Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 09:31

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 00:28

I don't see any comparison, Chuck was one of the pioneers of Death Metal.... while Dimebag, while I still enjoy listening to Pantera, basically had little to no influence on the genre.

Well, in the nineties Pantera was keeping Thrash alive, and exploring a new genre of Groove Thrash. And man, Dimebag had a unique, distinguishable style. How do can you not hear it?

That is very true, and yes, there is no other that has a style like Dimebag, but I just don't see any influence from him in newer artists.

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 23:24

Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 09:31

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 00:28

I don't see any comparison, Chuck was one of the pioneers of Death Metal.... while Dimebag, while I still enjoy listening to Pantera, basically had little to no influence on the genre.

Well, in the nineties Pantera was keeping Thrash alive, and exploring a new genre of Groove Thrash. And man, Dimebag had a unique, distinguishable style. How do can you not hear it?

That is very true, and yes, there is no other that has a style like Dimebag, but I just don't see any influence from him in newer artists.

Ok. What influence do you see in newer artists from Chuck?

Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 23:35

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 23:24

Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 09:31

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 00:28

I don't see any comparison, Chuck was one of the pioneers of Death Metal.... while Dimebag, while I still enjoy listening to Pantera, basically had little to no influence on the genre.

Well, in the nineties Pantera was keeping Thrash alive, and exploring a new genre of Groove Thrash. And man, Dimebag had a unique, distinguishable style. How do can you not hear it?

That is very true, and yes, there is no other that has a style like Dimebag, but I just don't see any influence from him in newer artists.

Ok. What influence do you see in newer artists from Chuck?

I honestly cannot name any individual artests at the moment... but come on, be did kind of -help- (not giving him all the credit) invent Death Metal.... So you could pretty much name anyone that play Death Metal.

And I have to re-word that previous post. I don't see influence from Dimebag him in -many- newer artists. I don't mean to say that he didn't have any influence at all.

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 23:50

Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 23:35

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 23:24

Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 09:31

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 00:28

I don't see any comparison, Chuck was one of the pioneers of Death Metal.... while Dimebag, while I still enjoy listening to Pantera, basically had little to no influence on the genre.

Well, in the nineties Pantera was keeping Thrash alive, and exploring a new genre of Groove Thrash. And man, Dimebag had a unique, distinguishable style. How do can you not hear it?

That is very true, and yes, there is no other that has a style like Dimebag, but I just don't see any influence from him in newer artists.

Ok. What influence do you see in newer artists from Chuck?

I honestly cannot name any individual artests at the moment... but come on, be did kind of -help- (not giving him all the credit) invent Death Metal.... So you could pretty much name anyone that play Death Metal.

And I have to re-word that previous post. I don't see influence from Dimebag him in -many- newer artists. I don't mean to say that he didn't have any influence at all.

. Well, your original post says, "...little to no influence" :-D Ok. forget about it.

Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 23:54

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 23:50

Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 23:35

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 23:24

Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 09:31

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 00:28

I don't see any comparison, Chuck was one of the pioneers of Death Metal.... while Dimebag, while I still enjoy listening to Pantera, basically had little to no influence on the genre.

Well, in the nineties Pantera was keeping Thrash alive, and exploring a new genre of Groove Thrash. And man, Dimebag had a unique, distinguishable style. How do can you not hear it?

That is very true, and yes, there is no other that has a style like Dimebag, but I just don't see any influence from him in newer artists.

Ok. What influence do you see in newer artists from Chuck?

I honestly cannot name any individual artests at the moment... but come on, be did kind of -help- (not giving him all the credit) invent Death Metal.... So you could pretty much name anyone that play Death Metal.

And I have to re-word that previous post. I don't see influence from Dimebag him in -many- newer artists. I don't mean to say that he didn't have any influence at all.

. Well, your original post says, "...little to no influence" :-D

Yes, I aplogise, I take that back, I meant to say very little influence. No, I wouldn't say he had no influence at all.

All that I see with this thread is pinning two guitarists against each other because they are dead...there is no real musical relation except for them being metal...Dimbag was loud just to be effective in many cases based off of primate blues/jazz licks but just made super loud and distorted...Chuck had a lot of structure and composition behind what he did...Chuck is a million times better than Dimebag...and as far as influences with Chuck...the death metal scene was building up around him because in the mid 80s, Chuck was releasing ground-breaking material that had only been hinted at with bands such as Slayer...any death metal bands that you listen to today, you can thank Chuck for it...

Written by Guest on 24.10.2008 at 00:56

All that I see with this thread is pinning two guitarists against each other because they are dead...there is no real musical relation except for them being metal...Dimbag was loud just to be effective in many cases based off of primate blues/jazz licks but just made super loud and distorted...Chuck had a lot of structure and composition behind what he did...Chuck is a million times better than Dimebag...and as far as influences with Chuck...the death metal scene was building up around him because in the mid 80s, Chuck was releasing ground-breaking material that had only been hinted at with bands such as Slayer...any death metal bands that you listen to today, you can thank Chuck for it...

My sentiments exactly?

Written by Guest on 24.10.2008 at 00:56

All that I see with this thread is pinning two guitarists against each other because they are dead...there is no real musical relation except for them being metal...Dimbag was loud just to be effective in many cases based off of primate blues/jazz licks but just made super loud and distorted...Chuck had a lot of structure and composition behind what he did...Chuck is a million times better than Dimebag...and as far as influences with Chuck...the death metal scene was building up around him because in the mid 80s, Chuck was releasing ground-breaking material that had only been hinted at with bands such as Slayer...any death metal bands that you listen to today, you can thank Chuck for it...

Wow... Brilliant ! ^^ i couldn't do better

Written by Guest on 24.10.2008 at 00:56

All that I see with this thread is pinning two guitarists against each other because they are dead...there is no real musical relation except for them being metal...Dimbag was loud just to be effective in many cases based off of primate blues/jazz licks but just made super loud and distorted...Chuck had a lot of structure and composition behind what he did...Chuck is a million times better than Dimebag...and as far as influences with Chuck...the death metal scene was building up around him because in the mid 80s, Chuck was releasing ground-breaking material that had only been hinted at with bands such as Slayer...any death metal bands that you listen to today, you can thank Chuck for it...

Well said. Chuck is as a overall guitarplayer better. I like pantera a lot and dimes playing style kicks big ass. But there are not many bands i can listen to the whole entire day.....Chuck's music i can listen to constantly. That means something if you ask me. His music is more divers and written with more depth, skill and feeling, i think.

Chuck is as a musician a lot better and personally he touches me more with his music then dimebag, thats why i voted for him.

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Written by Guib on 05.10.2008 at 18:46

Ahem.. why comparing a god with a simple Guitarist ?? (GO CHUCK)

Since when is Chuck a God? And why the hell would you call him a God? No musician is God (except of course Lemmy )

Since when is Chuck a God? And why the hell would you call him a God? No musician is God (except of course Attila Csihar )

Nah he's Satan

I voted for Dimebag - he just has a more distinct playing style. Within a few seconds of a Pantera song you know that it's Pantera.

I dont know why some people here say that they like dimebag more "because" they can clearly hear in a few seconds of a pantera song, that its pantera"....thats a bit strange to say because i can hear that (and a lot others) with chucks music to, for if there is one guitarplayer with a unique playing style, its Chuck.

So thats just a lame reason.

I voted Chuck. As I said in other threads : Chuck's influence in the metal scene is so important.
He was far ahead of his time.

By the way, Chuck's last name is misspelled... it's Schuldiner...

You guys really think that Dimebag haven't influenced metal genres??
What about this whole southern metal shit and groove metal?
and in Finland there are lots of bands and guitarists which are heavily influenced by Dimebag

Written by Guest on 16.12.2008 at 09:14

You guys really think that Dimebag haven't influenced metal genres??
What about this whole southern metal shit and groove metal?
and in Finland there are lots of bands and guitarists which are heavily influenced by Dimebag

Bah...

Dimebag was a over rated guitar player IMO. Chuck is way out of his league musically. But I guess this is about influence. So I say Dimebag because people like guys named after weed.

Dimebag was a seriously overrated guitar player, and his influence was mostly in the wrong direction. Pantera pretty much based much of their sound of an older groovy thrash band called Exhorder (a MUCH better band than Pantera), simplified the sound, added some southern rock influences, and added a lot more groove to it to create some kind of groove based and seriously dumbed down variant of thrash. This later turned into groove metal, which is one of the worst things that's ever happened to metal (this influence messed up a fuckton of the older thrash bands and turned them to shit, and groove metal is one of the major players in what led to defining the sound of nu metal). He was also not a guitar god of any kind. Most Pantera riffs were simple, and Damageplan was an absolute shit band from beginning to end anyway, so I care little about what he did there. I actually wonder how many people would be praising Dimebag if he wasn't dead. It seems to have become some kind of trend to go all "RIP Dimebag he was so ultra awesome" every time Pantera is mentioned, and it's even come to corporate exploitation of his death (RIP Dimebag shirts and so on).

I don't listen to Pantera on any regular basis (even if I've heard all the albums, since I used to in the past when I liked groove metal). I don't think Pantera were any good. I think Pantera is WAAYY overrated. Pantera had a huge influence, yes, but that influence rangerd from being unimportant and forgotten to downright detrimental to metal as a whole (thrash metal especially). Pantera also sure as hell did not keep thrash alive in the 90s, in fact, they are one of the two bands that have come the closest to killing thrash metal (the other one being Metallica after the Black Album).

Chuck, on the other hand, was involved in the process of inventing death metal, and axplored some seriously interesting territory with Death's later progressive material. Death are way out of Pantera's league. In fact, they are so much out of Pantera's league that if Pantera's league were to send up signal flares, or even blow themselves up with a nuclear warhead for that matter, Death would still probably not notice.

Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 07.02.2009 at 13:05

Dimebag was a seriously overrated guitar player, and his influence was mostly in the wrong direction. Pantera pretty much based much of their sound of an older groovy thrash band called Exhorder (a MUCH better band than Pantera), simplified the sound, added some southern rock influences, and added a lot more groove to it to create some kind of groove based and seriously dumbed down variant of thrash. This later turned into groove metal, which is one of the worst things that's ever happened to metal (this influence messed up a fuckton of the older thrash bands and turned them to shit, and groove metal is one of the major players in what led to defining the sound of nu metal). He was also not a guitar god of any kind. Most Pantera riffs were simple, and Damageplan was an absolute shit band from beginning to end anyway, so I care little about what he did there. I actually wonder how many people would be praising Dimebag if he wasn't dead. It seems to have become some kind of trend to go all "RIP Dimebag he was so ultra awesome" every time Pantera is mentioned, and it's even come to corporate exploitation of his death (RIP Dimebag shirts and so on).

I don't listen to Pantera on any regular basis (even if I've heard all the albums, since I used to in the past when I liked groove metal). I don't think Pantera were any good. I think Pantera is WAAYY overrated. Pantera had a huge influence, yes, but that influence rangerd from being unimportant and forgotten to downright detrimental to metal as a whole (thrash metal especially). Pantera also sure as hell did not keep thrash alive in the 90s, in fact, they are one of the two bands that have come the closest to killing thrash metal (the other one being Metallica after the Black Album).

Chuck, on the other hand, was involved in the process of inventing death metal, and axplored some seriously interesting territory with Death's later progressive material. Death are way out of Pantera's league. In fact, they are so much out of Pantera's league that if Pantera's league were to send up signal flares, or even blow themselves up with a nuclear warhead for that matter, Death would still probably not notice.

You are absolutely right...

Chuck explored different sounds and tried alot of things and besides hes a way better musician than Dimebag.

Written by Guib on 07.02.2009 at 19:54

Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 07.02.2009 at 13:05

Dimebag was a seriously overrated guitar player, and his influence was mostly in the wrong direction. Pantera pretty much based much of their sound of an older groovy thrash band called Exhorder (a MUCH better band than Pantera), simplified the sound, added some southern rock influences, and added a lot more groove to it to create some kind of groove based and seriously dumbed down variant of thrash. This later turned into groove metal, which is one of the worst things that's ever happened to metal (this influence messed up a fuckton of the older thrash bands and turned them to shit, and groove metal is one of the major players in what led to defining the sound of nu metal). He was also not a guitar god of any kind. Most Pantera riffs were simple, and Damageplan was an absolute shit band from beginning to end anyway, so I care little about what he did there. I actually wonder how many people would be praising Dimebag if he wasn't dead. It seems to have become some kind of trend to go all "RIP Dimebag he was so ultra awesome" every time Pantera is mentioned, and it's even come to corporate exploitation of his death (RIP Dimebag shirts and so on).

I don't listen to Pantera on any regular basis (even if I've heard all the albums, since I used to in the past when I liked groove metal). I don't think Pantera were any good. I think Pantera is WAAYY overrated. Pantera had a huge influence, yes, but that influence rangerd from being unimportant and forgotten to downright detrimental to metal as a whole (thrash metal especially). Pantera also sure as hell did not keep thrash alive in the 90s, in fact, they are one of the two bands that have come the closest to killing thrash metal (the other one being Metallica after the Black Album).

Chuck, on the other hand, was involved in the process of inventing death metal, and axplored some seriously interesting territory with Death's later progressive material. Death are way out of Pantera's league. In fact, they are so much out of Pantera's league that if Pantera's league were to send up signal flares, or even blow themselves up with a nuclear warhead for that matter, Death would still probably not notice.

You are absolutely right...

Chuck explored different sounds and tried alot of things and besides hes a way better musician than Dimebag.

to you for understanding the truth. The majority of metalheads seem to get serious amounts of sand in their vaginas if they catch you bashing Pantera (or making any statement indicating you don't think they're gods). I seriously expected to be flamed to death for posting that, but the truth still needs to be told. We should not idolize a band that corrupted metal.

Hell, some American guy even threatened to kill me once because I said that Pantera were a detrimental influence to metal.

Im american and I think Pantera is a crappy band with a few good songs. If you really want to get attacked tell people who like classic rock that the Eagles suck. Which they do.

This is hard. chuck's music was waay more brutal than Pantera but Dimebag would be someone i would want to instantly wanna party with. its all a matter of situation and mood.

Written by LeChron James on 08.02.2009 at 14:23

This is hard. chuck's music was waay more brutal than Pantera but Dimebag would be someone i would want to instantly wanna party with. its all a matter of situation and mood.

you should watch Pantera's DVD 3 Vulgar Videos from hell...4 hours of br00tal partying!

Written by Guest on 08.02.2009 at 05:35

Im american and I think Pantera is a crappy band with a few good songs. If you really want to get attacked tell people who like classic rock that the Eagles suck. Which they do.

The Eagles do suck horrible hairy balls that is the truth.

Ontopic: the real question should be: who get's dramatized more? in that case I think Chuck

Written by VPeter on 08.02.2009 at 18:12

Written by Guest on 08.02.2009 at 05:35

Im american and I think Pantera is a crappy band with a few good songs. If you really want to get attacked tell people who like classic rock that the Eagles suck. Which they do.

The Eagles do suck horrible hairy balls that is the truth.

Ontopic: the real question should be: who get's dramatized more? in that case I think Chuck

Have you been living under a rock or something? The dramatization of Chuck's death is on such a low scale in comparison to Dimebag's that the question becomes ridiculous. If you go out to the majority of what I'd like to call "lesser metalheads", for instance, they will praise the hell out of Dimebag but don't even know there was a guy named Chuck who died. When companies start producing t-shirts and posters with something like "RIP Chuck Schuldiner the greatest guitar player to walk the Earth", then I'm inclined to believe you. Otherwise the very though of Chuck's death being more dramatized is utter bullshit.

Among us metalheads who don't care that much for Pantera perhaps, but not among any other people.

Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 08.02.2009 at 18:29

Written by VPeter on 08.02.2009 at 18:12

Written by Guest on 08.02.2009 at 05:35

Im american and I think Pantera is a crappy band with a few good songs. If you really want to get attacked tell people who like classic rock that the Eagles suck. Which they do.

The Eagles do suck horrible hairy balls that is the truth.

Ontopic: the real question should be: who get's dramatized more? in that case I think Chuck

Have you been living under a rock or something? The dramatization of Chuck's death is on such a low scale in comparison to Dimebag's that the question becomes ridiculous. If you go out to the majority of what I'd like to call "lesser metalheads", for instance, they will praise the hell out of Dimebag but don't even know there was a guy named Chuck who died. When companies start producing t-shirts and posters with something like "RIP Chuck Schuldiner the greatest guitar player to walk the Earth", then I'm inclined to believe you. Otherwise the very though of Chuck's death being more dramatized is utter bullshit.

Among us metalheads who don't care that much for Pantera perhaps, but not among any other people.

It's just by an inch that Chuck wins for me

Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 08.02.2009 at 18:29
Among us metalheads who don't care that much for Pantera perhaps, but not among any other people.

I think within the "underground" metal scene Schuldiner is worshiped to a much greater extent. Have you ever seen this thread? The responses to the article that referred to him as a "kind and gentle god"? There's some frightening stuff in there.

Written by Arian Totalis on 16.02.2007 at 23:57
...whenever I'm playing my guitar or just thinking about him, I sorta feel like he's with me, guiding me and my thoughts. Kind of like how I feel he's here right now.

Not that there isn't as much (or more) deification of Dimebag, but the Schuldiner stuff in a sense comes from people who you'd think would know better...

Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 23:35

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 23:24

Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 09:31

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 00:28

I don't see any comparison, Chuck was one of the pioneers of Death Metal.... while Dimebag, while I still enjoy listening to Pantera, basically had little to no influence on the genre.

Well, in the nineties Pantera was keeping Thrash alive, and exploring a new genre of Groove Thrash. And man, Dimebag had a unique, distinguishable style. How do can you not hear it?

That is very true, and yes, there is no other that has a style like Dimebag, but I just don't see any influence from him in newer artists.

Ok. What influence do you see in newer artists from Chuck?

how about every death metal band to ever exist

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Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 23:35

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 23:24

Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 09:31

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 00:28

I don't see any comparison, Chuck was one of the pioneers of Death Metal.... while Dimebag, while I still enjoy listening to Pantera, basically had little to no influence on the genre.

Well, in the nineties Pantera was keeping Thrash alive, and exploring a new genre of Groove Thrash. And man, Dimebag had a unique, distinguishable style. How do can you not hear it?

That is very true, and yes, there is no other that has a style like Dimebag, but I just don't see any influence from him in newer artists.

Ok. What influence do you see in newer artists from Chuck?

how about every death metal band to ever exist

What I was asking for were concrete examples. I myself discovered some Death influences in Obscurd a few days ago. But saying "how about every death metal band..." is groundless.

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Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 23:24

Written by K✞ulu on 23.10.2008 at 09:31

Written by Haightredy on 23.10.2008 at 00:28

I don't see any comparison, Chuck was one of the pioneers of Death Metal.... while Dimebag, while I still enjoy listening to Pantera, basically had little to no influence on the genre.

Well, in the nineties Pantera was keeping Thrash alive, and exploring a new genre of Groove Thrash. And man, Dimebag had a unique, distinguishable style. How do can you not hear it?

That is very true, and yes, there is no other that has a style like Dimebag, but I just don't see any influence from him in newer artists.

Ok. What influence do you see in newer artists from Chuck?

how about every death metal band to ever exist

What I was asking for were concrete examples. I myself discovered some Death influences in Obscurd a few days ago. But saying "how about every death metal band..." is groundless.

thats like saying how sabbath influenced every metal band is groundless

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Written by K✞ulu on 08.02.2009 at 20:18

how about every death metal band to ever exist

What I was asking for were concrete examples. I myself discovered some Death influences in Obscurd a few days ago. But saying "how about every death metal band..." is groundless.

thats like saying how sabbath influenced every metal band is groundless

did they?

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Written by thesabbathfan on 08.02.2009 at 23:17

Written by K✞ulu on 08.02.2009 at 20:18

how about every death metal band to ever exist

What I was asking for were concrete examples. I myself discovered some Death influences in Obscurd a few days ago. But saying "how about every death metal band..." is groundless.

thats like saying how sabbath influenced every metal band is groundless

did they?

without sabbath there is no metal.

theres just... blues and hard rock