Quebeck indepndence I herad there be voting soon about liberation, is it true?
and you thoughts about it? is it good, will it be better

Written by Bad English on 06.09.2012 at 11:52

Quebeck indepndence I herad there be voting soon about liberation, is it true?
and you thoughts about it? is it good, will it be better

Nah nah nah, There won't be any votes about the separation. I don't mind the PQ (the ones that wants the separation) their ideas are ok but if there would be a vote for that I'd pick the NO choice anyways and I think thats what the majority would do. What I hate is when people vote at the provincial for another one just because of this particular reason I mean vote for their other Ideas instead who gives a fuck about the separation, voting for them does not mean you're a separatist I mean you can still vote no in the ''Referandom''. Anyways it would bring alot of shit to the province if we'd separate from CA really, financially and morally. Oh and BTW fuck the Liberals. Socialists for the win mother fuckers.

^^ Yeah I saw headlines about that in the newspapers when I was in Canada earlier this week. Didn't read it though.

Got back from Canada yesterday, left my sister there in her new apartment with her room mate.

Niagara Falls is gorgeous man, I was there for the Labour Day weekend, the actual town seems very slow though, I still prefere London as a city.
On the bus ride from Toronto to Niagara-On-The-Lake, we passed through downtown Grimsby, the atmosphere was fucking awesome, I must explore the actual town one day though.
I think Toronto is overrated as fuck, it's just New York City with nicer people and more modern archetecture.
So if I were to immigrate, it would probably be London.....Grimsby is in the rough draft process for now.

As I've voiced before, Unlike my repulsive country, I'm fucking in love with Canada! I thought I had a fool proof idea to illegally immigrate there without authorities catching me, but one person whom I shared it with pointed out a huge flaw in my idea.......FUCKK!! I seriously want to live in Canada and become a citizen, the one huge extreme is that Bahamas has NO TAXES where as Canada has HIGH TAXES......But honestly, I'm so dissatisfied, I'm willing to take that......In Canada, high taxes apparently means Lower Gas bills! (something all Bahamians wish for lol)

I believe that Canada is everything that The Bahamas should be! Well i mean in some ways Bahamas beats Canada..............

- In The Bahamas, driving with an open (alcoholic) drink is not illegal (sweeet! ) On smaller, family islands I've seen drivers drink beer while passing police haha, In Nassau....I wouldn't recommend that though as we're a CITY not a SIMPLE ISLAND. Freedom bro!

- In the city of London, Ontario apparently loud music/house parties are prohibited.....In The Bahamas, playing loud music after midnight is considered disturbing the peace, but even then if the cops try to shut you down, all you have to do is offer them beer and food! They'll drive away right after...I'm 23, and I've NEVER HEARD of a house party getting shut down in all my life. That law is never enforced here!

-Also in London, Ontario.....apparently parking at the end of a driveway between certain AM hours is prohibited....but in The Bahamas, NOT A SINGLE FUCK IS GIVEN! I was shocked to learn this law just under a week ago.

-In most of Canada, the drinking age is 19, in The Bahamas it's 18....but even if you're under 18, it's not hard to obtain at all! You're only ever carded at places where cops are nearby (like festivals) or if you stupidly walk into a liquor store in school uniform.

- Here in The Bahamas, if you have Direct TV.....you can get a "pirate card" which is a Direct TV card that shows porn/ppv/sports packages WITHOUT having to PAY! I remember about 10 years ago, there used to be BIG SIGNS advertising Pirate Cards in residential areas...people would sell them and reprogram the from their houses, liquor stores alos used to have a card programmer. It's through "Pirate Cards" that I first watched Porn at age 12 lol. My dad stopped getting Pirate Cards because whenever we watched a PPV, satellites would always cut us off for soliciting illegal activity! My dad got tired of driving to the people to reprogram the cards! He just decided to do the honest thing and pay. But I presume that anyone who lives in Canada is reading this in disbelief

- THIS ONE TAKES THE CAKE and is the ONLY thing to make me hesitate illegal immigrating to Canada.....As you've guessed, Piracy is a history/legacy in The Bahamas.... I'm not exaggerating at all......In The Bahamas (and other parts of The Caribbean), Nobody and I repeat NOBODY gives a shiny shit about illegally downloading music! It's literally not an issue here! We Bahamians hear about Americans and Canadians getting in trouble for downloading songs without paying for it....We laugh! It's a HUGE JOKE! To put it in perspective, in 2012, I bought CD's for the first time since like 2009! That's 3 years without buying a CD! Many Bahamians laugh at the thought, when I told my superviser I bought CD's during vacation time, he couldn't contain his laughter. Illegal downloading is an essential part of a young Caribbean person's life! I couldn't imagine life without doing it! (sadly that's why many movies/tv shows don't stream via internet in the region). As far as I understand, Canada (just like the USA) punishes you in some way for illegally downloading music or movies. I know this because my sister told me that a Trinidadian classmate of hers in college, downloaded a movie and his internet got shut off for a week.....I don't know why he was so fucking stupid to download a movie! : Illegal downloading is for MP3's! Not MPG's!

-No Taxes of course.



.........this may sound awesome to many, but despite all those.....I still want to move to Canada! That's how horrible The Bahamas is to live in! As nice as all that would sound for a young person, believe me......Canada still takes the cake above all! Ontario recently legalised prostitution! Back in May, police caught me having sex with a hooker on the beach and I had to pay him off just so I wouldn't end up in prison! If anyone can offer me advice on how to become a citizen without marrying a Canadian or without being a teacher, let me know please!

Written by Guest on 08.09.2012 at 05:41

I still want to move to Canada! That's how horrible The Bahamas is to live in!

It's funny because we want to move to the Bahamas

Written by Guest on 08.09.2012 at 05:41

The Bahamas

Sounds a lot like Serbia, actually. Living in a pretty anarchic country like that has it's good sides, sure, but I think I'd definitively prefer a more organized one.

I mean, sure, I'd miss coming back from a party at 4:30 AM, hammered out of my mind/high as a kite and being able to get a slice of pizza pretty much anywhere in town and then just chill in the streets with buddies or bitches, but it's a price I'd be happy to pay to get the fuck away from here.

Written by Guib on 07.09.2012 at 09:37

Written by Bad English on 06.09.2012 at 11:52

Quebeck indepndence I herad there be voting soon about liberation, is it true?
and you thoughts about it? is it good, will it be better

Anyways it would bring alot of shit to the province if we'd separate from CA really, financially and morally.

Financially Québec can win from it's independance, for many reasons :
- Many services are done twice, and thus cost twice as much as they should. Example : doing a tax form to Québec AND to Canada. 2 tax forms = 2 public servants you are paying. Do you really want to pay twice as much for something that can be done by 1 person? There are many other examples of ministries and government agencies that are doubled, and that do not benefit the tax payer.
- Québec would be asked to take on its share of the Canadian debt. But people often forget that Québec would then be intitled to its share of what it has payed for with OUR taxes. One cannot count the ''passive'' without the ''active''.

Morally :
- I agree with Jocelyn Maclure's theory that Québec suffers from a ''collective melancholia''. That melancholia is defined by a sens of loss, an insecure identity, and self-pity. For those who speak French, a brief description of Maclure's theory : http://books.google.ca/books?id=XbGf8cEwxzgC&lpg=PA611&ots=zSJxguwUkK&dq=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&hl=fr&pg=PA611#v=onepage&q=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&f=false
Independance can be a way to go beyond our collective melancholia.
-The Harper government is a good example of how Québec is trapped constitutionnaly in a country that it cannot identity itself with. Canada's neglect of the Kyoto Protocol and the destruction of the gun registry are just 2 examples of politics that are AGAINST Québec's interests. A free country could enforce the politics and policies that ressemble Québecois. That is not the case presently.
- Québec differs from Canada in its use (and necessity) for collective rights. A Québecois system that is not constantly rebuked by the Federal Judicial system does not currently exist. So pretty much, a few men from British-Columbia and Saskatchewan can decide what Québec can do constitutionnaly (not to mention politically). Isn't there something wrong here?

I cannot disagree when somebody says that Québec should stay in Canada because they have an attachement to Canada. After all, there is a lot about the ''yes'' or ''no'' to Québec sovereignty that is emotional, beyond rational. But I cannot agree with moral or financial arguments because they simply do not add up.

Written by SilentScream on 20.09.2012 at 17:32

Written by Guib on 07.09.2012 at 09:37

Written by Bad English on 06.09.2012 at 11:52

Quebeck indepndence I herad there be voting soon about liberation, is it true?
and you thoughts about it? is it good, will it be better

Anyways it would bring alot of shit to the province if we'd separate from CA really, financially and morally.

Financially Québec can win from it's independance, for many reasons :
- Many services are done twice, and thus cost twice as much as they should. Example : doing a tax form to Québec AND to Canada. 2 tax forms = 2 public servants you are paying. Do you really want to pay twice as much for something that can be done by 1 person? There are many other examples of ministries and government agencies that are doubled, and that do not benefit the tax payer.
- Québec would be asked to take on its share of the Canadian debt. But people often forget that Québec would then be intitled to its share of what it has payed for with OUR taxes. One cannot count the ''passive'' without the ''active''.

Morally :
- I agree with Jocelyn Maclure's theory that Québec suffers from a ''collective melancholia''. That melancholia is defined by a sens of loss, an insecure identity, and self-pity. For those who speak French, a brief description of Maclure's theory : http://books.google.ca/books?id=XbGf8cEwxzgC&lpg=PA611&ots=zSJxguwUkK&dq=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&hl=fr&pg=PA611#v=onepage&q=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&f=false
Independance can be a way to go beyond our collective melancholia.
-The Harper government is a good example of how Québec is trapped constitutionnaly in a country that it cannot identity itself with. Canada's neglect of the Kyoto Protocol and the destruction of the gun registry are just 2 examples of politics that are AGAINST Québec's interests. A free country could enforce the politics and policies that ressemble Québecois. That is not the case presently.
- Québec differs from Canada in its use (and necessity) for collective rights. A Québecois system that is not constantly rebuked by the Federal Judicial system does not currently exist. So pretty much, a few men from British-Columbia and Saskatchewan can decide what Québec can do constitutionnaly (not to mention politically). Isn't there something wrong here?

I cannot disagree when somebody says that Québec should stay in Canada because they have an attachement to Canada. After all, there is a lot about the ''yes'' or ''no'' to Québec sovereignty that is emotional, beyond rational. But I cannot agree with moral or financial arguments because they simply do not add up.

Yea I agree with you about the identity versus the government, but it can easily be changed... I mean NDP and Liberals are a pretty good alternative, we don't have to separate from CA to get what we want. There is already political parties that represent us outside our provincial government. I think we're a big part of canada's history I don't see the point in independance, sure we could use some new laws and politics but we seriously don't have to separate. Plus what else is there apart from finances and morals in a society like ours nowadays nothing, its all about that, everything we do is about that. There is no other ''arguments''. I get what you mean though but I still think that its profitable for both Canada and Quebec to be together, because of our culture, our finances and gosh we're one of those countries that advocates multiculturism in many ways so why the fuck playing the hypocrites.

Written by Guib on 21.09.2012 at 01:54

Written by SilentScream on 20.09.2012 at 17:32

Written by Guib on 07.09.2012 at 09:37

Written by Bad English on 06.09.2012 at 11:52

Quebeck indepndence I herad there be voting soon about liberation, is it true?
and you thoughts about it? is it good, will it be better

Anyways it would bring alot of shit to the province if we'd separate from CA really, financially and morally.

Financially Québec can win from it's independance, for many reasons :
- Many services are done twice, and thus cost twice as much as they should. Example : doing a tax form to Québec AND to Canada. 2 tax forms = 2 public servants you are paying. Do you really want to pay twice as much for something that can be done by 1 person? There are many other examples of ministries and government agencies that are doubled, and that do not benefit the tax payer.
- Québec would be asked to take on its share of the Canadian debt. But people often forget that Québec would then be intitled to its share of what it has payed for with OUR taxes. One cannot count the ''passive'' without the ''active''.

Morally :
- I agree with Jocelyn Maclure's theory that Québec suffers from a ''collective melancholia''. That melancholia is defined by a sens of loss, an insecure identity, and self-pity. For those who speak French, a brief description of Maclure's theory : http://books.google.ca/books?id=XbGf8cEwxzgC&lpg=PA611&ots=zSJxguwUkK&dq=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&hl=fr&pg=PA611#v=onepage&q=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&f=false
Independance can be a way to go beyond our collective melancholia.
-The Harper government is a good example of how Québec is trapped constitutionnaly in a country that it cannot identity itself with. Canada's neglect of the Kyoto Protocol and the destruction of the gun registry are just 2 examples of politics that are AGAINST Québec's interests. A free country could enforce the politics and policies that ressemble Québecois. That is not the case presently.
- Québec differs from Canada in its use (and necessity) for collective rights. A Québecois system that is not constantly rebuked by the Federal Judicial system does not currently exist. So pretty much, a few men from British-Columbia and Saskatchewan can decide what Québec can do constitutionnaly (not to mention politically). Isn't there something wrong here?

I cannot disagree when somebody says that Québec should stay in Canada because they have an attachement to Canada. After all, there is a lot about the ''yes'' or ''no'' to Québec sovereignty that is emotional, beyond rational. But I cannot agree with moral or financial arguments because they simply do not add up.

Yea I agree with you about the identity versus the government, but it can easily be changed... I mean NDP and Liberals are a pretty good alternative, we don't have to separate from CA to get what we want. There is already political parties that represent us outside our provincial government. I think we're a big part of canada's history I don't see the point in independance, sure we could use some new laws and politics but we seriously don't have to separate. Plus what else is there apart from finances and morals in a society like ours nowadays nothing, its all about that, everything we do is about that. There is no other ''arguments''. I get what you mean though but I still think that its profitable for both Canada and Quebec to be together, because of our culture, our finances and gosh we're one of those countries that advocates multiculturism in many ways so why the fuck playing the hypocrites.

As I said, can't argue with attachment and the emotional factor. That's alright, and each has his own way of seeing it in that light.

But the NDP and the Liberals as good alternatives...really? The NDP hasn't been in power yet, so it's hard to say. But the last time Québec voted massively for the Liberals, Trudeau f*cked us over. It is no surprise that Québec has not elected a majority of liberals since then...And don't you remember the Sponsorship Scandal??? The Sponsorship Scandal was all about f*cking us, it is too bad that many like you have too short a memory.

Written by SilentScream on 24.09.2012 at 18:25

Written by Guib on 21.09.2012 at 01:54

Written by SilentScream on 20.09.2012 at 17:32

Written by Guib on 07.09.2012 at 09:37

Written by Bad English on 06.09.2012 at 11:52

Quebeck indepndence I herad there be voting soon about liberation, is it true?
and you thoughts about it? is it good, will it be better

Anyways it would bring alot of shit to the province if we'd separate from CA really, financially and morally.

Financially Québec can win from it's independance, for many reasons :
- Many services are done twice, and thus cost twice as much as they should. Example : doing a tax form to Québec AND to Canada. 2 tax forms = 2 public servants you are paying. Do you really want to pay twice as much for something that can be done by 1 person? There are many other examples of ministries and government agencies that are doubled, and that do not benefit the tax payer.
- Québec would be asked to take on its share of the Canadian debt. But people often forget that Québec would then be intitled to its share of what it has payed for with OUR taxes. One cannot count the ''passive'' without the ''active''.

Morally :
- I agree with Jocelyn Maclure's theory that Québec suffers from a ''collective melancholia''. That melancholia is defined by a sens of loss, an insecure identity, and self-pity. For those who speak French, a brief description of Maclure's theory : http://books.google.ca/books?id=XbGf8cEwxzgC&lpg=PA611&ots=zSJxguwUkK&dq=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&hl=fr&pg=PA611#v=onepage&q=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&f=false
Independance can be a way to go beyond our collective melancholia.
-The Harper government is a good example of how Québec is trapped constitutionnaly in a country that it cannot identity itself with. Canada's neglect of the Kyoto Protocol and the destruction of the gun registry are just 2 examples of politics that are AGAINST Québec's interests. A free country could enforce the politics and policies that ressemble Québecois. That is not the case presently.
- Québec differs from Canada in its use (and necessity) for collective rights. A Québecois system that is not constantly rebuked by the Federal Judicial system does not currently exist. So pretty much, a few men from British-Columbia and Saskatchewan can decide what Québec can do constitutionnaly (not to mention politically). Isn't there something wrong here?

I cannot disagree when somebody says that Québec should stay in Canada because they have an attachement to Canada. After all, there is a lot about the ''yes'' or ''no'' to Québec sovereignty that is emotional, beyond rational. But I cannot agree with moral or financial arguments because they simply do not add up.

Yea I agree with you about the identity versus the government, but it can easily be changed... I mean NDP and Liberals are a pretty good alternative, we don't have to separate from CA to get what we want. There is already political parties that represent us outside our provincial government. I think we're a big part of canada's history I don't see the point in independance, sure we could use some new laws and politics but we seriously don't have to separate. Plus what else is there apart from finances and morals in a society like ours nowadays nothing, its all about that, everything we do is about that. There is no other ''arguments''. I get what you mean though but I still think that its profitable for both Canada and Quebec to be together, because of our culture, our finances and gosh we're one of those countries that advocates multiculturism in many ways so why the fuck playing the hypocrites.

As I said, can't argue with attachment and the emotional factor. That's alright, and each has his own way of seeing it in that light.

But the NDP and the Liberals as good alternatives...really? The NDP hasn't been in power yet, so it's hard to say. But the last time Québec voted massively for the Liberals, Trudeau f*cked us over. It is no surprise that Québec has not elected a majority of liberals since then...And don't you remember the Sponsorship Scandal??? The Sponsorship Scandal was all about f*cking us, it is too bad that many like you have too short a memory.

Yeah I do remember, but on the last election, we were all the way NDP didn't you see ?

Written by Guib on 26.09.2012 at 06:49

Written by SilentScream on 24.09.2012 at 18:25

Written by Guib on 21.09.2012 at 01:54

Written by SilentScream on 20.09.2012 at 17:32

Written by Guib on 07.09.2012 at 09:37

Written by Bad English on 06.09.2012 at 11:52

Quebeck indepndence I herad there be voting soon about liberation, is it true?
and you thoughts about it? is it good, will it be better

Anyways it would bring alot of shit to the province if we'd separate from CA really, financially and morally.

Financially Québec can win from it's independance, for many reasons :
- Many services are done twice, and thus cost twice as much as they should. Example : doing a tax form to Québec AND to Canada. 2 tax forms = 2 public servants you are paying. Do you really want to pay twice as much for something that can be done by 1 person? There are many other examples of ministries and government agencies that are doubled, and that do not benefit the tax payer.
- Québec would be asked to take on its share of the Canadian debt. But people often forget that Québec would then be intitled to its share of what it has payed for with OUR taxes. One cannot count the ''passive'' without the ''active''.

Morally :
- I agree with Jocelyn Maclure's theory that Québec suffers from a ''collective melancholia''. That melancholia is defined by a sens of loss, an insecure identity, and self-pity. For those who speak French, a brief description of Maclure's theory : http://books.google.ca/books?id=XbGf8cEwxzgC&lpg=PA611&ots=zSJxguwUkK&dq=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&hl=fr&pg=PA611#v=onepage&q=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&f=false
Independance can be a way to go beyond our collective melancholia.
-The Harper government is a good example of how Québec is trapped constitutionnaly in a country that it cannot identity itself with. Canada's neglect of the Kyoto Protocol and the destruction of the gun registry are just 2 examples of politics that are AGAINST Québec's interests. A free country could enforce the politics and policies that ressemble Québecois. That is not the case presently.
- Québec differs from Canada in its use (and necessity) for collective rights. A Québecois system that is not constantly rebuked by the Federal Judicial system does not currently exist. So pretty much, a few men from British-Columbia and Saskatchewan can decide what Québec can do constitutionnaly (not to mention politically). Isn't there something wrong here?

I cannot disagree when somebody says that Québec should stay in Canada because they have an attachement to Canada. After all, there is a lot about the ''yes'' or ''no'' to Québec sovereignty that is emotional, beyond rational. But I cannot agree with moral or financial arguments because they simply do not add up.

Yea I agree with you about the identity versus the government, but it can easily be changed... I mean NDP and Liberals are a pretty good alternative, we don't have to separate from CA to get what we want. There is already political parties that represent us outside our provincial government. I think we're a big part of canada's history I don't see the point in independance, sure we could use some new laws and politics but we seriously don't have to separate. Plus what else is there apart from finances and morals in a society like ours nowadays nothing, its all about that, everything we do is about that. There is no other ''arguments''. I get what you mean though but I still think that its profitable for both Canada and Quebec to be together, because of our culture, our finances and gosh we're one of those countries that advocates multiculturism in many ways so why the fuck playing the hypocrites.

As I said, can't argue with attachment and the emotional factor. That's alright, and each has his own way of seeing it in that light.

But the NDP and the Liberals as good alternatives...really? The NDP hasn't been in power yet, so it's hard to say. But the last time Québec voted massively for the Liberals, Trudeau f*cked us over. It is no surprise that Québec has not elected a majority of liberals since then...And don't you remember the Sponsorship Scandal??? The Sponsorship Scandal was all about f*cking us, it is too bad that many like you have too short a memory.

Yeah I do remember, but on the last election, we were all the way NDP didn't you see ?

And the French language has slipped in parlement since their election. Not awfully encouraging...

Written by SilentScream on 26.09.2012 at 08:01

Written by Guib on 26.09.2012 at 06:49

Written by SilentScream on 24.09.2012 at 18:25

Written by Guib on 21.09.2012 at 01:54

Written by SilentScream on 20.09.2012 at 17:32

Written by Guib on 07.09.2012 at 09:37

Written by Bad English on 06.09.2012 at 11:52

Quebeck indepndence I herad there be voting soon about liberation, is it true?
and you thoughts about it? is it good, will it be better

Anyways it would bring alot of shit to the province if we'd separate from CA really, financially and morally.

Financially Québec can win from it's independance, for many reasons :
- Many services are done twice, and thus cost twice as much as they should. Example : doing a tax form to Québec AND to Canada. 2 tax forms = 2 public servants you are paying. Do you really want to pay twice as much for something that can be done by 1 person? There are many other examples of ministries and government agencies that are doubled, and that do not benefit the tax payer.
- Québec would be asked to take on its share of the Canadian debt. But people often forget that Québec would then be intitled to its share of what it has payed for with OUR taxes. One cannot count the ''passive'' without the ''active''.

Morally :
- I agree with Jocelyn Maclure's theory that Québec suffers from a ''collective melancholia''. That melancholia is defined by a sens of loss, an insecure identity, and self-pity. For those who speak French, a brief description of Maclure's theory : http://books.google.ca/books?id=XbGf8cEwxzgC&lpg=PA611&ots=zSJxguwUkK&dq=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&hl=fr&pg=PA611#v=onepage&q=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&f=false
Independance can be a way to go beyond our collective melancholia.
-The Harper government is a good example of how Québec is trapped constitutionnaly in a country that it cannot identity itself with. Canada's neglect of the Kyoto Protocol and the destruction of the gun registry are just 2 examples of politics that are AGAINST Québec's interests. A free country could enforce the politics and policies that ressemble Québecois. That is not the case presently.
- Québec differs from Canada in its use (and necessity) for collective rights. A Québecois system that is not constantly rebuked by the Federal Judicial system does not currently exist. So pretty much, a few men from British-Columbia and Saskatchewan can decide what Québec can do constitutionnaly (not to mention politically). Isn't there something wrong here?

I cannot disagree when somebody says that Québec should stay in Canada because they have an attachement to Canada. After all, there is a lot about the ''yes'' or ''no'' to Québec sovereignty that is emotional, beyond rational. But I cannot agree with moral or financial arguments because they simply do not add up.

Yea I agree with you about the identity versus the government, but it can easily be changed... I mean NDP and Liberals are a pretty good alternative, we don't have to separate from CA to get what we want. There is already political parties that represent us outside our provincial government. I think we're a big part of canada's history I don't see the point in independance, sure we could use some new laws and politics but we seriously don't have to separate. Plus what else is there apart from finances and morals in a society like ours nowadays nothing, its all about that, everything we do is about that. There is no other ''arguments''. I get what you mean though but I still think that its profitable for both Canada and Quebec to be together, because of our culture, our finances and gosh we're one of those countries that advocates multiculturism in many ways so why the fuck playing the hypocrites.

As I said, can't argue with attachment and the emotional factor. That's alright, and each has his own way of seeing it in that light.

But the NDP and the Liberals as good alternatives...really? The NDP hasn't been in power yet, so it's hard to say. But the last time Québec voted massively for the Liberals, Trudeau f*cked us over. It is no surprise that Québec has not elected a majority of liberals since then...And don't you remember the Sponsorship Scandal??? The Sponsorship Scandal was all about f*cking us, it is too bad that many like you have too short a memory.

Yeah I do remember, but on the last election, we were all the way NDP didn't you see ?

And the French language has slipped in parlement since their election. Not awfully encouraging...

Yeah but we got provincial for that -_- lol with the law 101 you don't have to worry about french, really. Its not as much about our language really, its the ideologies that matters the most.

Written by Guib on 27.09.2012 at 05:06

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Written by Guib on 26.09.2012 at 06:49

Written by SilentScream on 24.09.2012 at 18:25

Written by Guib on 21.09.2012 at 01:54

Written by SilentScream on 20.09.2012 at 17:32

Written by Guib on 07.09.2012 at 09:37

Written by Bad English on 06.09.2012 at 11:52

Quebeck indepndence I herad there be voting soon about liberation, is it true?
and you thoughts about it? is it good, will it be better

Anyways it would bring alot of shit to the province if we'd separate from CA really, financially and morally.

Financially Québec can win from it's independance, for many reasons :
- Many services are done twice, and thus cost twice as much as they should. Example : doing a tax form to Québec AND to Canada. 2 tax forms = 2 public servants you are paying. Do you really want to pay twice as much for something that can be done by 1 person? There are many other examples of ministries and government agencies that are doubled, and that do not benefit the tax payer.
- Québec would be asked to take on its share of the Canadian debt. But people often forget that Québec would then be intitled to its share of what it has payed for with OUR taxes. One cannot count the ''passive'' without the ''active''.

Morally :
- I agree with Jocelyn Maclure's theory that Québec suffers from a ''collective melancholia''. That melancholia is defined by a sens of loss, an insecure identity, and self-pity. For those who speak French, a brief description of Maclure's theory : http://books.google.ca/books?id=XbGf8cEwxzgC&lpg=PA611&ots=zSJxguwUkK&dq=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&hl=fr&pg=PA611#v=onepage&q=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&f=false
Independance can be a way to go beyond our collective melancholia.
-The Harper government is a good example of how Québec is trapped constitutionnaly in a country that it cannot identity itself with. Canada's neglect of the Kyoto Protocol and the destruction of the gun registry are just 2 examples of politics that are AGAINST Québec's interests. A free country could enforce the politics and policies that ressemble Québecois. That is not the case presently.
- Québec differs from Canada in its use (and necessity) for collective rights. A Québecois system that is not constantly rebuked by the Federal Judicial system does not currently exist. So pretty much, a few men from British-Columbia and Saskatchewan can decide what Québec can do constitutionnaly (not to mention politically). Isn't there something wrong here?

I cannot disagree when somebody says that Québec should stay in Canada because they have an attachement to Canada. After all, there is a lot about the ''yes'' or ''no'' to Québec sovereignty that is emotional, beyond rational. But I cannot agree with moral or financial arguments because they simply do not add up.

Yea I agree with you about the identity versus the government, but it can easily be changed... I mean NDP and Liberals are a pretty good alternative, we don't have to separate from CA to get what we want. There is already political parties that represent us outside our provincial government. I think we're a big part of canada's history I don't see the point in independance, sure we could use some new laws and politics but we seriously don't have to separate. Plus what else is there apart from finances and morals in a society like ours nowadays nothing, its all about that, everything we do is about that. There is no other ''arguments''. I get what you mean though but I still think that its profitable for both Canada and Quebec to be together, because of our culture, our finances and gosh we're one of those countries that advocates multiculturism in many ways so why the fuck playing the hypocrites.

As I said, can't argue with attachment and the emotional factor. That's alright, and each has his own way of seeing it in that light.

But the NDP and the Liberals as good alternatives...really? The NDP hasn't been in power yet, so it's hard to say. But the last time Québec voted massively for the Liberals, Trudeau f*cked us over. It is no surprise that Québec has not elected a majority of liberals since then...And don't you remember the Sponsorship Scandal??? The Sponsorship Scandal was all about f*cking us, it is too bad that many like you have too short a memory.

Yeah I do remember, but on the last election, we were all the way NDP didn't you see ?

And the French language has slipped in parlement since their election. Not awfully encouraging...

Yeah but we got provincial for that -_- lol with the law 101 you don't have to worry about french, really. Its not as much about our language really, its the ideologies that matters the most.

Canada being supposibly a bilingual country, it isnt just a provincial thing. If it were just a provincial thing, then why need Canada, right?

Bill 101 has been torn up by the Canadian Supreme Court and by the Liberals when they were in power. In some aspects it is merely a shell of what it used to be. And when one considers that about half the city of Montreal do not speak French, bill 101 is more important than ever.

I would like to remind you that bill 101 exists because the state of the French language in Quebec was bad. If your grandparents are old enough they would probably tell you how bad it was. Neglecting the bill now would be a mistake which would eventually bring us back to that poor state. Let me remind you that we do not have a population of 65 million like France does. We are a minority in Canada, in North America and the Americas. We cannot take this lightly as you are.

Let me guess, you are probably from the Outaouais, right?

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Quebeck indepndence I herad there be voting soon about liberation, is it true?
and you thoughts about it? is it good, will it be better

Anyways it would bring alot of shit to the province if we'd separate from CA really, financially and morally.

Financially Québec can win from it's independance, for many reasons :
- Many services are done twice, and thus cost twice as much as they should. Example : doing a tax form to Québec AND to Canada. 2 tax forms = 2 public servants you are paying. Do you really want to pay twice as much for something that can be done by 1 person? There are many other examples of ministries and government agencies that are doubled, and that do not benefit the tax payer.
- Québec would be asked to take on its share of the Canadian debt. But people often forget that Québec would then be intitled to its share of what it has payed for with OUR taxes. One cannot count the ''passive'' without the ''active''.

Morally :
- I agree with Jocelyn Maclure's theory that Québec suffers from a ''collective melancholia''. That melancholia is defined by a sens of loss, an insecure identity, and self-pity. For those who speak French, a brief description of Maclure's theory : http://books.google.ca/books?id=XbGf8cEwxzgC&lpg=PA611&ots=zSJxguwUkK&dq=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&hl=fr&pg=PA611#v=onepage&q=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&f=false
Independance can be a way to go beyond our collective melancholia.
-The Harper government is a good example of how Québec is trapped constitutionnaly in a country that it cannot identity itself with. Canada's neglect of the Kyoto Protocol and the destruction of the gun registry are just 2 examples of politics that are AGAINST Québec's interests. A free country could enforce the politics and policies that ressemble Québecois. That is not the case presently.
- Québec differs from Canada in its use (and necessity) for collective rights. A Québecois system that is not constantly rebuked by the Federal Judicial system does not currently exist. So pretty much, a few men from British-Columbia and Saskatchewan can decide what Québec can do constitutionnaly (not to mention politically). Isn't there something wrong here?

I cannot disagree when somebody says that Québec should stay in Canada because they have an attachement to Canada. After all, there is a lot about the ''yes'' or ''no'' to Québec sovereignty that is emotional, beyond rational. But I cannot agree with moral or financial arguments because they simply do not add up.

Yea I agree with you about the identity versus the government, but it can easily be changed... I mean NDP and Liberals are a pretty good alternative, we don't have to separate from CA to get what we want. There is already political parties that represent us outside our provincial government. I think we're a big part of canada's history I don't see the point in independance, sure we could use some new laws and politics but we seriously don't have to separate. Plus what else is there apart from finances and morals in a society like ours nowadays nothing, its all about that, everything we do is about that. There is no other ''arguments''. I get what you mean though but I still think that its profitable for both Canada and Quebec to be together, because of our culture, our finances and gosh we're one of those countries that advocates multiculturism in many ways so why the fuck playing the hypocrites.

As I said, can't argue with attachment and the emotional factor. That's alright, and each has his own way of seeing it in that light.

But the NDP and the Liberals as good alternatives...really? The NDP hasn't been in power yet, so it's hard to say. But the last time Québec voted massively for the Liberals, Trudeau f*cked us over. It is no surprise that Québec has not elected a majority of liberals since then...And don't you remember the Sponsorship Scandal??? The Sponsorship Scandal was all about f*cking us, it is too bad that many like you have too short a memory.

Yeah I do remember, but on the last election, we were all the way NDP didn't you see ?

And the French language has slipped in parlement since their election. Not awfully encouraging...

Yeah but we got provincial for that -_- lol with the law 101 you don't have to worry about french, really. Its not as much about our language really, its the ideologies that matters the most.

Canada being supposibly a bilingual country, it isnt just a provincial thing. If it were just a provincial thing, then why need Canada, right?

Bill 101 has been torn up by the Canadian Supreme Court and by the Liberals when they were in power. In some aspects it is merely a shell of what it used to be. And when one considers that about half the city of Montreal do not speak French, bill 101 is more important than ever.

I would like to remind you that bill 101 exists because the state of the French language in Quebec was bad. If your grandparents are old enough they would probably tell you how bad it was. Neglecting the bill now would be a mistake which would eventually bring us back to that poor state. Let me remind you that we do not have a population of 65 million like France does. We are a minority in Canada, in North America and the Americas. We cannot take this lightly as you are.

Let me guess, you are probably from the Outaouais, right?

Yeah I live there right now, but actually im from Lac St-Jean but to me, really, language is not as important... c'mon I mean yeah ok its part of the culture, but language is not whats gonna feed you, pay your bills, manage your economy, save the environment, improve health care... comon, it may be NICE to keep french alive, but it is not whats important in a society nowadays, its all the rest. Its my opinion.

Written by Slayer666 on 08.09.2012 at 13:39

I mean, sure, I'd miss coming back from a party at 4:30 AM, hammered out of my mind/high as a kite and being able to get a slice of pizza pretty much anywhere in town and then just chill in the streets with buddies or bitches, but it's a price I'd be happy to pay to get the fuck away from here.

Y U SO COOL FOOOOORRRRR

Written by Guib on 28.09.2012 at 01:09

Written by SilentScream on 27.09.2012 at 07:05

Written by Guib on 27.09.2012 at 05:06

Written by SilentScream on 26.09.2012 at 08:01

Written by Guib on 26.09.2012 at 06:49

Written by SilentScream on 24.09.2012 at 18:25

Written by Guib on 21.09.2012 at 01:54

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Written by Bad English on 06.09.2012 at 11:52

Quebeck indepndence I herad there be voting soon about liberation, is it true?
and you thoughts about it? is it good, will it be better

Anyways it would bring alot of shit to the province if we'd separate from CA really, financially and morally.

Financially Québec can win from it's independance, for many reasons :
- Many services are done twice, and thus cost twice as much as they should. Example : doing a tax form to Québec AND to Canada. 2 tax forms = 2 public servants you are paying. Do you really want to pay twice as much for something that can be done by 1 person? There are many other examples of ministries and government agencies that are doubled, and that do not benefit the tax payer.
- Québec would be asked to take on its share of the Canadian debt. But people often forget that Québec would then be intitled to its share of what it has payed for with OUR taxes. One cannot count the ''passive'' without the ''active''.

Morally :
- I agree with Jocelyn Maclure's theory that Québec suffers from a ''collective melancholia''. That melancholia is defined by a sens of loss, an insecure identity, and self-pity. For those who speak French, a brief description of Maclure's theory : http://books.google.ca/books?id=XbGf8cEwxzgC&lpg=PA611&ots=zSJxguwUkK&dq=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&hl=fr&pg=PA611#v=onepage&q=maclure%20m%C3%A9lancolie%20collective&f=false
Independance can be a way to go beyond our collective melancholia.
-The Harper government is a good example of how Québec is trapped constitutionnaly in a country that it cannot identity itself with. Canada's neglect of the Kyoto Protocol and the destruction of the gun registry are just 2 examples of politics that are AGAINST Québec's interests. A free country could enforce the politics and policies that ressemble Québecois. That is not the case presently.
- Québec differs from Canada in its use (and necessity) for collective rights. A Québecois system that is not constantly rebuked by the Federal Judicial system does not currently exist. So pretty much, a few men from British-Columbia and Saskatchewan can decide what Québec can do constitutionnaly (not to mention politically). Isn't there something wrong here?

I cannot disagree when somebody says that Québec should stay in Canada because they have an attachement to Canada. After all, there is a lot about the ''yes'' or ''no'' to Québec sovereignty that is emotional, beyond rational. But I cannot agree with moral or financial arguments because they simply do not add up.

Yea I agree with you about the identity versus the government, but it can easily be changed... I mean NDP and Liberals are a pretty good alternative, we don't have to separate from CA to get what we want. There is already political parties that represent us outside our provincial government. I think we're a big part of canada's history I don't see the point in independance, sure we could use some new laws and politics but we seriously don't have to separate. Plus what else is there apart from finances and morals in a society like ours nowadays nothing, its all about that, everything we do is about that. There is no other ''arguments''. I get what you mean though but I still think that its profitable for both Canada and Quebec to be together, because of our culture, our finances and gosh we're one of those countries that advocates multiculturism in many ways so why the fuck playing the hypocrites.

As I said, can't argue with attachment and the emotional factor. That's alright, and each has his own way of seeing it in that light.

But the NDP and the Liberals as good alternatives...really? The NDP hasn't been in power yet, so it's hard to say. But the last time Québec voted massively for the Liberals, Trudeau f*cked us over. It is no surprise that Québec has not elected a majority of liberals since then...And don't you remember the Sponsorship Scandal??? The Sponsorship Scandal was all about f*cking us, it is too bad that many like you have too short a memory.

Yeah I do remember, but on the last election, we were all the way NDP didn't you see ?

And the French language has slipped in parlement since their election. Not awfully encouraging...

Yeah but we got provincial for that -_- lol with the law 101 you don't have to worry about french, really. Its not as much about our language really, its the ideologies that matters the most.

Canada being supposibly a bilingual country, it isnt just a provincial thing. If it were just a provincial thing, then why need Canada, right?

Bill 101 has been torn up by the Canadian Supreme Court and by the Liberals when they were in power. In some aspects it is merely a shell of what it used to be. And when one considers that about half the city of Montreal do not speak French, bill 101 is more important than ever.

I would like to remind you that bill 101 exists because the state of the French language in Quebec was bad. If your grandparents are old enough they would probably tell you how bad it was. Neglecting the bill now would be a mistake which would eventually bring us back to that poor state. Let me remind you that we do not have a population of 65 million like France does. We are a minority in Canada, in North America and the Americas. We cannot take this lightly as you are.

Let me guess, you are probably from the Outaouais, right?

Yeah I live there right now, but actually im from Lac St-Jean but to me, really, language is not as important... c'mon I mean yeah ok its part of the culture, but language is not whats gonna feed you, pay your bills, manage your economy, save the environment, improve health care... comon, it may be NICE to keep french alive, but it is not whats important in a society nowadays, its all the rest. Its my opinion.

Why are you on a metal forum man, what the hell? Metal is not whats gonna feed you, pay your bills, manage your economy, save the environment, improve health care...

But wait...Metal is something that, in part at least, defines you as an individual. Better than that, metal is part of every single person on this forum. What if I told you that in Québec we have something that, in part at least, defines almost 8 000 000 people. Of course it doesn't pay the bills, but its part of us all (almost). And not having it there would be a collective loss.

It's time to trim the shit. You know what I mean.....

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Why are you on a metal forum man, what the hell? Metal is not whats gonna feed you, pay your bills, manage your economy, save the environment, improve health care...

But wait...Metal is something that, in part at least, defines you as an individual. Better than that, metal is part of every single person on this forum. What if I told you that in Québec we have something that, in part at least, defines almost 8 000 000 people. Of course it doesn't pay the bills, but its part of us all (almost). And not having it there would be a collective loss.

You have a point there but its much more than language. We're talking morals, ideologies. I could have the same ideologies while speaking a completely different language, you understand? Its not what defines us, yes its a big part of our culture, but its the way we think and see things that matters the most. We shouldn't mix Politics with language just like we shouldn't mix it with Religions. Its not that kind of debate that should be brought on the table when talking politics but Health Care, Economy, Ecology, Immigration (...).

@Cynic: There, sorry man, won't happen again lol.

Written by Mattybu on 29.09.2012 at 03:43

Y U SO COOL FOOOOORRRRR

Just how I roll, brah. Gots too much SWAG.

Removed the French posts for obvious reasons.

Next time provide a translation in English if you want to post in French

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 18.10.2012 at 13:52

Removed the French posts for obvious reasons.

Next time provide a translation in English if you want to post in French

Actually Marcel translation there was not needed, he was angry cuz we didn't have the same political views, translation is unecessary.

Written by Guib on 07.11.2012 at 05:37

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 18.10.2012 at 13:52

Removed the French posts for obvious reasons.

Next time provide a translation in English if you want to post in French

Actually Marcel translation there was not needed, he was angry cuz we didn't have the same political views, translation is unecessary.

No, actually there is.

Like Doc said translation IS needed, since it is in the forum rules/faqs

Doesn't matter what you talk about, English it should be. If posts are written in another language translation in english is mandatory

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 07.11.2012 at 21:44

Like Doc said translation IS needed, since it is in the forum rules/faqs

Doesn't matter what you talk about, English it should be. If posts are written in another language translation in english is mandatory

Well I know that, but thats not really what I meant. anyways doesn't matter anymore.

Anyone else in the Vancouver Island area?

Written by HeathenHeart on 28.07.2013 at 07:01

Anyone else in the Vancouver Island area?

Hey man, How's vancouver metal-wise ? Good scene round' there ?

Hail from Québec city!

Written by Troy Killjoy on 16.04.2011 at 04:22

attention grabber

hey man, about your post in the australian metalstormers topic. thanks!
whenever i think of canada, and this is also due to the canadians i've met during my travels, everybody in canada is at least two hours away from everything and everyone (they were always bragging about being in the middlest of the middle of nowhere, haha). oh and they all said it was about minus 30 degrees at all times everywhere.

is that true? i mean, looking at "weather extremes in canada", you've got everything from +45 to -63
where are you from in canada? what do you think are the 'cool' places?

Written by Lucas on 05.02.2014 at 22:13

Written by Troy Killjoy on 16.04.2011 at 04:22

attention grabber

hey man, about your post in the australian metalstormers topic. thanks!
whenever i think of canada, and this is also due to the canadians i've met during my travels, everybody in canada is at least two hours away from everything and everyone (they were always bragging about being in the middlest of the middle of nowhere, haha). oh and they all said it was about minus 30 degrees at all times everywhere.

is that true? i mean, looking at "weather extremes in canada", you've got everything from +45 to -63
where are you from in canada? what do you think are the 'cool' places?

The minus 30 at all times everywhere is definitely untrue haha... during winter (in quebec at least) its usually between -10 / -25 ... it does happen sometimes that it goes under
but its not the big deal unless you live WAY UP north, in that case, I do not envy you. But yeah there are cool places.. Metal Wise on my side of canada I'd say Montreal is pretty great
there's a lot of good gigs at Metropolis, Club Soda and Foufoune Electric. Toronto ain't too bad but I prefer the festivals in Montreal. Also during summer there's the Amnesia Rockfest in Montebello which is getting bigger and bigger every year. I don't know much for the west part though... Canada is pretty big lol.

Hey guys, I'm Helloface but you can call me Kaiser, 'face, or HF.

I'm a 13 year old from BC and I love three things: lacrosse, combat robotics, and thrash metal.

I came here because I want to broaden my knowledge of thrash and discover some underground thrash bands.

Written by Helloface on 31.03.2014 at 00:15

I came here because I want to broaden my knowledge of thrash and discover some underground thrash bands.

Welcome to the site! I'm sure your metal horizons will evolve far beyond thrash metal over here as well