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Posted by Paladin on 18.04.2010 at 01:12
I think it is not good.it is better that female vocalist sing in symphonic metal.not like arch enemy vocal in death.I think female vocalist cannot broadcast anger of metal.



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Yasmine

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  22.03.2011 at 00:29
Written by TrollandDie on 22.03.2011 at 00:00

I think it depends on how the voice works with the music in general.

With stuff like Nightwish the opera-like vocals are simply beautiful and no male vocalist in my opinion could have made LPs such as Oceanborn any better.
However high-pitched vocals are very rare in metal and for the majority of stuff I think the femal gender can't do gruff, coarse vocals nearly as good as guys.

It all comes down to individuals at the end of the day and the band's music. If a girl can strike the right note or even the right roar that's grand but just like a male trying to emulate Tarja Turunen a woman trying to get John Tardy's vocal sections down would be quite hard and probably unpractical to do it live on a regular basis.

Of course, my knowledge of female vocalists in extreme metal is rather low so a few examples that people have would probably change my opinion.


I've heard a few male sopranos who could've easily done that. lol
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  23.03.2011 at 21:54
Sure, so as long as she's a good vocalist. One female vocalist that amazes me is Kat, from the sludge/doom band Salome. She hits notes lower then lots of males can hit, its actaully kind of creepy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Pqc8sqkkM
And then you realize she's a tiny little girl...

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  24.03.2011 at 07:59
Written by Void Eater on 23.03.2011 at 21:54

Sure, so as long as she's a good vocalist. One female vocalist that amazes me is Kat, from the sludge/doom band Salome. She hits notes lower then lots of males can hit, its actaully kind of creepy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Pqc8sqkkM
And then you realize she's a tiny little girl...




Did you ever hear her on Agoraphobic Nosebleed?

Btw another in the lines of Kat is Emilie Bresson (a.k.a. Eurogirl) from Monarch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sum1JnAltQ&feature=fvwrel
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  24.03.2011 at 09:30
I don´t mind clean female vocals as long as it doesn´t make the overall sound cheesy, fluffy and over-dramatic. good examples would be early Nightwish, Warlock, Crucified Barbara

as for harsh vocals, i genuinely don´t care as you can´t really distinguish between male and female harsh vocals that easily, think Dani Filth vs. Angela Gossow (Filth sounds more like a woman, Angela more like a man)
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  24.03.2011 at 09:53
Written by Valentin B on 24.03.2011 at 09:30

I don´t mind clean female vocals as long as it doesn´t make the overall sound cheesy, fluffy and over-dramatic. good examples would be early Nightwish, Warlock, Crucified Barbara

as for harsh vocals, i genuinely don´t care as you can´t really distinguish between male and female harsh vocals that easily, think Dani Filth vs. Angela Gossow (Filth sounds more like a woman, Angela more like a man)


In my opinion Angela clearly sounds like a woman.
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  24.03.2011 at 14:29
I think she sounds like a woman, yes. When it's a more prolonged growl especially.

EDIT: Salome vocalist is really good I think. I might even check the band after this.
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  24.03.2011 at 14:32
I think she sounds because when we listen band we know whos he is if its be unknown band we would not know she's woman we would think and eb suprise about iut, mind tricks
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  24.03.2011 at 18:05
Very few pull it off in the heavier genres. The Soporanos are best in the symphonic bands. Even then, to me only Simone Simmons is convincing. The best I've seen/heard: Angela Gossow, Doro Pesch, Magali Luyten, Lzzy Hale, and most recently Ida Haukland(Triosphere, also plays excellent bass), these gals are into the music. Not just eye candy.
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  24.03.2011 at 18:10
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.03.2011 at 09:53

Written by Valentin B on 24.03.2011 at 09:30

I don´t mind clean female vocals as long as it doesn´t make the overall sound cheesy, fluffy and over-dramatic. good examples would be early Nightwish, Warlock, Crucified Barbara

as for harsh vocals, i genuinely don´t care as you can´t really distinguish between male and female harsh vocals that easily, think Dani Filth vs. Angela Gossow (Filth sounds more like a woman, Angela more like a man)


In my opinion Angela clearly sounds like a woman.



Not at first, her drawn out rasp though does give it away, it's whispy.

Rachel from Sinister was hard to identify as female.
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  25.03.2011 at 07:37
Written by Yasmine on 24.03.2011 at 18:10

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.03.2011 at 09:53

Written by Valentin B on 24.03.2011 at 09:30

I don´t mind clean female vocals as long as it doesn´t make the overall sound cheesy, fluffy and over-dramatic. good examples would be early Nightwish, Warlock, Crucified Barbara

as for harsh vocals, i genuinely don´t care as you can´t really distinguish between male and female harsh vocals that easily, think Dani Filth vs. Angela Gossow (Filth sounds more like a woman, Angela more like a man)


In my opinion Angela clearly sounds like a woman.



Not at first, her drawn out rasp though does give it away, it's whispy.

Rachel from Sinister was hard to identify as female.


Angela I heard immediately she was a woman.
Rachel is indeed much harder to identify.
And Corinne van den Brand of Arcostichon is even harder to identify as a woman than Rachel
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  10.04.2011 at 20:36
I don´t like women singing in metal because most of the metal i've listen is about hate, evil, the dark side of life or simply getting laid, and i don't identify myself at all with the lyrics that most bands with female singers have. Not that i have a problem with women. I wish some male singers could even reach the harshness of Angela Gossow´s vocals.
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  15.04.2011 at 09:52
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  15.04.2011 at 17:01
Depends of the band. For example I really can't hear any of those cheesy clonic woman symphonic fronted bands, except for a few like a Nightwish. But I love The Gathering early works like Mandylion. I think it has a lot to do with the music aswell. And of course I'm not talking about growlings cause I pretty much don't care if it is a guy or a girl (I don't have rea<lly good ear with growlers).
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  15.04.2011 at 22:52
Basically reverse to me, symphonic singers are actual singers and i like em, growlers are not, and I don't like very many of them, nearly all of them sound the same to me even thought I like death and black metal, vocals are not what I like about them.
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  16.04.2011 at 16:55
Written by Yasmine on 15.04.2011 at 22:52

Basically reverse to me, symphonic singers are actual singers and i like em, growlers are not, and I don't like very many of them, nearly all of them sound the same to me even thought I like death and black metal, vocals are not what I like about them.


You're saying this because you're not familiar enough with harsh vocals. Because when you get very used to harsh vocals, you see noticeable differences between vocalists. A few ones sound the same, of course, but many don't sound like each other at all once you're used to listen to harsh vocals regularly.

Also, many so-called symphonic singers only have way too high-pitched voices that sound whiny, out of tune and annoying as hell.
Though some of them are indeed great.
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  20.04.2011 at 10:20
Written by Paladin on 18.04.2010 at 01:12

I think it is not good.it is better that female vocalist sing in symphonic metal.not like arch enemy vocal in death.I think female vocalist cannot broadcast anger of metal.


It is pretty obvious that you have not listened to Cerebral Bore the Brutal Death Metal band from UK. The lead is a female and she does perfect gutturals and pig shrieks. I always thought their vocalist was a dude until few days back.
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  20.04.2011 at 10:58
Yeah, of course.

I like female vocals on metal. As long as they can hit the note they wish to hit.
Diverse as metal is, I think it's more of a variety enriching approach. Women in general, have proven capable pulling off some hard notches like their counterparts can do.
Way too many examples can be read from above post(s).
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  20.04.2011 at 12:16
I don't.Not because they are women but most of them don't have attitude that SOME male singers have.Only one woman with the attitude in Metal is Angela Nathalie Gossow from Arch Enemy
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  20.04.2011 at 13:20
I don't see why they would need that, that has nothing to do with skill......lol
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  20.04.2011 at 13:24
Do you like female vocalist in metal bands?

No, only maybe in 5 or 6 bands
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  20.04.2011 at 14:35
Written by Yasmine on 20.04.2011 at 13:20

I don't see why they would need that, that has nothing to do with skill......lol


Yeah.

But I think he was referring to stage-attitude. Sort of acting up to an image of what the music is representing.
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  20.04.2011 at 15:24
My favs are Alissa White-Gluz (she growls and sings clear), Grace Perry, Annlouice Loegdlund, Simone Simons and Floor Jansen
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  20.04.2011 at 17:04
Written by Andre on 20.04.2011 at 14:35

Written by Yasmine on 20.04.2011 at 13:20

I don't see why they would need that, that has nothing to do with skill......lol


Yeah.

But I think he was referring to stage-attitude. Sort of acting up to an image of what the music is representing.
Yes exactly.And lyrics is also important.For example there is one band called Hysterica and their attitude is "we are strong women, stonger and better than man" as i see it.You have to be above that shit whether it is a man or woman who sings or write lyrics.
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  20.04.2011 at 19:00
Written by Andre on 20.04.2011 at 14:35

Written by Yasmine on 20.04.2011 at 13:20

I don't see why they would need that, that has nothing to do with skill......lol


Yeah.

But I think he was referring to stage-attitude. Sort of acting up to an image of what the music is representing.


I don't even pay attention to that, and I'm not even about to try to act manily just cause I play metal. lol Just saying.
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  21.04.2011 at 06:07
Yeah, I get where you coming from Yasmine.
Although my point is on stage, I feel artists and performers are entitled to put up a show, hence take on forms and egos, if I may say so. You know?!

@ Terrorist: Is that a feminist-facist metal band? lol
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  21.04.2011 at 07:20
"we are strong women, stonger and better than man"

This statement is false by default, Testostrone > Estrogen. lol
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  24.04.2011 at 20:24
I like some Symphonic metal bands with female singers such as Edenbridge, Nightwish and Epica.

I also like female vocalists in extreme bands such as,
Psychobolia
Putrefied Beauty
Mythic
Thorr's Hammer
Stigma[Cze]
Valhalla[Bra]
Opera IX
Astarte
Acrostichon
D.A.M.N.
Sinful Souls
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  24.04.2011 at 22:38
Written by Oracle on 24.04.2011 at 20:24

Opera IX

I like Opera IX and there is Cadaveria i would like to add to your list.
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  25.04.2011 at 09:39
Written by JD on 24.04.2011 at 22:38

Written by Oracle on 24.04.2011 at 20:24

Opera IX

I like Opera IX and there is Cadaveria i would like to add to your list.

Yeah Cadaveria is good too. Theres a few others i haven't mentioned yet.
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  25.04.2011 at 18:22
I don't mind female vocalist as long as it fits the music
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