Written by deadone on 06.08.2015 at 02:05

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And they have slowly crippled the West. Any opposition to their ideals is written off as "right wing" or "racist" or "fascist" or "pro-rich people" or "colonialist" or " uneducated."

... result of the values espoused by these individuals being integrated into mainstream society (very often the "educated left wing" is actively involved in media or legal professions).

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The only exceptions are of course the predictable "left wing" types who stick to their "it's our fault for not helping them enough" and "there's only a few bad applies in Islam" propaganda.

"Education" in the abstract seems to be a repeating offense and a truism. Russia in the most educated country in the world, Japan comes in 3rd and Israel 4rd (and the highest number of engineers per capita). I doubt the average European would agree to some of the popular views within these societies - because what counts is the substance of the particular education.

Even IQ does not make you smarter in any substantial sense in the political context, what it does give you is more sophistication in rationalizing your views - again, what matters is something else - it's intellectual honesty and cognitive flexibility. Two things the European left not only lacks but openly endorses the opposite.

Australians are hated in Europe nearly as much as Americans, Jews and French.

"it's our fault for not helping them enough". Of course, given that 'Europe' stole the natural resources from Africa, enslaved them, etc. Again an abstraction that's doing things (reification), and again missing the ethical point for a self-centered collectivist narcissism that European carry all across their political spectrum.

Pascal Bruckner's "The Tyranny of Guilt" lays out the history of this notion to current day.


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Maajid Nawaz just published "The British Left's Hypocritical Embrace of Islamism"

Http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-14/eritrean-asylum-seeker-admits-to-ikea-double-murder/6696582

Written by angel. on 14.08.2015 at 11:41

Written by Karlabos on 02.08.2015 at 16:38

^ And you'd think Muslim women would be the ones who value women's rights the most...

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You may ridicule me but there are Muslim women who are so much into women's right. But it's true, there are such female Muslims, and as far I know they are not into imposing women about how to get dressed and they are so much into encouraging women to get financially independent from their husbands and get higher educations as much as it is possible.

I would love to see all women in the Middle East to be truly free to chose how they want to dress, and believe what they want to believe, but that will not happen anytime soon.

Angel N.,
Have you heard of My Stealthy Freedom?

Written by angel. on 15.08.2015 at 11:20

Written by Rasputin on 14.08.2015 at 23:12

I would love to see all women in the Middle East to be truly free to chose how they want to dress, and believe what they want to believe, but that will not happen anytime soon.

believe me those progressive types of women don't even waste their times with thinking about what you believe!

There are at least 30 big names of women who are very influential and did lots of things for making the situation better for women and besides those big names everyday you see lots of women to be seriously in the most active population, in charge of education, business and science.

This world is not only what is shown on NEWS CHANNELS. You know I have been in Germany for five months and all and all what they broadcast from ME is ISIS, ISIS ISIS... westerners must try to change their mindset this time, MIDDLE EAST is not equal to ISIS.

WHY THEY rarely talk about university professors in Saudi Arabia, the Bloggers there, why they never talk about lawyers, businesswomen, artists in Iran? Huh? I mean hey try to intensify the brighter sides and give them some chance of being heard.

I can't see what makes all of these channels to be so obsessed about ISIS. You know talking about a group of extremists all the time won't change anything at all, it just gives them more popularity, they would be just more and more broadcast-ed, that's what they want: to be in HEADLINES of news. Because they think they are righteousness.

I would love to hear of women's movement in Turkey, they need to be displayed, they need to be in the news headlines. And all the other similar things. I would love to hear about researchers who are doing really something to see from where the wrong things came from and how they can solve it.

You think that nothing happened about women's conditions because all you follow is the the mainstream news channels??? you could read about at least Iranian women and how much they have already done for their improvements, they have gone such a long way and someone like you just writing on a forum saying that wouldn't happen any time soon !!!

It's just ridiculous that some people from US thinks they know it better than everyone else about anything they talk about.

I don't care what they believe, and funny enough, Serbia just received over a 50.000 refugees from Syria and we are yet to see any of your progressive women. Moreover, the Muslim women are throwing disapproving looks at our Serbian girls for the freedom to wear what they want, so that just shows me how progressive Syria is. On top of that, it is quite interesting to watch these refugees run around Belgrade with no respect for traffic laws, so that just shows to me how backwards they were. When I was in Afghanistan, the traffic rules were a joke, with everyone driving wherever they feel like, so yet another developed and sophisticated country.

The reason why no one talks about Saudi Arabia, especially in the USA is because both of them benefit from each other, so in order to prevent any negative media, they just choose to ignore each other. At the same time both the USA and Saudi Arabia fund ISIS and help them conquer and obliterate the remainder of Syria and other countries. I guess as much as there is friendship in the Islamic world, profit and territorial gains are more important.

30 women only? Lets say that you have a 1000, that is nothing when you look at the overall demographic picture. It just shows to me that the Middle East has a long way to go, if it will ever evolve. Most of these women you mention may have some power, but I bet you anything they still adhere to the Islamic doctrine of being subservient to men, regardless of how much money they make or what job they do. I saw in the USA, a very interesting phenomenon when it comes to Muslim women that aside from still not feeling free to wear what they want and behave how they want, walk 6 feet behind a man no matter where they go. It is quite humorous to see them at the beach, wearing all those layers of fabric. That is not freedom to me, and it just illustrates the backwards way of Islam. Islam is not progressive, it is not liberating and it is not something that people should support or endorse, because its austere rules, regulations and tenets are dangerous for the modern world.

Some Iranian women are not the whole country, some women anywhere are not the Middle East. I have traveled a bit, and so did my friends and coworkers, and between all of us combined we realized how little freedom there actually is in the Middle East. I mean when we talk about Iran, we have religious police telling people what they can and cannot do, and very austere and backwards government. So while I do not disagree with you that some strides have been made, it is still not enough that just now in the 21st century women are regarded slightly higher than cattle. Saudi Arabia for all of its money and power and alleged education is still a dark place, and still very fundamental.

And don't get me started on Turkey, that is another very special backwards place and the only reason they made any progress at all was because of tourism, but give it a crisis of some sort, like for instance this ISIS threat, or another major war, and lets see how soon everything that was won gets lost in one single sweep.

The problem with the Middle East is not the people, but the religion that governs them. Islam is the enemy of free though, progress and evolution and as such it has no place in the EU/USA or any other civilized country.

Rasputin, I don't believe she was claiming that the Middle East is suddenly all "progressive", just that not all of the picture is discussed. Only the lunatics get the headlines.

Written by Candlemass on 17.08.2015 at 12:42

Rasputin, I don't believe she was claiming that the Middle East is suddenly all "progressive", just that not all of the picture is discussed. Only the lunatics get the headlines.

No issue there. On my last business trip I hangout with a lot of people in Lebanon, and I wish that the entire Middle East was like that, at least tolerant and modern like that place was for the most part. The government is another issue. Basically, I have no problem with any Muslim who openly critiques the issues and problems with Islam, with politics and whose whole life is just not revolving around the freaking Mosque. Westernized Muslims, and I do not mean the ones in the West, but the ones in Lebanon that I have met, remind me a lot of the "Bosnian Muslims" at least a part of them, that are nominally Muslims, but they do not let that occupy 100% of their life.

I also met an Iranian family which was pretty much the same way, and they are looking to move to the USA and I had no issues with that. Because the guy got educated in the USA, came back for family things, got married with an equally progressive Iranian female and they both told me that as soon as they hit USA, she will wear whatever she wants and so will her daughters. I was amazed and actually impressed. We need more of that.

@Angel
What nationality are you again? Iranian women were beautiful.

Written by deadone on 22.08.2015 at 03:31

Written by Rasputin on 17.08.2015 at 06:59


I don't care what they believe, and funny enough, Serbia just received over a 50.000 refugees from Syria

It shows how stupid and suicidal the Christian countries are when an impoverished country like Serbia is letting in thousands of Muslim refugees whilst their own citizens are jumping through the Hungarian border to escape to the EU.

Shouldn't the money spent of Muslim refugees be spent helping their own citizens improve their lives?

Meanwhile mainly Muslim migrants are running rampant by fighting with police at various border crossings in France, Italy and Macedonia an flooding Greek and Italian shores.

Europe is dumb and spineless and deserves to die in it's own poorly conceived humanitarian shit. One reaps what they sow.


Personally I totally support the Aussie approach of turning back refugee boats. I would support our navy opening fire on these fuckers too if they try to breakthrough.


And before someone goes "think of the women and children" most of these people are young men. In the old days boatloads of young men trying to bust through your border would be considered an invasion force.

It is by the order of the EU that Serbia will shelter all these people, which I find very amusing in one way considering that Serbia and Serbs have been portrayed by the Western Media as Genocidal monsters who ethnically cleanse Muslims, commit Genocide on Muslims and rape Muslim women, yet the Serbia is the best suited to take care of 150 thousand refugees whose numbers are growing by the day. So, who is insane here. The other fun part is that according to these refugees the Serbs treated them better than their own, and they are scared to go to Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia because of many of them fought in the Middle East on the side of ISIS. Germany, England and few other countries are making political pressure and are already implementing the plan to open up refugee centers and send all the refugees in Serbia. Serbia is in deep shit, considering that it has no jobs, safety or security now, and the winter is coming. I am all for helping people, as long as they do not infringe on the laws and customs of the country and try to create havoc, which is already starting from what I hear. There were already attempted rapes, thefts and assaults that the media in Serbia is forced to keep quiet about as so not to "offend" the "guests." And I know this, because I am in constant contact with people from Belgrade who just don't live there, but they also work in the Law Enforcement and other services.

Written by deadone on 22.08.2015 at 03:18

Written by Candlemass on 17.08.2015 at 12:42

Rasputin, I don't believe she was claiming that the Middle East is suddenly all "progressive", just that not all of the picture is discussed. Only the lunatics get the headlines.

"Lunatics" (aka religious conservatives and fundamentalists) are the mainstream in the Middle East (and most of the rest of the Muslim world). In these countries the "progressives" are regarded as lunatics.


Being a Muslim liberal or progressive is regarded as something so exceptional that Muslim apologists will often refer to them as examples of Muslim progressiveness by individual name. So a religion of a billion odd people has so few progressives that we can individually name them.

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I admit to being an Islamophobe. This religion is a direct threat to my way of life and even my physical existence. It's a bigger threat than Communism ever was. It's even a bigger threat than the rapid burning candle of the Nazis.

The reason it's a threat is because it's had 1300 odd years to ingrain itself into these societies and because Westerners are stupid enough to let these fundamentalists emigrate to the West en masse.

I didn't imply that they are not. The surveys worldwide and in the UK on it makes that quite clear - it's not a small minority that are conservative/fundamentalists.

There's a difference between saying "all" and "most". What I already said in this thread was that liberal Muslims (and ex-Muslims) are being attacked by the European left and ignored by others.

Jews are a shrinking minority in Europe (the only growth is in Germany), Neo-Nazi may deface graves and memorials, deny the Holocaust but they are nothing compare to Muslim violence and the Left's attempt to rationalize that violence, threaten Jews on their newspapers (The Guardian, Dutch left newspaper) and cynically use the memory of Jews massacred generations in Europe for their political ends (The Irish Times). The current displacement of tens of thousands of Jews in the last years, both internally in Europe and those which are forced to move out of Europe is not forgotten and to an entire generation of Jews Europe is again a wretched cursed conteient.

They are not stupid, they are naive. Steven Pinker's book "The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined" describes some of the cultural changes in the West that led to the decrease of violence. Some in Europe are so ethnocentric they project their own psychology onto the entirety of humanity - ironically given that Humanism, as an ideology, is rejected wholesale in European thought the last few decades (antihumanism).

Nazis use to take their kids to the pool, they use to play with them in the yard. They were daily speaking, normal people. Problem is, in the political sphere they held the most vicious, false ideology one could hold. During the civil war in Spain brothers, families were torn apart because of their political choices. The political sphere is no less important than the daily one, the notion that "they are just like us" is optimistic, maybe even empathetic, but ultimately sweeps the issues under the rag in favor of comfort and wishful thinking.

Written by Candlemass on 22.08.2015 at 12:05

threaten Jews on their newspapers (The Guardian, Dutch left newspaper)

huh? The Guardian is of course an English newspaper.
And tbh there is no real left newspaper in The Netherlands.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.08.2015 at 12:38

Written by Candlemass on 22.08.2015 at 12:05

threaten Jews on their newspapers (The Guardian, Dutch left newspaper)

huh? The Guardian is of course an English newspaper.
And tbh there is no real left newspaper in The Netherlands.

since people like to think I am an idiot here, but even I know The Guardian is UK's newspaper LOL

Written by Bad English on 22.08.2015 at 13:27


since people like to think I am an idiot here, but even I know The Guardian is UK's newspaper LOL

Ehh... I think it's clear by using the plural use of 'newspaper' I was referring to two separate newspapers. I'm way too lazy to dig up the name when I'm out of home.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.08.2015 at 12:38

Written by Candlemass on 22.08.2015 at 12:05

threaten Jews on their newspapers (The Guardian, Dutch left newspaper)

huh? The Guardian is of course an English newspaper.
And tbh there is no real left newspaper in The Netherlands.

No, I'm sorry, that's not what I meant. I was referring to two separate ones. The Guardian and two articles a Dutch sent me, most likely from Trouw. Both insinuate the idea that if Jews don't condemn Israel in line with the popular left, they are free game. In countries that boast themselves to defend free-speech, which is the country's responsibility to secure, you get threatened "if you believe x, violence is coming and justly so".

I'm genuinely afraid to ask what you mean by "real left".

Written by Candlemass on 22.08.2015 at 13:57



No, I'm sorry, that's not what I meant. I was referring to two separate ones. The Guardian and two articles a Dutch sent me, most likely from Trouw. Both insinuate the idea that if Jews don't condemn Israel in line with the popular left, they are free game. In countries that boast themselves to defend free-speech, which is the country's responsibility to secure, you get threatened "if you believe x, violence is coming and justly so".

I'm genuinely afraid to ask what you mean by "real left".

Trouw is politically dead centre. Volkskrant is slightly left, were more to the left before but they keep on veering more and more to the centre.
No big mainstream newspaper is truly left (true socialist, not what Americans call socialist since most of them seem to think that Obama for example is a socialist when in fact he is right wing).

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.08.2015 at 14:03

Trouw is politically dead centre. Volkskrant is slightly left, were more to the left before but they keep on veering more and more to the centre.
No big mainstream newspaper is truly left (true socialist, not what Americans call socialist since most of them seem to think that Obama for example is a socialist when in fact he is right wing).

I don't read these papers on regular basis, from what I read they promote left-wing policies, according to my Dutch 'friend' they are a left-wing oriented paper and according to this article for what it's worth. From the Dutch wiki it states: "in issues such as multiculturalism and political Islam assumed a defensive posture. " which is clearly a left-wing opinion (given that statement is translated correctly).
So idk what kind of "left" you are referring to, but in lexical terms, they seem to be left-wing oriented.

Written by Candlemass on 22.08.2015 at 13:57

Written by Bad English on 22.08.2015 at 13:27


since people like to think I am an idiot here, but even I know The Guardian is UK's newspaper LOL

Ehh... I think it's clear by using the plural use of 'newspaper' I was referring to two separate newspapers. I'm way too lazy to dig up the name when I'm out of home.

Point is if I make such error M, C and polish father Daniel would say how big idiot I am, hardly know anything about anything

Written by deadone on 23.08.2015 at 01:37

It's horrific. In some ways the Muslims are doing the Europeans dirty work with regards to Jews. Europe's attitude towards Jews is beyond fucked. They then let Muslim hooligans harass Jews in Europe (or worse commit acts of kidnapping and murder) and refuse to condemn these people's ideology on the grounds it is racist.
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I even encounter anti-Semitism here in Australia where the Jewish community is small and in most places

In the vast majority of places where European culture has affluence you'll find anti-Semitism. Anything bad om a major scale is blamed on Jews. A situation like in Greece, a country where "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" (a 'source' in Mein Kampf) was read in parliament without condemnation by other law makers, unsuprinslgy they blame the Jews. You don't find Anti-Jewish conspiracies in other cultures, even cultures who have not been influenced by Europeans that Jews resided in.
Blaming "economics" is much easier than any examination.

I use to think Americans were simple by asking me questions like "Do you ride a camel to school?", little had prepared me for the average European which is as ignorant coupled with a deep sense of hostility. Flanders and North Europeans are constantly the worst. "Are there poor Jews"?, "2 out of 10 that were killed were Jews, those Jews make so much noise now were a fascist country because of them [Belgium deploying its military in the streets after Islamist attacks]. The examples are endless. They always have something vicious up their sleeve.

Yeah, it's becoming worst every year. My cousin landed three days ago, she's staying at my place 'till she can find her own. Others come here for self-defense courses in Kibbutzim.

Written by deadone on 23.08.2015 at 01:37

... then how the fuck could they have expected people from completely different cultures to integrate successfully, especially cultures with no common values to Europeans and very often an outright disdain for Western culture?

Essentially the Europeans were trying to ignore human nature and shoving their fingers in their ears going la la. Now it's biting them in the arse with ghettos, social tension, fundamentalism and outright terrorism. That is stupidity.

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Because they believe abstractions have a large place in politics. "Education", Economics" are the usual excuses. Even "rights" have been turned into metaphysical gods people should worship as opposed to human creations that are best seen as to serve people.

The European critique of Human nature is deeper - there is no fixed human nature, it changes according to time and place, hence no common humanity.
So for instance, the common European ethnocentric notion that human nature is, of course, a little European that hides in every person. Hence Sartre said "Humanism is the counterpart of racism: it is a practice of exclusion." and "European has only been able to become a man [Human] through creating slaves and monsters'".

From here on 'common humanity' is rhetoric that covers 'anti-imperialist', Third-Worldism, extreme skepticism about external reality and is replaced finally by "solidarity" with very different people against "oppression".

Written by deadone on 23.08.2015 at 01:37

And there's the clincher. The assumption of "common humanity" is flawed. Humans are generally unified by biological function and that's it. Our cultural differences (of which religion and politics and even gender and sexual identities are elements) are how we define ourselves. Those "minor" differences are in fact huge gulfs.

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Not even. Ecotypes have evolved in different groups of humans, may it be skin color or the better abiltiy to digest local foods. That does not imply in practical terms that we have no way to communicate or solve our problems, but it's quite far away from classic European racial ideology or the dreams of "all human are the same".

Written by Bad English on 23.08.2015 at 13:30

Point is if I make such error M, C and polish father Daniel would say how big idiot I am, hardly know anything about anything

Yeah, you get an unfairly harsh treatment sometimes .

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Personally I totally support the Aussie approach of turning back refugee boats. I would support our navy opening fire on these fuckers too if they try to breakthrough.

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Aborigines don't say "ow", that's the maoris.

Written by Guest on 24.08.2015 at 11:46

Aborigines don't say "ow", that's the maoris.

I bet you know that is not the point.

Mary - if you use https img ubb code wont work use http

rapsutin you better start use ubb codes

The funny thing is that USA and EU are responsible for this refugee crisis, so they should take care of it, instead of dropping it at Serbia's doorstep. And I am still baffled that by all accounts the Serbs ended up treating these people with most respect and care. 2 Tons of aid was generated from already poor people in Serbia to be given to the refugees that keep filling up the country. EU has done nothing, USA has done nothing. That is bullshit.

ISIS is the american brainchild, that is why they are buying oil from them in one part, and bombing them in the other, it is business and business is good.

Written by Rasputin on 24.08.2015 at 19:36

The funny thing is that USA and EU are responsible for this refugee crisis, so they should take care of it, instead of dropping it at Serbia's doorstep. And I am still baffled that by all accounts the Serbs ended up treating these people with most respect and care. 2 Tons of aid was generated from already poor people in Serbia to be given to the refugees that keep filling up the country. EU has done nothing, USA has done nothing. That is bullshit.

ISIS is the american brainchild, that is why they are buying oil from them in one part, and bombing them in the other, it is business and business is good.

Really? The evil US (and EU) and the benevolent Sebrs? Not that's it's hard digging up shit, espicially by NGOs who'll make it up if necessary, but you're over playing this.
So the uprising against Assad and his brutal 'crackdown' on it was a EU and US conspiracy? You reflexively blame the 'West', it's amazing. It's the classic blame train mentality, stop stations don't exist if you're not 'white'. Otherwise you're a juvenile chimpanzee who reacts to everything instinctively; you have no cognitive machinery that works between input and output.

Can you source your claim that the US is buying oil for ISIS? Because I'm reading the opposite.

The politics are much more complex than "somehow, someway it's America's fault". I think some players in the region will prefer ISIS to stick around longer rather than shorter and that's a small part of the puzzle.

Written by angel. on 24.08.2015 at 15:21

Written by Guest on 24.08.2015 at 11:46

Aborigines don't say "ow", that's the maoris.

I bet you know that is not the point.

its all that matters?no i get your point

Written by Candlemass on 24.08.2015 at 20:01

Written by Rasputin on 24.08.2015 at 19:36

The funny thing is that USA and EU are responsible for this refugee crisis, so they should take care of it, instead of dropping it at Serbia's doorstep. And I am still baffled that by all accounts the Serbs ended up treating these people with most respect and care. 2 Tons of aid was generated from already poor people in Serbia to be given to the refugees that keep filling up the country. EU has done nothing, USA has done nothing. That is bullshit.

ISIS is the american brainchild, that is why they are buying oil from them in one part, and bombing them in the other, it is business and business is good.

Really? The evil US (and EU) and the benevolent Sebrs? Not that's it's hard digging up shit, espicially by NGOs who'll make it up if necessary, but you're over playing this.
So the uprising against Assad and his brutal 'crackdown' on it was a EU and US conspiracy? You reflexively blame the 'West', it's amazing. It's the classic blame train mentality, stop stations don't exist if you're not 'white'. Otherwise you're a juvenile chimpanzee who reacts to everything instinctively; you have no cognitive machinery that works between input and output.

Can you source your claim that the US is buying oil for ISIS? Because I'm reading the opposite.

The politics are much more complex than "somehow, someway it's America's fault". I think some players in the region will prefer ISIS to stick around longer rather than shorter and that's a small part of the puzzle.

LMAO, Human Rights Watch? Really? Contributed by a Muslim? Right. Look at Greece, Macedonia, Hungary and take a gander at what Germany is doing. That story is bullshit. We automatically take the side of the refugees who refuse to obey any law. Serbia helped these people out. Germany is deporting them and Hungary is building a fence, so I fail to see how the evil, evil Serbs are treating them badly. Serbia wants them to leave, because it has a lot of its problems that are not resolved. The refugees should be sent to Europe and USA since this was their fuck up.

Uprising against Assad is a textbook strategy that they accomplished in Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Libya and several other countries. They send in their jackals, the find people who oppose the regime, since there will be always someone who will oppose one administration or another. ISIS are all driving brand new American vehicles, carrying brand new military gear and weapons and they continue to go unchecked because it suites the interests of the West. US/NATO destabilized the region on purpose, and now the complete disaster is on their hands. I said before, I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks, I follow the money and interests and I am able to piece together some of the motives.

Yugoslavia- Big country, rich country, powerful country, could potentially be a threat to the interests of the West. Send money to Croatia, Bosnia and apply pressure for Slovenia to separate. What you have then is a divided and a war torn country where the majority of the industry, all companies, are owned by USA/EU corporations. Just a coincidence. Bombing Yugoslavia in 99, and recognizing Kosovo as an independent state, and then the same people who urged and led the attacks, now own mines, water, telecommunications and other assets there. Just a coincidence right.

Libya- IMF demands for Omar to allow of a central bank to be built, so they can control the currency. Omar says no, within 24 hours, the bombs start flying, and a dictator in at the time relatively rich country gets murdered, and now the country is getting divided among the other states and US companies like Haliburton for instance. Just a coincidence.

Iraq- Saddam Hussein, an agent of the West, sent to assassinate the former President, did not succeed, but later on USA puts him in power since he controls that region well. He has money, he is open to USA interests, so they sell him weapons and anything else he wanted, until the time came for him to surrender more and more of the wealth of country. He refuses and WMD propaganda picks up in intensity (another coincidence right) and USA invades and deposes him from power, which further turns country into a large mess with the puppet regime in place that cannot do what Saddam did, but that is ok, as long as they give them oil it is all good.

Ukraine-Elected President is toppled from power, but a False Flag operation (snipers which later got identified to be the same people USA sided with) does not turn out the way the EU/West planned. Russia was not just sitting idly so they reacted to this plot by taking Crimea and securing that the East Ukraine does not fall, because USA/NATO wants another military base there, to further surround Russia with a shield defense. The pro-Nazi Right Sector, aided and funded by the USA tries and fails to take the East, yet has no problem conducting ethnic cleansing in the area up there. Reminds me a lot of Croatia separating from Yugoslavia. NATO comes and offers 16 billion Euros to build a base in Ukraine within 48 hours of the country dissolving. Just a coincidence. And who gets to be in charge of Ukrainian gas? Joe Biden's son, just another coincidence. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/white-house-denies-conflict-hunter-biden-article-1.1791465

Syria-Same story, NATO wants to block Russia's influence, build another base there, and prevent Russia from using a Syrian base there. So they utilize the same fucktards they did in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya and send them to Syria to create chaos. (Some of these same operatives were responsible for Charlie Hebdo shooting). This kind of shit is nothing new for the USA who for years meddled in the affairs of the Middle East, and lets just remember that Al Qaida was a US program where they trained Mujaheedin regiments to go against the Soviets, so when they betrayed them, these same "good Muslims" turned against their makers and started blowing shit up. Osama Bin Laden and his family has heavy ties with the Bush family, which is just another coincidence, and it is another coincidence that Bin Laden was trained by the USA and was their operative for years, only then he was a "freedom fighter."

USA allegedly calls it quits from Afghanistan and Iraq, and then "out of nowhere" like with some magic, 50.000 armed insurgents just rise and ISIS starts flashing on TV's across the world. Al Qaida has been destroyed according to the White House, and everyone just seemed to be oblivious to this massive force that just came out of nowhere. Interesting theory. Or is it that these were the same fighters US used against the people they did not like, who in part turned against USA. So USA still plays the double game, on one side arms them to fight mutual enemies, and on the other destroys them, it is a good business.

And to further drive the nail in the coffin "Who supplanted regime in Iran again?" Oh, that is right, it was the USA. So if they were so powerful back then to do something like that, all of these things I listed are a piece of cake. It is you who does not have a clue, and fails to connect the dots as to what is really going on.

The power elite does not give a fuck how many people die, how many soldiers or civilians get blown up, how many families and countries get destroyed. The world is a business, and one of the most profitable businesses is War. Now, I am not naive to believe that USA is the only country that has interests in the Middle East, I mean, many of the countries there have ideas of their own, like Turkey wanting a fresh piece of Syria, or Iran wanting their own slice of the pie that is up for grabs.

But hey, let's just pretend that USA is for freedom, peace and Global Force for Good, because that is much easier than looking at the truth in the eye.

Written by Bad English on 24.08.2015 at 20:56

Written by Rasputin on 24.08.2015 at 19:36

The funny thing is that USA and EU are responsible for this refugee crisis, so they should take care of it, instead of dropping it at Serbia's doorstep. And I am still baffled that by all accounts the Serbs ended up treating these people with most respect and care. 2 Tons of aid was generated from already poor people in Serbia to be given to the refugees that keep filling up the country. EU has done nothing, USA has done nothing. That is bullshit.

ISIS is the american brainchild, that is why they are buying oil from them in one part, and bombing them in the other, it is business and business is good.

can you once chose what to be serb or American, if you're serb go away from USA/EU if you're American stop citisize us .. same time why EU should help Ser, will Sert be anti rus and vote for santions ? no ,. so deal whit it , EU cant waist any money support outsiders , Greece sucked u emthy did Ser helped?

It fascinates me how you look at the world, everything is either for or against, well fuck that, I am in the middle. America needs criticism in order for things to change, and I speak out against the things I don't like because that is my right to do so.

To be honest, I wish for the EU to collapse, and eventually it will, since its liberal policies will be its undoing. EU is not a friend of Serbia, and to be honest I don't want to see Serbia in it, but since Serbia is surrounded by NATO, there is not much of a choice there. And why should EU help you say? Well, NATO bombed and attacked all those countries down there in the Middle East, it's policies are pro Islam and anti discrimination and plus it is a Bastion of freedom, and acceptance, and since Serbia played guard dog for EU for centuries, I think some assistance would be in order since they cooked up this mess to begin with. Serbia is still undergoing negotiations to join EU and has bent over backwards to appease scum like Merkel and other fucktards up there, so it is the least they can do. Or they can fuck off and let Serbia deal with its borders the way it sees fit.

EU is saturated with hypocrisy. On one side they criticize anyone who is dealing with refugees and Muslims the only way they can, and are forcing Serbia to open its borders, and at the same time it is closing its borders, attacking immigrants (Germany) and deporting them to Serbia. Double standards much?

...ouch!

Written by deadone on 27.08.2015 at 13:38

If USA didn't exist, we wouldn't have had Hitler or WWII in first place. It was US entry into WWI that turned the tide against the Germans. The Americans supported the idiotic Treaty of Versailles that helped the Nazis gain support in Germany (and also humiliate and disrespect Japan).

In the very simplified words of a British historian, the first Reich was different from the Nazis only in their relatively lean 'racial' theories. The if World War I was a justified war (from a British perspective) is still debated. Nor is Treaty of Versailles quite clearly a mistake and is still debated. To remind you there was no 'Treaty of Versailles' to blame before WWI. Tho, these are not the subject of this thread.

Deadone and rasputin now you guys can be happy and dance all around about this victory, cheers!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/austria-lorry-migrants-eu-refugee-crisis-50-asylumseekers-found-dead-in-a-lorry-10474464.html