According to reports from The National, the drummer James Kottak of the German band Scorpions could spend a month in jail after he was convicted on Tuesday morning of insulting Islam, flashing his middle finger at Muslim passengers at an airport and consuming alcohol. Kottak admits he had been drinking but denies the insults. The band already released a statement about the matter as well.

American James Kottak, 51, said he had drunk five glasses of wine on a flight from Moscow to Dubai. He was to transit to Bahrain on a Gulf Air flight to perform at the country's Formula One grand Prix on April 5th when the incident happened at about 11pm on April 3rd. The rocker was with a friend when he said he took a wrong turn and entered the transit hall. "We wanted to wait for the rest of our friends but, mistakenly, ended up at the transit hall," Kottak told police. There he was arrested for being drunk and after that he was reportedly seen getting angry and swearing.

At the sight of Pakistani and Muslim passengers, witnesses said Kottak started swearing and talking about "non-educated Muslims" before he flashed his middle finger at passengers. Police said he also lowered his trousers and showed people his behind.

An officer said he heard the drummer saying "what is this disgusting smell" before he insulted Islam. "I didn't see anything else but I heard him. I then informed my supervisor, who came and took the defendant away." Police said in records that when he lowered his trousers he was asking people to touch his behind.

"I don't remember saying these words and I did not flash my middle finger," Kottak said to prosecutors. When asked about taking down his trousers, he said "this is not true — I just lifted my shirt up to show the tattoo on my back" as a "spontaneous act".

"There is no way that I would say such a phrase about Muslims, whether I was drunk or not," he told police. "I confess to drinking alcohol but I refuse the other two charges, I did not do them."

At Dubai Court of Misdemeanours on Tuesday, his lawyer said that his client was innocent and that the witnesses must be misunderstood. "Their testimonies are contradictory, your honour," said Hamid Al Khazraji.

However, the drummer from Scorpions was sentenced to one month in jail and he was also fined 2,000 dirhams (approximately $545) for drinking alcohol without a licence. He has been in custody since April 3rd and will be released as soon as the time spent in detention will be deducted from his sentence.



Courtesy of the band's website


Meanwhile, Scorpions have also released a statement about this situation: "Dear fans, when James Kottak arrived in Dubai at 3 April, he ran into problems at immigration and got busted. Whatever happened is totally out of our control and we don't know any details about it at this point. For the concerts in Germany, Johan Franzon, a Swedish drummer, will take James seat. Please understand, we keep you posted, Scorpions."


Source: thenational.ae
Band profile: Scorpions
 
Posted: 30.04.2014 by Bad English



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Cynic Metalhead - 30.04.2014 at 13:15  
Hilarity at its peak.
JD - 30.04.2014 at 13:42  
I really hate Islam and all kind of religions, but I also dislike what this guy did.

Some people really need to grow up.
King Bonzo - 30.04.2014 at 14:11  
"non-educated Muslims"? Is it still an insult if it's true?
AssToMouthKiller - 30.04.2014 at 14:44  
He should get an award for that. If I say that it is wrong to be allowed to marry 9 year old girls, would that too be an insult on Islam? Don´t think so.

Scorpions for the win!
Machiavelli - 30.04.2014 at 14:53  
I despise all those death cult religions from the Middle East.
moonflash - 30.04.2014 at 14:59  
Misleading and provocative title to an article that's really about drunk and disorderly behaviour at an airport.
Bad English - 30.04.2014 at 15:24  
Why ppl go to such shitholes, why all sporting events are in shitholes what can happen in FIFA WC ....europian hooligans united there, LOL .. EU must let smoking comercioals on everywher.... why if we inuslt islam (well I might sound rasistic, but no I am not) we are bad, when they came here insult christianity, and they dont get arrested and deported? they burn bible, we are well... we make movie about muhhamed and 1th animal, all world are fucked, get education,drink beer, get sex, watch porn, do wha we do ..,.. not nuks but education are weapon on mass destreuction.

whe you insult europan same way in the pub, ehh nothing, when goes whit muslim ... its biggest crime, OMG as Hitler crimes aganst himanity ... its getting pathetic..... sich idiotism is reason why WP parties are rising in he Europe, what is same shit as islamists .... well but well I cante xpect any kind understanding from religuse ppl-... Europias need diplomatic imunity when enter in such places.... but wait, best way not go an dignore... go to Jamaica, drink guinnes, listen regee and smoke weed and do chic whit shakimg titties ....
Nefarious - 30.04.2014 at 16:03  
Written by Bad English on 30.04.2014 at 15:24

Why ppl go to such shitholes


I've lived in Dubai, on & off, for over 20 years so speaking from experience I can tell you it's certainly not a shithole. As moonflash stated above, it's more to do with drunk & disorderly conduct than anything else. I'm fairly confident that if you got really drunk & started staggering around inside an airport racially abusing people while shouting, swearing, flashing & just generally being a dick, you'd get arrested no matter what country you were in
Bad English - 30.04.2014 at 16:11  
Written by Nefarious on 30.04.2014 at 16:03

Written by Bad English on 30.04.2014 at 15:24

Why ppl go to such shitholes


I've lived in Dubai, on & off, for over 20 years so speaking from experience I can tell you it's certainly not a shithole. As moonflash stated above, it's more to do with drunk & disorderly conduct than anything else. I'm fairly confident that if you got really drunk & started staggering around inside an airport racially abusing people while shouting, swearing, flashing & just generally being a dick, you'd get arrested no matter what country you were in


Dubai wont be shit hole if it would be 100% atheistic....besids only rich man can go there....and thats not a point, I dobt mind be arrested in NY, but arrested for insulting muslim as religuse person , I am aganst , if it would be insult it as person .... I would not mind, but point is , muslims can do such shit here, we do some normal europian think there its a crime ...
drunk ppl in aiports misses ne off I have seebn one who was scraching his dick, ass and eating those shit from the nouse whit sane hand wehat he was scarcing a asshole, but he felt asleep, well Iw ont care if he be what so ever.. but this case I do .... same I would if its be in name of any religuon ....
ANGEL REAPER - 30.04.2014 at 17:12  
Yay he just nominate himself for dick list
Lit. - 30.04.2014 at 18:37  
This is gonna get ugly before it gets better, I'm sure.
BlackEssence - 30.04.2014 at 18:43  
Written by King Bonzo on 30.04.2014 at 14:11

"non-educated Muslims"? Is it still an insult if it's true?


It's true. I don't see insult here;p
Karlabos - 30.04.2014 at 18:44  
Written by ANGEL REAPER on 30.04.2014 at 17:12

Yay he just nominate himself for dick list

What about the guy who stabbed The Slot's vocalist?
ANGEL REAPER - 30.04.2014 at 21:43  
Written by Karlabos on 30.04.2014 at 18:44

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 30.04.2014 at 17:12

Yay he just nominate himself for dick list

What about the guy who stabbed The Slot's vocalist?

well he will get honorable mention ...but this is way more dick-ish
Aetherius - 30.04.2014 at 21:43  
Funny stuff
-Morbid- - 01.05.2014 at 01:44  
Written by ANGEL REAPER on 30.04.2014 at 21:43

Written by Karlabos on 30.04.2014 at 18:44

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 30.04.2014 at 17:12

Yay he just nominate himself for dick list

What about the guy who stabbed The Slot's vocalist?

well he will get honorable mention ...but this is way more dick-ish


...It's more dick-ish to be a drunk ass than it is to try to kill someone?

I hope there's some joking/trolling going on here and I'm just missing it.
ANGEL REAPER - 01.05.2014 at 01:56  
Written by -Morbid- on 01.05.2014 at 01:44

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 30.04.2014 at 21:43

Written by Karlabos on 30.04.2014 at 18:44

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 30.04.2014 at 17:12

Yay he just nominate himself for dick list

What about the guy who stabbed The Slot's vocalist?

well he will get honorable mention ...but this is way more dick-ish


...It's more dick-ish to be a drunk ass than it is to try to kill someone?

I hope there's some joking/trolling going on here and I'm just missing it.

well the potential murderer might be psychiatric patient or just sick which might mean he is murderer but not necessarily a dick... this here is just being dick ...
btw in case you were wondering this is the dick list we were mentioning :
http://metalstorm.net/users/list.php?list_id=3163

we can discuss dicks there
Karlabos - 01.05.2014 at 03:27  
^Even though I kinda agree with this comment I must state that I'm pretty sure it's against the rules of posting...
deadone - 01.05.2014 at 03:28  
What do people expect from a country where they arrest rape victims for being raped or people for kissing in public.

I have no tolerance of this religion but this guy should've stayed sober and not acted like an idiot.

One would think by now, people would've figured out that in these crappy fundamentalist countries you have to be on your best behaviour.
LeChron James - 01.05.2014 at 06:11  
Sweet arm sleeves, bro. I'd arrest him just for those.
Apothecary - 01.05.2014 at 06:21  
"I don't remember saying these words and I did not flash my middle finger"

Of course you don't, you were probably too tilted to remember, ya dingbat. I dislike the rigid, oppresive dogma of Islam as much as the next guy, but at the same time, this guy should've known where the fuck he was at. Most Middle Eastern nations don't take too kindly (pardon the understatement) to insults against their little Mohammedan cult, and have plenty of legislation in place to deal with the people who speak up against it. Know your environment.
Paw!! - 01.05.2014 at 09:21  
No comment. I'll read other news.
Mad Arab666 - 01.05.2014 at 20:09  
This escalated quickly lol. Better get out here before my brain turns to mush.
Lethrokai - 01.05.2014 at 21:23  
I really don't want to do this, but can people here calm it down with the anti-Islam bs? It just bugs me when people assume all Islamic people are religious nutjobs who only care about underage marriage and bombing shit.

Either way, the guy was arrested for doing illegal stuff. That's all people need to know. Just stop trying to make this into another reason to start stupid religious flame wars.
MechanisT - 01.05.2014 at 23:32  
Written by Lethrokai on 01.05.2014 at 21:23

I really don't want to do this, but can people here calm it down with the anti-Islam bs? It just bugs me when people assume all Islamic people are religious nutjobs who only care about underage marriage and bombing shit.

Either way, the guy was arrested for doing illegal stuff. That's all people need to know. Just stop trying to make this into another reason to start stupid religious flame wars.


Indeed. This thread's almost as littered in bigotry and intolerance as the highlighted deed itself. That guy knew where he was, he should or may have already known the rules of the country, and to do that was a pretty disgusting thing to do by all measures. A total shame.
MechanisT - 01.05.2014 at 23:33  
Written by King Bonzo on 30.04.2014 at 14:11

"non-educated Muslims"? Is it still an insult if it's true?


I'd put in a hat in here and say "yes", coz it isn't.
King Bonzo - 02.05.2014 at 01:50  
Written by MechanisT on 01.05.2014 at 23:33

Written by King Bonzo on 30.04.2014 at 14:11

"non-educated Muslims"? Is it still an insult if it's true?


I'd put in a hat in here and say "yes", coz it isn't.


......wut?
MechanisT - 02.05.2014 at 01:54  
Written by King Bonzo on 02.05.2014 at 01:50

......wut?


A. Exactly.
B. Forgive me for responding to your pseudo-witty attempts at trying to pigeonhole muslims as automatically being uneducated. I hope you feel much better now with that out of your system.
C. I know you are but what am I?

Take your pick.
King Bonzo - 02.05.2014 at 02:13  
Written by MechanisT on 02.05.2014 at 01:54

Written by King Bonzo on 02.05.2014 at 01:50

......wut?


A. Exactly.
B. Forgive me for responding to your pseudo-witty attempts at trying to pigeonhole muslims as automatically being uneducated. I hope you feel much better now with that out of your system.
C. I know you are but what am I?

Take your pick.


But your response made no sense, it wasn't even clear what point you were trying to make. Something about hats?

Feel free to try again.

Also if asking if something can be both true and an insult pigeonholes an entire religion, then said religion is in dire straits.
deadone - 02.05.2014 at 02:16  
If a Muslim was flipping off Westerners and making daft comments about Christianity and was arrested then people would be jumping up and down about daft Christian based laws.

Religion is something that's generally not tolerated by a lot of Westerners who are increasingly secular hence we take offence to such religious based laws.

As for anti-Islam, well we've been at war with Muslims since 1993 (1st World Trade Centre bombing) and there is increasing cultural dischord and tension between Muslims (especially migrants) and non-Muslims in Western countries.

So of course one expects to find a fair bit of anti-Islamic rhetoric on a mainly Western website.

Similarly one see a lot of anti-Western rhetoric on predominantly Islamic websites (and I regularly visit several English language websites about Pakistani and Iranian military developments).
MechanisT - 02.05.2014 at 02:19  
Written by King Bonzo on 02.05.2014 at 02:13

But your response made no sense, it wasn't even clear what point you were trying to make. Something about hats?

Feel free to try again.

Also if asking if something can be both true and an insult pigeonholes an entire religion, then said religion is in dire straits.


It isn't rocket science. Being muslim and being uneducated are not universally mutually inclusive.
To justify your hate using incorrect statements is, by anyone's account, unethical. That's the whole point. I'm sure there're harder targets for witty remarks, IF you were trying to act smart. If you were just asking, then the answer to your inquiry was a common-sense laden "no, it's not true at all."
MechanisT - 02.05.2014 at 02:26  
Written by deadone on 02.05.2014 at 02:16

If a Muslim was flipping off Westerners and making daft comments about Christianity and was arrested then people would be jumping up and down about daft Christian based laws.

Religion is something that's generally not tolerated by a lot of Westerners who are increasingly secular hence we take offence to such religious based laws.

As for anti-Islam, well we've been at war with Muslims since 1993 (1st World Trade Centre bombing) and there is increasing cultural dischord and tension between Muslims (especially migrants) and non-Muslims in Western countries.

So of course one expects to find a fair bit of anti-Islamic rhetoric on a mainly Western website.

Similarly one see a lot of anti-Western rhetoric on predominantly Islamic websites (and I regularly visit several English language websites about Pakistani and Iranian military developments).


What IS isn't how it necessarily SHOULD be. Is it proper to imitate deplorable acts to "exact revenge" or whatever? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, the last time I heard.
War with muslims? You think there's a war going on with 20% of earth's inhabitants? wut say you
Discord and tension is a two-way street. it's a feedback system. This is the natural outcome of "for us, against us" scenario, which shouldn't exist in the first place.
King Bonzo - 02.05.2014 at 02:31  
Written by MechanisT on 02.05.2014 at 02:19


It isn't rocket science. Being muslim and being uneducated are not universally mutually inclusive.
To justify your hate using incorrect statements is, by anyone's account, unethical. That's the whole point. I'm sure there're harder targets for witty remarks, IF you were trying to act smart. If you were just asking, then the answer to your inquiry was a common-sense laden "no, it's not true at all."


I didn't say it was true and nor did I ask if the "uneducated muslims" comment was true. What I asked, if you re-read it, was: could be considered an insult IF it was true.

What you're doing is attaching a ton of perceived context to my words. You're seeing what I wrote, filtering it through your own subconscious, and interpreting it as something that offends you. All you're doing is looking for something to be offended by in my words, and when you find nothing valid, you presuming some double meaning on my part.

Effectively you WANT to be offended so you can get all snarky and attempt a witty retort to a comment that wouldn't have caused offence to anyone with enough confidence and maturity to read it objectively.

Using words like "hate", "unethical" and "witty" shows you are offended by my question. As all offence is subjective this means it is your own doing. If you're offended by my question, which you definitely seem to be, you've no one to blame but yourself.
MechanisT - 02.05.2014 at 02:38  
Written by King Bonzo on 02.05.2014 at 02:31

Written by MechanisT on 02.05.2014 at 02:19


It isn't rocket science. Being muslim and being uneducated are not universally mutually inclusive.
To justify your hate using incorrect statements is, by anyone's account, unethical. That's the whole point. I'm sure there're harder targets for witty remarks, IF you were trying to act smart. If you were just asking, then the answer to your inquiry was a common-sense laden "no, it's not true at all."


I didn't say it was true and nor did I ask if the "uneducated muslims" comment was true. What I asked, if you re-read it, was: could be considered an insult IF it was true.

What you're doing is attaching a ton of perceived context to my words. You're seeing what I wrote, filtering it through your own subconscious, and interpreting it as something that offends you. All you're doing is looking for something to be offended by in my words, and when you find nothing valid, you presuming some double meaning on my part.

Effectively you WANT to be offended so you can get all snarky and attempt a witty retort to a comment that wouldn't have caused offence to anyone with enough confidence and maturity to read it objectively.

Using words like "hate", "unethical" and "witty" shows you are offended by my question. As all offence is subjective this means it is your own doing. If you're offended by my question, which you definitely seem to be, you've no one to blame but yourself.



The way you said it implied that the above statement was an oxymoron. I'll take your word on it that it wasn't malicious, and there weren't any underlying sub-texts involved, in which case I accept that as my own failure to comprehend and apologize for the misunderstanding.
King Bonzo - 02.05.2014 at 02:41  
Written by MechanisT on 02.05.2014 at 02:38

They way you said it implied that the above statement was an oxymoron. I'll take your word on it that it wasn't malicious, and there weren't any underlying sub-texts involved, in which case I accept that as my own failure to comprehend and apologize for the misunderstanding.


Try and be a little more objective in future.

For the record I think it's pretty clear the vast majority of muslims are uneducated in many ways, but then so is the vast majority of mankind so you can take solace in that.... or maybe you'll find it depressing.
MechanisT - 02.05.2014 at 02:45  
Written by King Bonzo on 02.05.2014 at 02:41

Written by MechanisT on 02.05.2014 at 02:38

They way you said it implied that the above statement was an oxymoron. I'll take your word on it that it wasn't malicious, and there weren't any underlying sub-texts involved, in which case I accept that as my own failure to comprehend and apologize for the misunderstanding.


Try and be a little more objective in future.

For the record I think it's pretty clear the vast majority of muslims are uneducated in many ways, but then so is the vast majority of mankind so you can take solace in that.... or maybe you'll find it depressing.


I would if allowed to.
I don't find the lack of education depressing, but the real-life application and impact of it in everyday life. Then again, you can be qualified and still be malicious.
deadone - 02.05.2014 at 02:49  
Written by MechanisT on 02.05.2014 at 02:26


What IS isn't how it necessarily SHOULD be. Is it proper to imitate deplorable acts to "exact revenge" or whatever? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, the last time I heard.



The way it SHOULD be is the way it will NEVER be. The "End of History" and "Post Modern" world with all their don't really work. We're heading back towards state based conflict in Europe and Asia and increased Islamisation in a lot of parts of the world (e.g. Brunei adopting brutal Shari Law, growth of Muslim Brotherhood etc). The multinational organisations ala UN have failed and multinational initiatives ala global free trade or greater integration of EU have stalled or failed.

War and conflict and distrust of the different is human nature.

Quote:
War with muslims? You think there's a war going on with 20% of earth's inhabitants? wut say you


Yes it's a low level war. Look at just about everywhere where Muslims live with non-Muslims. There is conflict. E.g. Nigeria, Central African Republic, China, India, Philippines, Indonesia. As well as Arab and Malaysian persecution of non-Muslims (or even different Islamic denominations - the undeclared Shia-Sunni conflict).

It is a two way street - e.g. attacks on Muslims in CAR or Nigeria by Christian militias or massacre of Muslims in Gujarat in India or persecution of Muslim Tartars in some parts of Russia.


Quote:
Discord and tension is a two-way street. it's a feedback system. This is the natural outcome "for us, against us" scenario, which shouldn't exist in the first place.


It exists because when it comes down to it, humans are animals with same territorial and survival instinctual urges that a pride of lions or pack of wolves displays.

One sees this even in small scale stuff - the manager protecting their budget/resource allocation (even when they don't need it), back stabbing behaviour for gain at work or in family relationships.

We can ignore survival of the fittest, but it does tend to rule us when you think about it.



In any case the drummer from the Scorpions was a bit of an idiot, even though the laws of the country are even more idiotic (and this is a rather trivial example).
MechanisT - 02.05.2014 at 03:01  
Written by deadone on 02.05.2014 at 02:49

War and conflict and distrust of the different is human nature.


The golden rule. If it's as inevitable as it sounds like, the least one can do is try to douse the fire and not flame it further.

Quote:

Yes it's a low level war. Look at just about everywhere where Muslims live with non-Muslims. There is conflict. E.g. Nigeria, Central African Republic, China, India, Philippines, Indonesia. As well as Arab and Malaysian persecution of non-Muslims (or even different Islamic denominations - the undeclared Shia-Sunni conflict).

It is a two way street - e.g. attacks on Muslims in CAR or Nigeria by Christian militias or massacre of Muslims in Gujarat in India or persecution of Muslim Tartars in some parts of Russia.


Yeah but is it really how it should be? On the basis of religion alone? There shouldn't be any grouping in the first place. I don't think the vast majority are all that black/white. It's the bad apples from every denominations that are responsible, and hardly the majority. Not even condoning said parties, contrary to popular belief.

Quote:


It exists because when it comes down to it, humans are animals with same territorial and survival instinctual urges that a pride of lions or pack of wolves displays.

One sees this even in small scale stuff - the manager protecting their budget/resource allocation (even when they don't need it), back stabbing behaviour for gain at work or in family relationships.

We can ignore survival of the fittest, but it does tend to rule us when you think about it.



In any case the drummer from the Scorpions was a bit of an idiot, even though the laws of the country are even more idiotic (and this is a rather trivial example).


If it was solely that, then the no. of humans inhabiting this planet would be much less, if it was an endless cycle of competing for resources and superiority, don't you think? That's just one way to look at it. As for laws; there's holocaust denial in some countries, headscarf banning in others. I wouldn't know which ones are the most outlandish, given the HDI and other ratings. Not using that as an excuse but still.
deadone - 02.05.2014 at 04:33  
Written by MechanisT on 02.05.2014 at 03:01

Yeah but is it really how it should be? On the basis of religion alone? There shouldn't be any grouping in the first place. I don't think the vast majority are all that black/white. It's the bad apples from every denominations that are responsible, and hardly the majority. Not even condoning said parties, contrary to popular belief.


I don't think it's just the bad apples.

Most common people tend to follow whatever the powers that be dictate should be either because they partly/wholly believe it or out of fear (not only persecution but social exclusion and fear from being seen as being different) or due to personal interests.


I dunno if you've seen the movie the Book Thief, but it's a great portrayal of how ordinary people get involved in supporting quite nasty things due to above factors.



Oh and in the case of Dubai the bad apples are the ruling elite that have some horrific and bizarre Sharia based laws and also treat workers from the third world like human excrement.

It gets even worse in Saudi Arabia.



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If it was solely that, then the no. of humans inhabiting this planet would be much less, if it was an endless cycle of competing for resources and superiority, don't you think?


Actually it's that endless cycle of competing for resources that has made the human race what it is today - quest for empire, for quest wealth, quest for religious converts and quest for furthering one's own group of people over others.

It all supports the notion of survival of the fittest quite well.
MechanisT - 02.05.2014 at 07:28  
Written by deadone on 02.05.2014 at 04:33

Written by MechanisT on 02.05.2014 at 03:01

Yeah but is it really how it should be? On the basis of religion alone? There shouldn't be any grouping in the first place. I don't think the vast majority are all that black/white. It's the bad apples from every denominations that are responsible, and hardly the majority. Not even condoning said parties, contrary to popular belief.


I don't think it's just the bad apples.

Most common people tend to follow whatever the powers that be dictate should be either because they partly/wholly believe it or out of fear (not only persecution but social exclusion and fear from being seen as being different) or due to personal interests.


I dunno if you've seen the movie the Book Thief, but it's a great portrayal of how ordinary people get involved in supporting quite nasty things due to above factors.



Oh and in the case of Dubai the bad apples are the ruling elite that have some horrific and bizarre Sharia based laws and also treat workers from the third world like human excrement.

It gets even worse in Saudi Arabia.



Quote:

If it was solely that, then the no. of humans inhabiting this planet would be much less, if it was an endless cycle of competing for resources and superiority, don't you think?


Actually it's that endless cycle of competing for resources that has made the human race what it is today - quest for empire, for quest wealth, quest for religious converts and quest for furthering one's own group of people over others.

It all supports the notion of survival of the fittest quite well.


I haven't seen it yet no, but I guess I will. And to me, survival of the fittest would imply that people will always need a scapegoat, any scapegoat, as an outlet to vent their negativity. If that's the case, then any chances of reconciliation are grim indeed. That goes for either sides, mind you. I can see where you're coming from with this but at the same time I don't quite agree in the sense that people do have the reasoning power to not succumb to instinctual urges, and many a times it's the latter that's used as an umbrella term to justify anything/everything that's being done, which again I don't agree with. Two wrongs cannot and will not make a right, not in the bigger picture of things coz ultimately, neither are going to drive each other extinct, so might as well get along sans petty prejudices and bitterness.
deadone - 02.05.2014 at 07:57  
Written by MechanisT on 02.05.2014 at 07:28


I haven't seen it yet no, but I guess I will. And to me, survival of the fittest would imply that people will always need a scapegoat, any scapegoat, as an outlet to vent their negativity. If that's the case, then any chances of reconciliation are grim indeed. That goes for either sides, mind you.


The scapegoats are there and always have been: pagans, Jews, immigrants, ethnic Chinese in SE Asia, neighbouring countries, communists, capitalists, Trotskyite counter revolutionaries, terrorists, African Americans, white Americans, hippies, homosexuals, gypsies, non-Muslims, non-Christians, non-Hindus, Israel, Serbs in Croatia, right wingers, left wingers, unions, bosses, workers, the EU, NATO, USSR, IMF, WTO, UN, blah blah blah.


It all depends on what you're trying to promote and achieve.


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I can see where you're coming from with this but at the same time I don't quite agree in the sense that people do have the reasoning power to not succumb to instinctual urges, and many a times it's the latter that's used as an umbrella term to justify anything/everything that's being done, which again I don't agree with. Two wrongs cannot and will not make a right, not in the bigger picture of things coz ultimately, neither are going to drive each other extinct, so might as well get along sans petty prejudices and bitterness.


Fair points, but human history shows it's mere sentiment and lip service. If people used "reasoning" not to succumb to instinctual urges, wars would never happen, poverty wouldn't exist and the world would be a far greater place.


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Back to the case:

http://www.thenational.ae/uae/courts/uae-alcohol-law-conviction-of-scorpions-drummer-raises-questions

http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/editorial/time-for-the-uaes-liquor-law-to-catch-up-to-reality

He was convicted of drinking alcohol without a licence even though he was on an international flight whilst he was consuming it. That''s fucking madness.

Even more mad is a push to ban alcohol consumption on flights transiting through the country.

It'll be theIr loss when airlines transit through somewhere else (personally I transit through Thailand. I don't even drink on flights but refuse to support Islamist dictatorships by flying through them).


Tonight I will raise my wine glass in honour of James Kottaks and indeed all of humanity's right to drink booze (under 18s excluded of course).
J. N. - 02.05.2014 at 18:04  
Written by LeChron James on 01.05.2014 at 06:11
Sweet arm sleeves, bro. I'd arrest him just for those.

"Scorpions - Drummer Arrested For Wearing Ugly Arm Sleeves In Public"
theFIST - 03.05.2014 at 17:33  
Written by deadone on 02.05.2014 at 02:16

As for anti-Islam, well we've been at war with Muslims since 1993 (1st World Trade Centre bombing)

no, the intervention in the middle east had been going on before that already
Paw!! - 03.05.2014 at 19:19  
Boriiiiiiingggggggggggggg
Karlabos - 05.05.2014 at 02:55  
deadone - 05.05.2014 at 03:01  
Written by Karlabos on 05.05.2014 at 02:55





Ha! Enjoy it before it gets deleted!


I wonder if snake is a muslim hence got offended by my initial relatively on-topic post...even though it meant no disrespect towards muslims or any other race or religion.
deadone - 05.05.2014 at 04:54  
Written by theFIST on 03.05.2014 at 17:33

Written by deadone on 02.05.2014 at 02:16

As for anti-Islam, well we've been at war with Muslims since 1993 (1st World Trade Centre bombing)

no, the intervention in the middle east had been going on before that already



True. One could go as far the Crusades or even earlier, to the Muslim invasion of Spain. They managed to foray as north as near Tours in France in 732 AD.

M C Vice - 05.05.2014 at 10:38  
Written by deadone on 05.05.2014 at 04:54

Written by theFIST on 03.05.2014 at 17:33

Written by deadone on 02.05.2014 at 02:16

As for anti-Islam, well we've been at war with Muslims since 1993 (1st World Trade Centre bombing)

no, the intervention in the middle east had been going on before that already



True. One could go as far the Crusades or even earlier, to the Muslim invasion of Spain. They managed to foray as north as near Tours in France in 732 AD.


Rome occupied Egypt for awhile, if that counts (I know Egypt isn't Middle east, but some people seem to think it is).
deadone - 06.05.2014 at 01:31  
Written by M C Vice on 05.05.2014 at 10:38


Rome occupied Egypt for awhile, if that counts (I know Egypt isn't Middle east, but some people seem to think it is).


Pre-Islam so it doesn't really count.

But it does show how people generally fuck each other over.

Part of Egypt sits in Middle East - Sinai Peninsula. We'll ignore the fact that most Egyptians don't live there!
Reverend X - 11.05.2014 at 01:25  
We should stop this rhetoric about Islam. Both sides are correct. Nobody have step on each others shoes. One sees the world as blue the other is red

The bottom line is... He is acting stupid in a place that is not his home turf.

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