Some metalheads are the most sensitive little crybabies I've ever seen. Jesus.

Again those lunatic animal rights groups seek to impose their PC perceptions upon others. These kinds of movements are made up of three types of people. Vegans or vegetarians, people that pride themselves that they eat only fruits and vegetables (although some of them are closet meat lovers) who refuse to realize that the high standard of living in the countries they live allows them to be picky with their food. I mean, can you be a vegan in 3rd world country with 5$ a month income? Don't know, just asking. The second type is the emotional unstable, hypocritical people, who eat meat, but faint when they see how an animal is treated before ending up on his/her plate. These people usually have the emotional resistance of a 10 year old brat. And finally, the third category, swindlers, charlatans, people that profit from a situation, or from other people's beliefs (like the guy Heri mentioned) for money and power while they do not give a shit about animal rights.

The guy explained that the whale has been killed 2 days BEFORE he went there and he only went there to harvest some meat. Not for money, but for personal consumption. It is like me going to the market and buying 5 or 10 kilos of beef meat for familial consumption, only that this guy went directly to the source, not to a market. Does that mean I slaughtered the animal myself? No. Furthermore, the people of Faeroe Islands respect the international regulations regarding whale hunt.

I condemn hunting and slaughtering of animals FOR FUN. But I can't condemn people that do it to put food on the table, to earn an income that allows them to put food on the table, or for feeding me. Because I like meat, I eat it so I have no right to criticize those who make it available for me to buy. Nobody in this world, including vegans, have the right to criticize people for eating meat or hunting animals for meat, as long as they do it for fun, like some alpha-male idiots such as James Hetfield or Ted Nugent. These guys hunt for fun, which is worth criticizing. They do not do it for a living because they have enough financial power to buy their food instead of hunting it. Heri makes a valid point when he says that millions of animals get slaughtered in slaughterhouses where conditions are usually way worse (very few respect some minimal regulations in reality).

Written by ManiacBlasphemer on 03.10.2016 at 14:34


The guy explained that the whale has been killed 2 days BEFORE he went there and he only went there to harvest some meat. Not for money, but for personal consumption. It is like me going to the market and buying 5 or 10 kilos of beef meat for familial consumption, only that this guy went directly to the source, not to a market. Does that mean I slaughtered the animal myself? No. Furthermore, the people of Faeroe Islands respect the international regulations regarding whale hunt.

I condemn hunting and slaughtering of animals FOR FUN. But I can't condemn people that do it to put food on the table, to earn an income that allows them to put food on the table, or for feeding me. Because I like meat, I eat it so I have no right to criticize those who make it available for me to buy. Nobody in this world, including vegans, have the right to criticize people for eating meat or hunting animals for meat, as long as they do it for fun, like some alpha-male idiots such as James Hetfield or Ted Nugent. These guys hunt for fun, which is worth criticizing. They do not do it for a living because they have enough financial power to buy their food instead of hunting it. Heri makes a valid point when he says that millions of animals get slaughtered in slaughterhouses where conditions are usually way worse (very few respect some minimal regulations in reality).

Take a look at their popularity index:


Hilarious

Stupid. There's absolutely no valid reason to take offense to this more than with how your regular steak is made. The spreading of misinformation about this particular issue is frustrating to see exploding every single fucking year in the name of, ironically, awareness. Wake up, people.

What a bunch of whales.

I really like what Heri said. I hunt and have raised animals for meat back when I was a kid on a farm. I can relate.

Reading Heris comments and the comments of the users here i feel a little bit ashamed of being part of the metal community.

Heris Comment shows that he simply doesn't understand why there is such a ruckus. Nobody cares about songs about violence - nobody would care if you would work in a butchery and made photos of himself butchering pigs. The problem here simply is that Whales are extremely endangered and some of them are close to extinction. Almost all countries in the world - even those that mainly think about themselves like the USA - agree that Whale hunting is an absolute no-go.

Pretty much the only countries world-wide who see that differently are Norway, Japan, the Faroe Islands and Island. And those are criticised a lot (and for very good reasons!) for it, this topic is a constant point of friction within the EU and even world-wide against Japan.

Fact is, the absolute majority of the world has - wisely - decided that Whaling is not to be tolerated. Making a photograph of yourself cutting meat out of a whale thus obviously creates an outrage - and that is not because people are "crybabies" or whatever else some people in this thread call them, it's because we realize that Whales are endangered and need the moratorium on whale-hunting to regenerate and every nation who still hunts them simply acts barbaric.

As for those who say "He eats it, so it's okay". No, it is not. There are literally millions of alternatives to eat, even on the Faroe Islands. Nobody "needs" whale meat to survive. Would you seriously say the same about people eating some of the rarest animals in the world, like Bengal tigers? Sure, if you are starving and your only chance to survive is to hunt and eat a highly endangered species - no problem with that! But we are not talking about some third-world country here, where hunger really is a problem and the alternatives are spare...

To those who bring "tradition" into that - shove it! There are tons of really, really terrible traditions that have to be fought on a daily basis. Misogyny, FGM, beating children, racism, honor killings and stuff like that. Hunting endangered species is one of those traditions that simply have to rest in a modern world. You can keep that tradition alive in museums and whatever else you use to teach people about past times, but you simply can't continue to "live it".

Written by DaggettBeaver on 04.10.2016 at 00:00


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Traditions exist for a reason (old beliefs that once helped the tribe/nation to stay alive, and once the danger is gone then to help future generations remember that time) and if you want to tell any nation how to live you're the biggest a**hole the world has ever seen. No offense but this is what I believe. Obviously each and every tradition has to be used with care and bearing in mind the possible effects it has on others and the environment. The guy's post is exactly representing that. Fishing for profit is a different story.

Any fish in generally has more nutritional value than the legged representatives on earth. The very best source of omega fats to your cells is fish, usually the bigger the better. I'm pretty sure the amount of meat he got there was still better priced than if he'd go for the canned version.

About extinction, this is a fact of the world, it happened to possibly millions of species and will continue to happen. Not all from human hand. The bigger animal eats the smaller, this is how life on Earth worked before any of us were conceived. With technology in hand, now we are the bigger animals. So far we know, always.

The very fact that people are dumber in general nowadays because they abandon both tradition and history. We barely care for our ancestors anymore. These hand in hand supposed to serve people to learn from the past. And we don't do it. Museums seekers are not on the rise, unless it's about famous art or some other bs that has the teaching value of 0. Current young generations are growing up with childlike minds who think war is fun, if you do what everybody does then everything will be taken care of, money and fame matters above all, and if you disagree or you have a disability you should die. And that is damn wrong.

Written by qlacs on 04.10.2016 at 01:20

Written by DaggettBeaver on 04.10.2016 at 00:00


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Any fish in generally has more nutritional value than the legged representatives on earth. The very best source of omega fats to your cells is fish, usually the bigger the better. I'm pretty sure the amount of meat he got there was still better priced than if he'd go for the canned version.

About extinction, this is a fact of the world, it happened to possibly millions of species and will continue to happen. Not all from human hand. The bigger animal eats the smaller, this is how life on Earth worked before any of us were conceived. With technology in hand, now we are the bigger animals. So far we know, always..

Two points relating to paragraphs:

1. Whales aren't fish. They are mammals.
2. Extinction does happen naturally so we should let it happen naturally. Currently we are in, and the cause of, a mass extinction in the history of the earth. We've already wiped out enough animals, I'd rather we stopped. Just because we did it in the past doesn't mean it's ok for it to keep happening. There are lots of things that we've done in the past that shouldn't ever be repeated. Overhunting animals to extinction is certainly one of them. Lots of eecosystems that humans don't inhabit are balanced precariously, and there is no reason at all to interfere.

And as for your traditions,well, I'm all for keeping traditions. I enjoy haggis and ceilidh dancing. But some traditions shouldn't remain, no matter what you say. Would you defend slavery in the name of tradition? Would you defend forced marriage in the name of tradition?

I'm fine with tradition, but if it infringes on the basic rights of another then no thanks. As for this tradition, if there is practically no waste of materials and they let the whale populations regrow between culls, then I see no issue. But I don't know enough about it.

Written by DaggettBeaver on 04.10.2016 at 00:00

Heris Comment shows that he simply doesn't understand why there is such a ruckus. Nobody cares about songs about violence - nobody would care if you would work in a butchery and made photos of himself butchering pigs. The problem here simply is that Whales are extremely endangered and some of them are close to extinction. Almost all countries in the world - even those that mainly think about themselves like the USA - agree that Whale hunting is an absolute no-go.

Pretty much the only countries world-wide who see that differently are Norway, Japan, the Faroe Islands and Island. And those are criticised a lot (and for very good reasons!) for it, this topic is a constant point of friction within the EU and even world-wide against Japan.

Fact is, the absolute majority of the world has - wisely - decided that Whaling is not to be tolerated. Making a photograph of yourself cutting meat out of a whale thus obviously creates an outrage - and that is not because people are "crybabies" or whatever else some people in this thread call them, it's because we realize that Whales are endangered and need the moratorium on whale-hunting to regenerate and every nation who still hunts them simply acts barbaric.

That's why there is a convention to regulate whaling (or more like, making it non commercial), and in case some countries decided not sign it, they have established their own quotas for "sustainability" (whether the fixed figures are really sustainable is another question...).
Incidently, all the countries who have problems with all the anti-whaling campaigns are those who rely heavily on it (those that "see it differently" you say. Obviously they do for a reason!). Of course a country like Italy doesn't mind banning whaling. They never depended on whales, and never will. But from geographical/industrial point of view, Iceland or Faroe Island are going to consider the ban unfair because it directly affects them. Humans tend to make usage of all natural ressources (live or not) in their surroundings. Whales happen to be a ressource for some countries by location, just like humans in other countries exploit other animals in their area. And whaling has gone down immensely ever since the local economies no longer depend on it as heavily, so it adapts to the demand.

And I find much less barbaric to kill a whale in it's natural habitat (free in the ocean/sea) for non-commercial-personal-consumption reasons than to go to the super market and buy some chicken that's been bred in some ruthless slaughterhouse in disgusting conditions and that never had any other finality than being cruelly slaughtered without consideration. People have different standards, I guess.

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As for those who say "He eats it, so it's okay". No, it is not. There are literally millions of alternatives to eat, even on the Faroe Islands. Nobody "needs" whale meat to survive. Would you seriously say the same about people eating some of the rarest animals in the world, like Bengal tigers? Sure, if you are starving and your only chance to survive is to hunt and eat a highly endangered species - no problem with that! But we are not talking about some third-world country here, where hunger really is a problem and the alternatives are spare...

If you stretch that argument a little more, everyone in first world countries should be a vegan. For why should we exploit and slaughter innocent animals if we have other ressources? Is it fine to kill pigs because they are being exploited by millions (through human action for human profit) and thus will not be "endangered"? But whaling with quotas for non-commercial purpose is bad??
Oh and if we get all pesky about unnecessary deaths, I guess all the killing linked to noise pollution and sea waste (both much much worse than whaling) should be enfuriating too. And the massive desforestations. And the poles melting. Humans are always going to be toxic to the environment, and I think there are more urgent matters for the environment than hunting whales already under some strict regulation. Yet for some reason (probably the "cute animal syndrome"), whales or dolphins are always going to cause an uproar but no one gives a flying fuck about that poor bluefin tuna coz it's just a stupid fish.
Wannabe conservationist should be look down on if they are incapable of seeing the bigger picture and practice what they preach (which might not be your case, no personal judging here, but most people are that pathetic, unfortunately).

Written by DaggettBeaver on 04.10.2016 at 00:00

Reading Heris comments and the comments of the users here i feel a little bit ashamed of being part of the metal community.

Heris Comment shows that he simply doesn't understand why there is such a ruckus. Nobody cares about songs about violence - nobody would care if you would work in a butchery and made photos of himself butchering pigs. The problem here simply is that Whales are extremely endangered and some of them are close to extinction. Almost all countries in the world - even those that mainly think about themselves like the USA - agree that Whale hunting is an absolute no-go.

Pretty much the only countries world-wide who see that differently are Norway, Japan, the Faroe Islands and Island. And those are criticised a lot (and for very good reasons!) for it, this topic is a constant point of friction within the EU and even world-wide against Japan.

Fact is, the absolute majority of the world has - wisely - decided that Whaling is not to be tolerated. Making a photograph of yourself cutting meat out of a whale thus obviously creates an outrage - and that is not because people are "crybabies" or whatever else some people in this thread call them, it's because we realize that Whales are endangered and need the moratorium on whale-hunting to regenerate and every nation who still hunts them simply acts barbaric.

As for those who say "He eats it, so it's okay". No, it is not. There are literally millions of alternatives to eat, even on the Faroe Islands. Nobody "needs" whale meat to survive. Would you seriously say the same about people eating some of the rarest animals in the world, like Bengal tigers? Sure, if you are starving and your only chance to survive is to hunt and eat a highly endangered species - no problem with that! But we are not talking about some third-world country here, where hunger really is a problem and the alternatives are spare...

To those who bring "tradition" into that - shove it! There are tons of really, really terrible traditions that have to be fought on a daily basis. Misogyny, FGM, beating children, racism, honor killings and stuff like that. Hunting endangered species is one of those traditions that simply have to rest in a modern world. You can keep that tradition alive in museums and whatever else you use to teach people about past times, but you simply can't continue to "live it".

Dude... This is the Faroe Islands... It's landscape is pretty damn inhospitable and it has an insanely low population. I can understand and even support banning whaling in the EU and countries like Japan but I don't see the big deal with letting Faroe continue whale hunting when he cites stats that say their whaling only takes out .1% - well under the maximum mark for sustainability - of the whale population and the islands are pretty damn bleak when it comes to food production.

Veganism/Vegetarianism are luxuries of living in a 1st-world society.
The realities of most of the world are that the easiest source of vital protein comes from meat, and the easiest source of meat is whatever animal is readily available. Whaling in the Faroes is completely sustainable and respectful of the animals, as it has been for centuries. I guarantee almost none of the people who are rallying up the boycott of the band were even fans of Týr to begin with. They're just busybodies with nothing better to do than organize a pointless boycott of a band's music, which has absolutely nothing to do with the traditional food and hunting practices of one of its members. F*****g idiots.

Written by Doge of Venice on 04.10.2016 at 01:43


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I indeed overlooked that they are mammals. Anyhow, I think when I said "with care and knowing the effect is has on others" that stands for both against mass hunting and genuinely bad traditions. They however should be inducted in the mind of youngsters with the message of how wrong they are.

These animals right groups, vegetarian and vegans people reminds me somehow of those religious people who try to convert all the world to their religion. Get a life people.

Btw the whales they hunt ONCE a year on the Faroer islands aren't an endangered subspecies of whale.

Where's the outrage over crocs being harvested for their skin?

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 03.10.2016 at 14:43

Written by ManiacBlasphemer on 03.10.2016 at 14:34


The guy explained that the whale has been killed 2 days BEFORE he went there and he only went there to harvest some meat. Not for money, but for personal consumption. It is like me going to the market and buying 5 or 10 kilos of beef meat for familial consumption, only that this guy went directly to the source, not to a market. Does that mean I slaughtered the animal myself? No. Furthermore, the people of Faeroe Islands respect the international regulations regarding whale hunt.

I condemn hunting and slaughtering of animals FOR FUN. But I can't condemn people that do it to put food on the table, to earn an income that allows them to put food on the table, or for feeding me. Because I like meat, I eat it so I have no right to criticize those who make it available for me to buy. Nobody in this world, including vegans, have the right to criticize people for eating meat or hunting animals for meat, as long as they do it for fun, like some alpha-male idiots such as James Hetfield or Ted Nugent. These guys hunt for fun, which is worth criticizing. They do not do it for a living because they have enough financial power to buy their food instead of hunting it. Heri makes a valid point when he says that millions of animals get slaughtered in slaughterhouses where conditions are usually way worse (very few respect some minimal regulations in reality).

absolutely agree with you.
We are animals, predators, and isn´t a bad thing hunt for EAT

Whoever complains about this annual cultural activity is either a hypocrite or just a big whinny bitch, imo.