I love Dimmu Borgir! Though, I think that the new album will be weird without ICS Vortex and Mustis.

I never liked Cradle of Filth. The're more like a Cradle of Crap in my opinion, but thats just me.

I like Dimmu because they are not sellouts in my opinion. Cradle used to be good but now they turned to shit.

Written by .Nemesis. on 20.02.2011 at 22:43

I like Dimmu because they are not sellouts in my opinion. Cradle used to be good but now they turned to shit.

The last 2 Cradle albums are good imo, while Abrahadabra is another step back.

Written by Koen Smits on 25.02.2011 at 09:26

Written by .Nemesis. on 20.02.2011 at 22:43

I like Dimmu because they are not sellouts in my opinion. Cradle used to be good but now they turned to shit.

The last 2 Cradle albums are good imo, while Abrahadabra is another step back.

Yes, i also,think the same way.Even though goodspeed and darkly darkly wasn't one of their bests, it was quite easily better than the new releases of dimmu.

Written by Aeonfrost on 25.02.2011 at 09:34

Written by Koen Smits on 25.02.2011 at 09:26

Written by .Nemesis. on 20.02.2011 at 22:43

I like Dimmu because they are not sellouts in my opinion. Cradle used to be good but now they turned to shit.

The last 2 Cradle albums are good imo, while Abrahadabra is another step back.

Yes, i also,think the same way.Even though goodspeed and darkly darkly wasn't one of their bests, it was quite easily better than the new releases of dimmu.

So, in the near future Cradle Of Filth should be able to close the gap in this poll

Written by .Nemesis. on 20.02.2011 at 22:43

I like Dimmu because they are not sellouts in my opinion.

Like you say: they are not sellouts IN YOUR OPINION. Lots of people think otherwise.

Written by Koen Smits on 25.02.2011 at 12:51

Written by Aeonfrost on 25.02.2011 at 09:34

Written by Koen Smits on 25.02.2011 at 09:26

Written by .Nemesis. on 20.02.2011 at 22:43

I like Dimmu because they are not sellouts in my opinion. Cradle used to be good but now they turned to shit.

The last 2 Cradle albums are good imo, while Abrahadabra is another step back.

Yes, i also,think the same way.Even though goodspeed and darkly darkly wasn't one of their bests, it was quite easily better than the new releases of dimmu.

So, in the near future Cradle Of Filth should be able to close the gap in this poll

Hope the future albums,will be in the same vein as midian or maybe damnation,if that happens COF,will easily able to close the gap.Anyways,i find COF's older albums much better than dimmu's older albums.One, more thing dimmu are black metal sell outs,but idk why people call COF,bm sellouts.They were never BM, in the first place.

Dimmu Borgir, sell outs or not, are still good to me, Cradle of Filth are awful now.

Written by Wyrd on 18.08.2010 at 23:11

I never liked Cradle of Filth. The're more like a Cradle of Crap in my opinion, but thats just me.

Sometimes lame insults are alright, but only sometimes.

Written by Guest on 25.02.2011 at 18:08

Written by Wyrd on 18.08.2010 at 23:11

I never liked Cradle of Filth. The're more like a Cradle of Crap in my opinion, but thats just me.

Sometimes lame insults are alright, but only sometimes.

Wow, how could you NOT like Cruelty and the Beast? That is one quality album, man. :|

Written by Guest on 25.02.2011 at 20:35

Written by Guest on 25.02.2011 at 18:08

Written by Wyrd on 18.08.2010 at 23:11

I never liked Cradle of Filth. The're more like a Cradle of Crap in my opinion, but thats just me.

Sometimes lame insults are alright, but only sometimes.

Wow, how could you NOT like Cruelty and the Beast? That is one quality album, man. :|

One good album doesn't make one good band. Plus, I can't stand the vocals. I admit that it's not really my thing, though. I pretty much dislike all black metal with the exception of Bal-Sagoth and I love them because of their symphonic compositions and almost otherworldly melodies. I've tried listening to the supposed great black metal bands, but I've been unable to get into them. Because of this, I don't rate the black metal albums I've listened to, I probably wouldn't be fair. Since you seem to be a black metal fan though, what albums would you recommend that I listen to in order to get into bm (cause it's the only metal subgenre (I even like industrial metal :p ) I don't like and I want to complete the list)?

Written by Guest on 25.02.2011 at 20:54

Written by Guest on 25.02.2011 at 20:35

Written by Guest on 25.02.2011 at 18:08

Written by Wyrd on 18.08.2010 at 23:11

I never liked Cradle of Filth. The're more like a Cradle of Crap in my opinion, but thats just me.

Sometimes lame insults are alright, but only sometimes.

Wow, how could you NOT like Cruelty and the Beast? That is one quality album, man. :|

One good album doesn't make one good band. Plus, I can't stand the vocals. I admit that it's not really my thing, though. I pretty much dislike all black metal with the exception of Bal-Sagoth and I love them because of their symphonic compositions and almost otherworldly melodies. I've tried listening to the supposed great black metal bands, but I've been unable to get into them. Because of this, I don't rate the black metal albums I've listened to, I probably wouldn't be fair. Since you seem to be a black metal fan though, what albums would you recommend that I listen to in order to get into bm (cause it's basically the only genre I don't like and I want to complete the list)?

I see I see, well I do love black metal, but I'm probably the wrong person to ask for recommendations, I can give you a few, but there are other ms users who have been listening to it a lot longer and know more about it, I'm a complete rookie in the genre lol.

Blut Aus Nord- They have that 'weirdness' and originality similar to Bal-Sagoth, definetly worth listening to their early work
Catamenia- My favourite melodic bm band, their early work is very good. Avoid their last few disasters!
Dimmu Borgir- Fine symphonic bm, most would probably disagree, but I think every album they have released is good quality.
Emperor- Similar to Dimmu Borgir, but their lyrics are more awesome
Windir- Absolutely essential, can't imagine anyone disagreeing with that
Bathory- Same as above^

That's about all I can think of as a starting point, you've probably heard most of them anyway, but like I said, other ms users know much more than I do on this subject.

I had to pick cradle because I don't know Dimmu all that well. Dimmu's videos seem a little overproduced, the costumes a little too overboard. The music is good don't get me wrong, but c'mon, Cruelty and the Beast is a work of art, not just a badass metal album.

Written by Guest on 25.02.2011 at 20:54

Plus, I can't stand the vocals. I admit that it's not really my thing, though. I pretty much dislike all black metal with the exception of Bal-Sagoth and I love them because of their symphonic compositions and almost otherworldly melodies. I've tried listening to the supposed great black metal bands, but I've been unable to get into them.

Fair enough. At least you tried and checked a few bands. Black Metal is not to everyone's taste and surely not an easy genre to get into, unless it really fits your tastes right away. But, for most people, it take some time getting accustomed to.

As for harsh vocals, I think it is possible to get into this vocal style slowly, even if you don't like this much at first and to widen your tastes when it comes to this kind of vocals, but I think you must have some interest in this vocal style in the first place. Imo, harsh vocals is to a certain extent an acquired taste and, if you utterly hate them at first, it will be very hard to get used to this style.

Written by RavenKing on 26.02.2011 at 14:37

Fair enough. At least you tried and checked a few bands.

Still trying and checking. I'm not giving up easily. Took me ages to get into Opeth and now they're my favourite band. Last thing I listened to was Blut aus Nord, they're debut started off almost interesting, but then the songwriting got lost in the noise (again) and I said: fk this! Might try something else from them.

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As for harsh vocals, I think it is possible to get into this vocal style slowly, even if you don't like this much at first and to widen your tastes when it comes to this kind of vocals, but I think you must have some interest in this vocal style in the first place. Imo, harsh vocals is to a certain extent an acquired taste and, if you utterly hate them at first, it will be very hard to get used to this style.

I love death grunting, but I can't stand black metal vocals. They makes me wish Black Metal bands played instrumental music, seriously.

Written by Guest on 26.02.2011 at 22:41

I love death grunting, but I can't stand black metal vocals. They makes me wish Black Metal bands played instrumental music, seriously.

It's the complete opposite for me. I'm a big harsh vocals lover, while I hate Death growls.
I always hated Death growls with a passion and could never get used to this.

Written by RavenKing on 27.02.2011 at 14:15

Written by Guest on 26.02.2011 at 22:41

I love death grunting, but I can't stand black metal vocals. They makes me wish Black Metal bands played instrumental music, seriously.

It's the complete opposite for me. I'm a big harsh vocals lover, while I hate Death growls.
I always hated Death growls with a passion and could never get used to this.

Same with me, i seriously just cant stand those suffocation,cannibal corpse type vocals.Although, i do like the type of vocals,melo death bands, like mors principium est,dark tranquility utilizes.

Written by Aeonfrost on 27.02.2011 at 19:43

Written by RavenKing on 27.02.2011 at 14:15

Written by Guest on 26.02.2011 at 22:41

I love death grunting, but I can't stand black metal vocals. They makes me wish Black Metal bands played instrumental music, seriously.

It's the complete opposite for me. I'm a big harsh vocals lover, while I hate Death growls.
I always hated Death growls with a passion and could never get used to this.

Same with me, i seriously just cant stand those suffocation,cannibal corpse type vocals.Although, i do like the type of vocals,melo death bands, like mors principium est,dark tranquility utilizes.

I can stand a few growls here and there in Black Metal songs, no problem. And I like some Death Metal vocals, like in Bolt Thrower, Massacra or Bal-Sagoth's first album (a vocal style Byron Roberts abandoned after this album). However the kind of very low growls used in Brutal Death, when it sounds kinda like the vocalist is puking or belching in the microphone, I really hate. And don't start me on pig squeals or the ridiculous 'vacuum noise' goregrind bands use instead of vocals. I despise this to no end.

I don't even find vocals aggressive in Brutal Death. Only monotone, emotionless and boring as hell.

Written by RavenKing on 27.02.2011 at 20:26

Written by Aeonfrost on 27.02.2011 at 19:43

Written by RavenKing on 27.02.2011 at 14:15

Written by Guest on 26.02.2011 at 22:41

I love death grunting, but I can't stand black metal vocals. They makes me wish Black Metal bands played instrumental music, seriously.

It's the complete opposite for me. I'm a big harsh vocals lover, while I hate Death growls.
I always hated Death growls with a passion and could never get used to this.

Same with me, i seriously just cant stand those suffocation,cannibal corpse type vocals.Although, i do like the type of vocals,melo death bands, like mors principium est,dark tranquility utilizes.

I can stand a few growls here and there in Black Metal songs, no problem. And I like some Death Metal vocals, like in Bolt Thrower, Massacra or Bal-Sagoth's first album (a vocal style Byron Roberts abandoned after this album). However the kind of very low growls used in Brutal Death, when it sounds kinda like the vocalist is puking or belching in the microphone, I really hate. And don't start me on pig squeals or the ridiculous 'vacuum noise' goregrind bands use instead of vocals. I despise this to no end.

I don't even find vocals aggressive in Brutal Death. Only monotone, emotionless and boring as hell.

Enslaved on their new album used a lot of growls, which wasn't that bad.Do u like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85h5KYI0bHU&feature=channel
Even though the song is quite good, the growls,annoy the hell out of me.

Written by Aeonfrost on 27.02.2011 at 21:05

Written by RavenKing on 27.02.2011 at 20:26

Written by Aeonfrost on 27.02.2011 at 19:43

Written by RavenKing on 27.02.2011 at 14:15

Written by Guest on 26.02.2011 at 22:41

I love death grunting, but I can't stand black metal vocals. They makes me wish Black Metal bands played instrumental music, seriously.

It's the complete opposite for me. I'm a big harsh vocals lover, while I hate Death growls.
I always hated Death growls with a passion and could never get used to this.

Same with me, i seriously just cant stand those suffocation,cannibal corpse type vocals.Although, i do like the type of vocals,melo death bands, like mors principium est,dark tranquility utilizes.

I can stand a few growls here and there in Black Metal songs, no problem. And I like some Death Metal vocals, like in Bolt Thrower, Massacra or Bal-Sagoth's first album (a vocal style Byron Roberts abandoned after this album). However the kind of very low growls used in Brutal Death, when it sounds kinda like the vocalist is puking or belching in the microphone, I really hate. And don't start me on pig squeals or the ridiculous 'vacuum noise' goregrind bands use instead of vocals. I despise this to no end.

I don't even find vocals aggressive in Brutal Death. Only monotone, emotionless and boring as hell.

Enslaved on their new album used a lot of growls, which wasn't that bad.Do u like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85h5KYI0bHU&feature=channel
Even though the song is quite good, the growls,annoy the hell out of me.

Written by Aeonfrost on 27.02.2011 at 21:05

Do u like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85h5KYI0bHU&feature=channel
Even though the song is quite good, the growls,annoy the hell out of me.

To tell the truth, there's absolutely nothing I like about this song.

Written by RavenKing on 27.02.2011 at 21:25

Written by Aeonfrost on 27.02.2011 at 21:05

Do u like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85h5KYI0bHU&feature=channel
Even though the song is quite good, the growls,annoy the hell out of me.

To tell the truth, there's absolutely nothing I like about this song.

Couldn't agree more. But then again I don't like Scar Symmetry at all

Dimmu Borgir

No member of Cradle of Filth, past or present, has ever claimed that Cradle of Filth played black metal.
In fact, if my memory serves me well, Dani has personally said that CoF was never a black metal band, comparing the their earlier sound to Burzum or Darkthrone to show how unalike they are.
So, it's really not fair to have them in this poll.

Written by RavenKing on 27.02.2011 at 20:26

I can stand a few growls here and there in Black Metal songs, no problem. And I like some Death Metal vocals, like in Bolt Thrower, Massacra or Bal-Sagoth's first album (a vocal style Byron Roberts abandoned after this album). However the kind of very low growls used in Brutal Death, when it sounds kinda like the vocalist is puking or belching in the microphone, I really hate. And don't start me on pig squeals or the ridiculous 'vacuum noise' goregrind bands use instead of vocals. I despise this to no end.

I don't even find vocals aggressive in Brutal Death. Only monotone, emotionless and boring as hell.

same thing here...i hate low grunts/pig squeals/noise vocals....

I am not so much into black metal and all of that, but I prefer Dimmu Borgir than Cradlle of Filfth

Both bands' last albums were released very close to each other, and I happened to have reviewed both I definitely preferred Dimmu, but overall, Cradle of Filth is a better band all the way, one of my favourites.

When I listen to Cradle I feel like I have been transported on a vacation to the fiery lakes of Hell, it's so atmospheric. When I listen to Dimmu Borgir, it's just good metal but I don't really get an emotional/physical reaction.

Dimmu Borgir still has black elements in it. COF totally evolved to symphonic Metal with harsh vocals.

Dimmu Borgir. But any band whoever made a single cent from there band is technically a sellout. It's not like Cradle or Dimmu started writing pop songs. iI'd bet a lot of so-called TRUE black metal bands would ditch they "NECRO" sound if they were able to afford to.