Chapter One: The planning of the Defeat

It's common to the loser make plans to change his life, like if he could control his luck, in intention to reach a new level in the society. But the destination is a machine mal-intentioned, in which the loser lost the instruction manual. Because of that, build plans, search for help or establish a ''shell'' serve only as route to a advertised defeat.
When plotting in his limited brain any possibility of change, the loser starts to work, in general, with infinite variables. From which he doesn't have the minor control, but are fundamental for his plan to work. Theres no need to say that if one of that variables fail, everything goes down the toilet.
To make things worse, the loser, from the time of the creation of his crazy plan, and even before putting it into practice, its already imagining (in an almost cinematographic way) how his new life will be wonderful. All that based just on his iminent and improbable success.
The problem is that all this planning, often obsessive, may give a false hope that the loser will get something. Could be a healthy way to spend the free time, but should not be encouraged.
What really happens is that the loser spent lots of time creating stratagems, trying to influence the right people, but when the time comes, he is neglect in favor of someone more qualified. It would be sad, if wasn't pathetic.
Doesnt matter how many times the loser tries, he's gotta put in his mind that there is no way out of his catastrophic situation.
Planning a defeat, knowing that will lose, its considerably less frustrating than desire the non-achievable victory. Thats why the loser, as it was said before, always need to set priorities and reduce expectations. The person can't deal with certain situations thinking that everything will end up well, the damages could be irreversibles.
Besides it all, its not a feature of the loser conquer things by virtue of his unique effort or intelligence. The loser needs to take a ride in a truck full of luck to get what he wants. And that does not happen every day. That is why its important to the loser never to plan his victories, carefully constructing its losses. The big advantage is that there are no surprises at the end.

Continue...

Well, there must be many grammatical errors, sorry for that, the original is in portuguese.

Chapter Two: Loser's Phylosophy

Despite the loser of today thinks himself as an creature without a future, and unable to climb the ladder of social hierarchy, this interesting human species has already passed through such existential problems since the ancient times. Yes, in ancient Greece, birthplace of Plato and Socrates, representatives of the losers already existed on, hanging out and without hope of victory.
The greatest exponent of all was the philosopher Zenon. As everyone knows, at the time, being a philosopher was, so to speak, being in fashion. All mothers wanted their children to wander, theorizing about the humanity and the existence. Zenon ascended, as any good loser, for the request of his mother. But our companion in misfortune was contemporary of people like Aristoteles and Epicurus. Therefore, he had no chance at all.
Zenon, since could never win intellectually, created a philosophical system that enhances defeat: the stoicism. For him, the indifference is the only viable approach in a life where the struggle for existence is doomed to an inevitable defeat. Furthermore, if the victory is impossible, should be solemnly spurned. To Zenon, the secret of peace is not making our accomplishments equal to our desires, but lower our wishes to the level of our achievements.
Needless to say, even in ancient Greece existed more losers than winners, and the stoic phylosophy spreaded rapidly. The idea of ''apatheia'' (apathy) became national mania. A famous story of the time shows Zenon punishing a slave for committing a foul. The poor man claimed philosophically (remember that in Greece everybody loved to philosophize) that he was designed to commit the error, in accordance with the stoicism. The master replied calmly that also he was sentenced to unfairly punish the slave, in accordance with the stoicism. And, of course, beat the crap out of the poor creature.
In a certain way, Zenon is a master of the losers of all time. But his philosophy lasts until today. It is subject of studies, theses and dissertations. So it means that, right or wrong, Zenon has became a winner! Even so the reader of this text now found a philosophical way of looking at life. Not that much will change. After all, the loser has a natural tendency for failure. But now he can brag about wasting his life with a little more class. Better than losing, is losing ''stoitically''...

Written by Uirapuru on 21.09.2008 at 09:38

But now he can brag about wasting his life with a little more class. Better than losing, is losing ''stoitically''...

hahaha...good point, but you didn't say anything about your intention of opening this thread.
if it's a matter of philosophizing (about Stoicism, Apathy or whatsoever), i'm always willing to take part...

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 23.09.2008 at 21:24

Written by Uirapuru on 21.09.2008 at 09:38

But now he can brag about wasting his life with a little more class. Better than losing, is losing ''stoitically''...

hahaha...good point, but you didn't say anything about your intention of opening this thread.
if it's a matter of philosophizing (about Stoicism, Apathy or whatsoever), i'm always willing to take part...

It is kind a philosophy thread, since i try to put in the texts racional elements who represents the situation of some people (most of the world population maybe?) in existence. I call them ''losers'' to emphasize their pathetic and short existence, crawling in the earth like roaches before turning into worm food. It is funny to show in a satirical way how useless life is, and how the tentatives to change things results just in new disappointments... the real point is: If you fit in that loser concept, never care about what possibly can happen to you, and never try to change things, just wait patiently for something to happen.. its the ''Non-do'' art, that ill bring in the next chapters.
I love to discuss phylosophy, if someone has something to share about.. but as a good loser i've learn never to expect anything, so i just hope that nobody take all this very seriously (is not recommended )


Chapter Three: The three concepts

In this chapter we will discuss three concepts of extreme importance to the understanding of this problematic creature that is the loser: a) Concept of Natural Trend; b) Concept of Artificial Exception; c) Concept of Divine Intervention.

a) Concept of Natural Trend: the loser must since early become familiar with the concept of natural trend. The deal amounts to a theory of evolution applied (remember Darwin and the natural selection story, noticed the pattern?), that only the best adapted survive. Which means, anyone but the loser... life is like that, only completly different.
It works kinda like this: if the loser is adapted, he will not be selected. If he is not adapted, much less... So the loser will spend a good part of his life trying to get this capability that he does not have.
Of course, there are exceptions, that will be dicussed in the next topic.

b) Concept of Artificial Exception: It happens when, countering any and all negative prognostics, a loser is selected and begins to be part of this thing i call, in the absence of something better, productive society.
The loser then act almost instinctively in two ways: 1) he find a way of losing everything quickly 2) or he loses everything gradually over time, after a brief period of false stability (when he actually thinks that all his dreams will come true).
It is very important for the loser to understand this concept, because the false illusion of hope can be fatal. At such times the loser commits all sorts of crazy attitudes, some often irreversibles, such as: marriage, children and these things.

c) Concept of Divine Intervention (the one that never happens): Also called by some theorists as ''heavenly exception'' or simply ''miracle''. This is a purely theoretical concept with no practical basement, used only as objects of study. It is when the loser, against all odds already known by man, manages not only to be chosen, but also become an actual useful person in society. Some scholars usually include the concept of Divine Intervention as an example of what happened to the nerd community with the advent of the Internet. But, as an optimist, i prefer to believe that humanity has not declined that much...

Written by Uirapuru on 24.09.2008 at 05:17

It is kind a philosophy thread....i've learn never to expect anything, so i just hope that nobody take all this very seriously (is not recommended )

great!! then you can count on me for being here too often.
unfortunately the title is a little offensive, you know.....just kidding, i don't really care.

Written by Uirapuru on 24.09.2008 at 05:17

The deal amounts to a theory of evolution applied (remember Darwin and the natural selection story, noticed the pattern?), that only the best adapted survive. Which means, anyone but the loser... life is like that, only completly different.

not actually. lets go into the realm of evolutionary psychology. i once read an article which described the possitive evolutionary role of depression in particular circumstances by increasing the likelihood of surviving and reproduction, kinda like physical pain or nausea.
though depression affects the person in the first place but it also imposes the family, the friends, the co-workers, etc some costs and compels 'em to do what that peson actually wanted.
it has another adaptive role: preserving energy. instead of wasting one's energy on something unachieveable, the depressed will save it for more valuable and probable goals leading to survival and a better realistic social life.
so it may not be a kind of pathology as it seems to be.
that was in cases of light to moderate depression, but what about major depression that is likely to lead to suicide?
this is the senario: you die and let your relatives pass on similar genes.
one may wonder what the point of this harsh hypothesis is? it suggests finding the root of sadness in life (job,family,lovelife...) in order to improve one's life instead of prescribing drugs to hide the symptoms.

Written by Uirapuru on 24.09.2008 at 05:17

b) Concept of Artificial Exception: It happens when, countering any and all negative prognostics, a loser is selected and begins to be part of this thing i call, in the absence of something better, productive society.
The loser then act almost instinctively in two ways: 1) he find a way of losing everything quickly 2) or he loses everything gradually over time, after a brief period of false stability (when he actually thinks that all his dreams will come true).

would you explain it more detailed? cos it seems to be a belief in determinism or that you're talking about someone weak-minded who can't manage his life even when everything is in the right path.
suppose a competent guy who lives in a strongly hierarchical society and therefore is a loser, he accidentally finds the apportunity of living in an open society, don't you think his life will improve instead of losing everything whether gradually or suddenly?

Written by Uirapuru on 24.09.2008 at 05:17

Some scholars usually include the concept of Divine Intervention as an example of what happened to the nerd community with the advent of the Internet. But, as an optimist, i prefer to believe that humanity has not declined that much...

why is it a decline?




what do you think the difference between this "non-do" idea and nihilism is? i mean is Meursault (The main character of the book "The Stranger") one of those losers you mentioned?
pffffffff...it's already long so i'll write about nihilism later...

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 24.09.2008 at 23:27

not actually. lets go into the realm of evolutionary psychology. i once read an article which described the possitive evolutionary role of depression in particular circumstances by increasing the likelihood of surviving and reproduction, kinda like physical pain or nausea.

And that sucks doesnt it? Actually, the analogy with the theory of evolution was rather vague, it is about the loser not being ''adapted'' to establish a role at the productive society... either by their lack of intelligence or will (the well know sloth). It has nothing to do with the species survival or reproduction issues. But this article that you have read couldnt be more right, depression is indeed the decisive factor in the issue of species reproduction. Because, as it is known, where there is depression there are drugs and alcohol (and there is no better catalyst to sexual relations than these two).

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 24.09.2008 at 23:27

though depression affects the person in the first place but it also imposes the family, the friends, the co-workers, etc some costs and compels 'em to do what that peson actually wanted.

in that case the person is not a total loser, is a manipulative figure, a disgusting creature that can actually furfill some of his desires. Only by exploiting others thou, which in most of cases probably means that the person is not depressive, its just needy and pathetic (since they have some desires accomplished through manipulation, doesnt matter how anguish or empty the person feels, it is at least a little less miserable.)

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 24.09.2008 at 23:27

it has another adaptive role: preserving energy. instead of wasting one's energy on something unachieveable, the depressed will save it for more valuable and probable goals leading to survival and a better realistic social life.

This is the real meaning of the ''non-do'' art: always waiting, never doing anything, the ''loser'' fools himself by actually believing that a true moment of realization will arrive from nothing. That ''preserved energy'' is never really used, its just an illusion, an excuse for being useless. This kind of meaning and hope respresents the pure form of the loser.

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 24.09.2008 at 23:27

one may wonder what the point of this harsh hypothesis is? it suggests finding the root of sadness in life (job,family,lovelife...) in order to improve one's life instead of prescribing drugs to hide the symptoms.

There is no right answer for this. I just take conclusions from what I see everyday. There is never an improvement, whether in employment or in the family or anything in life.. the only thing that improves through time its the sadness.. im not saying that everyone is miserable all the time, good moments always arise, but they are rare and short. Im not a psychologist or philosopher or anything, but it seems to me (and probably to everyone ) that life follows through values directly proportional? more experience, (always) more disappointments, more sadness etc. So the answer to avoid becoming insane Is to never expect anything, and never do anything to change your possible stable life. Using prescribed drugs or consuming alcohol is as effective as a possible good change, the effect is guaranteed and there is little chance of disappointment (and bonus helps the loser with his self-destruct plan).

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 24.09.2008 at 23:27

why is it a decline?

The problem is not just the nerds, but the allocation of its growth to divine intervention. And I write ''not just'' the nerds, because of their similarities with the losers. As it says in a text that ill post later, every loser is Nerd, but not all nerds are losers. (its just a stupid joke , better ignore it).

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 24.09.2008 at 23:27

what do you think the difference between this "non-do" idea and nihilism is? i mean is Meursault (The main character of the book "The Stranger") one of those losers you mentioned?

About the nihilism, there are some kind of similarities. Im not a specialist in the concept (not even close), but the ''non-do'' sure is similar to the ''negative aspect'' of the nihilism, representing the decline, the inability to move forward and the kind of extreme relativism, in which there are no principles (like the ''death of God'' thing, I guess). And of course, there is also the absence of a universal rule or criteria (except for the universal rule that the losers will always lose, as i like to goof around with )

About ''The Stranger'', I do not know this book, but I have searched around and it seems pretty interesting.. gotta check it sometime.

Written by Uirapuru on 25.09.2008 at 06:24

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 24.09.2008 at 23:27

not actually. lets go into the realm of evolutionary psychology. i once read an article which described the possitive evolutionary role of depression in particular circumstances by increasing the likelihood of surviving and reproduction, kinda like physical pain or nausea.

And that sucks doesnt it? Actually, the analogy with the theory of evolution was rather vague, it is about the loser not being ''adapted'' to establish a role at the productive society... either by their lack of intelligence or will (the well know sloth). It has nothing to do with the species survival or reproduction issues. But this article that you have read couldnt be more right, depression is indeed the decisive factor in the issue of species reproduction. Because, as it is known, where there is depression there are drugs and alcohol (and there is no better catalyst to sexual relations than these two).

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 24.09.2008 at 23:27

though depression affects the person in the first place but it also imposes the family, the friends, the co-workers, etc some costs and compels 'em to do what that peson actually wanted.

in that case the person is not a total loser, is a manipulative figure, a disgusting creature that can actually furfill some of his desires. Only by exploiting others thou, which in most of cases probably means that the person is not depressive, its just needy and pathetic (since they have some desires accomplished through manipulation, doesnt matter how anguish or empty the person feels, it is at least a little less miserable.)

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 24.09.2008 at 23:27

it has another adaptive role: preserving energy. instead of wasting one's energy on something unachieveable, the depressed will save it for more valuable and probable goals leading to survival and a better realistic social life.

This is the real meaning of the ''non-do'' art: always waiting, never doing anything, the ''loser'' fools himself by actually believing that a true moment of realization will arrive from nothing. That ''preserved energy'' is never really used, its just an illusion, an excuse for being useless. This kind of meaning and hope respresents the pure form of the loser.

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 24.09.2008 at 23:27

one may wonder what the point of this harsh hypothesis is? it suggests finding the root of sadness in life (job,family,lovelife...) in order to improve one's life instead of prescribing drugs to hide the symptoms.

There is no right answer for this. I just take conclusions from what I see everyday. There is never an improvement, whether in employment or in the family or anything in life.. the only thing that improves through time its the sadness.. im not saying that everyone is miserable all the time, good moments always arise, but they are rare and short. Im not a psychologist or philosopher or anything, but it seems to me (and probably to everyone ) that life follows through values directly proportional? more experience, (always) more disappointments, more sadness etc. So the answer to avoid becoming insane Is to never expect anything, and never do anything to change your possible stable life. Using prescribed drugs or consuming alcohol is as effective as a possible good change, the effect is guaranteed and there is little chance of disappointment (and bonus helps the loser with his self-destruct plan).

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 24.09.2008 at 23:27

why is it a decline?

The problem is not just the nerds, but the allocation of its growth to divine intervention. And I write ''not just'' the nerds, because of their similarities with the losers. As it says in a text that ill post later, every loser is Nerd, but not all nerds are losers. (its just a stupid joke , better ignore it).

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 24.09.2008 at 23:27

what do you think the difference between this "non-do" idea and nihilism is? i mean is Meursault (The main character of the book "The Stranger") one of those losers you mentioned?

About the nihilism, there are some kind of similarities. Im not a specialist in the concept (not even close), but the ''non-do'' sure is similar to the ''negative aspect'' of the nihilism, representing the decline, the inability to move forward and the kind of extreme relativism, in which there are no principles (like the ''death of God'' thing, I guess). And of course, there is also the absence of a universal rule or criteria (except for the universal rule that the losers will always lose, as i like to goof around with )

About ''The Stranger'', I do not know this book, but I have searched around and it seems pretty interesting.. gotta check it sometime.

your crazy, you write too much and you have way too much time on your hands,
besides all that, you are right, I was a loser once, and still am in a sense, the point is that i've given up and now, funnily enough, im cooler, people are accepting me as i am, a full blown computer nerd, and they like me for that, im not trying to be someone im not, i might say a few thing that are wrong.
Now somebody has taken over as the new loser, and, well, im one of the 'cool' kids and i pick on him,
he has to learn.

Written by PsychoNerd on 25.09.2008 at 07:01


your crazy, you write too much and you have way too much time on your hands,
besides all that, you are right, I was a loser once, and still am in a sense, the point is that i've given up and now, funnily enough, im cooler, people are accepting me as i am, a full blown computer nerd, and they like me for that, im not trying to be someone im not, i might say a few thing that are wrong.
Now somebody has taken over as the new loser, and, well, im one of the 'cool' kids and i pick on him,
he has to learn.

Its not about being cool; its also not a question of being accepted for who you are. As a person, you sure have family, friends and people who love you, but thats not gonna prevent you from being miserable with the time. A loser its not just a person with socialization problems, he has to be incompetent, stupid, lazy, naive and insecure... and i am sure most of the world population presents at least 5 of these 6 symptoms. The ''winner'', most of the times, presents only as advantge a higher degree of socialization, but as a person, he is also full of demeaning flaws, which of course will torture him during his life.

Don't take all that talk too much seriously, my texts are full of contradictions, they have an ironical nature... i write them for fun and to discuss some bitter inspired phylosophy.

This seems to be a very defeatist philosophy. Don't have high expectations because you won't reach them. Don't try to get closer to your ideal life and become your ideal self because you'll fail and that's depressing. That seems like a fair summary.

You can wander through life in an aimless daze accepting whatever comes your way or you can try and take control of your own fate. I don't think people should try to be comfortable with their life. They should constantly try to make it better even if setting certain goals and failing to reach them easily is frustrating and depressing. If you set your goals in life high, you'll get a lot closer to them even if you'll never be perfect.

Mmhh...the solutions to losers its simple, its actually an episode of Seinfeld xD, George Constanza (the real loser) always made wrong decisions, so Jerry said to him "If every instinct you have its wrong then the opposite would be the right thing", he did that and everything started to go in the right direction, he hooked up with a beautiful girl, got a really good job, moved out from his parents house. In the DVD of that season the actors were talking about that episode and the guy who's character was George Constanza said that a lot of people did that and had good experiences...

PD: I didnt actually read the whole topic 'cause it was too long, but this is just my opinion