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Posted by Black Winter on 11.03.2008 at 21:55
Since the old thread had exceeded its limits,here is a new thread to continue some of the previous discutions,please post a logic and a meaningful contributions and try to avoid all kinds of extremism and disrespectful remarks.
I myself will try to contribute meaningfully to clarify some points .



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Fritillaria
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  26.09.2014 at 21:04
Rasputin, you're... , well never mind it!
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Ilham
attention whore*

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From: Morocco

  26.09.2014 at 21:22
Written by Fritillaria on 26.09.2014 at 21:04

Rasputin, you're truly a [nice words].

Frit, it's not worth getting a warning. Edit your post and let him spread his hate speech until he gets banned for it or tired of it.
Fritillaria
Evil Butterfly

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  26.09.2014 at 22:19
Written by Ilham on 26.09.2014 at 21:22

Frit, it's not worth getting a warning. Edit your post and let him spread his hate speech until he gets banned for it or tired of it.

I take your wise advice, done.
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Dangerboner
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  26.09.2014 at 22:56
Written by Ilham on 25.09.2014 at 11:52

Written by Ganondox on 25.09.2014 at 11:18


I am going to do you the same favour people have done for me and tell you not to bother with Rasputin who's a crazy ass islamophobe and homophobe - and surely many other nouns that end in "-phobe" - of the worst kind, who has no ability to debate without throwing blanket generalisations and just plain insults.

According to his posting history, he is indeed quite the "vagina-phobe". But, in his defense, those can be scary sometimes, ya know?

Hell yeah I posted in a political thread.
Ilham
attention whore*

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  27.09.2014 at 00:06
Written by Dangerboner on 26.09.2014 at 22:56

According to his posting history, he is indeed quite the "vagina-phobe". But, in his defense, those can be scary sometimes, ya know?

Hell yeah I posted in a political thread.

They have teeth and they bleed.

And we use them to stash bombs as well, because that's what us sand nigg*rs do apparently. I'm actually surprised you posted at all. And you didn't say boner.
Rasputin

Posts: 198
From: USA
  27.09.2014 at 00:19
Written by Ilham on 27.09.2014 at 00:06

Written by Dangerboner on 26.09.2014 at 22:56

According to his posting history, he is indeed quite the "vagina-phobe". But, in his defense, those can be scary sometimes, ya know?

Hell yeah I posted in a political thread.

They have teeth and they bleed.

And we use them to stash bombs as well, because that's what us sand nigg*rs do apparently. I'm actually surprised you posted at all. And you didn't say boner.

Good to know, allah is merciful
deadone
Mainstream Poser

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From: Australia

  27.09.2014 at 02:34
Written by Ganondox on 26.09.2014 at 08:45


You forgot the US and the rest of the west.

"Islamic countries don't contribute much despite many of the Arab ones being filthy rich." The fact the Arab countries are very rich doesn't mean very much when you take into account the fact they've only became rich recently (so they haven't had time to build physical and social infrastructure), they are in the middle of the desert, and many of them are totalitarian regimes (which is not really related to the fact most the population is Islamic). Saudi Arabia just opened up a science and technology university with a $20 billion endowment in 2009, so I think that says something (got that stat from this article), it's interesting. Most of the muslim world isn't in the middle east, though most are still located in pretty f*ed up placed like the Sahara. There are some predominantly islamic countries which are doing pretty well though, like Malaysia.



South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore were all authoritarian countries. South Korea's living standards were below poorest Africa's in the early 1960s. Now it's a leading economic and democratic powerhouse.


There's something rotten in the Arab/Islamic cultures that is not conducive to "modern" development or seen embracing any of the basic civil, human rights, economic or other concepts that most countries in Europe, the Americas and Asia have embraced. Maybe cause that religion is stuck in the middle ages.


You mention Malaysia yet it's currently not doing that great economically and there's social unrest as well as growing prejudice versus non-Muslim Chinese and other minorities (and from a metal perspective, Black Metal was banned there a while back).

And it's a shining beacon compared to the rest of the Islamic world.
Ganondox

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Age: 18
From: USA

  27.09.2014 at 07:44
Written by deadone on 27.09.2014 at 02:34

Written by Ganondox on 26.09.2014 at 08:45


You forgot the US and the rest of the west.

"Islamic countries don't contribute much despite many of the Arab ones being filthy rich." The fact the Arab countries are very rich doesn't mean very much when you take into account the fact they've only became rich recently (so they haven't had time to build physical and social infrastructure), they are in the middle of the desert, and many of them are totalitarian regimes (which is not really related to the fact most the population is Islamic). Saudi Arabia just opened up a science and technology university with a $20 billion endowment in 2009, so I think that says something (got that stat from this article), it's interesting. Most of the muslim world isn't in the middle east, though most are still located in pretty f*ed up placed like the Sahara. There are some predominantly islamic countries which are doing pretty well though, like Malaysia.



South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore were all authoritarian countries. South Korea's living standards were below poorest Africa's in the early 1960s. Now it's a leading economic and democratic powerhouse.


There's something rotten in the Arab/Islamic cultures that is not conducive to "modern" development or seen embracing any of the basic civil, human rights, economic or other concepts that most countries in Europe, the Americas and Asia have embraced. Maybe cause that religion is stuck in the middle ages.


You mention Malaysia yet it's currently not doing that great economically and there's social unrest as well as growing prejudice versus non-Muslim Chinese and other minorities (and from a metal perspective, Black Metal was banned there a while back).

And it's a shining beacon compared to the rest of the Islamic world.


That was back in the 60's, it took them awhile to get where they are now, and at a heavy cost to freedom. The Arabic countries have just been breaking through. Also, those countries you listed are all some for of democracy, even though they are all very oppressive ones.

"Maybe cause that religion is stuck in the middle ages." Well, by that crazy logic there, I guess everywhere must be stuck in the ancient history era. Also, as previously mentioned, the muslim world was leagues ahead of the rest of the world during the middle ages, and would be better compared to the renaissance. Anyone who knows anything about Islam knows that explanation is bullshit. There might be cultural elements holding them back, after all religion is tightly tied to culture, but it's definitely not Islam itself. More likely, the harsh conditions is what caused religion to become so important to people's lives, and Islam was just the religion in the area. "There's something rotten in the Arab/Islamic cultures" There is a huge part of your problem right there, you think you can just equate arab and Islam culture, but then blame it all on Islam.

"You mention Malaysia yet it's currently not doing that great economically " Actually, it's one of the best economies in all of Asia, not just the Muslim world, especially when you it's history over a period of years, not just the situation in the current year. Tell me, what country IS doing great economically?

(and from a metal perspective, Black Metal was banned there a while back) Malaysia is actually one of the more conservative muslim countries, in comparison Indonesia is MUCH more liberal.
Fritillaria
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  27.09.2014 at 14:12
now with presence of deadone's logic, here you are more nonsensical arguments.
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Rasputin

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From: USA
  27.09.2014 at 18:06
Well, for one, I didn't believe I would ever say this, but I agree with Deadone here. I don't see what's unclear? Muslim countries are well bellow the average. Not too long ago literacy levels were posted, and Islam dominated countries were low, on top of being extremely oppressive to human rights, like Deadone said.

You keep talking about that tolerance, but no one sees it. Muslims go anywhere and start to demand for the rights they are no entitled to have, by creating their own little ghetto. While Christians, as far as I know, still pay tax because they are Christians in some of the Middle Eastern countries, you try to do that to Muslims and we would have violent protests and threats of violence. You wanna see how much tolerance Muslims have, say something about Mohammad and watch death threats come.

When in the USA, a show like South Park was ordered to remove the drawing of Muhammad because of the death threats, how would it be in the countries where only muslims have a say?

Tolerance my ass.

Regardless how I feel about Xtianity, the Christians at least evolved in a way, so you can bash Christ all you want and talk all the shit you want. Muslims are still in the stone age, where they would bash your skull if you dare say anything about their beloved lunatic.
Karlabos
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  27.09.2014 at 18:38
Written by Rasputin on 27.09.2014 at 18:06

I agree with Deadone

It's the end of the world
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The Bob

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  27.09.2014 at 21:30
So, I see a lot of people bashing this 'Rasputin' person. I have to say I agree with some of his posts. Yeah, he's a nutjob, but he has a few valid points. First, I'm a veteran of both Kosovo and Iraq. Knowing fully that any douche can make internet claims and make up whatever they want, take it at face-value, or don't--that's up to you. Regardless, I watched (aided, unfortunately due to orders) as Kosovo was handed to the Albanians. We were briefed (videos, lectures--all that crap) prior to deploying there about how bad the Serbs were and that Milosevic was an evil prick (which he was). Within two weeks or so of being there, nearly EVERY soldier had changed his mind. We watched the Albanians beg, cheat, and steal while the Serbs attempted to work a farm, etc. Now, one must consider that the Albanians are much like a lite beer--they are muslim-lite. The women don't wear the full dress and many men and women smoke and drink. What they do do, however, is carry out some nasty acts. Just as in Iraq, you see the true face of Islam shining through the facade that they try and hide it under. I was given an English copy of the Koran by my interpreter in Kosovo. I got around to reading it a few years back. HOLY SHIT, is it beyond messed-up and full of contradictions--which abrogation seems to miraculously take care of (the principle of later verses eliminating the previous ones). Lets see: earth was created in 3 days, 7 days, etc., begins all peaceful and (oddly enough after Mohammad amassed a large army) became a conqueror, taqyyia (spelling? principle of lying to non-believers and to prevent damage to or promote Islam or placate one's spouse, etc--the list goes on and on. There are over 130 verses about punishing non-believers. And the profit's favorite wife Aisha was SIX when he married her and NINE when he banged her the first time, NOT 14 or older as recent 'scholars' have said. She has her own narrated account where she states he took her virginity at nine--he was 54 at the time. Pretty sick stuff. Anyway, read the Koran and decide for yourselves--that's your right. I just know that I haven't seen any other 'religion' produce terrorists, suicide bombers, or the level of violence that Islam has--well, not since the crusades, anyway. On a final note, the word "Islam" does NOT mean peace as many claim it does. It means "Submission." Look it up and read the book... It may change how you view their actions / motivations. Thanks for your time.
deadone
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  28.09.2014 at 04:17
Great post The Bob.

For some reason, Westerners like to think Islam is a great and peaceful religion. And at the same time many of them are willing to bash their own Christian religion which has made far more advances in fixing up mistakes of the past and at least in the Protestant world, reconciled with modern values.

Islam on the other hand keeps going backwards.

I'm an atheist by the way o have no horse in this race.
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  28.09.2014 at 10:09
Well said The Bob.

I might have conflicting voice of opinion about Islam few months back but then I guess I'm judging it only from one state(Jammu and Kashmir). I always think Muslim people givin' a bad rep to Quran but later on I realize it is quite the vice-versa. Well, that is the fact people believe in this to the course of 2.5 years I spent in Kashmir. But, then again it's a mixed report. This bunch of "blind-faith in Quran" v/s "Quran Destroys People" groups clashes on within the society( for e.g. Muslims living in Lucknow(capital city of Utter Pradesh, India) and Kashmiris(people living in Kashmir) are two different believers of Islam) or in some cases within' themselves. That same goes with *Hinduism. Blind swallowers of Hinduism always has discordant relationship with the people who neutralizes from the intricacies of Hinduism. They just want to live normal without forcing the standards of Hinduism on them. You live in India and you say,"Well, I do not believe in Hinduism, let me just live normally"; just wait for few seconds and then see shitload amount of sneers around you. That's the fucking problem here.

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Rasputin

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From: USA
  28.09.2014 at 20:40
Too much religion is a problem anywhere, and the problem is even greater when someone wants to forcefully convert you, and change your life so suit their twisted vision or reality.
krrrrebets

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Age: 21
From: Estonia

  28.09.2014 at 23:45
Actually I've also heard the theory which says that islam hasn't developed enough to be peaceful but I really don't see that as an excuse. Also I see no point in defending christhianity which crippled development for centuries and was just as bad as islam back in the day. The last "witch" in my country was burned in 1699 - not THAT long ago.


It also should be considered, however, that islam isn't the same everywhere. Islam in Senegal is different than Crimean Tatars which is different from Afghanistan islam and so on. Much relies on how to interpret it. For example women position is way higher than usual for different islamic people like Chechens and Tuareg women actually propose men(!).


But tons of islamic societies are still very reppressive even today. By no means am I defending islam, or any other religion. The way I see it, religion just puts a needless burden on one's life. Why to do complete fucking nonsense for someone that really doesn't exist? Yes, maybe it spiritually helps some and so on but life can be easily lived without that. But the worst part obviously is fundamentalism and all the violence that comes with that. That's the twisted way to interpret the holy book. We all saw how Taliban's ideal worked in Afghanistan. Bunch of madmen probably got their satisfaction by torturing women daily but what use did the society get from that? And while christianity has settled down I still find it crazy to follow it. All the warfare and repression caused by any religion is equally bad.


I'm definitely very happy to live one of the most irreligious places on earth.
Rasputin

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From: USA
  29.09.2014 at 18:35
Written by krrrrebets on 28.09.2014 at 23:45

Actually I've also heard the theory which says that islam hasn't developed enough to be peaceful but I really don't see that as an excuse. Also I see no point in defending christhianity which crippled development for centuries and was just as bad as islam back in the day. The last "witch" in my country was burned in 1699 - not THAT long ago.


It also should be considered, however, that islam isn't the same everywhere. Islam in Senegal is different than Crimean Tatars which is different from Afghanistan islam and so on. Much relies on how to interpret it. For example women position is way higher than usual for different islamic people like Chechens and Tuareg women actually propose men(!).


But tons of islamic societies are still very reppressive even today. By no means am I defending islam, or any other religion. The way I see it, religion just puts a needless burden on one's life. Why to do complete fucking nonsense for someone that really doesn't exist? Yes, maybe it spiritually helps some and so on but life can be easily lived without that. But the worst part obviously is fundamentalism and all the violence that comes with that. That's the twisted way to interpret the holy book. We all saw how Taliban's ideal worked in Afghanistan. Bunch of madmen probably got their satisfaction by torturing women daily but what use did the society get from that? And while christianity has settled down I still find it crazy to follow it. All the warfare and repression caused by any religion is equally bad.


I'm definitely very happy to live one of the most irreligious places on earth.

How do you develop something which believes that is perfect? You can't. And I am defending Christianity because it poses no threat to anyone really, except maybe the extra religious countries like Poland, Greece and Italy (if that still holds true). Christianity had its dark period, and that is the key word here "had." Islam will never reach that, they can't, because the texts and the mentality are already solidified in a singular idea of the great Islamic State (not the political jargon that's used in the media). The great Islamic State would encompass the whole world, and it is making it's way quite rapidly.

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