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Release date: 12 March 2001
Style: Extreme progressive metal

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01. The Leper Affinity
02. Bleak
03. Harvest
04. The Drapery Falls
05. Dirge For November
06. The Funeral Portrait
07. Patterns In The Ivy
08. Blackwater Park
09. The Leper Affinity [live] [Legacy Edition bonus]

[Limited Edition bonus CD]
01. Still Day Beneath The Sun
02. Patterns In The Ivy II

[Legacy Edition bonus DVD]
+ 5.0 Audio Mix Of The Original Album
+ The Making Of Blackwater Park

Top 20 albums of 2001: 1
Top 200 albums of all time: 4

Reviews (2)
Lyrics (10)


Additional info
Line-up on the album:
Mikael Åkerfeldt - Voice, guitars
Peter Lindgren - Guitars
Martin Lopez - Drums
Martin Mendez - Bass guitar

Additional musicians:
Steven Wilson - Voice (on "Bleak"), guitar, piano (courtesy of Snapper Music)
Markus Lindberg - 3 eggs (courtesy of Madrigal)

"Blackwater Park" was painfully conceived at Fredman Studios during the months of August to October 2000
Produced by Opeth and Steven Wilson
Engineered by Opeth, Steven Wilson and Fredrik Norström
Mixed by Steven Wilson and Fredrik Norström with the presence of Opeth
Mastered at the Mastering Room by Göran Finnberg
Looks captured by Harry Välimäki
Cover and booklet designed by Travis Smith and Opeth

"The Leper Affinity (Live)" recorded by Brent Carpenter & Pontus Norgren
Live sound mix by Pontus Norgren
The 5.0 mix on the DVD by Jens Borgen for Northern Music Company
The documentary, "The Making Of Blackwater Park", recorded, directed and edited by Fredrik Odefjard

Guest review by
Rupophobic

Rating:
10
Passion. That's what Blackwater Park is all about. Pure, unadulterated passion. Forget that Opeth display musical ability and know-how that is rivaled by few. Forget that the ending to The Leper Affinity goes from what can only be described as one of the greatest jam sessions ever, to a beautiful, yet melancholic pianistic epilogue. Forget that Harvest is one of the greatest acoustic songs ever written. Forget that Blackwater Park contains the perfect metal riff. Forget that Mikael Akerfeld quite possibly has the best voice in all of music. Forget that every moment of this album will make you stand in awe of what you're hearing. Why should you forget all that? Because none of it matters.

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Guest review by
Storchillarn

Rating:
9.9
There are few bands that dare to continuously expand their musical sphere with each release, expecting their fans to accept the changes - even fewer succeed. Mikael Åkerfeldt, song writer and front man of Opeth, has pushed Opeth to do so since the band's inception and perhaps it's this constant change, not giving the audience a chance to adjust to one particular niche, which keeps them from ending up like so many metal bands before them: repetitive and uninspired. 2001 was the year Opeth opened the floodgates of creativity and released what many believe to be their magnum opus, an album so hyped you might doubt its brilliance. I'm here to tell you not to doubt. This is Blackwater Park.

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Mr. Doctor - 04.02.2013 at 01:38  
Rating: 9
Written by Alex Fenger on 04.02.2013 at 01:35

Written by Mr. Doctor on 04.02.2013 at 01:24

Well, my rating for this one is high but I do agree that Morningrise is better than this one.

Wait.... why... I'm confused. Give Morningrise a higher rating, I demand it.


That's why I hate the fact that we don't have 0.5 ratings or even better: 0,25 ratings. I would give this one 8,5 or 8,75... While Morningrise and Still Life are probably at 9,25.
I had this album with an 8 previously though... I'm still unsure whether I should change it or not.
quisableed - 13.03.2013 at 02:12  
  Damn, I just can't stop listening this. Opeth's music is unique. If i would worship somebody or something. That would be Mikael Åkerfeldt.
Rsrdaman - 28.04.2013 at 22:15  
Rating: 8 Don't like this album much at all. Death vocals are not very good, and guitars are very flat sounding. See nothing remarkable about this album.

EDIT: Going to leave this as a 1 for now. I cant believe this is rated as the #1 album on Metal Storm. Its has a few songs with good points but really? Things like The Drapery Falls with long repetitive droning intros get boring very fast. Overall the songs have little diversity, and have way to much filler. When the average song is 10+ minutes on an album, it gets to a point where all interest is lost in the song, and you are waiting for a break from monotony. Maybe the first time it is unique, but am I going to spend 3 hours to listen to one damn album, full of filler? Fuck no.

9/10 For the effort, great experimental album.
5/10 For lack of originality, to much over-used droning.


Edit: Fuck what I said, Opeth is pretty damn good.
Lião - 29.04.2013 at 19:49  
 
Written by Rsrdaman on 28.04.2013 at 22:15

Don't like this album much at all. Death vocals are not very good, and guitars are very flat sounding. See nothing remarkable about this album.


Same as me.
K†ulu - 29.04.2013 at 20:52  
Rating: 9
Written by Rsrdaman on 28.04.2013 at 22:15

Don't like this album much at all. Death vocals are not very good, and guitars are very flat sounding. See nothing remarkable about this album.

Really? Interesting... whose death vocals are good to you I wonder. I have always thought that Akerfeldt has some of the best growls. As far as guitar, I just disagree. I think the tone is quite balanced. I mean it's no Symphony X, but for their style quite good.
Rsrdaman - 08.05.2013 at 23:09  
Rating: 8
Written by K†ulu on 29.04.2013 at 20:52

Written by Rsrdaman on 28.04.2013 at 22:15

Don't like this album much at all. Death vocals are not very good, and guitars are very flat sounding. See nothing remarkable about this album.

Really? Interesting... whose death vocals are good to you I wonder. I have always thought that Akerfeldt has some of the best growls. As far as guitar, I just disagree. I think the tone is quite balanced. I mean it's no Symphony X, but for their style quite good.

I enjoy Death vocals from bands like Amon Amarth, Arch Enemy, Death, Behemoth, CoB, Etc.. I like when the vocals are harsh and feel like they're ripping your face off. Opeth is just to slow and ballad-y for me, I guess. Opeth's growls are just too slow and monotonous. I can appreciate that they try very hard, I can tell they put a lot of work into it, but it just doesn't appeal to me.
Boxcar Willy - 09.05.2013 at 04:17  
 
Written by Rsrdaman on 08.05.2013 at 23:09

I can appreciate that they try very hard, I can tell they put a lot of work into it, but it just doesn't appeal to me.

This is essentially how I feel about this.
Boxcar Willy - 09.05.2013 at 04:18  
 
Written by Rsrdaman on 08.05.2013 at 23:09

I can appreciate that they try very hard, I can tell they put a lot of work into it, but it just doesn't appeal to me.

This is essentially how I feel about this.
quisableed - 14.05.2013 at 02:27  
  One of the criticisms is made ​​about the akerfeldt's vocal. Be careful guys, noone wants to burn in hell
Maco - 05.07.2013 at 00:12  
  Overrated.
Mattybu - 21.07.2013 at 01:33  
Rating: 6
Written by Maco on 05.07.2013 at 00:12

Overrated.


I agree bro I'll take my passion impure and adulterated long as it ain't boring
Maco - 21.07.2013 at 03:03  
 
Quote:
I agree bro I'll take my passion impure and adulterated long as it ain't boring


If I want pure and unadulterated passion, I would listen Morningrise.
phanto - 24.08.2013 at 05:43  
Rating: 10 The best Opeth album, closely followed by Deliverance and the first couple of albums. Few death metal songs create goosebumps like the title track.
Lethrokai - 28.08.2013 at 15:46  
Rating: 7 It's an alright album. Wouldn't call it anything special though...
I definitely prefer Ghost Reveries.
defeat213 - 02.11.2013 at 20:56  
  Probably the only album worthy of a 10 on the top 200 list outside of perhaps Ashes Against the Grain.
mz - 02.11.2013 at 23:39  
Rating: 9 I just now see that someone called this album "droning" and unoriginal. what's wrong with people these days. And, although I know that it's up to personal opinions, how could someone bash MA's growls and at the same time praise vocals of Amon Amarth, Death and CoB at the same time is beyond me
yash2829 - 25.11.2013 at 12:23  
Rating: 9 Very Addictive Album. This was my first opeth album. And i wont lie, i took some time to get along with it. But eventually it stuck so well in my brain, i couldn't stop humming to every song of this album. Great vocals by mikeal akerfeldt, Sometimes astonishingly beautiful and other time brutal growls, Catchy riffs. And most importantly Dark but beautiful atmospheric music.:banger:
andreosokin - 12.12.2013 at 13:42  
Rating: 9 It is finally topping the MetalStorm Top 200 charts!!
deadone - 16.12.2013 at 03:32  
Rating: 9
Quote:
I just now see that someone called this album "droning"


Bits of it do drone on and on as do most Opeth albums. I think some of their songs would be better as 3-4 minute ones.

But for the most part Blackwater Park is a good album, albeit over rated.


Akerfeldt's growls are superb though. I don't know why anyone would criticise them.
Paw.Mnggaran - 12.01.2014 at 00:38  
  For me. This is the best metal album of all time. still number 1 after sad wings of destiny by judas priest.
Northern Danger - 15.02.2014 at 18:10  
  Good but not awesome. More clean vocals I would say.
deadone - 17.02.2014 at 00:38  
Rating: 9
Written by Northern Danger on 15.02.2014 at 18:10

Good but not awesome. More clean vocals I would say.



I think the clean-harsh ratio is fine. Akerfeldt has got a great growl.
Northern Danger - 17.02.2014 at 09:11  
 
Written by deadone on 17.02.2014 at 00:38

Written by Northern Danger on 15.02.2014 at 18:10

Good but not awesome. More clean vocals I would say.



I think the clean-harsh ratio is fine. Akerfeldt has got a great growl.

I like his growls too,but I think clean vocals would be better at some point than growls in this album.
Eccer - 23.02.2014 at 01:36  
Rating: 10 This whole album is like a dream. And when that final outro hits you.....it's like a year long grip, that finally releases. All the tension, emotions that carried darkness and disgust. A lamentation in the perspective of our world. Truth, that will forever echo in the name of this album.


The sun sets forever over Blackwater Park \m/
Michaelgpc - 23.02.2014 at 21:46  
Rating: 10 Stonewall classic. Opeth at its best, highly original, brilliantly executed. I'm no fan of where Akerfeld has taken the band since, but no matter, this album is a wonderful work of art.
EtaArgus - 27.02.2014 at 21:11  
Rating: 9 Even tho I am a big fan of Porcupine Tree, I don't like the touch of Steven Wilson on this album.
So, I just give it a 9 (yes, is an Opeth album, fucking awesome anyway).

I just can't get tired of Dirge for November, so fucking depressing!
Paw!! - 18.03.2014 at 02:38  
Rating: 10 All songs from Blackwater Park by Opeth its pure fucking great album. The emotional, lyrics, instrument. Awesome
God Buster 鬼 - 22.03.2014 at 10:37  
Rating: 5 Probably the No.1 OVERRATED album in the past decade.
(just because there're tons of unmatched small pieces/ musical compositions in every song so listeners find this album is worth-buying).
As if eating super combo set dinner - sour salmon + hot beef steak + sweet chicken wings + bitter lamb chop on one plate. Yuck !
mz - 22.03.2014 at 11:13  
Rating: 9
Written by God Buster 鬼 on 22.03.2014 at 10:37

Probably the No.1 OVERRATED album in the past decade.
(just because there're tons of unmatched small pieces/ musical compositions in every song so listeners find this album is worth-buying).
As if eating super combo set dinner - sour salmon + hot beef steak + sweet chicken wings + bitter lamb chop on one plate. Yuck !

People playing with the "overrated" card again. It's ok if you don't like this, but do not assume that everyone enjoying this album is blinded "just because there're tons of unmatched small pieces/ musical compositions in every song ". Also, BWP is a highly influential album by a highly original band and this makes it far from being "overrated".
God Buster 鬼 - 22.03.2014 at 11:55  
Rating: 5
Quote:
Quote:

...BWP is a highly influential album by a highly original band and this makes it far from being "overrated".

This could be the first Death Progressive Metal album released by Sony - Zomba in the 90's.
Sony pumped in a lot of money to "Create" the popularity for this album and the band. Thats the sheep effect.
What a "Lucky" band !
mz - 22.03.2014 at 22:57  
Rating: 9
Written by God Buster 鬼 on 22.03.2014 at 11:55

This could be the first Death Progressive Metal album released by Sony - Zomba in the 90's.
Sony pumped in a lot of money to "Create" the popularity for this album and the band. Thats the sheep effect.
What a "Lucky" band !

Sorry I don't get what you mean.
deadone - 24.03.2014 at 01:20  
Rating: 9
Quote:
Quote:
Written by God Buster 鬼 on 22.03.2014 at 11:55


...BWP is a highly influential album by a highly original band and this makes it far from being "overrated".

This could be the first Death Progressive Metal album released by Sony - Zomba in the 90's.
Sony pumped in a lot of money to "Create" the popularity for this album and the band. Thats the sheep effect.
What a "Lucky" band !



It came out in 2001, not the 1990s.

And from memory, at the time of recording Opeth were out of contract and the band financed the album.
God Buster 鬼 - 24.03.2014 at 09:43  
Rating: 5
Quote:
Quote:
Written by deadone on 24.03.2014 at 01:20

Written by God Buster 鬼 on 22.03.2014 at 11:55


...BWP is a highly influential album by a highly original band and this makes it far from being "overrated".

This could be the first Death Progressive Metal album released by Sony - Zomba in the 90's.
Sony pumped in a lot of money to "Create" the popularity for this album and the band. Thats the sheep effect.
What a "Lucky" band !



It came out in 2001, not the 1990s.

And from memory, at the time of recording Opeth were out of contract and the band financed the album.

Death metal was started gaining recognition at the end of the 90's. The album released in 2001, but they started to work on it at the end of the 90's

As for if Opeth financed their own album...I am very sceptical. I still can remember clearly Opeth was the first Sony's Death apple at the 90's-2000's
deadone - 24.03.2014 at 23:56  
Rating: 9
Written by God Buster 鬼 on 24.03.2014 at 09:43

Death metal was started gaining recognition at the end of the 90's. The album released in 2001, but they started to work on it at the end of the 90's

As for if Opeth financed their own album...I am very sceptical. I still can remember clearly Opeth was the first Sony's Death apple at the 90's-2000's



Erm...Death Metal started gaining recognition in the late 1980s and actually hit it's peak in the mid 1990s with stuff like Morbid Angel and Cannibal Corpse achieving reasonable commercial success.
God Buster 鬼 - 25.03.2014 at 06:51  
Rating: 5
Written by deadone on 24.03.2014 at 23:56

Written by God Buster 鬼 on 24.03.2014 at 09:43

Death metal was started gaining recognition at the end of the 90's. The album released in 2001, but they started to work on it at the end of the 90's

As for if Opeth financed their own album...I am very sceptical. I still can remember clearly Opeth was the first Sony's Death apple at the 90's-2000's



Erm...Death Metal started gaining recognition in the 1980s and actually hit it's peak in the mid 1990s with stuff like Morbid Angel and Cannibal Corpse achieving reasonable commercial success.


Erm...50% correct.
- Every kind of new genre needs 5-10 years to become stable, Death Metal started developing (not gaining recognition) in the mid -late 1980s, gaining recognition in the early 1990s.
- Morbid Angel gained popularity only after the release of Covenant in 1993, then listeners started exploring their past releases Altars...and Blessed....
deadone - 25.03.2014 at 07:03  
Rating: 9
Written by God Buster 鬼 on 25.03.2014 at 06:51

Erm...50% correct.
- Every kind of new genre needs 5-10 years to become stable, Death Metal started developing (not gaining recognition) in the mid -late 1980s, gaining recognition in the early 1990s.
- Morbid Angel gained popularity only after the release of Covenant in 1993, then listeners started exploring their past releases Altars...and Blessed....



Death Metal had stabilised stylistically by 1989.

It peaked commercially in 1992-95 and from 1995 had become completely oversaturated and went into decline, until the early 2000s when Behemoth and Nile kick started the genre back into life.

As for Morbid Angel, Altairs of Madness was up there with Death's Leprosy, Deicide's self titled etc as a pioneering album and recognised as such by early DM fans. They became "mainstream" popular with Covenant but by then Floridan DM was already starting to run out of steam.


Also not much in Blackwater Park is Death Metal bar the vocals. The heavy bits are certainly not Death Metal for the most part.


Marcel and some of the other true old schoolers can extrapolate further.
God Buster 鬼 - 25.03.2014 at 07:21  
Rating: 5
Written by deadone on 25.03.2014 at 07:03

Written by God Buster 鬼 on 25.03.2014 at 06:51

Erm...50% correct.
- Every kind of new genre needs 5-10 years to become stable, Death Metal started developing (not gaining recognition) in the mid -late 1980s, gaining recognition in the early 1990s.
- Morbid Angel gained popularity only after the release of Covenant in 1993, then listeners started exploring their past releases Altars...and Blessed....



1) Death Metal had stabilised stylistically by 1989.

It peaked commercially in 1992-95 and from 1995 had become completely oversaturated and went into decline, until the early 2000s when Behemoth and Nile kick started the genre back into life.

As for Morbid Angel, Altairs of Madness was up there with Death's Leprosy, Deicide's self titled etc as a pioneering album and recognised as such by early DM fans. They became "mainstream" popular with Covenant but by then Floridan DM was already starting to run out of steam.


2) Also not much in Blackwater Park is Death Metal bar the vocals. The heavy bits are certainly not Death Metal for the most part.


3) Marcel and some of the other true old schoolers can extrapolate further.


1) 100% agreed
2) Progressive Death Metal
3) Don't depend on him, you know better than him
deadone - 25.03.2014 at 07:28  
Rating: 9 Marcel and the other old schoolers are very knowledgeable.


As for Opeth I'd say Progressive Melodic Death Metal for Blackwater Park, Still Life etc. They later became more progressive with less and less melodic DM.
God Buster 鬼 - 25.03.2014 at 11:19  
Rating: 5
Written by deadone on 25.03.2014 at 07:28

Marcel and the other old schoolers are very knowledgeable.


As for Opeth I'd say Progressive Melodic Death Metal for Blackwater Park, Still Life etc. They later became more progressive with less and less melodic DM.


Yes, I heard he has a Master Degree in Metal.
!J.O.O.E.! - 25.03.2014 at 13:49  
Rating: 10 Personally wouldn't say there's an ounce of melodic death, be it of the Gothenburg variety or otherwise, in Opeth. Certainly nothing death or melodic death metal in BwP. Hell, that would imply it borrows from Iron Maiden's melodic sensibilities which it never has to my mind. My Arms... is the closest it ever came to being a death metal band, but most other works are just progressive metal with death growls, maybe a tiny, minute smidgen of black metal in the first album, but really not enough worth mentioning.
Ozman - 25.03.2014 at 13:56  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 25.03.2014 at 13:49

Personally wouldn't say there's an ounce of melodic death, be it of the Gothenburg variety of otherwise, in Opeth. Certainly nothing death or melodic death metal in BwP. Hell, that would imply it borrows from Iron Maiden's melodic sensibilities which it never has to my mind. My Arms... is the closest it ever came to being a death metal band, but most other works are just progressive metal with death growls, maybe a tiny, minute smidgen of black metal in the first album, but really not enough worth mentioning.



I am still why people keep on referring to Opeth as melodic death metal and such. Like you said the closest they ever were to death metal was on My Arms. Hell, at least the last couple of posters didn't call Opeth doom metal (which I have seen happen laods of times as well).
!J.O.O.E.! - 25.03.2014 at 13:57  
Rating: 10
Written by Ozman on 25.03.2014 at 13:56


I am still why people keep on referring to Opeth as melodic death metal and such. Like you said the closest they ever were to death metal was on My Arms. Hell, at least the last couple of posters didn't call Opeth doom metal (which I have seen happen laods of times as well).

Probably those people that compare Katatonia and Opeth, which I've seen quite a lot.

People probably put death growls + melodic musicianship together and come up with melodeath.
mz - 25.03.2014 at 18:21  
Rating: 9 Extreme progressive metal and that's it.
!J.O.O.E.! - 25.03.2014 at 18:22  
Rating: 10
Written by mz on 25.03.2014 at 18:21

Extreme progressive metal and that's it.

For the most part, yes.
deadone - 26.03.2014 at 00:09  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 25.03.2014 at 13:49

Personally wouldn't say there's an ounce of melodic death, be it of the Gothenburg variety or otherwise, in Opeth. Certainly nothing death or melodic death metal in BwP. Hell, that would imply it borrows from Iron Maiden's melodic sensibilities which it never has to my mind. My Arms... is the closest it ever came to being a death metal band, but most other works are just progressive metal with death growls, maybe a tiny, minute smidgen of black metal in the first album, but really not enough worth mentioning.



Only reason I regard them as melodic DM is because melodic DM these days seems to imply anything with growl vocals and melodies.

I mean people still refer to Dark Tranquillity and In Flames as melodic DM but they've not done anything true melodic DM for years.
!J.O.O.E.! - 26.03.2014 at 00:15  
Rating: 10
Written by deadone on 26.03.2014 at 00:09

I mean people still refer to Dark Tranquillity and In Flames as melodic DM but they've not done anything true melodic DM for years.

Pretty sure no one has referred to In Flames as melodic death since Soundtrack To Your Escape, or Come Clarity at least. Dark Tranquillity is a bit more debatable but then they were always a little different with their sound anyway and more than just Iron Maiden with screamy vocals.
deadone - 26.03.2014 at 00:25  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 26.03.2014 at 00:15

Written by deadone on 26.03.2014 at 00:09

I mean people still refer to Dark Tranquillity and In Flames as melodic DM but they've not done anything true melodic DM for years.

Pretty sure no one has referred to In Flames as melodic death since Soundtrack To Your Escape, or Come Clarity at least. Dark Tranquillity is a bit more debatable but then they were always a little different with their sound anyway and more than just Iron Maiden with screamy vocals.


I'd say In Flames stopped being melodic DM with Whoracle or at the latest Clayman. Whoracle/Colony was melodic and groovy with Death vocals. Clayman replaced growled vocals with more shouty ones ala what one considers metalcore vocals these days.


DT haven't been Melodic DM for decades now (since Minds I at least). Their post Minds I stuff always seems more in common with Nevermore and Iced Earth with growled vocals. Their last couple of albums seem almost gothic metal.


Oh and DT one of my favourite bands of all time too and I love Whoracle and Colony.


There's others too ala In Arch Enemy, Darkane, Carnal Forge etc.



Most melodic DM basically stopped having any Death components other than vocals in it from about 1999!
!J.O.O.E.! - 26.03.2014 at 00:31  
Rating: 10
Quote:
Written by deadone on 26.03.2014 at 00:25

Pretty sure no one has referred to In Flames as melodic death since Soundtrack To Your Escape, or Come Clarity at least. Dark Tranquillity is a bit more debatable but then they were always a little different with their sound anyway and more than just Iron Maiden with screamy vocals.


I'd say In Flames stopped being melodic DM with Whoracle or at the latest Clayman. Whoracle/Colony was melodic and groovy with Death vocals. Clayman replaced growled vocals with more shouty ones ala what one considers metalcore vocals these days.


DT haven't been Melodic DM for decades now (since Minds I at least). Their post Minds I stuff always seems more in common with Nevermore and Iced Earth with growled vocals. Their last couple of albums seem almost gothic metal.


Oh and DT one of my favourite bands of all time too and I love Whoracle and Colony.


There's others too ala In Arch Enemy etc.



Most melodic DM basically stopped having any Death components other than vocals in it from about 1999!

Well death growls have never been part and parcel of melodeath anyway, and neither has death metal of really any kind, so it really doesn't matter. Early In Flames weren't death growls or death metal, more gutteral rasps and sped up Iron Maiden than anything. Post-Clayman probably isn't melodeath however, going from nu-metal influence to the strange, clinical whatever SttYE and then the kind of alternative metal thing they did after.

Certainly wouldn't put Dark Tranquillity in with Nevermore myself, or Iced Earth (not that I listen to them). And, well, DT never had growls either Stanne was always a black metal type vocalist to my ears.

Early Arch Enemy may have had some death metal in (a mix of death, thrash and Iron Maideny-ness) but really At The Gates are the only big-boy melodeath band that were death metal, and even then only earlier on.
deadone - 26.03.2014 at 00:40  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 26.03.2014 at 00:31

Well death growls have never been part and parcel of melodeath anyway, and neither has death metal of really any kind, so it really doesn't matter.


Bands like Dismember (Massive Killing Capacity, Death Metal), Edge of Sanity, early At The Gates and Carcass actually did include DM in their melodic DM.

Carnal Forge had the obvious Carcass worship on their first couple.

By the time the At The Gates, In Flames etc started to get big in mid-90s, most of them had stripped away most DM elements.


Quote:
Early In Flames weren't death growls or death metal, more gutteral rasps and sped up Iron Maiden than anything. Post-Clayman probably isn't melodeath however, going from nu-metal influence to the strange, clinical whatever SttYE and then the kind of alternative metal thing they did after.


Songs like Dead Eternity and Graveland had elements of watered down DM.

Quote:
Certainly wouldn't put Dark Tranquillity in with Nevermore myself, or Iced Earth (not that I listen to them). And, well, DT never had growls either Stanne was always a black metal type vocalist to my ears.


Vibe wise they fit in there to my ears.



Quote:
Early Arch Enemy may have had some death metal in (a mix of death, thrash and Iron Maideny-ness) but really At The Gates are the only big-boy melodeath band that were death metal, and even then only earlier on.


Early AE always makes me think Carcass circa Heartwork - which is unsurprising given Amott's employment history. I always thought of early AE as what he wanted to do with Carcass.
!J.O.O.E.! - 26.03.2014 at 00:47  
Rating: 10
Written by deadone on 26.03.2014 at 00:40

Bands like Dismember (Massive Killing Capacity, Death Metal), Edge of Sanity, early At The Gates and Carcass actually did include DM in their melodic DM.

I'd say they included melody in their death metal, rather than death metal in their melodeath Quite a lot of death metal bands include a lot of melody without really being melodic death metal. Sounds weird writing it out like that but I'd still call them two separate things.

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