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Posted by GT on 25.03.2008 at 21:26
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RavenKing

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  04.08.2010 at 02:47
Written by Daniell on 04.08.2010 at 01:10

As for "The Final Frontier", it's a typical short-fast-Maiden-opener, not better or worse than most of their short openers.


So, for you, a song like that can be compared to "Aces High" or "Moonchild"?
Geez, Maiden can please people with everything nowadays, no matter the quality.
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  04.08.2010 at 05:25
Written by RavenKing on 04.08.2010 at 02:47
a song like that can be compared to "Aces High" or "Moonchild"?
Geez, Maiden can please people with everything nowadays, no matter the quality.


Not for me, it cant be!

I liked "El Dorado", but "The Final Frontier" (the song) almost put me to sleep. lol There isnt the slightest bit of intensity, and the chorus is immensely repetitive. I realise what's been released so far is an edited version of the song but still... very dull. I'll give it another chance when I get the album, but I cant see that one growing on me. I think its definitely the worst opening track on a Maiden album.
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  04.08.2010 at 09:37
Written by RavenKing on 04.08.2010 at 02:47

Written by Daniell on 04.08.2010 at 01:10

As for "The Final Frontier", it's a typical short-fast-Maiden-opener, not better or worse than most of their short openers.


So, for you, a song like that can be compared to "Aces High" or "Moonchild"?
Geez, Maiden can please people with everything nowadays, no matter the quality.


Are you some klind of an oracle with exclusive rights to know what's good and what's bad? You're not, so please kindly learn to respect other people's views. It's likely that when I first listened to Iron Maiden, you had 20 years of non-existence before you, so spare me your patronising tone about "people nowadays".
Besides, I never liked "Moonchild", so yes, "The Final Frontier" is not worse.
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  04.08.2010 at 12:35
Written by Daniell on 04.08.2010 at 09:37

Written by RavenKing on 04.08.2010 at 02:47

Written by Daniell on 04.08.2010 at 01:10

As for "The Final Frontier", it's a typical short-fast-Maiden-opener, not better or worse than most of their short openers.


So, for you, a song like that can be compared to "Aces High" or "Moonchild"?
Geez, Maiden can please people with everything nowadays, no matter the quality.


Are you some klind of an oracle with exclusive rights to know what's good and what's bad? You're not, so please kindly learn to respect other people's views. It's likely that when I first listened to Iron Maiden, you had 20 years of non-existence before you, so spare me your patronising tone about "people nowadays".
Besides, I never liked "Moonchild", so yes, "The Final Frontier" is not worse.


Lol, the age argument is classic.
But anyway, he's right, I can't figure it out how TFF is even comparable to those two songs.
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RavenKing

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  04.08.2010 at 14:35
Written by Daniell on 04.08.2010 at 09:37

Are you some klind of an oracle with exclusive rights to know what's good and what's bad? You're not, so please kindly learn to respect other people's views. It's likely that when I first listened to Iron Maiden, you had 20 years of non-existence before you, so spare me your patronising tone about "people nowadays".
Besides, I never liked "Moonchild", so yes, "The Final Frontier" is not worse.


I get it. You prefer the modern sleep-inducing crap to Maiden's good material. So I guess our opinions on this band can't be reconciled.

As for "people nowadays", you're too young to see the difference, probably. But remember what happened when Maiden started to release sub-par material on NPFTD and FOTD. Their sales took a big drop and the band lost tons of fans because people had tastes back then and didn't swallow any crap like today. Perhaps if people still had tastes nowadays, metal in general would not suck so bad. And most of the stuff on NPFTD and FOTD is not as good as the old but still not as awful as the new songs. I don't dare to imagine how sales would have dropped if Maiden came up with this crap 20 years ago.

N.B. I'm used to clash with young people when it comes to Iron Maiden. For a reason I don't know, young people see this band with pink-painted glasses, overlook their flaws and immensely overrate the band in its current form. In my mind, Maiden were a great band in the 80s and among my favorites but they suck nowadays.
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  04.08.2010 at 16:33
There is no need to reconcile our different opinions - it's a wonderful thing that we don't agree on what's good/bad about Maiden, it says a lot about how good their music is. Also because we partially agree. I also think that the best Iron Maiden albums were released in the 80's. The last great one being "Seventh Son of A Seventh Son". The next very good album is "Brave New World", followed by substantially weaker "Dance of Death" (but even there there were great songs: "Montsegur", "Paschendale", "Dance of Death"). Everythign between SSoaSS and BNW is more or less crap, but even there one can find brilliant songs like "Sign of the Cross" or Fear of the Dark".
Their last so far, "A Matter of Life and Death" is a completely new enterprise in Maiden's career. Their music became much darker and progressive, and also hevier - "Brigther Than a Thousand Suns" has the heaviest riff in the history of the band. Songs like "Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg" or "The Legacy" are VERY untypical for Maiden, as are like 70% songs on this album. On this album Iron Maiden took a new path, clearly wanting to expand their musical horizons. Good for them, because "A Matter of Life and Death" is their best since "Seventh Son..."

"The Final Frontier" will make many Maiden fans cringe, cry and wriggle in disgust. The first 4 songs, "Satellite 15... The Final Frontier", "El Dorado", "Mother of Mercy" and "Coming Home" are reportedly unlike their old songs - judging by people's reactions to the first two of those, I tend to suspect this to be true. The review I read in a Polish rock magazine today tells me that the second half of the album is more typical Iron Maiden.

I'd divide Iron Maiden fans into a few categories. The first category is people who only want the 80's songs, and nothing will convince them that Maiden's later stuff is also worthy of interest. You fall into that category and you have every right to do so. After all it's up to us what we like or not, and no one can tell us otherwise. To each his own The second category, which I'd humbly like to count myself in, remains open and friendly toward the band's more recent work and sees that although different, it's still good music. Let Maiden develop please, don't expect them to give you "Hallowed Be Thy Name" with every release...

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Err, I'm THIRTY SEVEN, so unless you're 77, I don't quite get your point
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  04.08.2010 at 19:07
@daniell_p: Well said!
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  04.08.2010 at 19:26
Yeah, sadly the whole "To each his own" argument stretched out to a micro-essay to make it look better doesn't quite pack a punch these days. =|
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RavenKing

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  05.08.2010 at 00:54
Written by Daniell on 04.08.2010 at 16:33

There is no need to reconcile our different opinions - it's a wonderful thing that we don't agree on what's good/bad about Maiden, it says a lot about how good their music is. Also because we partially agree. I also think that the best Iron Maiden albums were released in the 80's. The last great one being "Seventh Son of A Seventh Son". The next very good album is "Brave New World", followed by substantially weaker "Dance of Death" (but even there there were great songs: "Montsegur", "Paschendale", "Dance of Death"). Everythign between SSoaSS and BNW is more or less crap, but even there one can find brilliant songs like "Sign of the Cross" or Fear of the Dark".
Their last so far, "A Matter of Life and Death" is a completely new enterprise in Maiden's career. Their music became much darker and progressive, and also hevier - "Brigther Than a Thousand Suns" has the heaviest riff in the history of the band. Songs like "Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg" or "The Legacy" are VERY untypical for Maiden, as are like 70% songs on this album. On this album Iron Maiden took a new path, clearly wanting to expand their musical horizons. Good for them, because "A Matter of Life and Death" is their best since "Seventh Son..."

"The Final Frontier" will make many Maiden fans cringe, cry and wriggle in disgust. The first 4 songs, "Satellite 15... The Final Frontier", "El Dorado", "Mother of Mercy" and "Coming Home" are reportedly unlike their old songs - judging by people's reactions to the first two of those, I tend to suspect this to be true. The review I read in a Polish rock magazine today tells me that the second half of the album is more typical Iron Maiden.

I'd divide Iron Maiden fans into a few categories. The first category is people who only want the 80's songs, and nothing will convince them that Maiden's later stuff is also worthy of interest. You fall into that category and you have every right to do so. After all it's up to us what we like or not, and no one can tell us otherwise. To each his own The second category, which I'd humbly like to count myself in, remains open and friendly toward the band's more recent work and sees that although different, it's still good music. Let Maiden develop please, don't expect them to give you "Hallowed Be Thy Name" with every release...

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I'm used to clash with young people when it comes to Iron Maiden

Err, I'm THIRTY SEVEN, so unless you're 77, I don't quite get your point


I think I understand your point of view now. You see differences between their stuff but it doesn't bother you. And you admit that some of the stuff is weak, unlike the fanboys who believe everything this band release is pure gold. I respect this state of mind. Of course, I don't have the same feeling about some Maiden material but it doesn't matter. I'm the kind of fan (or ex-fan, I would say) you describe. For me, the 80s stuff is great but no living person on earth will ever convince me that their material after SSOASS is good. For me, it sucks and will always suck.

About age: it was a general observation not targeted at you specifically. I had no idea how old you were. We're the same age.
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Storchillarn

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  05.08.2010 at 22:27
I don't think there are too many Maiden newbies skulking these forums so this debate is quite pointless. It's a fact that their best stuff was made in the 80's, Seventh Son being their peak, and as daniell_p pointed out, their new stuff is indeed very different and might attract a different crowd who like them for that specific sound. I think it would be disastrous if they'd try to 'pull a Metallica' and release an album where they try to mimic their old stuff in so many ways it's almost parodical. I am, however, utterly disappointed with the 2 new songs.. but 2 songs don't make an album. Let's hope they're the 'Out of the Shadows' and 'The Pilgrim' of the album. ^^
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  06.08.2010 at 19:18
Written by Storchillarn on 05.08.2010 at 22:27

I don't think there are too many Maiden newbies skulking these forums so this debate is quite pointless. It's a fact that their best stuff was made in the 80's, Seventh Son being their peak,


Views on what can be considered their peak differ immensely. For some it's Sevtnh SOn for others Powerslave yet oother think it's The Number and I am of the clan that considers Killers their peak.
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  06.08.2010 at 21:48
I consider their peak the debut itself, and I'm quite young. Lost interest in them from Dance of Death though, I probably won't even bother checking the new album.
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Storchillarn

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  07.08.2010 at 10:38
Peak or not, it was after 'Seventh Son' they started their decline musicwise, that's hard to deny for one who likes almost their entire discography. Anyways, I'm looking forward to hearing some of their newer stuff live today, Dance of Death (the song) in particular.
arwestromen

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  12.08.2010 at 12:15
By peaking do you guys mean in songwriting or popularity? because I think they peaked during the somewhere back in time tour
I saw them last saturday and I liked what I saw...I always wanted to see a setlist with only material from the 00´s
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RavenKing

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  12.08.2010 at 14:15
Written by arwestromen on 12.08.2010 at 12:15

By peaking do you guys mean in songwriting or popularity?


Songwriting.
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  12.08.2010 at 16:13
I think Maiden have always been popular. At least in the UK. Their debut reached #4 over here. "Powerslave" was the album that really made them huge in the US. I think the only point after they hit the big time that their popularity dropped was during the Blaze era. Ive seen Maiden 5 times, and the only time Ive seen them play a hall instead of an arena, was when Blaze was in the band. Right now, Maiden are probably as popular as they've ever been. Although maybe not in the US.

As for songwriting, at least in terms of consistency anyways, their peak was the 80's. In the period between 1980-1990 they released 5 albums that I consider to be flawless as they have no filler whatsoever. And the others had hardly any either. Post 1990 the only album I could say that about is "Brave New World". I do think even most fans like me who can appreciate their whole discography would concede that the 80's was when Maiden were at their finest.
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  17.08.2010 at 13:43


srsly, wtf ?
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  17.08.2010 at 13:49
Written by Zombie on 17.08.2010 at 13:43



srsly, wtf ?


Late for the party, bud.
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  17.08.2010 at 14:23
Just listening to the new album... It's really good but a strange lack of the famous harmonies that the band are known for.
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Storchillarn

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  17.08.2010 at 22:29
I don't like it. I know it's not going to grow on me like parts of A Matter of Life & Death did (the rest of it being instantly good) because there's basically nothing cool going on in the songs and the vocal melodies are really boring. Sounds like what I imagine a rehearsal of theirs might sound like, they just fool around with a couple of riffs, melodies and such. It doesn't sound like a polished and perfected album! I guess what I'm trying to say is it sounds like it could've been a good one if they replaced half of the album with something more memorable, and Bruce was 10 years younger.
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  23.08.2010 at 16:19
Hey, yeah... um... I think I found the inspiration for the last track on the new album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkV-of_eN2w

Seriously, I was listening to the album for the first time with a friend and when The Wild Wind Blows came on, we both were like, "Wow, this sounds like a Disney song." :O
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  23.08.2010 at 17:20
Written by Storchillarn on 17.08.2010 at 22:29

I don't like it. I know it's not going to grow on me like parts of A Matter of Life & Death did (the rest of it being instantly good) because there's basically nothing cool going on in the songs and the vocal melodies are really boring. Sounds like what I imagine a rehearsal of theirs might sound like, they just fool around with a couple of riffs, melodies and such. It doesn't sound like a polished and perfected album! I guess what I'm trying to say is it sounds like it could've been a good one if they replaced half of the album with something more memorable, and Bruce was 10 years younger.


Totally agreed about A Matter Of Life And Death. It did take a while for some of the songs on that to grow on me, but that was mainly because of their length, rather than the quality of the songs themselves. Overall, AMOLAD is a far better album than The Final Frontier, imo.
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  26.08.2010 at 13:40
Listened to the new album, and I have no intention of doing that again.
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  26.08.2010 at 17:56
Written by K†ulu on 26.08.2010 at 13:40

Listened to the new album, and I have no intention of doing that again.
haha... same. It felt like dragging and dragging while there's an endless list of better things to listen to, including their own classics.

Love you new avatar btw
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  26.08.2010 at 22:03
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Written by Ag Fox on 26.08.2010 at 17:56

Listened to the new album, and I have no intention of doing that again.
haha... same. It felt like dragging and dragging while there's an endless list of better things to listen to, including their own classics.


Yeah, it actually inspired me to listen to stuff off of their previous three albums... and X-Factor stuff too. No joke! :O I stopped the album... and put in Brave New World. XD
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  26.08.2010 at 22:08
Written by Ag Fox on 26.08.2010 at 17:56

Written by K†ulu on 26.08.2010 at 13:40

Listened to the new album, and I have no intention of doing that again.
haha... same. It felt like dragging and dragging while there's an endless list of better things to listen to, including their own classics.

Love you new avatar btw

Thanks! It felt like it was time to change the old one, which had been on forever.

First impressions might often be misleading, but I just don't want to listen to it another time (especially when I recall the length of the album...)
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  27.08.2010 at 01:27
Quote:
Written by K†ulu on 26.08.2010 at 22:08

Written by Ag Fox on 26.08.2010 at 17:56

Written by K†ulu on 26.08.2010 at 13:40

Listened to the new album, and I have no intention of doing that again.
haha... same. It felt like dragging and dragging while there's an endless list of better things to listen to, including their own classics.

Love you new avatar btw

Thanks! It felt like it was time to change the old one, which had been on forever.

First impressions might often be misleading, but I just don't want to listen to it another time (especially when I recall the length of the album...)
I quite like the old one too, though I have no idea what it meant. But Grin sure is great
I know what you mean about first impressions, but I felt exactly the same way. I just want to enjoy my music, not like doing homework or something XD

Written by Fat & Sassy! on 26.08.2010 at 22:03

Written by Ag Fox on 26.08.2010 at 17:56

Listened to the new album, and I have no intention of doing that again.
haha... same. It felt like dragging and dragging while there's an endless list of better things to listen to, including their own classics.


Yeah, it actually inspired me to listen to stuff off of their previous three albums... and X-Factor stuff too. No joke! :O I stopped the album... and put in Brave New World. XD

I started playing the track "For The Greater Good Of God" instead. Don't know why but I just like it
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  27.08.2010 at 12:03
Written by Ag Fox on 27.08.2010 at 01:27

I started playing the track "For The Greater Good Of God" instead. Don't know why but I just like it


Definitely the best track in AMOLAD, dark progressive song, quite unlike typical Maiden.
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  27.08.2010 at 21:35
Written by Daniell on 27.08.2010 at 12:03

Written by Ag Fox on 27.08.2010 at 01:27

I started playing the track "For The Greater Good Of God" instead. Don't know why but I just like it


Definitely the best track in AMOLAD, dark progressive song, quite unlike typical Maiden.


Yeah, the last three tracks are only ones I really listen to off that album... when I'm in the mood. Lord of Light kinda packs that punch I feel the rest of the album lacks, and the Legacy is EPIC.
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  28.08.2010 at 22:05
Written by Angelic Storm on 12.08.2010 at 16:13

I do think even most fans like me who can appreciate their whole discography would concede that the 80's was when Maiden were at their finest.

yup, i do appreciate most of their discography and the only albums that to me are uninteresting are the 90s albums(but only them as a whole, because individual songs like Fear Of The Dark obviously or Sign Of The Cross and The Clansman are still great)

from BNW onwards i'd say they have kept the same moderately high standard of quality throughout their albums throughout the 2000's.. which is still shit compared to pretty much any of their 80s albums, including the not-so-obvious-favorites like Piece of Mind or Somewhere In Time.
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