NOTICE: Impending Truncation Of Suggestions List


Dear fellow Metal Stormers,

We have decided to take the bold step of slashing our Suggestions list into tiny ribbons. Rest assured that this is not because we don't care about what you have to say - on the contrary, it's because the list has become so cluttered and unwieldy over years of accumulation that we feel it no longer serves as an accurate measure of which bands our users care about. As far as we know, the list has never been emptied since its institution; many bands that somehow acquire enough votes to make it to the "Top Suggestions" list are now defunct, or they were suggested by a now-inactive user, or we find that their profiles don't attract a lot of activity once added. We've had the occasional case of fraudulent vote-boosting by bands that don't meet our requirements, as well as duplicate suggestions of bands that have already been submitted to the list (or added to the site) with slight misspellings or variations; the place is kind of a mess. And as it says in the FAQs, our goal is not to feature every single metal band out there - we just don't have the manpower to maintain a database the size of the Metal Archives, so knowing which bands our users will actually pay attention to is important for the direction of our efforts.

Don't worry; the Suggestions feature isn't going anywhere. We won't even be deleting the whole list - we settled on every suggested band below ID#11111 because it leaves us with a semi-manageable pool of recent suggestions (and for the metal meme). If you suggested a band within the last couple of years, it should still be there once the ax has fallen. If your suggestion was deleted, you may submit it again (assuming the band meets our requirements). This action is just to get rid of the massive glut of suggestions that have been languishing for years and whose omission will not rankle the feathers of many current users.

Of course, we must accept some amount of blame for allowing the quality of the list to deteriorate so; you don't get to 250 pages of unheeded suggestions by being attentive and thorough. Part of our purpose in deleting all these suggestions is to make the list a little easier to handle for ourselves and a little more representative of what people actively want to see. Unfortunately, we don't always have a reliable supply of contributors with time on their hands to add these bands, track down the necessary information, and build complete, respectable profiles, which is why bands get added irregularly.

Consider this, therefore, an invitation to all MS users to participate in the database-building process. If you get a notification that a band you voted for has been added, we would appreciate it if you took some time to fill out their profile yourself (discography, lineup, links, images, ketchup, mustard, pickles, the works). Some of you have figured out that the easiest way to get a band added is to link it in the ShoutBox instead of going through the formal process, or sending a PM to a staff member; we can set up a shell profile in no time at all, but it lightens the load on us if you volunteer to find all that information. If you don't have enough community points to submit edits by yourself, your submissions will have to be checked by the staff before going through, but any extra effort that you can save us will go a long way in procuring the addition of bands you want to see on Metal Storm. After all, there are only a few of us here in MS Towers, and we can't manage the thousands of bands in our database and the thousands more in the Suggestions list alone.

With all that said, please keep a few things in mind:

- Whenever you make edits to the database, you should provide a source; if your edits have to go through the proofreading queue, a source is a must for us to check your work, but even if you have all the permissions you need, providing a source is still recommended in case we have to fix something or find a disputing piece of data.

- You should all know this by now, but it warrants saying over and over again: only official sources are acceptable. Official websites, social media pages belonging to the band or label, press releases, published band interviews - these are the types of sources we will accept. The Metal Archives is not an official source and their profiles are often filled with errors. Wikipedia is not an official source. If you learn of something through another news outlet, try to track the story to its official origins. If you use Blabbermouth as a source for making database edits, you might as well be submitting edits with crayons and a typewriter.

- Once again, we have no intention of featuring every metal band that has ever released an album; we prioritize maintaining our current database over expanding it, so even with our refurbished Suggestions list, submitting something doesn't guarantee addition. Sometimes we decide that a band doesn't meet our standards of inclusion; sometimes we just don't have the time to worry about the list. Like everything else on MS, the Suggestions list is a kind of balancing act for us.

We will be dropping the hammer on June 1st. You don't necessarily have to do anything in the next week; if your suggestions were recent, they will still be there, and you can always resubmit a suggestion that was deleted; there will be less competition now, so that suggestion will be a little more likely to attract attention. In all likelihood, the list will grow back to an inordinate size in no time at all, but hopefully we'll be able to keep more of a lid on it with our powers combined this time.

- Love,

The Metal Storm Staff
 
Posted: 25.05.2020 by ScreamingSteelUS


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25.05.2020 - 13:46
Bad English
Tage Westerlund
This is good, I think suggestions should be cleane time to time, because many users dont shows up, many think we will fix the thing, dont even give ffot and read our explanation why x was rejected. Many band database is dead, out of date, line up is not complete, even big bands and so on.

I think trusties shoulkd go before, if I know x user will fix , let him, otherwise no.

In many years ago I did check every band, fix links, years, stryle, img and so on, and it tock me years, even old bands for revievs, some french bands google did not knew so well, fix it was hard. I like see things perfect and I like what you're doing,
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25.05.2020 - 15:42
MetalManic
Good
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25.05.2020 - 17:16
theFIST
Will there be a notification if a suggested/voted for band is struck from the list?
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Written by Warman on 07.11.2007 at 22:39
Haha, that's like saying "compose your own Metal album and upload it here, instead of writing a review of an album". :lol:
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25.05.2020 - 17:31
RaduP
CertifiedHipster
Written by theFIST on 25.05.2020 at 17:16

Will there be a notification if a suggested/voted for band is struck from the list?

I highly doubt it
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25.05.2020 - 17:39
ScreamingSteelUS
Editor-in-Chief
Written by theFIST on 25.05.2020 at 17:16

Will there be a notification if a suggested/voted for band is struck from the list?

I don't believe that deleting a band from the list triggers an automatic notification in the way that adding a band does. It may be different since the deletion will be done via the back end of the site rather than the front, but I wouldn't count on it. Every suggestion made since early 2018 will still be there, however, and you can always search for a band to see whether the entry is still there.
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25.05.2020 - 18:36
Cynic Metalhead
Atrocious Virgin
Written by Bad English on 25.05.2020 at 13:46

This is good, I think suggestions should be cleane time to time, because many users dont shows up, many think we will fix the thing, dont even give ffot and read our explanation why x was rejected. Many band database is dead, out of date, line up is not complete, even big bands and so on.


Exactly what Screaming already said.
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25.05.2020 - 21:17
Finally my most important suggestion will be heard::dstupid:
The Brothers Johnson - death grips for the little ones
Skillet - trve kvlt gospel metal
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25.05.2020 - 23:17
The Shape 1973
I had to look up what Truncation meant. Going on holiday with an elephant, nice.
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25.05.2020 - 23:36
theFIST
Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 25.05.2020 at 17:39

Every suggestion made since early 2018 will still be there, however, and you can always search for a band to see whether the entry is still there.

Ah, good
Kobong is the only earlier suggestion i strongly care about
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Written by Warman on 07.11.2007 at 22:39
Haha, that's like saying "compose your own Metal album and upload it here, instead of writing a review of an album". :lol:
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26.05.2020 - 07:57
Ball Fondlers
This isn't truncation! This is a delete with a where clause
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26.05.2020 - 08:21
RaduP
CertifiedHipster
Written by Ball Fondlers on 26.05.2020 at 07:57

This isn't truncation! This is a delete with a where clause

Well technically yes
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27.05.2020 - 15:49
Mark Ayoub
Wipe them out.....all of them.

And then for chrissakes un-blacklist Nazareth! If you can feature Evanescence and Limp Bizkit then why can't you make room for a veteran Scottish hard rock und metal band who have a larger credible legacy
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27.05.2020 - 16:06
Troy Killjoy
perfunctionist
Written by Mark Ayoub on 27.05.2020 at 15:49

And then for chrissakes un-blacklist Nazareth!

Hair of the Dog is heavier than anything a lot of bands we have featured here have released, but we can revisit the blacklist post-nuclear assault on the suggestions page. Baby steps.
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27.05.2020 - 19:46
Oracles
I recommended Age of Nemesis, eventually got approved, and then they all decided to get real jobs and put the band secondary. My bad on that mates. Still an awesome band though.
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28.05.2020 - 10:23
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Tage Westerlund
Written by Troy Killjoy on 27.05.2020 at 16:06

Written by Mark Ayoub on 27.05.2020 at 15:49

And then for chrissakes un-blacklist Nazareth!

Hair of the Dog is heavier than anything a lot of bands we have featured here have released, but we can revisit the blacklist post-nuclear assault on the suggestions page. Baby steps.

Actually i agree whit him, but same time i think that band is close but still in other side of line. Its like we can add reo speedwagon or Kansas
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28.05.2020 - 12:48
Rot Teufel
Quote:

Consider this, therefore, an invitation to all MS users to participate in the database-building process. If you get a notification that a band you voted for has been added, we would appreciate it if you took some time to fill out their profile yourself (discography, lineup, links, images, ketchup, mustard, pickles, the works).


must admit when i see one of mine suggestion added, it's the first thing i check out. MS stuff knows better than me and honestly there's really few or litelrally nothing to edit. Heck i didn't remember when i suggested Basarabian Hills (wich since it's more ambient project with some atmospheric black metal influsion i think will be never added) and some days ago i found it was accepted. Well, thanks.

PS: there's a way to know wich band i suggested in the past, or i must dig in my memory? Just to know it.
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28.05.2020 - 13:41
Troy Killjoy
perfunctionist
Written by Rot Teufel on 28.05.2020 at 12:48

PS: there's a way to know wich band i suggested in the past, or i must dig in my memory? Just to know it.

Unfortunately it's an antiquated feature that depends on your memory since there isn't a handy list or page that documents your votes -- although you could always create a list for personal purposes to track your suggestions and votes.
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28.05.2020 - 13:48
Mark Ayoub
Written by Bad English on 28.05.2020 at 10:23

Actually i agree whit him, but same time i think that band is close but still in other side of line. Its like we can add reo speedwagon or Kansas

Nazareth are way heavier that Kansas and REO. Although if you judge solely by their 80's output I see your point. Need I mention MS feature Jethro Tull, The Who and Gary Numan Influential for metalheads, yes, but metal bands they are not. Delete them from the db and I'll be less pushy about a 50 year old band with 24 albums
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28.05.2020 - 13:52
Bad English
Tage Westerlund
Written by Mark Ayoub on 28.05.2020 at 13:48

Nazareth are way heavier that Kansas and REO. Although if you judge solely by their 80's output I see your point. Need I mention MS feature Jethro Tull, The Who and Gary Numan Influential for metalheads, yes, but metal bands they are not. Delete them from the db and I'll be less pushy about a 50 year old band with 24 albums

I agree whit you but i better see them as igorrr here in ms. Imo classic bands what is heavy a bit should be here
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28.05.2020 - 13:59
RaduP
CertifiedHipster
Written by Mark Ayoub on 28.05.2020 at 13:48

Nazareth are way heavier that Kansas and REO.

Have yet to hear that be the case.
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28.05.2020 - 14:11
Mark Ayoub
Written by Bad English on 28.05.2020 at 13:52

Written by Mark Ayoub on 28.05.2020 at 13:48

Nazareth are way heavier that Kansas and REO. Although if you judge solely by their 80's output I see your point. Need I mention MS feature Jethro Tull, The Who and Gary Numan Influential for metalheads, yes, but metal bands they are not. Delete them from the db and I'll be less pushy about a 50 year old band with 24 albums

I agree whit you but i better ser them as igorrr here in ms. Imo classic bands what is heavy a bit should be here

You got me. I failed to decipher your first sentence Ironic that if I respond with my mother tongue, French, I'd feel the scythe of the MS court
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28.05.2020 - 15:16
Bad English
Tage Westerlund
Written by RaduP on 28.05.2020 at 13:59

Written by Mark Ayoub on 28.05.2020 at 13:48

Nazareth are way heavier that Kansas and REO.

Have yet to hear that be the case.

Boat are equal all has heavier, softer songs, and so on
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