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Posted by Black Winter on 11.03.2008 at 21:55
Since the old thread had exceeded its limits,here is a new thread to continue some of the previous discutions,please post a logic and a meaningful contributions and try to avoid all kinds of extremism and disrespectful remarks.
I myself will try to contribute meaningfully to clarify some points .



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Vombatus
Potorro

Posts: 1641
From: Austria

  20.05.2015 at 01:28
^Meh, using public funds to reintegrate criminals and give them benefits is common. I guess the fact that it is suppose to target isis fighters makes everyone think it's a scandal now. Old news is old.
deadone
has a mangina

Posts: 6040
From: Australia

  20.05.2015 at 02:13
Written by Rasputin on 19.05.2015 at 13:10

Agreed, but our stupid Western asses let them do this shit.

Check this out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZL3axcwDz8

Insane.



Holy shit! That's beyond crazy.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/18/stockholm-syndrome-sweden-offers-taxpayer-funded-benefits-to-lure-alienated-jihadists-home/

Sweden as a country is fucked. This is the same country where a Muslim butchering his sister gets 4 years prison, reduced to 2 if he was 16 at the time he did it.


Apparently at least one major Swedish poilitician wants Sweden to be more like that epitome of how fucked the third world is, Nigeria.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/bruce-bawer/whats-wrong-with-sweden/
http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/12/swedens-suicide-pact/
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/410918/sweden-opt-suicide-immigration-daniel-pipes

Sweden is a bigger threat to Europe's future than bloody Russia with it's sabre rattling.

What's happening in countries like Sweden, France and UK is great evidence that the EU Shengen Zone needs to be scrapped.
deadone
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From: Australia

  20.05.2015 at 05:34
Written by Vombatus on 20.05.2015 at 01:28

^Meh, using public funds to reintegrate criminals and give them benefits is common. I guess the fact that it is suppose to target isis fighters makes everyone think it's a scandal now. Old news is old.



These aren't common criminals. They're people who fought with violent militias that have committed untold atrocities and warcrimes.

Replace "ISIS" with "SS concentration camp guard or Einsatz Gruppen" and that might illustrate the point better.

Also the criminal has served time too before they get into a rehabilitation program. These ISIS doucebags would be given a free ride.
Rasputin

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From: USA
  20.05.2015 at 11:23
Written by deadone on 20.05.2015 at 02:13

Written by Rasputin on 19.05.2015 at 13:10

Agreed, but our stupid Western asses let them do this shit.

Check this out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZL3axcwDz8

Insane.



Holy shit! That's beyond crazy.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/18/stockholm-syndrome-sweden-offers-taxpayer-funded-benefits-to-lure-alienated-jihadists-home/

Sweden as a country is fucked. This is the same country where a Muslim butchering his sister gets 4 years prison, reduced to 2 if he was 16 at the time he did it.


Apparently at least one major Swedish poilitician wants Sweden to be more like that epitome of how fucked the third world is, Nigeria.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/bruce-bawer/whats-wrong-with-sweden/
http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/12/swedens-suicide-pact/
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/410918/sweden-opt-suicide-immigration-daniel-pipes

Sweden is a bigger threat to Europe's future than bloody Russia with it's sabre rattling.

What's happening in countries like Sweden, France and UK is great evidence that the EU Shengen Zone needs to be scrapped.

I agree man, it is getting insane, but liberalism is the core problem of this.

EU zone was fucked from the start, the unfortunate thing is that now they allowed too many Muslims in already, so if they separate the zone we still have the Muslim issue.

Islam is the bigger threat than anything else I can imagine.
Vombatus
Potorro

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From: Austria

  20.05.2015 at 12:50
Written by deadone on 20.05.2015 at 05:34

These aren't common criminals. They're people who fought with violent militias that have committed untold atrocities and warcrimes.
Replace "ISIS" with "SS concentration camp guard or Einsatz Gruppen" and that might illustrate the point better.

Also the criminal has served time too before they get into a rehabilitation program. These ISIS doucebags would be given a free ride.


Nah, I don't think that having the ISIS tag should have special treatment, and this Swedish example is purely anecdotal (for now) so who cares. The interesting thing about this issue is the status of returning jihadists. Technically, you can't systematically imprison someone on their return hoping to press charges based on undocumented crimes in a war zone where an investigation wasn't even conducted. Some countries use the affiliation to terrorist group, indoctrination, illegal firearms possession,etc. arguments to automatically throw them into prison as it is possible to press charges immediately but in most cases they will remain unpunished for crimes committed on the other side of the world, simply coz the judicial system prevents from doing so. Only now countries confronted to this situation are starting to fill the legal vacuum.
deadone
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Posts: 6040
From: Australia

  21.05.2015 at 02:05
Written by Vombatus on 20.05.2015 at 12:50


Nah, I don't think that having the ISIS tag should have special treatment, and this Swedish example is purely anecdotal (for now) so who cares. The interesting thing about this issue is the status of returning jihadists. Technically, you can't systematically imprison someone on their return hoping to press charges based on undocumented crimes in a war zone where an investigation wasn't even conducted. Some countries use the affiliation to terrorist group, indoctrination, illegal firearms possession,etc. arguments to automatically throw them into prison as it is possible to press charges immediately but in most cases they will remain unpunished for crimes committed on the other side of the world, simply coz the judicial system prevents from doing so. Only now countries confronted to this situation are starting to fill the legal vacuum.


Totally agree - the problem is overbureaucratic Western legal systems more concerned with process than actual outcomes.

Under older saner legal times, the ISIS people would be traitors. But one doesn't see many treason charges even when there is obvious treason.


E.g. in Australia, David Hicks was captured whilst fighting for the Taliban who were engaged in war against Australian forces. This is definitely treason under Australian law:


"A person commits an offence, called treason, if the person:

"(e) engages in conduct that assists by any means whatever, with intent to assist, an enemy: he was assisting the Taliban,
(i) at war with the Commonwealth, whether or not the existence of a state of war has been declared; and Australia was at war with Taliban regime
(ii) specified by Proclamation made for the purpose of this paragraph to be an enemy at war with the Commonwealth; or
(f) engages in conduct that assists by any means whatever, with intent to assist:
(i) another country; or
(ii) an organisation;
that is engaged in armed hostilities against the Australian Defence Force" As a Taliban fighter definitely covered under this





Instead of treason, David Hicks was charged under US law for "providing material support for terrorism" which was then quashed. It was an idiotic charge as he was a mere foot soldier in the Taliban.


Basically our legal systems are pathetic jokes.
deadone
has a mangina

Posts: 6040
From: Australia

  21.05.2015 at 02:09
Written by Rasputin on 20.05.2015 at 11:23

, but liberalism is the core problem of this.


Agreed. It's gone too far - the pendulum has swung into absurdity. Humans can never get the balance right.

Quote:
EU zone was fucked from the start, the unfortunate thing is that now they allowed too many Muslims in already, so if they separate the zone we still have the Muslim issue.


It would be contained though with no further risk of spreading.

Quote:
Islam is the bigger threat than anything else I can imagine.


Without a doubt the biggest threat to Europe and secular democracy.
Arian Totalis
The Philosopher

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Age: 25
From: USA

  Today at 04:52
@Deadone: Islam is not in and of itself a bad thing you know. It's just like with any othe religion it comes down to the individuals practicing it and their own interpretation of conduct. The problem is that the muslum world in it's Current state is still living hundreds of years in the past thanks to the continuation of theocratic rule and conservative practices there in. If you think about Christianity hundreds of years ago you had people murdered for being non Christian, or the wrong kind of Christian, or doing something that threatened the strangle hold Christianity had politically in whatever region, or doing something taboo like cheating or being a homosexual. As time has progressed nobody in most places anyway is going to die for these things in Christian communities. Maybe looked down upon but not acted against with deadly extremism. If you look at most American muslums it's exactly the same. The vast majority of muslums in America aren't in their basements making pipe bombs and planning public attacks. A lot of them are
Good decent, hard working people. Deadone, Rasputin, my friends, you suffer from an illness called predjiduce, and this illness is brought on by fear which has been intentionally induced by the media as form of political propaganda. This particular strain of predjiduce can also be called "Islamaphobia." The cure? Do a little research, walk outside, and hug a Muslum.
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Age: 32
From: New Zealand

  Today at 11:51
Written by Arian Totalis on Today at 04:52

@Deadone: Islam is not in and of itself a bad thing you know. It's just like with any othe religion it comes down to the individuals practicing it and their own interpretation of conduct. The problem is that the muslum world in it's Current state is still living hundreds of years in the past thanks to the continuation of theocratic rule and conservative practices there in. If you think about Christianity hundreds of years ago you had people murdered for being non Christian, or the wrong kind of Christian, or doing something that threatened the strangle hold Christianity had politically in whatever region, or doing something taboo like cheating or being a homosexual. As time has progressed nobody in most places anyway is going to die for these things in Christian communities. Maybe looked down upon but not acted against with deadly extremism. If you look at most American muslums it's exactly the same. The vast majority of muslums in America aren't in their basements making pipe bombs and planning public attacks. A lot of them are
Good decent, hard working people. Deadone, Rasputin, my friends, you suffer from an illness called predjiduce, and this illness is brought on by fear which has been intentionally induced by the media as form of political propaganda. This particular strain of predjiduce can also be called "Islamaphobia." The cure? Do a little research, walk outside, and hug a Muslum.

:yes:........good post
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