Written by RavenKing on 13.08.2010 at 04:09

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 13.08.2010 at 03:50

Although I disagree that WTWWB sinks and stoops to the level of BYDTS. But it does get damn close.

It's really hard to make something worse than BYDTTS, honestly. This atrocity should never have been recorded.

Not really. They proved it was easy with The X Factor and Virtual XI, especially (say what you will, it's still under the Iron Maiden name).

Written by vezzy on 13.08.2010 at 13:42

Not really. They proved it was easy with The X Factor and Virtual XI, especially (say what you will, it's still under the Iron Maiden name).

Lots of stuff from the Blaze era is even worse than BYDTTS, indeed. It's just that I usually choose to simply ignore this period because I have nothing else to say about it than it was pure suckage.
I know it can be a matter of tastes but I will never be able to figure out how someone can like the atrocious garbage Maiden made at that time. Imagine how it was for someone like me, used to listen to "Powerslave", "Somewhere In Time" and SSOASS, to hear this abomination and compare it to what I was used to. And it's impossible not to compare both because the difference is so huge.

After listening to this whole album at least 10 times, being as open about it as possible, all I have to say to them is: "Please, just stop."

The blasphemous "A Matter of Life and Death" and now "The Final Frontier" are the biggest pieces of dogshit I could ever dream this Maiden could crank out. It is really just embarassing now. Remember, this is Maiden WITH Adrian Smith and Bruce Dickinson...not the X Factor / Virtual XI garbage with Bailey and no Smith (which understandbly sucked). Brave New World was decent, Dance of Death was good, but what the hell happened?

I can't wait to read the review of this.

This CD IS SOOOOOOOOO DAMN GOOD! IM SO HAPPY I GOT IT BEFORE ITS ACTUAL RELEASE UP THE FUCKING IRONS!

Sigh... I feel the opposite - the album has leaked, I listened to it and i was quite disapponited; here I thought No Prayer or Virtual XI were weak, well the new one is even more uninspired than those.

sorry to be a party pooper even before the album's release.

Written by Guest on 13.08.2010 at 17:03

It is really just embarassing now. Remember, this is Maiden WITH Adrian Smith and Bruce Dickinson...not the X Factor / Virtual XI garbage with Bailey and no Smith (which understandbly sucked).

I get your point. I mean, the difference between line-ups and that they should be able to create something good because it's the line-up they had in the 80s, apart from Gers. Let me tell you my deepest thoughts on the matter.

The chemistry that allowed Maiden to release great albums during the golden years was broken after SSOASS and led to Adrian's departure. This is when Maiden died. NPFTD sucked and Maiden have never been the same after SSOASS, only a shadow of their former self. And they will never be more than that. The chemistry, the magic, has been broken forever.

The comeback of Bruce and Adrian is just a case of "too little too late". Maiden took such a downward spiral after SSOASS, with each album being more awful than the last until they reached the very pit of mediocrity with Virtual crap, that it was simply impossible for them to recover. They had dropped too low in the abyss to ever have a chance to climb back up. The band is not suddenly finished now, with the new album. It was already finished two decades ago.

I think what prevents so many people to see it, when it is so clear for me, is some kind of nostalgia that blinds them. Perhaps it is so obvious for me simply because I have nothing of a sentimental or romantic person. Because I'm rather cold and pragmatic.

Wow. There is nothing like a congregation of ADHD cases thinking it is still 1986. Well said, morons.

"Brave New World was decent"

Because it sounded like it was made in 1988?

How is that perm working out for you?

"This band carries on only by name and because of its past."

Which is why they choose not to play classics and only new material at concerts, right? I guess we can also discard Dickinson's interview where he says they make new albums because they don't want to become a heritage act and bore people.

Your kind of stupid is not why I post here. I'm disappointed. Fuck off now.

"They're much less bad the 90s stuff but the new albums with Bruce are quite boring and lack any kind of energy. They sound only like a commercial product released only for the sake of money."

But at the same time, their albums are much longer and don't sound like 80's material. Doesn't sound commercial to me.

Take the Slipknot album out of your ass and work to become smarter.

"But it seems there's a convention among metalheads that "you can't speak against the holy Maiden" and only blasphemers/heretics like Marcel, VezzyRattlehead, me and a few others dare to break this convention."

That's because most stupid people do. I'll send you your copy of Debbie Gibson after I wipe my baby's ass with it.

Written by LordMaiden on 14.08.2010 at 01:58

Wow. There is nothing like a congregation of ADHD cases thinking it is still 1986. Well said, morons.

You know, with a username such as yours, It's really hard to take you seriously and think your opinions have any kind of credibility if Maiden is involved.
This band attracts fanboys the same way a turd does with flies.

N.B. I have nothing against those who like this band and can discuss it with civility but fanboys coming here all guns blazing deserve to be treated accordingly.

Dude, do you honestly think I come here to be treated nicely? I'm here to tell you what an insufferable idiot you are. If I get anything back but hostility, then this place needs some self-reflection.

Written by LordMaiden on 14.08.2010 at 02:17

Dude, do you honestly think I come here to be treated nicely? I'm here to tell you what an insufferable idiot you are. If I get anything back but hostility, then this place needs some self-reflection.

Thanks for making it obvious for all to see that you're only a troll with nothing intelligent to say and nothing to back up your affirmations.

Written by LordMaiden on 14.08.2010 at 02:05


Which is why they choose not to play classics and only new material at concerts, right?

No. It's because they're getting too old to play their more demanding songs.

Written by RavenKing on 14.08.2010 at 01:29
I think what prevents so many people to see it, when it is so clear for me, is some kind of nostalgia that blinds them. Perhaps it is so obvious for me simply because I have nothing of a sentimental or romantic person. Because I'm rather cold and pragmatic.

That is far too simplistic an explanation. I genuinely like quite a lot of the music Maiden made after 88'. Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. At least not for me. In fact, you could turn that on it's head, and say its exactly because of sentimentality and nostalgia which prevents some old school Maiden fans from liking anything aside from the 80's stuff. Like I stated in a previous post, I dont think there's a simple black and white answer to why some people can appreciate most of Maiden's discography, and other's cannot. Take Heinosity: He said he likes BNW, and DOD, but hates AMOLAD, the Blaze stuff, and the new album. Its all just opinions at the end of the day really.

@LordMaiden: Geez... could you not have said all that in one post? There's no need for the multiple posts...

And people are free to dislike Maiden, or portions of their career if they wish. Of course, there are some who do that for frivolous reasons, but that goes for blind fanboys as well. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Can anyone here at least provide a legit reason as to why The Final Frontier and Blaze suck so much?

Oh god, not another one... lol

Why does anyone need to provide a "legit" reason for not liking that album, or Blaze? Some people just dont like that album, or Blaze's stuff. Its just a difference of opinion, which they are entitled to.

Written by Angelic Storm on 14.08.2010 at 02:22

That is far too simplistic an explanation. I genuinely like quite a lot of the music Maiden made after 88'. Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. At least not for me. In fact, you could turn that on it's head, and say its exactly because of sentimentality and nostalgia which prevents some old school Maiden fans from liking anything aside from the 80's stuff.

It can be turned the other way around, indeed. In fact, I had exatly this thought when I wrote the post you quoted. But it is not a matter of nostalgia in my case (as to why I dislike post-SSOASS Maiden).


@LordMaiden : I enjoy reasonable discussions with people who have different opinions but I have no time for fanboys like you. You can choke in your own blood, for all I care.

Written by Angelic Storm on 14.08.2010 at 02:28

Oh god, not another one... lol

Why does anyone need to provide a "legit" reason for not liking that album, or Blaze? Some people just dont like that album, or Blaze's stuff. Its just a difference of opinion, which they are entitled to.

Exactly. People who dislike something don't need to justify themselves. We're not forced to like everything.

Written by Angelic Storm on 14.08.2010 at 02:28

Oh god, not another one... lol

Why does anyone need to provide a "legit" reason for not liking that album, or Blaze? Some people just dont like that album, or Blaze's stuff. Its just a difference of opinion, which they are entitled to.

I'm just saying that it is stupid to dislike something without providing reason. All I'm asking for is just a simple reason, that's all.

Written by RavenKing on 14.08.2010 at 02:28
It can be turned the other way around, indeed. In fact, I had exatly this thought when I wrote the post you quoted. But it is not a matter of nostalgia in my case (as to why I dislike post-SSOASS Maiden).

Yep. I wasnt meaning you specifically, or all Maiden fans who only like the 80's stuff. lol But Im sure for some at least, the nostalgia factor plays a part in that attitude.

Written by HallowedBeMyName on 14.08.2010 at 02:31
I'm just saying that it is stupid to dislike something without providing reason. All I'm asking for is just a simple reason, that's all.

It's not stupid. Because even if a reason is provided, if you dont agree with it, you'd likely call the reason "illigitemate". Everyone has reasons for liking/disliking certain albums/bands. But it's not really a thing that can be universally agreed upon. Therefore, asking for people to give "reasons" for disliking certain music is a pointless excercise.

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I'm just saying that it is stupid to dislike something without providing reason.

But it's apparently not stupid to like something without providing reason?

Written by Angelic Storm on 14.08.2010 at 02:39

Written by HallowedBeMyName on 14.08.2010 at 02:31
I'm just saying that it is stupid to dislike something without providing reason. All I'm asking for is just a simple reason, that's all.

It's not stupid. Because even if a reason is provided, if you dont agree with it, you'd likely call the reason "illigitemate". Everyone has reasons for liking/disliking certain albums/bands. But it's not really a thing that can be universally agreed upon. Therefore, asking for people to give "reasons" for disliking certain music is a pointless excercise.

Well, I'm one to respect others' opinions. As long as they say more than "This sucks!" With out adding anything to back their statements up.

Written by RavenKing on 14.08.2010 at 02:19

Written by LordMaiden on 14.08.2010 at 02:17

Dude, do you honestly think I come here to be treated nicely? I'm here to tell you what an insufferable idiot you are. If I get anything back but hostility, then this place needs some self-reflection.

Thanks for making it obvious for all to see that you're only a troll with nothing intelligent to say and nothing to back up your affirmations.

All I see here are idiotic statements from people who have an obvious short attention span for Maiden. To expect them to write songs like it is the 80's in 2010 doesn't inspire an intelligent discussion.

And if I'm such a Maiden fanboy, why wouldn't I be able to back up anything? That's like saying your 1995 Volvo is going to outperform my 2010 BMW.

Written by RavenKing on 14.08.2010 at 02:21

Written by LordMaiden on 14.08.2010 at 02:05


Which is why they choose not to play classics and only new material at concerts, right?

No. It's because they're getting too old to play their more demanding songs.

Hi, I'm 2008. Do you remember me? That was when Maiden flew around and played classics for sell-out crowds everywhere.

It is indeed sad that Iron Maiden's incredible 7 album '80s run comes back to bite them in the ass. Because they no longer write songs like they did back then, every album released since Bruce and Adrian returned has received some of the most laughable criticism ever. That being said, the comments I am seeing here are just hysterical.

The Final Frontier is a wonderful album.

End of story.

Written by RobotPolarBear on 14.08.2010 at 02:39

Quote:
I'm just saying that it is stupid to dislike something without providing reason.

But it's apparently not stupid to like something without providing reason?

You don't understand what is going on here. It starts with the initial "they suck". It's my job to tell you you're an idiot. Then the fun begins.