 Lit. - 03.02.2012 at 22:24
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| Not much of a reunion now, is it? |
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| They've made enough cash at this point... should just split everything to 25% each of whatever the band's share is. |
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Written by BitterCOld on 03.02.2012 at 22:26
They've made enough cash at this point... should just split everything to 25% each of whatever the band's share is.
Agreed, but then again with Sharon around I don't think this would ever be expected.
My money is on Ozzy having at least 50%. |
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| Tough luck, one of the biggest reunions in metal history spoiled... |
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Written by Ceddybu on 03.02.2012 at 22:47
Agreed, but then again with Sharon around I don't think this would ever be expected.
My money is on Ozzy having at least 50%.
Yep, with Sharon around, there'd be no chance of every member getting an equal share. I say Sharon specifically here, as I believe Ozzy himself would have no problem splitting the money evenly amongst all the band members. I doubt Ozzy's share is that great, or Geezer and Tony probably wouldn't have signed on for that. It would appear at the least, that Bill has been offered substantially less money than any of the other 3 members, in which case, I can understand his feelings. The only way I could accept no Bill Ward in the reunion, is if he wasn't physically capable of playing, or he was no longer with us. Seeing as neither of these things is the case, to me there is no "reunion" without Bill Ward, and it makes me far less interested in it now than I was previously.  |
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vezzy - 03.02.2012 at 23:24
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| Should have seen it coming. All the legal drama, and all of a sudden they want to reunite... |
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He might have his reasons to do this, but at the point of view of many, he looks like an asshole  Also, why that interview and all the shit before the contracts and stuff ? |
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Written by Rulatore on 03.02.2012 at 23:42
He might have his reasons to do this, but at the point of view of many, he looks like an asshole Also, why that interview and all the shit before the contracts and stuff ?
Were it not for the fact that Sharon almost certainly had something to do with the contents of this contract, he may indeed come off looking like an asshole. As it is, I feel it is highly likely he does have a right to feel aggrieved. As for the second part of your comment, Bill was probably not prepared for the tiny slice of the pie he would be recieving. lol |
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Written by Ceddybu on 03.02.2012 at 22:47
My money is on Ozzy having at least 50%.
I actually think it's more like Ozzy 40%, Iommi 40% and 10% for Butler and Ward, the later two being treated as the "replaceable". Just that Ward is not accepting this.
Think about it, reunion would still be happening without Iommi or Ozzy? I can see it happening without Butler and right now you are seeing what is happening without Ward... but the other two playing together are "the main attraction", for most people at least. |
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| They shood relise one or 2 good old vein doomy albums and no tour at all, then let they go |
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| Tony has lymphoma, Bill's getting pissy about respect to him... it's only a matter of time before this whole reunion thing falls to shit. |
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SSM - 04.02.2012 at 00:51
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Written by Apothecary on 04.02.2012 at 00:39
it's only a matter of time before this whole reunion thing falls to shit.
I expected nothing else.
Now it looks like these old farts are starting to fight among themselves one more time. Makes me laugh. |
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 
Sharon that evil c... |
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| Am I the only one who thought Black Sabbath's response post was more asshole-ish than Bill Ward's? This whole facebook bickering event seems really childish.... |
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Written by Unhealer on 04.02.2012 at 00:26
Written by Ceddybu on 03.02.2012 at 22:47
My money is on Ozzy having at least 50%.
I actually think it's more like Ozzy 40%, Iommi 40% and 10% for Butler and Ward, the later two being treated as the "replaceable". Just that Ward is not accepting this.
Think about it, reunion would still be happening without Iommi or Ozzy? I can see it happening without Butler and right now you are seeing what is happening without Ward... but the other two playing together are "the main attraction", for most people at least.
Geezer Butler wrote most of the lyrics to their first 8 albums. He's not replacable (in songwriting, at least).
It may not be the fault of Ozzy/Sharon. With the musician turnover Sabbath had in the 80s and 90s, Iommi may be the one responsible.
Anyway, will it be Vinnie Apiece or Eric Singer who'll be brought in? |
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| Well, it did seem too good to be true. I just hope this reunion won't start crumbling from this point on... |
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Written by AndMetalForAll on 03.02.2012 at 23:17
Tough luck, one of the biggest reunions in metal history spoiled...
What if I say this is a publicity stunt??!! Pure stunt..!! He gonna be back and will be back with the bang. It's just that they spit this news in to grab some news and headlines all over the fucking newspapers/ mag/ websites etc. IMO Bill will be back. |
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| The way Bill is speaking about this, it appears not to be about the money at all. He keeps asking for respect as a musician. Likely the contract, decreases his say in the band, creatively. Maybe Tony or (much more likely) Ozzy has final say on all band related business (which songs make the album, how much touring to do etc. etc.) |
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| I kinda like it. Though, it sounds not really a reunion. |
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Jan - 04.02.2012 at 14:30
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| Not the same with out Ward. Makes me kinda sorry I bought those tickets... :-( |
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| This leaves a bad taste in my mouth. |
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| That's a real shame...without Bill Ward, it is not a reunion, it's simply Ozzy rejoining the band. However, I honestly wouldn't mind hearing a new album with Ozzy, and possibly with Vinny Appice on drums. |
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Xim - 04.02.2012 at 20:32
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| I like Vinny Appice more, but I want there to be a full reunion. I'm on Bill's side on this though, he shouldn't let people jerk him around like that. But I think that the rest of the band members should try and fight for him. |
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| Here's an interesting article on the topic... it's not groundbreaking new information but it is a good read. |
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Lethean - 04.02.2012 at 22:38
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| Gee !! his band mates should have been on his side instead of that unfair message on facebook, the band owes him so much, he was a dedicated member wasn't he? why is that, he is talking of respect not money...it was sad to read this |
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Written by Frankthetank727 on 04.02.2012 at 03:15
Am I the only one who thought Black Sabbath's response post was more asshole-ish than Bill Ward's? This whole facebook bickering event seems really childish....
Cant believe they didnt give him what he wanted. We all need respect, They have walked away and ruined this reunion not Bill. |
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Cant say I am not surprised this happened. My question is..."Why didn't they all agree to a binding contract before all four of them got back together so no legal BS can occur ??  OOOHHHHH that's right Sharon 'control freak' Osborne wouldn't have anything to do with that unless majority goes to Ozzy !!!! |
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| Lets be honest. We all share a mutual hatred of the OZ bitch, but to be fair we don't know this is her fault. Plus Bill did say this isnt a money issue. We don't know the whole story and probably never willl. I'm hoping that the rest of Sbbath didn't find out through Facebook cause if they di thats a bit s**ty on Bills part. |
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Looks doomed to failure judging by the tone of the rest of the bands comment. I have always been more of a Vinny fan anyway, so not going to lose any sleep.
After seeing the documentary "God Bless Ozzy Osbourne" Ozzy's voice is so bad now I wouldn't want to see him sing anyway. Compared to the reunion with RJD it will probably be really disappointing. |
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Written by The Shape 1973 on 05.02.2012 at 13:35
Compared to the reunion with RJD it will probably be really disappointing.
That's one of the things I regret - never seeing RJD live. If he were alive they would probably just continue with Heaven and Hell (well probably) and we wouldn't be hearing any of this shit. |
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Written by Milena on 06.02.2012 at 00:46
Written by The Shape 1973 on 05.02.2012 at 13:35
Compared to the reunion with RJD it will probably be really disappointing.
That's one of the things I regret - never seeing RJD live. If he were alive they would probably just continue with Heaven and Hell (well probably) and we wouldn't be hearing any of this shit.
I've been lucky enough to have seen him three times. Twice with Dio and once with Heaven And Hell. As far as I'm concerned he is/was the best, most popular and influential metal singer and an alround nice bloke. Can't say the same for Ozzy, drunken has been is more accurate. |
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Written by The Shape 1973 on 06.02.2012 at 20:25
...and an alround nice bloke.
That actually wasn't the case. He was nice to journalists and fans, to a certain degree., but he was a majore asshole to most of his band mates. |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 06.02.2012 at 20:31
Written by The Shape 1973 on 06.02.2012 at 20:25
...and an alround nice bloke.
That actually wasn't the case. He was nice to journalists and fans, to a certain degree., but he was a majore asshole to most of his band mates.
I just tell it as I have seen it. He always seemed to be a very humble man on stage and took time to talk to his fans. I know that he was a perfectionist and very passionate about the quality of his music. Maybe that is why he was a little intolerant at times. I have heard some things he said that were negative about Vivian Campbell, something about Chicken soup I think, and that Craig Goldie couldn't write songs but was a brilliant guitarist.
I respected him and his music has given me years of pleasure and has steered the direction of what i listen to now. |
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There's a certain mystique about the thought of seeing Sabbath live with all 4 original members still going at it after 43 years.
I would have liked to see Ward in this, but if they can't resolve the media bullshit whatever, let them get Appice, he was pretty good in Heaven and Hell. The truth is, Ward is imo the only original Sabbath member who doesn't have anything groundbreaking attached to his name: Ozzy had that chromatic and bluesy vocal style, Iommi had the downtuned heavy distorted guitar, Butler had complex and powerful bass lines, but there's something we need to face here.. Ward was by far the most expendable of the 4 guys, and (imo) the only member without which the sound wouldn't be all that different.
I saw Heaven and Hell 2 and a half years ago and I can guarantee the only way a show could go wrong would be if Ozzy misses "too many" notes if you know what I mean. I'm pretty sure if (god helping) Iommi's condition improves, then it's gonna be an absolutely epic show when it comes to instrumentation (especially if they get Appice on drums) and a few cringes here and there when Ozzy hits and misses those high notes. |
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Written by Valentin B on 06.02.2012 at 20:40
The truth is, Ward is imo the only original Sabbath member who doesn't have anything groundbreaking attached to his name: Ozzy had that chromatic and bluesy vocal style, Iommi had the downtuned heavy distorted guitar, Butler had complex and powerful bass lines, but there's something we need to face here.. Ward was by far the most expendable of the 4 guys, and (imo) the only member without which the sound wouldn't be all that different.
Damn, you never really listened well to Ward's drumming which was both bluesy and jazzy at the same time. The sound of the band changed a lot after he left. Just have a normal listen to stuff before and after Ward and you'll hear it. If not, then you are certainly deaf  |
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| That really sucks ... At the end is all about money that's a fact |
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s7mon - 12.02.2012 at 16:59
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| If Bill's out, then please hire someone that actually had something to do with Sabbath in the past. Vinny Appice maybe? |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 06.02.2012 at 20:56
Written by Valentin B on 06.02.2012 at 20:40
The truth is, Ward is imo the only original Sabbath member who doesn't have anything groundbreaking attached to his name: Ozzy had that chromatic and bluesy vocal style, Iommi had the downtuned heavy distorted guitar, Butler had complex and powerful bass lines, but there's something we need to face here.. Ward was by far the most expendable of the 4 guys, and (imo) the only member without which the sound wouldn't be all that different.
Damn, you never really listened well to Ward's drumming which was both bluesy and jazzy at the same time. The sound of the band changed a lot after he left. Just have a normal listen to stuff before and after Ward and you'll hear it. If not, then you are certainly deaf
Bill Ward is as important as everyone else in the classic line up. I agree with Marcel. |
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| My dad is the one is who is very disappointed and is against this re-union. listen to my dad's /rant Saabaaaaths! |
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