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Release date: 1985
Style: First wave of black metal, Avantgarde metal, Thrash metal

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01. Innocence And Wrath
02. The Usurper
03. Jewel Throne
04. Dawn Of Meggido
05. Eternal Summer
06. Circle Of The Tyrants
07. (Beyond The) North Winds
08. Fainted Eyes
09. Tears In A Prophet's Dream
10. Necromantical Screams
11. Return To The Eve [1999 re-release bonus]

Top 20 albums of 1985: 13

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saw_you_drown 50 Classic Metal Albums Of Forever  | #34
Lit. Bibliophilia: Metal For Bookworms  | #12
Vasil de Shumen Top 200 Metal Masterpieces of All Time  | #186
Karlabos Black Metal Cover Arts Which I Think Are Stunning And Interesting  | #17
Apothecary Quadruple A: Apothecary's Album Art Anthology  | #8
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!J.O.O.E.! - 25.04.2014 at 17:47  
Rating: 6
Written by RavenEffect on 25.04.2014 at 17:46

Yep, that's the post I was looking from you. Well played.

Don't know what you mean, sorry.
Alex Fenger - 25.04.2014 at 17:59  
Rating: 6
Written by deadone on 25.04.2014 at 08:07

I'm not surprised people like yourself and IJOOE don't like it. You don't like old stuff (as in recorded pre-1990) much anyhow. That's where the guts of this discussion is.
Even if the song writing, quality of composition and quality of performance was superior, you'd guys still hate/dislike it due to it's 1980s production values or 1980s stylistic values.

That's just about the stupidest argument you could make. Age has nothing to do with quality of music (unless it comes to originality, however originality does not dictate quality either...). Joe loves plenty of pre-1990 music (as do I), however that is irrelevant. You say "even if the song writing, etc... was superior" as if that can even remotely be objective. It can't, and that's where I think your logic fails. You can't recognize that others will have personal opinions, and you attack their character and/or validity to prove that your opinion carries more merit in certain topics (ergo pre-1990 stuff).
To Mega Therion is a vastly overrated album IN MY OPINION (which should not even have to be stated), despite the massive influence it has had on countless bands.
Timelord - 26.04.2014 at 05:14  
Rating: 9
Written by Lit. on 25.04.2014 at 04:46

There's a difference between calling a band overrated and thinking said album is bad (which I'm doing) and denying it had a legacy and influenced a number of bands (which I'm not doing).

I don't like Hellhammer, Venom, Celtic Frost, Kreator, whatever and think they're overrated in terms of music quality (except for Monotheist obviously), but in terms of the legacy they left in the metal community, that's a whole other boat and something I'm not stupid enough to argue against. As Vombatus said: Celtic Frost were never totally 100% well-regarded by the metal community in the first place (except by the so-or-so bands that covered their songs and did what they did but better), and still aren't totally so (as evident by the line of 6s following my comment). Simply put: While Monotheist isn't as influencial to To Mega Therion or Morbid Tales, it's still the superior album quality-wise. So deadone can take his know-nothing-know-it-all syndrome and shove it where the North Winds don't blow.



Theres that 'overrated" cliche once again. Its not your cup of tea and that's quite alright. This is not pointing to anybody in particular just to be clear. People who were not around at the time of ANY album considered to be a seminal album in whatever genre generally just do not realize the impact of said album upon initial release. There was almost NOTHING you could compare the first few Celtic Frost to at that time. So what if they were not some technically complex prodigies. They kick started two genres at the least. Only five years after 'Circle of the Tyrants" was first released Obituary was covering the song on 1990's 'Cause of Death". Its not in any way "overrated" when after all these years later CF are STILL influencing younger musicians due in large part to very well known and respected bands citing the impact and influence CF had on the whole scene(Dave Grohl who doesn't even play metal had Tom G on his Probot project). You can't tell me the quality of the music is any worse than all those early black metal albums. Nothing to compare CF to when your among the first handful of bands taking things up two notches than has been done before. If people simply don't like it and that's ok. To each their own. I am not asking anybody to. I love music and give credit where due even if I do not like it.
deadone - 26.04.2014 at 06:40  
Rating: 7
Written by Alex Fenger on 25.04.2014 at 17:59

Joe loves plenty of pre-1990 music (as do I), however that is irrelevant. You say "even if the song writing, etc... was superior" as if that can even remotely be objective. It can't, and that's where I think your logic fails. You can't recognize that others will have personal opinions, and you attack their character and/or validity to prove that your opinion carries more merit in certain topics (ergo pre-1990 stuff).
To Mega Therion is a vastly overrated album IN MY OPINION (which should not even have to be stated), despite the massive influence it has had on countless bands.



All I see from IJOOE and his buddy Lit is old stuff sucks.

We're allowed to have opinions. I get sick of these hipster kids bagging out mine for not liking Deathspell Shitega o whatever reThrash band is aping Exodus or whatever. So it's nice to give some back.
Marcel Hubregtse - 26.04.2014 at 14:50  
Rating: 7 FFS learn to read.. For JOOE old stuff does NOT suck, just SOME old stuff sucks.

I would say hellhammer/Celtic Frost/Venom suck donkey ballsdespite their influence. And yes I was around when all their debuts hit and NO at the time they didn't have any impact at all. Only a couple of years later did they start to influence bands. hell celtic frost/hellhammer were a huge laughing stock at the time. 99.9% of all metallers really did not take them seriously at all. My finest moment was seeing Celtic Frost being booed off the stage in 1987
Alex Fenger - 26.04.2014 at 15:53  
Rating: 6
Written by deadone on 26.04.2014 at 06:40

All I see from IJOOE and his buddy Lit is old stuff sucks.

We're allowed to have opinions. I get sick of these hipster kids bagging out mine for not liking Deathspell Shitega o whatever reThrash band is aping Exodus or whatever. So it's nice to give some back.

Just read what Marcel posted for a response to this. If we really did offend you this much with the Deathspell Omega thread then I'm sorry, but you, more than anyone else on this website, need to learn to respect other people's opinions.
Lit. - 26.04.2014 at 18:52  
 
Written by deadone on 26.04.2014 at 06:40

We're allowed to have opinions. I get sick of these hipster kids bagging out mine for not liking Deathspell Shitega o whatever reThrash band is aping Exodus or whatever. So it's nice to give some back.

So you hate bands just because we hate bands you like, and so you decide to bash bands and albums that are actually good and sometimes new just because you have a petty need to get even and crave attention?

How utterly, utterly expected.
Vombatus - 26.04.2014 at 21:56  
  Well well, after all this nice little debate, I think it's safe to assume that Celtic Frost is great and not overrated.

Still Into The Pandemonium and Morbid Tales are much better (and their best), though this one is very good stuff too.
!J.O.O.E.! - 26.04.2014 at 22:45  
Rating: 6
Written by Lit. on 26.04.2014 at 18:52

So you hate bands just because we hate bands you like, and so you decide to bash bands and albums that are actually good and sometimes new just because you have a petty need to get even and crave attention?

How utterly, utterly expected.

So petty in fact he gave us a nice mention on his profile page
mz - 26.04.2014 at 23:00  
  Please, stop this madness.
Karlabos - 26.04.2014 at 23:05  
  Madness? This is Sparta!!
Okay I stopped
Lit. - 26.04.2014 at 23:14  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 26.04.2014 at 22:45

So petty in fact he gave us a nice mention on his profile page



Why he so mean to me, man? I was minding my damn business saying this album is overrated and Monotheist is better and he be getting all petty and insulting me and why don't he like me man? I ain't done nothing wrong.
mz - 26.04.2014 at 23:24  
  To be honest, I think that calling an influential band/album overrated is not fair and thus, I agree with deadone in this sense. On the other hand, attacking other people and accusing them to go crazy about something not based on the actual music is not only false, but also disrespectful. I, for one, consider myself as someone with more interest in the modern metal rather than classic era metal. Most of old albums I've heard do not do much for me but this does not mean that I dislike those albums just because they are old. For instance, old sounding death metal is appeasing me a lot lately. On the other hand, I really love classic era prog rock and prefer it over modern incarnations.
People have more profound reason to like/dislike sth than just the time the album was recorded.
PS: I have not heard this album yet.
Alex Fenger - 26.04.2014 at 23:25  
Rating: 6 As much as I love pointing out the fallacies in Deadone's logic, we do desperately need to steer this thread back on the topic of To Mega Therion.
!J.O.O.E.! - 26.04.2014 at 23:36  
Rating: 6 The album art's nice. Good old Giger.

(I'm sure this'll all get deleted at some point anyway).
Boxcar Willy - 27.04.2014 at 00:21  
  This was fun.
deadone - 27.04.2014 at 02:44  
Rating: 7
Written by Alex Fenger on 26.04.2014 at 15:53


Just read what Marcel posted for a response to this. If we really did offend you this much with the Deathspell Omega thread then I'm sorry, but you, more than anyone else on this website, need to learn to respect other people's opinions.


I respect most people's opinions(a certain duo who also don't have respect for anyone else's opinions are an obvious exception).

As for To Mega Therion, I prefer Morbid Tales but still love tracks ala Usurper, Dawn of Meggido and Circle of the Tyrant. To Mega Terion has the advantage of not having Danse Macabre on it.
deadone - 27.04.2014 at 04:09  
Rating: 7
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.04.2014 at 14:50

FFS learn to read.. For JOOE old stuff does NOT suck, just SOME old stuff sucks.


Having never seen JOOE ever mention one positive thing about old stuff, only negative stuff, you can understand my skepticism.

Quote:
I would say hellhammer/Celtic Frost/Venom suck donkey ballsdespite their influence. And yes I was around when all their debuts hit and NO at the time they didn't have any impact at all. Only a couple of years later did they start to influence bands.



Given only limited ability to distribute and promote underground metal back then (no Internet, limited access to mainstream/international distribution), how many bands did have an immediate impact?

Even tape trading would've taken time to proliferate.

The impression I get is that most Metal bands of the time spent a few years on small club circuit before getting anywhere.


Quote:
hell celtic frost/hellhammer were a huge laughing stock at the time. 99.9% of all metallers really did not take them seriously at all.


Then why all the supposed shock at Cold Lake? After all if a band is a laughing stock and not respected by 99.9% of fans, why would have Cold Lake had developed such a reputation as a sell out band? Yet Cold Lake has persisted as one of Metal's greatest sell outs.

Was the "shock" only years after the release?"


Quote:
My finest moment was seeing Celtic Frost being booed off the stage in 1987


Wow and that was pre-Cold Lake!
Diverge - 27.04.2014 at 06:03  
 
Written by mz on 26.04.2014 at 23:00

Please, stop this madness.

I couldn't agree with you more, buddy.
!J.O.O.E.! - 27.04.2014 at 12:13  
Rating: 6
Written by deadone on 27.04.2014 at 04:09

Having never seen JOOE ever mention one positive thing about old stuff, only negative stuff, you can understand my skepticism.


Wow, not only do you know my own tastes better than I do, you must have read all 12688 of my comments on the 9 years I've spent on the site, all in the 6 months you've spent here. I bow to you sir, you are a true paragon of logical and balanced thought.
Mr. Doctor - 27.04.2014 at 12:56  
Rating: 8
Written by deadone on 27.04.2014 at 04:09

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.04.2014 at 14:50

FFS learn to read.. For JOOE old stuff does NOT suck, just SOME old stuff sucks.

Having never seen JOOE ever mention one positive thing about old stuff, only negative stuff, you can understand my skepticism.


Oh, look what I found here. Previous page, on this very thread.

Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 25.04.2014 at 12:56
Let's ignore the fact I enjoy the likes of Bathory, Mercyful Fate, Sabbat (both UK and JPN, in fact), Tormentor, Possessed and so on, because that wouldn't fit into your neat little package of how well you know people and their taste. It saves you having to deal with the possibility that someone could dislike Celtic Frost / x band because of the way Celtic Frost / x band sound, not the era they come from.

Seriously, follow Marcel's advice and read properly.
deadone - 27.04.2014 at 13:22  
Rating: 7
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 27.04.2014 at 12:13

Written by deadone on 27.04.2014 at 04:09

Having never seen JOOE ever mention one positive thing about old stuff, only negative stuff, you can understand my skepticism.


Wow, not only do you know my own tastes better than I do, you must have read all 12688 of my comments on the 9 years I've spent on the site, all in the 6 months you've spent here. I bow to you sir, you are a true paragon of logical and balanced thought.



In 6 months I've been here, I've mainly seen you sledge old stuff and old school bands. I think the only positive post was about Bathory. Your buddy Lit has just sledged old stuff regardless.


Oh and name dropping 6 bands out of thousands in a single decade - whoppee do.


In the end you don't like Celtic Frost and that's your prerogative.

EDIT: Consider this my last response. To make life easier, I'll add you to ignore list and you feel free to do the same. No point arguing/discusing with someone you wouldn't even piss on if they were on fire.
!J.O.O.E.! - 27.04.2014 at 13:32  
Rating: 6
Written by deadone on 27.04.2014 at 13:22

In 6 months I've been here, I've mainly seen you sledge old stuff and old school bands. I think the only positive post was about Bathory.

Oh and name dropping 6 bands out of thousands in a single decade - whopee do.

I'm sorry I don't hark on about bands from the 80s in every post I make. I guess in the 9 years I've been here I've spoken about them enough. And please don't pretend you would even be happy if I gave 50 examples. We already did this, and you accused me of liking hipster-y, underground, obscure bands purely on the basis of me not liking a few archetypal bands like Iron Maiden and Metallica. You've created a visage of me in your mind that you absolutely refuse to break, despite all the evidence and testimony from others. One that suits your modus operandi when it comes to my opinions, because it's easier for you to make me into a straw-man instead of actually taking onboard what I say at face value, preferring the ignorant approach. Alex is correct; you don't respect other's opinions.

Anyway, I don't really want to get banned because of your personality shortcomings, so this will most definitely be the last I say on the matter here.
Mr. Doctor - 27.04.2014 at 14:48  
Rating: 8 Hi, [Insert staff member username here]! I'm going to stir this a bit ontopic now that this is finally over (the decision of ignoring was the smartest thing he's done yet). So you can just delete everything before this post!

I really dig this album. Would probably give it a solid 7,5. It won't get higher but definitely not lower. Some songs are easily of my favorites from the 80s. I've been listening to a lot of Celtic Frost lately since I got a bit hooked after the Triptykon set at Roadburn. I went apeshit when they played Circle Of The Tyrants. I don't consider them overrated in terms of legacy but the music doesn't WOW me that much in the end. Oh, and THAT artwork though. But everybody knows that.
Uldreth - 27.04.2014 at 14:59  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 26.04.2014 at 22:45

Written by Lit. on 26.04.2014 at 18:52

So you hate bands just because we hate bands you like, and so you decide to bash bands and albums that are actually good and sometimes new just because you have a petty need to get even and crave attention?

How utterly, utterly expected.

So petty in fact he gave us a nice mention on his profile page

To be fair, this stuff here reminds me of a certain person who had written a certain Enslaved review hahah. Though I think he did not refer to anyone on his profile at least.
Diverge - 27.04.2014 at 20:35  
 
Written by Uldreth on 27.04.2014 at 14:59

Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 26.04.2014 at 22:45

Written by Lit. on 26.04.2014 at 18:52

So you hate bands just because we hate bands you like, and so you decide to bash bands and albums that are actually good and sometimes new just because you have a petty need to get even and crave attention?

How utterly, utterly expected.

So petty in fact he gave us a nice mention on his profile page

To be fair, this stuff here reminds me of a certain person who had written a certain Enslaved review hahah. Though I think he did not refer to anyone on his profile at least.

Haha I agree. This reminds me more of Vonpire than anyone else, though, because deadone was (at times) equally incoherent. I don't get the album reference deadone had made on his profile or how Lit translated to Angry Little Man and how !J.O.O.E.! translated to Hipster JOOE.
deadone - 28.04.2014 at 02:07  
Rating: 7
Written by Diverge on 27.04.2014 at 20:35

I don't get the album reference deadone had made on his profile or how Lit translated to Angry Little Man and how !J.O.O.E.! translated to Hipster JOOE.



Cause JOOE comes across as a hipster and Lit always comes across as angry.

Anyhow, to bring things back on track:



BitterCOld - 28.04.2014 at 20:35  
Rating: 9 The wheels on the bus go round and round.

why does every difference of opinion nowadays seemingly result in a stream of keyboard smashing and reports or private messages lighting up my inbox like Las Vegas.

ALL opinions are correct, everyone is entitled to say this is good, bad, or in between.

Baiting others (the shit in your mouth post a page back) is against our guidelines, and while I went light with a warning this time, seeing the same names over and over again, I will not be so lighthanded the next time one of these breaks out.
Marcel Hubregtse - 29.04.2014 at 13:57  
Rating: 7 Deleted two off-topic posts by Erik M.
Paw!! - 15.05.2014 at 10:39  
Rating: 9 I really didn't understand why people give this album low rating?
even this album so fucking amazinggg...

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