The most abused word in metal?
It's probably been said before, so excuse me if I've resurrected the body of a beaten horse.
Something that's irked me for quite a while now has been the use of the word "Progressive". It isn't exactly the word that bothers me, instead it is the way that it's often use that gives me a sinking feeling.
Progressive - adj, making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods.
Certainly, there have been many bands in metal that have earned the title of a truly progressive band. I don't want to mention names because I'd like to keep the discussion away from squabbling over band genres. But seriously, does anyone else feel we use the word progressive too often? It seems all a band needs to do these days to have 'Prog' put in front of their main genre is add some middle eastern element or set of obscure South American instruments played only by a single tribe in the deepest part of the amazon. It doesn't seem to matter if another band has already done it or not. Once a single band does something progressive, is every band that follows suit also progressive? Or just a bunch of copy cats.
Discuss, I guess. If you want.
Something that's irked me for quite a while now has been the use of the word "Progressive". It isn't exactly the word that bothers me, instead it is the way that it's often use that gives me a sinking feeling.
Progressive - adj, making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods.
Certainly, there have been many bands in metal that have earned the title of a truly progressive band. I don't want to mention names because I'd like to keep the discussion away from squabbling over band genres. But seriously, does anyone else feel we use the word progressive too often? It seems all a band needs to do these days to have 'Prog' put in front of their main genre is add some middle eastern element or set of obscure South American instruments played only by a single tribe in the deepest part of the amazon. It doesn't seem to matter if another band has already done it or not. Once a single band does something progressive, is every band that follows suit also progressive? Or just a bunch of copy cats.
Discuss, I guess. If you want.
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| Yasmine Posts: 1485  |
I think there's a few bands that are too good to dislike. LOL I loathe loathe anytime people based their music tastes on image.
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| whatsacow Posts: 2075  |
Written by Yasmine on 24.03.2011 at 05:25 Damn straight. Like when someone bashes nu metal or something, but has korn in their favourites list. Like what you like. Who gives a flying fuck what internet people think of you.
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| Yasmine Posts: 1485 |
Written by whatsacow on 24.03.2011 at 12:21 Total agreement. I know my friend's brother hates death metal, but thinks stuff like Sevendust, Korn and System of a Down are the best bands of all time.
---- "Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute." G B Stern "Society is like a stew. If you don't stir it up every once in a while then a layer of scum float u
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| whatsacow Posts: 2075 |
Written by Yasmine on 24.03.2011 at 16:08 I have no problem with that. Like what you like. Personally, I don't like most nu metal bands (lthough I do love deftones and the occasional SOAD song) but if someone else likes it, I don't see what the big deal is.
---- When God made up the golden rule, do you think he noticed that it condones rape?
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| whatsacow Posts: 2075 |
Written by Guest on 24.03.2011 at 22:25 Yeah, but its all about evolution. Old old school metalheads would've had problems with thrash, death and black, seeing kids in corpse paint or saying: you can't mix metal with punk mentalities!
---- When God made up the golden rule, do you think he noticed that it condones rape?
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| Yasmine Posts: 1485 |
Written by Guest on 24.03.2011 at 22:25 Right you are! THeory wise the only thing in common is power chords, calling it metal is a far stretch.
---- "Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute." G B Stern "Society is like a stew. If you don't stir it up every once in a while then a layer of scum float u
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| RavenKing Posts: 1941  |
Written by Yasmine on 24.03.2011 at 22:36 Indeed. Lots of stuff people call metal today is not metal from my point of view.
---- They shake your hand and they smile and they buy you a drink They say we'll be your friends we'll stick with you till the end But everybody's only looking out for themselves And you say who can you trust I'll tell you nobody
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| Yasmine Posts: 1485 |
Written by Guest on 25.03.2011 at 01:43 No in theory metal and punk have nothing in common, you see Maiden HAD punk influences, building metal as a genre meant leaving those punk roots behind. And Priest never had any of that influence.
---- "Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute." G B Stern "Society is like a stew. If you don't stir it up every once in a while then a layer of scum float u
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| Angelic Storm Melodious Posts: 6675  |
Written by Yasmine on 25.03.2011 at 01:57 Exactly. Priest and Black Sabbath are the most influential of all metal bands, and neither had punk infleunces. Heck, punk wasn't even around when those bands started. lol Of course, later on, some metal bands did incorporate some punk infleunces, but they are still entirely seperate genres, and not connected at all.
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| RavenKing Posts: 1941 |
Written by Angelic Storm on 25.03.2011 at 02:19 I agree. With both of you. P.S. Always a pleasure to see women with good knowledge about Metal.
---- They shake your hand and they smile and they buy you a drink They say we'll be your friends we'll stick with you till the end But everybody's only looking out for themselves And you say who can you trust I'll tell you nobody
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| Yasmine Posts: 1485 |
Written by RavenKing on 25.03.2011 at 03:34 He he he you'll have to hear me play sometime.
---- "Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute." G B Stern "Society is like a stew. If you don't stir it up every once in a while then a layer of scum float u
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| Angelic Storm Melodious Posts: 6675 |
Written by RavenKing on 25.03.2011 at 03:34 It's always a pleasure for me to debate/chat about metal.  I think there are more of us out there than most guys believe, because it's still a widely held belief by most guys that women don't have a good knowledge of metal, outside of superficial elements. *sighs* @Yasmine: I also play guitar, though only a couple of MS members have actually heard me play. lol
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| Yasmine Posts: 1485 |
Written by Angelic Storm on 25.03.2011 at 06:29 IF you can record, free time something and put it up hear, I'll listen. Also if anyone ever wants to brain storm songs, ideas, anything here. I would totally lend a hand.
---- "Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute." G B Stern "Society is like a stew. If you don't stir it up every once in a while then a layer of scum float u
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| whatsacow Posts: 2075 |
Written by Yasmine on 25.03.2011 at 06:36 Yeah, you should record stuff. I also play guitar lol. I'd be very interested to hear your stuff. Do you write your own stuff or just play covers? Btw, we've gotten away from the topic a little I believe lol.
---- When God made up the golden rule, do you think he noticed that it condones rape?
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| Yasmine Posts: 1485 |
Written by whatsacow on 25.03.2011 at 07:29 I write my own stuff, I think it tends to be on the black/death metal side, Kinda techy, a few songs have progressive touches.
---- "Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute." G B Stern "Society is like a stew. If you don't stir it up every once in a while then a layer of scum float u
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| Andre Posts: 80  |
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| ForeverDarkWoods Posts: 1001  |
I'm going to still stick with the word "elitist". Out of all the strawmen used to look down on the musical tastes of others, this is by far the most annoying.
---- Free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction! - George W. Bush, ex-president of the United States of America
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| Andre Posts: 80 |
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| Yasmine Posts: 1485 |
Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 29.03.2011 at 13:24 Yea, I've been called that quite a bit, elitiest often when my fav band is more techy than your's. Or it's gay when the person listen to what they listen to based on image.
---- "Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute." G B Stern "Society is like a stew. If you don't stir it up every once in a while then a layer of scum float u
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| ForeverDarkWoods Posts: 1001 |
Written by Yasmine on 29.03.2011 at 16:04 Or it's when a guy like me starts hating on Opeth or Agalloch because they suck, and then some kids who have been mesmerized by all the candy fluff metal tells me I'm an elitist.
---- Free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction! - George W. Bush, ex-president of the United States of America
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| Yasmine Posts: 1485 |
Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 29.03.2011 at 16:10 lol I can't stand Opeth or Agalloch either. lol
---- "Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute." G B Stern "Society is like a stew. If you don't stir it up every once in a while then a layer of scum float u
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| Yojimbo Posts: 232  |
Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 29.03.2011 at 16:10 If you start hating on Opeth and Agalloch I'll back you up. That shit is so overrated.
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| Yojimbo Posts: 232 |
Another word totally abused in metal, "the". I hate when people say "the band" or "the song" like they're so cool. Also, "hate". I hate when people say they hate a band or a song. It's so out of place here. Metal's about love and peace and happiness. ...I love you all.
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| Storchillarn Posts: 163  |
Written by Andre on 29.03.2011 at 13:08 I love those words.  Does anyone know if the word true as a way of describing music is used in other genres than metal? I'm guessing it might be but I haven't really seen it. To me that word will always be connected to Black Metal dumbasses arguing about underground, church burning, wannabe-satanic bands in relation to the "popular" ones. I love to use it when discussing music because it always has an effect.EDIT: Also, I hate seeing elitist people take the piss out of Opeth, the most trvv band ever.
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| Yasmine Posts: 1485 |
Written by Yojimbo on 30.03.2011 at 23:53 "LOL" is over used too.....lol! OPeth puts me to sleep about as fast as country does to be honest. Okay okay I'm done.
---- "Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute." G B Stern "Society is like a stew. If you don't stir it up every once in a while then a layer of scum float u
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| Storchillarn Posts: 163 |
Written by Yasmine on 31.03.2011 at 00:15 So you're narrow-minded then?
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