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Written by Lit. on 09.06.2013 at 01:25
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 09.06.2013 at 00:22
Simple anyone who thinks this is good to great is tooaly deaf and most probably a fanboy
Haters gonna hate.
But seriously though, you said exactly what I expected you to say on here, even down to the misspelled-because-it-was-likely-rushed word.
good catch
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In fairness though Marcel is probably right. Sabbath are a band that, short of releasing a metalcore album, can do no wrong in people's eyes. Even when they release sterile, depth-less, tired hacks of an album like this. People praise it because it's Sabbath and think that everything they release is gold. If they dialled down the doughy eyed love for them and took a step back and saw it for what it really is they'd probably get a different impression of the record.
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| Rating: 7 |
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 10.06.2013 at 03:40
In fairness though Marcel is probably right. Sabbath are a band that, short of releasing a metalcore album, can do no wrong in people's eyes. Even when they release sterile, depth-less, tired hacks of an album like this. People praise it because it's Sabbath and think that everything they release is gold. If they dialled down the doughy eyed love for them and took a step back and saw it for what it really is they'd probably get a different impression of the record.
I've got no problem if you, or Marcel, don't like the album, but there is no need to be arrogant dicks about it and criticise others judgement about music.
For me, I've had a couple of listens now and the album is growing on me. I think it's great to hear Ozzy singing with Sabbath again. I suspect I'll end up giving this a rating of 7.
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 10.06.2013 at 03:40
Sabbath are a band that, short of releasing a metalcore album, can do no wrong in people's eyes.
Well, taking a look a their discography, I think they can actually do a LOT wrong in people's eyes. Even reducing it to the Ozzy period only...
Either way, it's true fanboyism (and same thing for haters) can drive someone to exaggerate his feelings on the actual music, but I think It doesn't get to the point where it makes the difference of liking it or not.
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Yeah, i'll second that. there is a lot of variance. haven't heard this year, not expecting the best Ozzy-Sabbath album, but probably won't be the worst either.
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I don't think I've seen a single thread here on a modern-day album by a popular band (who have also been around for many years, and whose old stuff is usually classed as legendary), where some haven't labelled anyone expressing a like for the album as a "fanboy", and that they must be "blinded by the band name" if they like it. It happens every single time. It's so predictable, it's embarrassing. It could just as easily be argued that a big band name being on an album can blind certain-minded people to positive aspects of an album, and I think that certainly does happen sometimes.
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 Agape - 10.06.2013 at 11:54
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| Rating: 6 |
I'm not a sucker for everything that BS release, but this is a pretty decent album. 6,5
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| Rating: 9 |
Very good album!! Incredible instrumental arrangement with Tony Iommi in amazing shape 
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Written by Angelic Storm on 10.06.2013 at 07:22
I don't think I've seen a single thread here on a modern-day album by a popular band (who have also been around for many years, and whose old stuff is usually classed as legendary), where some haven't labelled anyone expressing a like for the album as a "fanboy", and that they must be "blinded by the band name" if they like it. It happens every single time. It's so predictable, it's embarrassing. It could just as easily be argued that a big band name being on an album can blind certain-minded people to positive aspects of an album, and I think that certainly does happen sometimes.
I've also noticed it happens in reverse: some people are so determined to hate on some bands that they'd rate anything they release as the worst thing ever just on principle, no matter how good it actually is. An example that springs to mind is Metallica: some people act like every little thing Metallica does is further proof they are selling out harder and hate them for every album since their self-titled, yet act like Megadeth haven't sold out at all (or, at least, not as badly as Metallica) despite the fact that Risk came close to being a actual pop album at points and actually simplified their sound after Metallica did the same thing (in other words, Megadeth probably sold out worse than Metallica did). Maybe I'm looking at things the wrong way, but it's one thing which really annoys me when I notice it, as it seems very hypocritical. I'll stress, that's just how I see it having listened to metal since the beginning of 2011, so I might be missing something important that everyone else sees, but Megadeth seem like they should be getting the same amount of criticism, if not more, than Metallica do.
Anyway, getting back on topic before someone roast me alive for my previous statement, I've only heard "God Is Dead?" off this album so far and, while I don't think it was bad, I cannot help thinking that it's not as good as it should have been. It just felt too long overall (which sounds familiar from somewhere...) and the last third of it probably had a better riff to write a song with than the other two thirds did. If that's the standard patten for the songs, then I have to say it doesn't sound like something I'll particularly enjoy. I'll give the whole album a listen when I can, but I have to say that "God Is Dead?" didn't exactly set my expectations that high (although the Orchid album that came out recently also struck me as more Sabbath-sounding than 13 has so far, so I might be a bit biased in favour of Orchid at the minute)...
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| Rating: 7 |
Pretty half decent medi-good album.
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Written by PhantomLord21 on 10.06.2013 at 18:51
I've also noticed it happens in reverse: some people are so determined to hate on some bands that they'd rate anything they release as the worst thing ever just on principle, no matter how good it actually is. An example that springs to mind is Metallica: some people act like every little thing Metallica does is further proof they are selling out harder and hate them for every album since their self-titled, yet act like Megadeth haven't sold out at all (or, at least, not as badly as Metallica) despite the fact that Risk came close to being a actual pop album at points and actually simplified their sound after Metallica did the same thing (in other words, Megadeth probably sold out worse than Metallica did). Maybe I'm looking at things the wrong way, but it's one thing which really annoys me when I notice it, as it seems very hypocritical. I'll stress, that's just how I see it having listened to metal since the beginning of 2011, so I might be missing something important that everyone else sees, but Megadeth seem like they should be getting the same amount of criticism, if not more, than Metallica do.
I think... yep, there are people who are basically like blind fanboys, but in reverse. I think all opinions on things like music are to a certain extent at least, subjective. But opinions that are completely subjective with no objectivity to them (which are the majority, I would say) lack a clarity and a genuine honesty, which whilst I can still respect them, means I can't take them entirely seriously. Metallica is a good example. Some people simply want to hate Metallica, and so anything they release is placed under a far greater level of scrutiny than would be applied to other bands. They want to find fault with their releases, which means that their opinions, just like those of blind fanboys, are coming from a place of pre-disposed bias. And going into listening to any new album by a "classic" band with biased ears, be they negative or positive, means that the judgements reached can't really be taken seriously as any sort of definitive statements on the album in question.
And the ironic thing is, that both fanboys and their reverse counterparts treat their opinions as inflappable facts, and therefore have to rubbish opinions that are contrary to their own. It's not enough to simply say they don't agree with your opinions, they also feel the need to belittle you for holding a different opinion to them.
As for Megadeth, yep, they have largely managed to evade the heavy backlash given to Metallica for commercialising their sound, even though they did the exactly same thing, and if anything, Megadeth went further in their sell-out attempts than Metallica did. But because Megadeth failed to achieve the mega stardom of Metallica, their attempts at breaking into the mainstream are forgiven, or even simply ignored, by many of the same people who bash Metallica. I would say it's only quite recently, with Dave's conversion to Christianity, and some of his outlandish political statements, that I've really started to see quite a lot of criticism levelled at Dave and Megadeth, which in turn has transposed itself into criticism of Megadeth's music too. Now, I think it certainly is the case that Super Collider is a very poor album, but I also feel that had that album been released say... just 10 years ago, many of the people criticising it would be praising it instead.
Back to Black Sabbath, I'm still going to listen a couple more times before I completely make up my mind about it, but I can say that whilst I wouldn't place it up there with the likes of the debut or "Master Of Reality" it is certainly quite a bit better than I was expecting it to be. And whilst I never disliked "God Is Dead?", I do feel it sounds much better in a full album context than it did as a single. "Live Forever" or "Zeitgeist" would have made much better singles I think.
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Written by PhantomLord21 on 10.06.2013 at 18:51
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but Megadeth seem like they should be getting the same amount of criticism, if not more, than Metallica do.
May I direct your attention to Megadeth's latest release --> http://metalstorm.net/bands/album.php?album_id=69143&band_id=163&bandname=Megadeth
Megadeth hasn't received as much criticism b/c they did Risk and shortly after returned back to thrash and semi-decent music, System, United, Endgame, etc. Metallica has stayed wallowing in the shitty music cesspool they created back with Load, and arguably the Black album. But as you can see from the link, now that Megadeth has stepped into some uncharted land of shitty music, people are bashing them all the same, so your argument is invalid.
I didn't really want to do this because Megadeth/Metallica is a burnt out argument, but seeing as your new to metal this debate is also unfortunately a right of passage...
Back to Black Sabbath! I'm also kinda surprised by the high rating here. The album is kinda boring to be honest... Sounds like the simple stoner metal songs me and my friends would make up on the spot back as teens, just for funjamtime. The album would work really well for music to fall asleep to though! Very simple, Very slow, if I get insomnia anytime soon I know how to fix it. Ozzy's voice seems to be gone, as the autotune and FX are completely obvious, gone is the raw vox feeling of the first albums.
The Zeitgeist song really? Sounds like a stoner band trying to knock off Planet Caravan.
Alright enough with the bash. It really could be worse, at least it's metal and it sounds like some vestige of what Sabbath used to be, I mean these guys are Grandpas now.
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Written by AngelofDeth on 10.06.2013 at 21:20
May I direct your attention to Megadeth's latest release --> http://metalstorm.net/bands/album.php?album_id=69143&band_id=163&bandname=Megadeth
Megadeth hasn't received as much criticism b/c they did Risk and shortly after returned back to thrash and semi-decent music, System, United, Endgame, etc. Metallica has stayed wallowing in the shitty music cesspool they created back with Load, and arguably the Black album. But as you can see from the link, now that Megadeth has stepped into some uncharted land of shitty music, people are bashing them all the same, so your argument is invalid.
Nope, that is wrong. Megadeth evaded the criticism simply because they didn't reach the same level of fame as Metallica, pure and simple. If what you were saying was the case, Megadeth would have received the same heavy criticism as Metallica during the 90's, which is something that generally, didn't happen. Also, Dave's "return to thrash" was a contrived move. He simply realised after "Risk" bombed commercially, that he was never going to outdo or even match Metallica in terms of mainstream popularity, so he went back to making heavier material to try and claw back some of the fans he lost during the 90's. His decision to "go back to thrash" was arguably as calculated and contrived as his decision to stop playing thrash was 10 years prior.
And like I said, whilst Super Collider is a poor album, it was also released in a climate where people were already starting to turn their backs on Dave, because of mainly non-musical factors. Which is why I think that whilst the album deserves the criticism it is receiving, I feel if the album had been released a few years back, the level of criticism levelled towards it would have been far less. As back then, far more people had the notion that anything Dave or Megadeth did was beyond any criticism at all.
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Written by Angelic Storm on 10.06.2013 at 21:32
Nope, that is wrong. Megadeth evaded the criticism simply because they didn't reach the same level of fame as Metallica, pure and simple. If what you were saying was the case, Megadeth would have received the same heavy criticism as Metallica during the 90's, which is something that generally, didn't happen. Also, Dave's "return to thrash" was a contrived move. He simply realised after "Risk" bombed commercially, that he was never going to outdo or even match Metallica in terms of mainstream popularity, so he went back to making heavier material to try and claw back some of the fans he lost during the 90's. His decision to "go back to thrash" was arguably as calculated and contrived as his decision to stop playing thrash was 10 years prior.
And like I said, whilst Super Collider is a poor album, it was also released in a climate where people were already starting to turn their backs on Dave, because of mainly non-musical factors. Which is why I think that whilst the album deserves the criticism it is receiving, I feel if the album had been released a few years back, the level of criticism levelled towards it would have been far less. As back then, far more people had the notion that anything Dave or Megadeth did was beyond any criticism at all.
Your basing all these statements simply off inferences and hypothetical situations. There may be some truth to what your saying but there is really no way to prove any of it without putting Dave on trial. Anyway this is a forum on Black Sabbath's 13, not to be confused with Megadeth's Th1rt3en, so we should probly get back to the topic at hand.
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Written by Angelic Storm on 10.06.2013 at 07:22
I don't think I've seen a single thread here on a modern-day album by a popular band (who have also been around for many years, and whose old stuff is usually classed as legendary), where some haven't labelled anyone expressing a like for the album as a "fanboy", and that they must be "blinded by the band name" if they like it. It happens every single time. It's so predictable, it's embarrassing.
Welcome to the internet, ma'am. This is a place where saying something as innocent as "I love puppies" will get you crucified. If you have an opinion on anything, it's best not to express it online, unless you enjoy pissing people off... which I do. 
Anywho, I like what I hear from this album so far. 
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| Rating: 10 |
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 04.06.2013 at 23:08
Written by Deefer46 on 04.06.2013 at 23:03
I just heard the album, I'm telling you - IT'S FUCKING AWESOME
I don't believe you.
Honest............
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| Rating: 8 |
Why there's another lame and pointless Megadeth vs Metallica debate under a Black Sabbath album?? 
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| Rating: 7 |
Written by AtrumHiberna on 11.06.2013 at 03:14
Why there's another lame and pointless Megadeth vs Metallica debate under a Black Sabbath album??
Wasn't a full-on debate as far as I could tell - just used as an example when discussing the phenomenon of fanboys and anti-fanboys.
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Written by Ace Frawley on 11.06.2013 at 05:30
Wasn't a full-on debate as far as I could tell - just used as an example when discussing the phenomenon of fanboys and anti-fanboys.
Bingo. lol The Metallica/Megadeth debate is very tired one, but it is a great example of the hypocrisy within some people's bashing of certain bands. And more specifically, their latter day material.
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| Rating: 7 |
I just realised that I really like the song "God is Dead?" now. I didn't really like it much when I first heard it but now it has grown on me to the point that it's one of my favourite tracks on the album. I also like the fact that the album has diversity, with a song like "Zeitgeist".
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Admittedly, my post was also something I'd been building up for a good while. It's been bugging me pretty much since last year, so it was probably better to get it out of my system now rather than still be waiting for an opportunity to say it. Angelic just happened to bring up an issue where it made sense for me to make the rant (the issue of people who like an album being called blind fanboys by those who don't and the point that some (not all, but some) people will only praise an album by a legendary band and refuse to accept any criticism of it, which I do agree happens).
Apologies that it happened on this particular thread if anyone was bugged by it. Let's get back to discussing the new Black Sabbath (which Il'l join in with as soon as I've had a chance to listen to it: I actually feel like I was harsh with my previous comment on "God Is Dead?", as it's grown on me a bit since I gave it some more listens yesterday, although I still feel that the song could have done with a bit of cutting down and that the 70's sounding riff (about six and a half minutes into the song) could have been better used to make a classic Sabbath song and that it was a missed opportunity to just tack it into the last third of "God Is Dead?").
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| Rating: 7 |
Quite enjoying this. Iommi's riffing is in top form, but the songs seem to one dimensional when it comes to their pacing. Which is a shame, because it makes some of the fantastic riffing a little tedious.
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| Rating: 9 |
I've rated it high as you can see below.Album is awesome,black sabbath is awesome theres no more to say.
And to haters,philosophers on this topic-I've comented the same thing on megadeth's new album:
WHY WHY do you have to always mention that disgrace and shame of metallica in every fkin comment on
someone elses album.Why once again?What are they,some kind of sick measurment of every goddamn metal
band in the world ?Master of puppets is measurment for every album,uuuuuuuuuuuuu I'm shakin' how good it is.
C'mon people talk about Sabbath and let's focus on their new album.
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I just read a lyrics to God Is dead and end of tommrow
I know those 2 songs
Its awesome, because Ozzy or whatever wrote those went back to 70's and wrote awesome political lyrics what describes fucked up modern day society
Well maybe its because Ozzy used drugs he could write better lyrics?
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I'm enjoying the hell out of this so far. \m/
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| Rating: 6 |
This "13" is only famous because it has the name "Black Sabbath" on its cover, besides that is a boring excuse of an album, not a single stand-out track on the whole list, not even on the bonus tracks, maybe "God Is Dead?" is the only enjoyable song, but is quite forgettable after one or two spins.
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| Rating: 6 |
I enjoy it up to "Age Of Reason", there I start to yawn and the rest of the songs do nothing about it. Then come the bonus tracks... "Methademic" is pretty awesome and that's it.
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| Rating: 10 |
Great album! Black Sabbath proves with this record that the 70s are not dead and the music from that era still has something to say. Black Sabbath is back in full force!
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Written by Bad English on 12.06.2013 at 14:26
I just read a lyrics to God Is dead and end of tommrow
I know those 2 songs
Its awesome, because Ozzy or whatever wrote those went back to 70's and wrote awesome political lyrics what describes fucked up modern day society
Well maybe its because Ozzy used drugs he could write better lyrics?
Geezer has always been the main lyricist in BS
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| Rating: 6 |
I did not enjoy this as much as majority of people here (as it seems). Ozzy's vocals are rearranged almost to the point of unbearable annoyance, drums sound completely flat and unmemorable, 75% of the most decent riffs/music sound exactly the same as those from the past albums (they could at least show the effort of trying to reinvent them) and most of the songs are just too long while the overall production is quite terrible (what was Rubin thinking?). The only bright points are Iommi's guitar playing and Butler's bass.
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It is not hard to figure out that this album was a last grab to cash in on the Sabbath name. Why do people think it is boring? Because it is! What made those first 6 albums so great was the fire in them. They were still fresh and not afraid to try different things. Now look at this new album 13. It sounds "on purpose" ! What I mean is they went in and wrote songs they think we want to hear instead of letting their creativity bleed through. It is not even close to being good to me. It sounds tired and forced.
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| Rating: 7 |
Written by Timelord on 17.06.2013 at 01:45
It is not hard to figure out that this album was a last grab to cash in on the Sabbath name. Why do people think it is boring? Because it is! What made those first 6 albums so great was the fire in them. They were still fresh and not afraid to try different things. Now look at this new album 13. It sounds "on purpose" ! What I mean is they went in and wrote songs they think we want to hear instead of letting their creativity bleed through. It is not even close to being good to me. It sounds tired and forced.
Considering Tony's health issues, I doubt that he was making music to just cash in. I think you're point about it lacking originality is a fair one though, as it does sound like a deliberate attempt to recreate the sound of the early days. That doesn't bother me though - in fact, I love it.
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Written by Ace Frawley on 17.06.2013 at 09:41
Considering Tony's health issues, I doubt that he was making music to just cash in.
In fact, one could think he may need some extra money to afford all the treatments.
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Written by Unhealer on 17.06.2013 at 17:27
Written by Ace Frawley on 17.06.2013 at 09:41
Considering Tony's health issues, I doubt that he was making music to just cash in.
In fact, one could think he may need some extra money to afford all the treatments.
I am sure someone like Iommi will have full health benefits. So, it won't cost him anything extra since he's paid for it already on a monthly basis for aeons. His health Insurance should cover it.
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If he still is UK citizen, he will get free trethment , what national health something who will cover it
It was good when in europe rules socilistiv govements
and besides he is not Boris Backer or Steffan Effenmberg who wasted all mony into women, I he saved, and besides he will get payed from gigs, album, media, commercials, its huge event, more huger then Megadeat new album when drummer complains
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| Rating: 9 |
It's one of the best sabbath's stuff after ozzy's departing.
what a doomy song DAMAGED SOUL is!end of the beginning and age of reason are great to me.ozzy's voice is a little unsteady and vibrant but it's ok,cause he's at 60's,but tony still has got every thing that he had on 1970's!
riff's are pretty heavy and strong and like monster that came out of the guitar!
undoubtedly,tony is a legend!:banger:
the atmosphere of these songs has returned to 70's ,and that's worked for me.
i'll give it 9 out of 10 ,and i think it's excellent!
sabbath RULES!!!:dcool:
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