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Release date: 1995
Style: Gothic metal, Death doom metal

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Disc I
01. Enchantment
02. Hallowed Land
03. The Last Time
04. Forever Failure
05. Once Solemn
06. Shadowkings
07. Elusive Cure
08. Yearn For Change
09. Shades Of God
10. Hands Of Reason
11. I See Your Face
12. Jaded
13. Walk Away [The Sisters Of Mercy cover] [bonus]
14. Laid to Waste [bonus]
15. Master of Misrule [bonus]
16. How Soon Is Now [2002 Re-release bonus]
17. Fear [2002 Re-release bonus]

Disc II Limited Edition Commemorative Tour Pack
01. Embers Fire [live]
02. Daylight Torn [live]
03. True Belief [live]
04. Pity The Sadness [live]
05. As I Die [live]
06. Weeping Words [demo]
07. The Last Time [demo]
08. Walk Away [The Sisters Of Mercy cover]
09. Laid To Waste
10. Master Of Misrule
11. Forever Failure [Video edit version]

Draconian Times (2011 Legacy Edition)
Disc I
01. Enchantment
02. Hallowed Land
03. The Last Time
04. Forever Failure
05. Once Solemn
06. Shadowkings
07. Elusive Cure
08. Yearn For Change
09. Shades Of God
10. Hands Of Reason
11. I See Your Face
12. Jaded
13. Enchantment [demo] [bonus]
14. Last Desire [demo] [bonus]
15. Forever Failure [bonus]
16. Shadowkings [bonus]
17. Once Solemn [bonus]
18. Hallowed Land [bonus]
19. The Last Time [bonus]

Disc II DVD
01. ''Draconian Times'' in 5.1 Mix
+ Forever Failure [video]
+ The Last Time [video]
+ Hallowed Land [video]
+ 16 pages booklet including liner notes from the band and exclusive new artwork [Regular jewel case version]
+ 36 pages booklet including liner notes from the band and exclusive new artwork [A5 digibook version]

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Top 200 albums of all time: 112

Review
Lyrics (15)


Line-up
Nick Holmes - vocals
Gregor Mackintosh - guitars
Aaron Aedy - guitars
Lee Morris - drums
Stephen Edmondson - bass

Session musicians
Andrew Holdsworth - keyboards


Additional info
Label: Music for Nations

Recorded at Great Linford Manor and Ridge Farm Studios.
Produced by Simon Efemey.
Engineered by Pete "Pee Wee" Coleman.
Assisted by Andy Griffin, Phil Wood and Phil Luff.
Mixed by Simon Efemey and Pete "Pee Wee" Coleman.
Mastered by Kevin Metealfe at Townhouse Studios, London.

Choir arrangements by the Guildford Dead Boys Choir.

Spoken dialogue on "Forever Failure" from "Charles Manson - The Man Who Killed The Sixties" produced by Box Productions for Channel Four Television Corporation.

2011 re-mastering and the 5.1 mix on the audio tracks by Jens Bogren at Fascination Street Studios, Örebro, Sweden for Northern Music Co. Ltd.

Guest review by
Gorey

Rating:
10
For a few years, the "happy folks" of Paradise Lost were used to making excellent albums such as Shades Of God or Icon, but nothing could really prepare us to this nuclear bomb, Draconian Times. This album, released in 1995, is, more than a confirmation, a real coup d?etat in the metal world: every listening, every note is a perpetual rediscovery. Tracks like 'Hallowed Land', 'Elusive Cure' or 'Forever Failure' exhale such beauty that there are no exact words to describe the emotion they make us feel.

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published 02.09.2003 | Comments (17)

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musicalkaratekid - 02.10.2011 at 23:45  
  Absolutely epic album, i really cannot find fault with this at all,except for the slightly weaker tracks that are 'Yearn for Change' and 'I see your face',but even they aren't short of impressive.I really cannot wait to see Paradise lost at BOA 2012\m/
Milena - 26.03.2012 at 23:03  
Rating: 9
Written by Mr. Doctor on 26.03.2012 at 23:00

Draconian Times is where it's at.

So Roddy claims this is a good album for sexy times. Yay or nay, peeps?
!J.O.O.E.! - 26.03.2012 at 23:05  
Rating: 7
Written by Milena on 26.03.2012 at 23:03

So Roddy claims this is a good album for sexy times. Yay or nay, peeps?

I dunno, I wouldn't get jiggy to this myself. Akercocke are my shag band of choice.
Mr. Doctor - 26.03.2012 at 23:06  
Rating: 8
Written by Milena on 26.03.2012 at 23:03

Written by Mr. Doctor on 26.03.2012 at 23:00

Draconian Times is where it's at.

So Roddy claims this is a good album for sexy times. Yay or nay, peeps?


Well, it's definitely their most "sexy" out of the metal albums they have released if you ask me. I could have said One Second or Host but they aren't metal so they couldn't take part of the discussion we had on the other thread.
Milena - 26.03.2012 at 23:06  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 26.03.2012 at 23:05

I dunno, I wouldn't get jiggy to this myself. Akercocke are my shag band of choice.

Like I said in the Akercocke thread, the moment I saw it I figured someone is naming a band after Akerfeldt's cock.
Mr. Doctor - 26.03.2012 at 23:09  
Rating: 8
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 26.03.2012 at 23:05

Written by Milena on 26.03.2012 at 23:03

So Roddy claims this is a good album for sexy times. Yay or nay, peeps?
I dunno, I wouldn't get jiggy to this myself.

Me neither but I'll bet it does the job far better than Gothic.

Written by Milena on 26.03.2012 at 23:06
Like I said in the Akercocke thread, the moment I saw it I figured someone is naming a band after Akerfeldt's cock.

As far as I'm concerned, the meaning of their name is older than Opeth's frontman.... But Joe is right though. Their music is fucking hawt.
Milena - 26.03.2012 at 23:12  
Rating: 9
Written by Mr. Doctor on 26.03.2012 at 23:09

As far as I'm concerned, the meaning of their name is older than Opeth's frontman...

I'll channel my crazy Brit Civ teacher and write:
(This was a joke).



(that is written in his textbook every time he makes a lame pun. Also: "This was a digression" when he wanders off).
Mr. Doctor - 26.03.2012 at 23:13  
Rating: 8
Written by Milena on 26.03.2012 at 23:12

I'll channel my crazy Brit Civ teacher and write:
(This was a joke).


I know it was a joke, honey... It didn't stop me from giving some trivia though. It's apparently some kind of demon monkey from the Faust mithos.
Milena - 26.03.2012 at 23:17  
Rating: 9
Written by Mr. Doctor on 26.03.2012 at 23:13

I know it was a joke, honey... It didn't stop me from giving some trivia though. It's apparently some kind of demon monkey from the Faust mithos.

You didn't give trivia, you just teased with possible trivia

Anyway, Gothic might be a bit more... evil?
Mr. Doctor - 26.03.2012 at 23:19  
Rating: 8
Written by Milena on 26.03.2012 at 23:17
Anyway, Gothic might be a bit more... evil?


Well, not only that... I simply don't like it that much. Quite overrated
If I wanted to get it on with an "evil" PL album I would pick just pick their debut.
Milena - 26.03.2012 at 23:22  
Rating: 9
Written by Mr. Doctor on 26.03.2012 at 23:19

Well, not only that... I simply don't like it that much. Quite overrated
If I wanted to get it on with an "evil" PL album I would pick just pick their debut.

Oh well. I pretty much prefer this one and Icon to their first two and everything else after, but the first two can be quite nice. I've never listened to anything in the genre so the novelty factor is there for me, though it will probably fade if I ever get further into it.
Mr. Doctor - 26.03.2012 at 23:25  
Rating: 8
Written by Milena on 26.03.2012 at 23:22
I've never listened to anything in the genre so the novelty factor is there for me, though it will probably fade if I ever get further into it.


What do you mean with this? That their albums would sound less good by getting into the genre?
Milena - 26.03.2012 at 23:27  
Rating: 9
Written by Mr. Doctor on 26.03.2012 at 23:25

What do you mean with this? That their albums would sound less good by getting into the genre?

Not less good, but less peculiar.
Mr. Doctor - 26.03.2012 at 23:31  
Rating: 8
Written by Milena on 26.03.2012 at 23:27

Written by Mr. Doctor on 26.03.2012 at 23:25

What do you mean with this? That their albums would sound less good by getting into the genre?
Not less good, but less peculiar.


To be honest... I highly doubt it. Take this word from someone who is neck-deep in the genres this band has played in their first couple of albums: The band is well known for a reason. I've heard my share of things and I'm yet to listen to a death/doom album that has the evilness, madness and overall sound of their debut, or a death/doom/gothic album like their second one (although I don't like it that much).

I could go on with the later three (Shades Of God being a very unusual take on doom with the thrash elements thrown in the mix) but I think you get the point... I'm yet to hear stuff like these guys has done without being a carbon-copy. While I don't get as surprised as before (doesn't that happen with every genre?), they haven't lost their "different than the rest" vibe at all.

That's why you can see their legacy in many bands nowdays. Specially Gregor Mackintosh's guitar style. Which has always being their trademark ever since the beginning.
Milena - 26.03.2012 at 23:42  
Rating: 9
Written by Mr. Doctor on 26.03.2012 at 23:31

Take this word from someone who is neck-deep in the genres this band has played in their first couple of albums: The band is well known for a reason.

That actually sounds fairly logical, I could write the same thing about Images And Words
Mr. Doctor - 26.03.2012 at 23:46  
Rating: 8
Written by Milena on 26.03.2012 at 23:42

That actually sounds fairly logical, I could write the same thing about Images And Words


...and I suppose you don't think that album is less peculiar after all these years, uh?

To me, real masterpieces are never 100% obvious... They get there with some time after listening to many other albums and finally realise that the sound of that first album you heard was pretty unique.

I gave PL's debut a 7 at first.... now it has just getting better the more I listen to it but specially the more I listen to everything else, that's why nowdays I have it as a 9.
Milena - 26.03.2012 at 23:54  
Rating: 9
Written by Mr. Doctor on 26.03.2012 at 23:46

and I suppose you don't think that album is less peculiar after all these years, uh?

No, it isn't. I've played it a lot but there's always something that hits me in it, something that says that no one will ever be better than this. Even if there are albums I'm more attached to, this is so monumental and significant that it gets to me every time.

Releases like those are proof how much people's tastes insanely differ; the worth of such albums is proven by the fact that not a lot of people that hear them actually dislike them, and yet, I can approach Paradise Lost's early albums, listen to them for a while and say "hmm, cool groove" and forget about them for a couple of months, while you'll listen to Images And Words, say "nice melody there" and probably won't return to it again. But we're a part of the army madly in love with the opposing release.
Mr. Doctor - 26.03.2012 at 23:59  
Rating: 8
Written by Milena on 26.03.2012 at 23:54
But we're a part of the army madly in love with the opposing release.


Heh, yeah... the difference now is that PL is kind of comming back to the quality it used to have (their last one was pretty much right in between Icon and Draconian Times both in sound and quality).

While poor DT is going... well, yeah. (Heheheh Yes, I wanted to go there).
Milena - 27.03.2012 at 00:05  
Rating: 9
Written by Mr. Doctor on 26.03.2012 at 23:59

While poor DT is going... well, yeah. (Heheheh Yes, I wanted to go there).

Oh God don't remind me. :/

I've listened to pretty much only DT during the past week, as I always do when I'm down, and the difference between the old and new, or even the mid and new is... it's not the same people anymore. It's sad. Like I posted in the album thread, I hope for a return to form, but I shouldn't dare to hope for anything anymore.

Cheers to Paradise Lost though!
Hughes - 23.04.2012 at 14:23  
  I bought this album when it came out i never was able to get into it and not sure i ever will haha, but i do know is one of those trademark albums in Metal History
Cuca Beludo - 04.07.2012 at 02:37  
  I liked tragic idol more than this one
Bad English - 13.09.2012 at 21:48  
  Im happy this album exist quate interestimg see Nick singing in clean vox, lil easyer understand , also music is good, last good album after this band totaly died , even new albums its like band has been brimg beck to life via quajda bord , not bad , but not same I cant forgiv to band when they start play disco crap, but about this album, it was expermental, in good menaing but maybe it was reason why band change a style?
Bad English - 13.09.2012 at 22:23  
 
Written by Guest on 13.09.2012 at 22:10

Written by Bad English on 13.09.2012 at 21:48

Im happy this album exist quate interestimg see Nick singing in clean vox, lil easyer understand , also music is good, last good album after this band totaly died , even new albums its like band has been brimg beck to life via quajda bord , not bad , but not same I cant forgiv to band when they start play disco crap, but about this album, it was expermental, in good menaing but maybe it was reason why band change a style?

What's this sudden PL posting? Before you started this royal rumble I think you already had stated that the first five Paradise Lost albums are the shit. And now you find Nick singing clean interesting?


Because Im listenining band at way to school album by album in mp3 player and I need to talk, life is boring
Bad English - 13.09.2012 at 22:42  
  When you move a rams whit a bord where are letters and aks spirits what was their name etc
Ozman - 13.09.2012 at 22:47  
Rating: 7 That is a Ouija board NOT a Quajda board. Simple Oui means yes as well as ja means yes
Bad English - 13.09.2012 at 22:49  
  Marcel when I was watchimh hauintimg and such programs when they pronauce name it sounds weird... its hear to hear spelling I never have interested on it , never have read correct name and never search it online ...... hhahahah when I will die somebody use this bord to call me, my spelling will piss them off whyle they try to figure out what Im try to say hahahhaha
Cuca Beludo - 19.11.2012 at 16:22  
  Initially I rated this album with an 7, I was immensely wrong.

Every song has its own and distinct melody, combined with an haunting atmosphere, making it a excellent journey from the very first second 'till the last song. Definitely a masterpiece of heavy music.
Sznc - 28.04.2013 at 20:52  
  After multiple listens, i still cannot fathom why people on MS praise this p-o-c so much. This is neither gothic or death/doom, but straight forward heavy metal, a very bland and bad kind. Fast and rather aggressive instrument works that show little to no melody nor progression, leaving no place for atmosphere whatsoever. Extremely similar songs, none could really stand out from the rest or just not being boring for that matter. The vocal is ABSOLUTELY hollow with no emotions, and just to make things worse, it really contradicts with the music and becomes annoying really fast. A joke of music.
Erik M. - 07.05.2013 at 23:47  
Rating: 7 This album is, in my opinion, ridiculously overrated. While it's still very good, it's nowhere near the masterpiece it's made out to be. Honestly, I think their first three albums are all better than this.
Mr. Doctor - 08.05.2013 at 01:17  
Rating: 8 Better than Gothic, that's for damn sure for me. I still prefer their debut over anything else but this is just as good as Shades Of God (completely different music though).
NocturnalStalker - 24.05.2013 at 16:44  
Rating: 8 This album, I think, was one of the albums that defined the gothic metal genre. It has plenty of nice songs but I still prefer to listen to "Gothic", "Shades of God" or "Icon".
theembryo - 26.06.2013 at 09:05  
Rating: 10 The only thing better than this release is when they play it live.
Ozman - 26.06.2013 at 11:46  
Rating: 7
Written by theembryo on 26.06.2013 at 09:05

The only thing better than this release is when they play it live.



when they played the entire album live it was terrible. The band made huge mistakes in every single song. I love tha album but the live rendition o it two years ago was just totally terrible.
theembryo - 27.06.2013 at 04:58  
Rating: 10 Damn it - Seems I must give a better listen - I thought the 'offical release of the April gig in UK was quite great!
Ozman - 27.06.2013 at 13:08  
Rating: 7
Written by theembryo on 27.06.2013 at 04:58

Damn it - Seems I must give a better listen - I thought the 'offical release of the April gig in UK was quite great!


I know people who went to that gig and said it was terrible. They saw the dvd and it was immediately clear that the sound on that dvd had been doctored with. All the mistakes which were there at the Original gig were nowhere to be found and all of a sudden Nick also sounded great. So, clearly a case of overdubbing (which is actually done to almost ALL live dvd's tbh.)
theembryo - 29.06.2013 at 06:05  
Rating: 10
Written by Ozman on 27.06.2013 at 13:08

I know people who went to that gig and said it was terrible. They saw the dvd and it was immediately clear that the sound on that dvd had been doctored with. All the mistakes which were there at the Original gig were nowhere to be found and all of a sudden Nick also sounded great. So, clearly a case of overdubbing (which is actually done to almost ALL live dvd's tbh.)


Ahh.... indeed then. Yes, listening to a production can be (usually is) quite different than the actual experience. Thanks for the comments Marcel!
Dentura - 14.11.2013 at 21:48  
Rating: 8 Excellent, Im getting more stuff from this band as we speak, and this album is fucking great. Paradise Lost rules.
LeKiwi - 21.12.2013 at 22:58  
Rating: 7 Started off strong then mutated into this pop-like....I have no idea... I've always loved "Shades Of God" though.
deadone - 22.12.2013 at 04:59  
Rating: 9 What kind of "pop" are you listening to?
Mr. Doctor - 22.12.2013 at 14:37  
Rating: 8 Gotta wonder the same thing... Don't hear a trace of pop at all. Simply (great) goth(ic) metal/rock with some psychedelic moments here and there. Great shit.
Ozman - 22.12.2013 at 14:52  
Rating: 7 The pop popped up on the album after this one
Erik M. - 03.01.2014 at 18:25  
Rating: 7
Written by LeKiwi on 21.12.2013 at 22:58

Started off strong then mutated into this pop-like....I have no idea... I've always loved "Shades Of God" though.


Well, what do you know... I totally agree with you.

Shades of God is easily my favourite album by PL as well. Draconian Times and Icon are pretty poppy if you ask me. Extremely accessible stuff. Just when some of these songs start to get interesting they're already over.

The genre-tag here is hilarious... "death doom metal"?
Mr. Doctor - 03.01.2014 at 18:47  
Rating: 8 Oh... I guess you are the kind of guys who use the term "pop" for something accessible. Huh.
!J.O.O.E.! - 03.01.2014 at 19:08  
Rating: 7
Written by Mr. Doctor on 03.01.2014 at 18:47

Oh... I guess you are the kind of guys who use the term "pop" for something accessible. Huh.

Yeah, pop to me is something sugary sweet and overly melodic. This album may be easily listenable but it's far from pop. If this is pop then what's flower metal?
Troy Killjoy - 03.01.2014 at 19:45  
  Is this already one of the rules of being a Metal Stormer? If not it should be. Something like: "1. Anything you find accessible must be referred to as pop music because it makes your taste in music look more sophisticated than your peers."
HellriderRising - 15.01.2014 at 01:08  
Rating: 10 No words can describe this masterpiece. Total respect.
LordHypnos - 22.01.2014 at 01:33  
Rating: 9 Is this album really Doom Metal? Once Solemn sounds very positive to me (I'm not saying that it's bad).
deadone - 22.01.2014 at 01:47  
Rating: 9 I thought it was Gothic Metal?

Certainly no Death Doom - the vocals are Hetfield-esque at their heaviest and certainly not Death growls.
Unhealer - 22.01.2014 at 02:06  
Rating: 9
Written by LordHypnos on 22.01.2014 at 01:33

Is this album really Doom Metal? Once Solemn sounds very positive to me (I'm not saying that it's bad).


Not doom nor death, plain gothic metal. There are still hints of doom but I wouldn't tag this as such.
deadone - 08.05.2014 at 09:40  
Rating: 9 This album is pure bliss. Nearly every song is memorable and well written. Sound is great.

Really it's nearly perfect.

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