A good debut. Their only really good album, though, imo.
I struggle slightly with the genre. Death doom, yeah, somewhat. Rather Progressive Death for a large part, I would say.

Written by Redel on 29.04.2020 at 23:26

A good debut. Their only really good album, though, imo.
I struggle slightly with the genre. Death doom, yeah, somewhat. Rather Progressive Death for a large part, I would say.

Did you go through their entire discography?
Then I should have warned you, because they're releasing their albums under two monikers - Supuration for the (progressive) death/doom stuff and the S.U.P. or SUP entity to experiment with industrial, avant-garde, gothic and alternative. The latter mixture has never really been my cup of coffee and your's neither, I assume.

However, I actually consider Cu3e to be their strongest album so far, but looking at the average MS ratings (and your 6/10) I realize that I'm quite alone with my opinion...

Written by Starvynth on 03.05.2020 at 20:04

However, I actually consider Cu3e to be their strongest album so far, but looking at the average MS ratings (and your 6/10) I realize that I'm quite alone with my opinion...

Well, I sure ain't on board with you on that one my fave of the three being Incubation, with The Cube after it

As for SUP, they released some correct stuff, but also some really, really great albums (I'm always pointing at Imago even if Chronophobia is usually considered their best). They sure ain't to everyone's taste, however

Written by Starvynth on 03.05.2020 at 20:04

Did you go through their entire discography?
Then I should have warned you, because they're releasing their albums under two monikers - Supuration for the (progressive) death/doom stuff and the S.U.P. or SUP entity to experiment with industrial, avant-garde, gothic and alternative. The latter mixture has never really been my cup of coffee and your's neither, I assume.

However, I actually consider Cu3e to be their strongest album so far, but looking at the average MS ratings (and your 6/10) I realize that I'm quite alone with my opinion...

I have so far spun The Cube, Anomaly, Chronophobia, Cu3e, Reveries.
Admittedly, that is not their entire disco, thus my conclusion that The Cube is their best album is possibly a bit early, but somehow I had the impression that there wont be any other album similar to the Cube or even better that I have missed so far (but I might be wrong).
As for Cu3e, no, not my cup of tea I guess, only some parts that I enjoyed.

Written by Darkside Momo on 03.05.2020 at 20:26

As for SUP, they released some correct stuff, but also some really, really great albums (I'm always pointing at Imago even if Chronophobia is usually considered their best). They sure ain't to everyone's taste, however

Hah, somehow I knew (and hoped!) that you would be there to interfere when it's due.

Don't get me wrong, there's also quite some stuff from SUP that I liked, I found at least one or two good songs on each of their albums. But Cu3e was my first encounter with your fellow countrymen's music and I totally fell in love with this particular album.
I had it in my car's stereo for at least two months, two times 30 minutes every day, never got tired of it. I love it as a whole.

You're right, Incubation is a good album as well, but somehow The Cube never clicked with me. Maybe it's because I tend to compare 90's doom/death with Lost Paradise, Gothic, Serenades and As The Flower Withers - an unfair battle where the Peaceville Three will always be victorious.

Written by Starvynth on 03.05.2020 at 23:22

Hah, somehow I knew (and hoped!) that you would be there to interfere when it's due.

Written by Starvynth on 03.05.2020 at 23:22

Don't get me wrong, there's also quite some stuff from SUP that I liked, I found at least one or two good songs on each of their albums. But Cu3e was my first encounter with your fellow countrymen's music and I totally fell in love with this particular album.
I had it in my car's stereo for at least two months, two times 30 minutes every day, never got tired of it. I love it as a whole.

You're right, Incubation is a good album as well, but somehow The Cube never clicked with me. Maybe it's because I tend to compare 90's doom/death with Lost Paradise, Gothic, Serenades and As The Flower Withers - an unfair battle where the Peaceville Three will always be victorious.

Well I wouldn't really compare Supuration to the Peaceville three, as their doomier side just really feels different, colder and a bit more sci-fi like (as the concept behind their albums, and SUP's evolution, really show). That said, they're huge fans of Paradise Lost (I don't know about the other two, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were!), and when their label back in the 90's asked for covers for a PL tribute album, they covered something from Gothic:

As for first contact, mine was with Chronophobia in, like, 2001 or so. Wasn't impressed at the time, but I chanced upon Incubation (2004) when Imago (2005) was released, and those two were instant love affairs. That's why I've been so disappointed with Cu3e, as it didn't grip as well as Incubation did.
BTW, I'm not surprised that you discovered them so "late", as Holy Records (their label for most of their career) have always been totally shitty as far as foreign promotion was concerned; seems they only cared about the French market... And that's a shame for a band like SUP (or for Stille Volk, or Orphaned Land's first two albums... oh well :/ )

Written by Darkside Momo on 04.05.2020 at 01:05

BTW, I'm not surprised that you discovered them so "late", as Holy Records (their label for most of their career) have always been totally shitty as far as foreign promotion was concerned; seems they only cared about the French market... And that's a shame for a band like SUP (or for Stille Volk, or Orphaned Land's first two albums... oh well :/ )

That's quite an interesting thought.
I still remember very well how easy it was in the early 90's to get your hands on "underground" CD's from France. You just went to your local recordstore and the shelves were stuffed with releases from all those new and fancy labels like Listenable, Adipocere, Osmose - and Holy as well. That's how I initially discovered by now well-known bands like Elend, Nightfall and Bethlehem, but also rather obscure stuff like Leiden, Misanthrope's Miracles: Totem Taboo, God Forsaken, Your Shapeless Beauty and the like.
But then and all over sudden, it must have been around 1996 when Season of Mist had come up, most smaller French labels, and in particular Holy, abruptly disappeared from the German market. As if Osmose and SoM and the German top dogs like Century Media and Nuclear Blast had literally wiped them from the map.

The strange thing is that you can still see the long-term effects, at least over here. Secondhand CD's from Holy's roster are extremely overpriced, regardless of the release year. Just today I've seen a copy of SUP's Imago on sale for 65,- ?.
Sixty-f#cken-five Euro - can you believe this? Totally crazy if you ask me.

However, you're totally right - Supuration and S.U.P. are still totally unknown here and I do insist on the mere fact that they would already be touring with Rammstein by now if a German label had signed them in the 90's.

Written by Starvynth on 05.05.2020 at 01:44

That's quite an interesting thought.
I still remember very well how easy it was in the early 90's to get your hands on "underground" CD's from France. You just went to your local recordstore and the shelves were stuffed with releases from all those new and fancy labels like Listenable, Adipocere, Osmose - and Holy as well. That's how I discovered by now well-known bands like Elend, Nightfall and Bethlehem, but also rather obscure stuff like Leiden, Misanthrope's Miracles: Totem Taboo, God Forsaken, Your Shapeless Beauty and the like.
But then and all over sudden, it must have been around 1996 when Season of Mist had come up, most smaller French labels, and in particular Holy, abruptly disappeared from the German market. As if Osmose and SoM and the German top dogs like Century Media and Nuclear Blast had literally wiped them from the map.

The strange thing is that you can still see the long-term effects, at least over here. Secondhand CD's from Holy's roster are extremely overpriced, regardless of the release year. Just today I've seen a copy of SUP's Imago on sale for 65,- �.
Sixty-f#cken-five Euro - can you believe this? Totally crazy if you ask me.

However, you're totally right - Supuration and S.U.P. are still totally unknown here and I do insist on the mere fact that they would already be touring with Rammstein by now if a German label had signed them in the 90's.

Oh, that's interesting, I didn't know about that first half of the 90's part, and I assumed it always been like what I described for some reason...
Funnily enough I think Holy endured the years better than Osmose - the latter signed some great bands early (Immortal, Dark Tranquillity, etc), but most of those quickly went away seeking bigger labels, while the Holy roster eveolved far less. Anyway, now Osmose still survives somehow, while Holy has been totally consumed by EMP

65? is indeed way too much (found an offer here in France for 24?), even considering the probably small total number of units.

As for SUP touring with Rammstein, I'm sure they could have done so... I'm less sure of Rammstein fans's reaction to SUP, however