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Posted by Paladin on 18.04.2010 at 01:12
I think it is not good.it is better that female vocalist sing in symphonic metal.not like arch enemy vocal in death.I think female vocalist cannot broadcast anger of metal.



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ANGEL REAPER

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  07.02.2011 at 02:08
Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.02.2011 at 01:44

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 06.02.2011 at 14:57

Written by Troy Killjoy on 06.02.2011 at 02:18

Sexist or not - for the most part, I can't stand female vocalists in metal. I know "female-fronted metal" isn't a genre, especially since some female singers are extreme vocalists while others sing clean, just like male vocalists. The fact of the matter is, for me (as in, on a personal level); women, combined with your average metal instrumentation, simply cannot effectively evoke any single emotion in me whatsoever - with the possible exception of frustration due to boredom.

I enjoyed Tarja's vocals on Once (because she wasn't so over-the-top), and Angela from Arch Enemy is a pretty good growler (great live, according to Youtube videos I've seen), but outside of those exceptions...it's just a sea of mediocrity for me.

I like my female vocalists in pop/rock: Pat Benatar, Sinead O'Connor, Bonnie Tyler, Cyndi Lauper, Ann and Nancy Wilson (from Heart), Stevie Nicks, Joan Jett, Grace Slick, etc.

And you preached me about being open minded in "why people hate -core" thread while you are so close minded on this matter ....

Clearly you misunderstand the meaning of open-minded. I would be narrow-minded if I assumed all female-fronted bands were garbage simply because their vocalist is a female. However, I investigated and listened to many female-fronted bands and found that said bands are not to my liking - and not because of a lack of talent, but simply because they do not evoke any emotions blah blah blah I already wrote that crap in the post you quoted.

Speaking of that quoted post, the list of female vocalists that I do enjoy should give you some indication that I'm a little more open-minded than some goon who bashes female vocalists because "they suck". I just happen to enjoy non-metal female-fronted bands - it's called a matter of taste, not narrow-mindedness.

I called you out in the -core thread because you were hating on a genre that was, for all intents and purposes, comparable to the genres you claimed were infinitely superior due to their apparent lack of interest in financial gain.

No man I've clearly said that I DONT HATE anything just I DONT LIKE IT, because (in my opinion) commercialization of genre, in thread which was titled "Why people hate...." Now here you can see how its look like when you prejudge someones opinion ,or you don't understand it at all...
However you insisted on thing that I hate that music and that I am close minded person...
I am not saying that you are close minded person or that you hate female vocalists and I understand that you just dislike them and I respect that,and not even trying to "point you on " some "door" which "is open" like you did...
I respect your opinion on this matter as I expected that you would respect mine on that thread...
I hope you understood me this time...
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  07.02.2011 at 02:11
Written by ANGEL REAPER on 07.02.2011 at 02:08

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 06.02.2011 at 14:57

...you are so close minded on this matter ....

I am not saying that you are close minded person

That is why I don't understand you.
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ANGEL REAPER

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  07.02.2011 at 02:16
Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.02.2011 at 02:11

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 07.02.2011 at 02:08

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 06.02.2011 at 14:57

...you are so close minded on this matter ....

I am not saying that you are close minded person

That is why I don't understand you.

"...you are so close minded on this matter .... " was sentence that should intrigue you to start writing....
And it did it successfully ....
My point was anyway I DIDNT PREACHED YOU NOTHING back than as I dont preach you here (I hate when people trying to preach something to someone,especially if there was just a conflict of opinions )
did you understood now?
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Troy Killjoy
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  07.02.2011 at 02:23
Written by ANGEL REAPER on 07.02.2011 at 02:16

...

We're just getting off-topic here. I'll just say I didn't mean to offend you in the other thread, I was just stating my opinion, which conflicted with yours. You have an opinion of me that I don't agree with, and we both know opinions only change if the one with the opinion decides to change it.

I still don't fully understand what you're trying to articulate, but we can discuss it via PM if you feel it necessary to further this discussion. It ends in this thread though, as the conversation is about female vocalists and not our little "quarrel".
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ANGEL REAPER

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  07.02.2011 at 02:32
Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.02.2011 at 02:23

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 07.02.2011 at 02:16

...

We're just getting off-topic here. I'll just say I didn't mean to offend you in the other thread, I was just stating my opinion, which conflicted with yours. You have an opinion of me that I don't agree with, and we both know opinions only change if the one with the opinion decides to change it.

I still don't fully understand what you're trying to articulate, but we can discuss it via PM if you feel it necessary to further this discussion. It ends in this thread though, as the conversation is about female vocalists and not our little "quarrel".

It's ok man,I'm cool....I know you dont tried to offend me and I didnt tried either...
PS: In thread "Why people hate..." i've bluntly answered "because of that ..."
In this I've bluntly answered "I like them" (These are question/pool threads )
In my opinion there is no need to someone to comment someone else opinion in such threads further than "I agree With you" or "I dont agree with you"
Like I said I'm cool ,it's ok no need to go off-topic anymore ,not here not anywhere else....
I hope you are cool too...
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RavenKing

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  07.02.2011 at 05:18
Why do people have so much to rely on this non-sensical 'open-mindedness' argument? All it does is leading to misunderstanding as we see here. It only revolves in a circle and leads absolutely nowhere.

There should be a rule on forums to prohibit the usage of this pointless and unsubstancial argument. It would prevent many useless discussions that lead nowhere in the end.

There is a thread about the most abused word in metal. I just found the three most abused words on metal boards: open-mindedness, narrow-mindedness and close-mindedness. They're used in a completely irrelevant matter only to put the blame on others instead of using a logical argument.
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Melodious

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  07.02.2011 at 08:59
@Ravenking: Agreed. I do not like closed mindedness as you know and have a very low tolerance level for it. But I also don't like how that term is so overly abused, and used in the wrong context, as it so often is in discussions about music/metal. It's like for some its an automatic case of "if you don't like this/what I like, then you're narrow minded", which is completely non-senseical. And is sadly, the way the term is most often used in musical debates.

I also find it funny how some seem to think that disliking female vocals in metal is automatically "sexist". When I myself, generally don't like them, (though there are exceptions) and I personally know another female who doesn't like them either. Of course, there is some who dismiss female vocalists purely because of their gender, which is sexist. But more often than not, it's just a personal preference thing, and they just don't like how it sounds. I don't agree with a point made earlier about women not being able to convey emotion while singing metal. I can't really sing, but I do convey a lot of emotion when I do, even though I know my voice would be highly inappropriate for a metal band. I just think generally, at least for my own personal tastes, female vocals do not suit metal music. Though that's nothing to do with not being able to convey emotion. I just don't like how it sounds.
ANGEL REAPER

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  07.02.2011 at 20:31
Written by RavenKing on 07.02.2011 at 05:18

Why do people have so much to rely on this non-sensical 'open-mindedness' argument? All it does is leading to misunderstanding as we see here. It only revolves in a circle and leads absolutely nowhere.

There should be a rule on forums to prohibit the usage of this pointless and unsubstancial argument. It would prevent many useless discussions that lead nowhere in the end.

There is a thread about the most abused word in metal. I just found the three most abused words on metal borads: open-mindedness, narrow-mindedness and close-mindedness. They're used in a completely irrelevant matter only to put the blame on others instead of using a logical argument.

Man if you are referring to me i was just trying to clear something out...
and I also completely agree with you on this one
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flickaa

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  07.02.2011 at 23:13
To be honest... not really.... maybe lumsk.. lacuna coil (alittle bit) ... that's it....
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  08.02.2011 at 00:26
Written by flickaa on 07.02.2011 at 23:13

To be honest... not really.... maybe lumsk.. lacuna coil (alittle bit) ... that's it....


Well lumsk is not typical female band I love I lytine två song but its mix male and female vocals and this is not typical female band, female is secend part there even they cant be Lumsk whit out female, I dunno now, since they have new vocalist there how it works
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RavenKing

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  08.02.2011 at 01:45
Written by ANGEL REAPER on 07.02.2011 at 20:31

Written by RavenKing on 07.02.2011 at 05:18

Why do people have so much to rely on this non-sensical 'open-mindedness' argument? All it does is leading to misunderstanding as we see here. It only revolves in a circle and leads absolutely nowhere.

There should be a rule on forums to prohibit the usage of this pointless and unsubstancial argument. It would prevent many useless discussions that lead nowhere in the end.

There is a thread about the most abused word in metal. I just found the three most abused words on metal borads: open-mindedness, narrow-mindedness and close-mindedness. They're used in a completely irrelevant matter only to put the blame on others instead of using a logical argument.

Man if you are referring to me i was just trying to clear something out...
and I also completely agree with you on this one


No, it wasn't targeted at you. I just seized the chance to give my opinion on this pointless argument I find so annoying. Don't feel attacked, it wasn't my intention at all.
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ANGEL REAPER

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  08.02.2011 at 03:50
Written by RavenKing on 08.02.2011 at 01:45

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 07.02.2011 at 20:31

Written by RavenKing on 07.02.2011 at 05:18






No, it wasn't targeted at you. I just seized the chance to give my opinion on this pointless argument I find so annoying. Don't feel attacked, it wasn't my intention at all.

It's cool ...
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flickaa

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  08.02.2011 at 06:52
I forgot too... Arch enemy i also like them lol
Yojimbo

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  08.03.2011 at 03:04
Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.02.2011 at 01:44

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 06.02.2011 at 14:57

Written by Troy Killjoy on 06.02.2011 at 02:18

Sexist or not - for the most part, I can't stand female vocalists in metal. I know "female-fronted metal" isn't a genre, especially since some female singers are extreme vocalists while others sing clean, just like male vocalists. The fact of the matter is, for me (as in, on a personal level); women, combined with your average metal instrumentation, simply cannot effectively evoke any single emotion in me whatsoever - with the possible exception of frustration due to boredom.

I enjoyed Tarja's vocals on Once (because she wasn't so over-the-top), and Angela from Arch Enemy is a pretty good growler (great live, according to Youtube videos I've seen), but outside of those exceptions...it's just a sea of mediocrity for me.

I like my female vocalists in pop/rock: Pat Benatar, Sinead O'Connor, Bonnie Tyler, Cyndi Lauper, Ann and Nancy Wilson (from Heart), Stevie Nicks, Joan Jett, Grace Slick, etc.

And you preached me about being open minded in "why people hate -core" thread while you are so close minded on this matter ....

Clearly you misunderstand the meaning of open-minded. I would be narrow-minded if I assumed all female-fronted bands were garbage simply because their vocalist is a female. However, I investigated and listened to many female-fronted bands and found that said bands are not to my liking - and not because of a lack of talent, but simply because they do not evoke any emotions blah blah blah I already wrote that crap in the post you quoted.

Speaking of that quoted post, the list of female vocalists that I do enjoy should give you some indication that I'm a little more open-minded than some goon who bashes female vocalists because "they suck". I just happen to enjoy non-metal female-fronted bands - it's called a matter of taste, not narrow-mindedness.

I called you out in the -core thread because you were hating on a genre that was, for all intents and purposes, comparable to the genres you claimed were infinitely superior due to their apparent lack of interest in financial gain.

Have you guys listened to Landmine Marathon? They absolutely kick ass. Female-fronted grindcore. The singer goes from shrieks to growls effortlessly and on the live videos I've seen she'll jump into the moshpit while still singing. Hard not to respect that. I still feel like their 2010 album Sovereign Descent should have won the best grindcore album of the MS awards.
Troy Killjoy
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  08.03.2011 at 03:21
Written by Yojimbo on 08.03.2011 at 03:04

Have you guys listened to Landmine Marathon? They absolutely kick ass. Female-fronted grindcore. The singer goes from shrieks to growls effortlessly and on the live videos I've seen she'll jump into the moshpit while still singing. Hard not to respect that. I still feel like their 2010 album Sovereign Descent should have won the best grindcore album of the MS awards.

Of course, I was responsible for their write-up in the awards nomination page. A side note - Grace Perry is an absolute babe. I'd straight-up marry that woman.
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odious.infinity

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  12.03.2011 at 07:38
I think female fronted bands are becoming too much of a trend. Some do it well, while many are just trying too hard. Many are just milking it for the publicity and the sex appeal.

Lisa Johansson from Draconian is a good example of what female melodic vocals in metal should aspire to be. The band is not about her, but she adds an incredible dimension to their music. There are a few other examples, but she is the ultimate example in my books.

As for growling, as of yet I have not heard anyone who I really liked. Angela Gossow does alright, but her voice is pretty processed most of the time and her technique is (seeming to be) getting lazy.
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Gravatrax

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  16.03.2011 at 18:16
I have yet to hear a band with female vocalist I like. At least as far as screaming goes. I've listened to the Agonist and Arch Enemy, I could handle Arch Enemy, but The Agonist...wtf?
Gonzo666

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  16.03.2011 at 20:19
I love the girl from the band Eths. She has some potential. Needs to move to the heavier route but check her out...
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ADIresiduos

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  16.03.2011 at 22:26
It's a matter of taste: as for myself, whenever I like or dislike a band (their music), the reason for it almost never has to do anything with the gender of the vocalist(s); I know most of you will agree with this statement, considering that metal is a kind of music you "feel", no matter gender, religion, sexual preferences, etc., etc.
I like Kittie, In This Moment (female vocalists), Judas Priest (gay vocalist), Marylin Manson (weird looking vocalist...LOL)..... who cares? Keep loving metal! enjoy it!
moe5512

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  17.03.2011 at 16:46
I am no big fan of female vocalists in metal, especially when they "growl". The Agonist and Arch Enemy just sound bad. But I am a big fan of Nightwish and Crimfall (and battlelore and........) but they are exeptations

This has nothing to do with discrimination, I just like mens' voice better in metal
marouco

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  18.03.2011 at 21:48
Rock Goddess rules best Heavy Metal female voice ever.
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  19.03.2011 at 10:37
I like Mel Mongeon in Fuck The Facts but that's just about it.
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  19.03.2011 at 12:34
One of the best for me was Erica Puddu when she was in Coram Lethe. She had range and variety. Too bad they got rid of her for some reason, which I'm not aware of.
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  19.03.2011 at 13:16
Honestly though, I think female vocalists has no place in DEATH metal.

As the OP said, Female vocalists isn't just good enough on expressing the anger of death metal. I can't imagine a Female Vocalist covering a Suffocation song.
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  19.03.2011 at 18:54
Written by Guest on 19.03.2011 at 13:16

Honestly though, I think female vocalists has no place in DEATH metal.

As the OP said, Female vocalists isn't just good enough on expressing the anger of death metal. I can't imagine a Female Vocalist covering a Suffocation song.


They have no place because...?
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Malevolent-Jim

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  19.03.2011 at 19:49
The only female vocalists in metal that I think actually made their music better with their vocals were Tarja (in some songs..) and Anneke Van Giersbergen from The Gathering, more so Anneke. She's a stunning vocalist that always chills me when she sings.
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  20.03.2011 at 01:34
Written by Gonzo666 on 16.03.2011 at 20:19

I love the girl from the band Eths. She has some potential. Needs to move to the heavier route but check her out...

interesting song. never heard of them before
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Yasmine

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  21.03.2011 at 01:34
As long as she's not a talker like some of the chicks I've heard.

Eths' vocals drive me insane as I hate hardcore vocals when men do them too.
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  21.03.2011 at 01:42
I'm a big fan of Leather Leone's voice and work in some of Chastain albums, I also enjoy other female fronted bands such as Crystal Viper or Warlock. But yeah, I generally prefer male vocalist rather than female ones, but exceptions exist.

By the way, have you listened to Détente? Speed/thrash metal band from the US with a female vocalist, in my opinion their first album "Recognize no Authority" is a great one. And I'm also thinking of a thrash metal band from the UK with a female vocalist, but I can't remember their damned name.
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  22.03.2011 at 00:00
I think it depends on how the voice works with the music in general.

With stuff like Nightwish the opera-like vocals are simply beautiful and no male vocalist in my opinion could have made LPs such as Oceanborn any better.
However high-pitched vocals are very rare in metal and for the majority of stuff I think the femal gender can't do gruff, coarse vocals nearly as good as guys.

It all comes down to individuals at the end of the day and the band's music. If a girl can strike the right note or even the right roar that's grand but just like a male trying to emulate Tarja Turunen a woman trying to get John Tardy's vocal sections down would be quite hard and probably unpractical to do it live on a regular basis.

Of course, my knowledge of female vocalists in extreme metal is rather low so a few examples that people have would probably change my opinion.
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