Timo Tolkki's Avalon - Announce 'The Enigma Birth' Album


Coming June 18, 2021, the new studio album from Timo Tolkki's Avalon, entitled The Enigma Birth. First single coming out on April 13th. Stay tuned. Cover art and tracklist available below.


Tracklist:

01. The Enigma Birth (feat. PelleK)
02. I Just Collapse (feat. Caterina Nix and Chaos Magic)
03. Memories (feat. Caterina Nix, Brittney Slayes)
04. Master Of Hell (feat. Raphael Mendes)
05. Beautiful Lie (feat. James LaBrie)
06. Truth (feat. Jake E)
07. Another Day (feat. Marina La Torraca)
08. Beauty And War (feat. Raphael Mendes
09. Dreaming (feat. Fabio Lione)
10. The Fire And The Sinner (feat. Jake E, Brittney Slayes)
11. Time (feat. Marina La Torraca)
12. Without Fear (feat. Fabio Lione)




Source: facebook.com
Band profile: Timo Tolkki's Avalon
 
Posted: 29.03.2021 by Abattoir


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29.03.2021 - 20:44
TenebrisAlas

Well, lets wait and see, hope its good.
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29.03.2021 - 23:22
skelator

Was it ever?
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30.03.2021 - 10:06
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Tage Westerlund
Wow now he has money to pay guest artists whit out our donations, did he sold hos car or house something?
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30.03.2021 - 12:13
RaphaelThorne

Written by skelator on 29.03.2021 at 23:22

Was it ever?

Depends on your taste.
Sorry man, just saw the opportunity and I was afraid you'd think less of me if I didn't took it. But it really is a matter of opinion, though. However, in this case, we're on the same page. For me, this project only saw a couple of good songs and I'm pretty sure, in one of those two, my brain is tricking me into thinking that because of Elyse Reid's clip.

Written by Bad English on 30.03.2021 at 10:06

Wow now he has money to pay guest artists whit out our donations, did he sold hos car or house something?


Now, this is a completely new conversation.
Unfortunately, Timo Tolki's career is packed full with this kind of shady crap (do you still remember his version of Fight Club?) It really is weird how someone without money to create a multi-vocalist project is forced to abandon the idea, and suddenly appears with a multi-vocalist project fully recorded (and with the likes of James Labrie, Fabio Leone or Brittney Slayes, no less). It really does smell like he was trying to pull on something.
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30.03.2021 - 22:55
skelator

Written by RaphaelThorne on 30.03.2021 at 12:13

Written by skelator on 29.03.2021 at 23:22

Was it ever?

Depends on your taste.
Sorry man, just saw the opportunity and I was afraid you'd think less of me if I didn't took it. But it really is a matter of opinion, though. However, in this case, we're on the same page. For me, this project only saw a couple of good songs and I'm pretty sure, in one of those two, my brain is tricking me into thinking that because of Elyse Reid's clip.

Eh, Gustavo....imagine my artistic interlocutor, that I fully realise that someone in the world will buy it. There is a huge market for "pop-metal" or whatever you call it, for me its just pop/rock. Timo has wasted his talent long ago, which is shame but thats they way he choose. It doesnt mean I will listen his products, but other will. Show-business, man.
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31.03.2021 - 12:45
RaphaelThorne

Written by skelator on 30.03.2021 at 22:55


Eh, Gustavo....imagine my artistic interlocutor, that I fully realise that someone in the world will buy it. There is a huge market for "pop-metal" or whatever you call it, for me its just pop/rock. Timo has wasted his talent long ago, which is shame but thats they way he choose. It doesnt mean I will listen his products, but other will. Show-business, man.


Ok, now I'll be the one saying something a little controversial, but it's a personal opinion so bear with me.

Like you, most of the metal audience that heard Stratovarius in the 90's - and I was part of that audience - still talks about Tolkki's talent as if Stratovarius's quality was solely thanks to him. Granted, he was part of the equation, but it is easier to write something when the guys around you are called Kotipelto or Johansson. He was the main songwriter but, in a band, every idea is adapted and rearranged to fit everyone's taste, way of playing and general feeling. And yeah, I still remember that shit hit the fan around Elements I & II and fans thinking those albums weren't good (I actually liked them). Then there was the Fight Club episode, he is kicked out and the band releases the album Stratovarius (this one I hated). The thing is, after his departure Tolkki never did anything worth mentioning, but very single Stratovarius album - starting on Polaris - was actually pretty good. Hell, Nemesis is easily right there with Visions or Destiny.

My point is, when you're good you'll prove it every time, regardless of peoples taste (and I can point lots of bands where I acknowledge talent but cannot listen to). Stratovarius proved they were good, Tolkki didn't.

Again, this is my opinion and you are welcome to disagree.

Cheers mate
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31.03.2021 - 20:28
skelator

Written by RaphaelThorne on 31.03.2021 at 12:45

Written by skelator on 30.03.2021 at 22:55


Eh, Gustavo....imagine my artistic interlocutor, that I fully realise that someone in the world will buy it. There is a huge market for "pop-metal" or whatever you call it, for me its just pop/rock. Timo has wasted his talent long ago, which is shame but thats they way he choose. It doesnt mean I will listen his products, but other will. Show-business, man.


Ok, now I'll be the one saying something a little controversial, but it's a personal opinion so bear with me....


Thats fine, thats fine, no conflict in here...
I am not agree with your praising post-Tolkki Stratovarius times, but three albums with him (dull Element 1, barely average Elements 2 and terrible self-titled) proofed at that time there was something rotten inside the band. Was it Kotipelto ego, Tolkki mental problems or the band just burned out, I dont care. What I'm saying is that when you compare Avalon to quite good solo album from 1994, its like an abyss, everything he recorded since there like Saana (yuk), Avalon or Chaos Magic is just pop/rock. If you like it, fine, but its not for me...
Revolution Renaissance? Acceptable as pale copy of Stratovarius glorious years.

Cheers
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31.03.2021 - 20:31
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Tage Westerlund
Written by RaphaelThorne on 30.03.2021 at 12:13



Now, this is a completely new conversation.
Unfortunately, Timo Tolki's career is packed full with this kind of shady crap (do you still remember his version of Fight Club?) It really is weird how someone without money to create a multi-vocalist project is forced to abandon the idea, and suddenly appears with a multi-vocalist project fully recorded (and with the likes of James Labrie, Fabio Leone or Brittney Slayes, no less). It really does smell like he was trying to pull on something.


I am talking about this
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01.04.2021 - 10:45
RaphaelThorne

Written by Bad English on 31.03.2021 at 20:31

I am talking about this


Yeah, I remember that. I was agreeing with you. It looks like he has a tendency to pull on that kind of crap.

Written by skelator on 31.03.2021 at 20:28

Thats fine, thats fine, no conflict in here...
I am not agree with your praising post-Tolkki Stratovarius times, but three albums with him (dull Element 1, barely average Elements 2 and terrible self-titled) proofed at that time there was something rotten inside the band. Was it Kotipelto ego, Tolkki mental problems or the band just burned out, I dont care. What I'm saying is that when you compare Avalon to quite good solo album from 1994, its like an abyss, everything he recorded since there like Saana (yuk), Avalon or Chaos Magic is just pop/rock. If you like it, fine, but its not for me...
Revolution Renaissance? Acceptable as pale copy of Stratovarius glorious years.


I actually agree with you on pretty much everything - the post-Tolkki era being the exception. And yeah, the reasons for his downfall don't really matter. My point was if there was ever that much talent to begin with. I don't believe you can go from hero to zero and remain a zero for 20 years and a shit-ton of records. He spent more time releasing crap then he ever did writing good albums. That's why I think the good ones were a fluke. And here the musical gender doesn't matter, as I like some pop things, some rock things and some pop-rock things, but I really cannot listen to what he does.

Now, again, this is our opinion and I'm pretty sure the guy has a steady group of fans that actually like what he does and that is totally valid. More power to them, you know.

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02.04.2021 - 14:56
skelator

Written by RaphaelThorne on 01.04.2021 at 10:45

Written by Bad English on 31.03.2021 at 20:31

I am talking about this


Yeah, I remember that. I was agreeing with you. It looks like he has a tendency to pull on that kind of crap.

Written by skelator on 31.03.2021 at 20:28

Thats fine, thats fine, no conflict in here...
I am not agree with your praising post-Tolkki Stratovarius times, but three albums with him (dull Element 1, barely average Elements 2 and terrible self-titled) proofed at that time there was something rotten inside the band. Was it Kotipelto ego, Tolkki mental problems or the band just burned out, I dont care. What I'm saying is that when you compare Avalon to quite good solo album from 1994, its like an abyss, everything he recorded since there like Saana (yuk), Avalon or Chaos Magic is just pop/rock. If you like it, fine, but its not for me...
Revolution Renaissance? Acceptable as pale copy of Stratovarius glorious years.


[...]I don't believe you can go from hero to zero and remain a zero for 20 years[...]

Kiske? Di'Anno? Tate? DeFeis? even Matthew Barlow
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03.04.2021 - 14:36
RaphaelThorne

Written by skelator on 02.04.2021 at 14:56

Kiske? Di'Anno? Tate? DeFeis? even Matthew Barlow


Bah, of those, only David DeFeis is actually known as the mastermind behind a band and, for the topics of this conversation, the only one I can maybe agree with you - and even then, only on the composition part of it, because he still is a hell of a singer.

As for the other ones, they were recognized as singers and in their own fields they still are on top.
If not let's see; Kiske, in his first passage through Helloween only actively wrote for Chameleon and Pink Bubbles Go Ape with the result we all know. However, as a singer, he never sang objectively bad. His appearances in Avantasia are usually top notch - the quality of the songs is a different matter -, his performance on Helloween's latest dvd his nothing short of irreprehensible, and even in the bands latest single you can point out whatever you want, but not that Kiske Lost his mojo. So, one down.

Di'Anno was one I never really cared for, as I'm not a fan of his voice. However, he was a good singer in Maiden but he barely recorded anything in the last 20 years, so none of us can actually say he lost qualities. He's just out of the scene.

Geoff Tate is probably the one that'll raise more discordance. I saw the guy live some 10 years-or-so ago, singing Operation Mindcrime I & II from top to bottom, and trust me when I tell you the guy is a beast. It was almost 3 hours of live songs performed on stage and he never showed any signs of weackness. Now, he was part of the team that wrote OM, Empire and Promised Land so, in a way, some of the composition that put Queensrÿche on the map was also his and he is also responsible for the bands downfall. However, and in this case this is what I'll defend regarding Geoff, he was known as a singer and as a singer the guy can still sing is lungs out. And again, in Avantasia, he still performs as if he is on top of the world. Summarizing, I agree with the composition part of it, not with the singing part.

David DeFeis, for me, is a guy that lives in shadows of the House of Artreus and The Marriage of Heaven and Hell, however I don't find Visions of Eden or The Black Light Bacchanalia as bad as anything Tolkki have done in the past 20 years. They're ok albums from a composition stand point, but David can still sing and, in that regard, I'm sad that he seems to have hit a roadblock but, as a singer myself, I cannot point him out as an has-been.

Matt Barlow is basically a guy that sings other peoples songs. He wrote some lyrics throughout his career but, like pretty much everyone that worked with Jon Schaffer, he sang what was given to him. He still is a great singer, though. I was never into his type of register, but he sang in Pyramaze's last album and did an awesome job. So I completely disagree on this one.

I think the main point here is that you're mixing a bands successes or failures with their singers' loss of qualities. The last part never happened and the first part must be divided by all the members of their respective bands. So in a failure, as much as in a success, the responsible are the band as a whole. Unless you're Nightwish, Ayreon or Therion, that have one single guy that writes all and is mainly a composer instead of a part-of-team-instrument-player. In those cases it's harder to come back on top when you go down because there's hardly a team to help you write. Nightwish's case, for exemple, is in my opinion the most flagrant one, where Thuomas not only seems to be uninspired for almost 15 years but also seems to have lost the capability to adapt his own songs to the singer he has - which, in this case, is probably the best and most versatile one the metal scene has to offer.

In some other cases, though, you have guys that simply fucked up their voices (Bon Jovi is an obvious one) and others that died of old age on the top of their games (Leonard Cohen being my favorite, as I've watched him live a couple of years prior to his death and there I learned how a single man can reach eternity - as corny as that sounds).

And after this long testament that no one will read, I need to point out that this is all opinions. It's my take on things. The tldr of it all being that you say they didn't do anything good in 20 years, and I say their vocal performances were awesome but the songs, in some cases, weren't that well composed. Although I wouldn't go as far as put any of those guys in the same plane as Tolkki.

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05.04.2021 - 17:37
skelator

Written by RaphaelThorne on 03.04.2021 at 14:36

Written by skelator on 02.04.2021 at 14:56

Kiske? Di'Anno? Tate? DeFeis? even Matthew Barlow


And after this long testament that no one will read...


Agree! But its only my honest opinion hehe
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06.04.2021 - 08:40
RaphaelThorne

Written by skelator on 05.04.2021 at 17:37

Agree! But its only my honest opinion hehe


No worries there. I wrote it for you and we both know you read it. It served its purpose.
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