vikingman369
Posts: 22 From: USA |
Well, people STILL haven't told me why this album is good. It mostly just has popular appeal, thats the only reason people call it good.
Metal was (back in the days of the "classics") an underground movement, because it DIDN'T have popular appeal. Metal that has popular appeal goes against the underground, outlawish spirit of Metal.
Plus, I don't subscribe to pop-metal like Master of Puppets, Tarja Turunen, Megadeth or Iron Maiden. I like metal-bands because I like them, not because the masses say they're good.
Which brings me back to my question (which you seem to have completely ignored)...What makes master of puppets so special?
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K✞ulu Seeker of Truth
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21.11.2009 - 22:23Rating: 9
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Written by vikingman369 on 21.11.2009 at 21:26
Well, people STILL haven't told me why this album is good. It mostly just has popular appeal, thats the only reason people call it good.
Metal was (back in the days of the "classics") an underground movement, because it DIDN'T have popular appeal. Metal that has popular appeal goes against the underground, outlawish spirit of Metal.
Plus, I don't subscribe to pop-metal like Master of Puppets, Tarja Turunen, Megadeth or Iron Maiden. I like metal-bands because I like them, not because the masses say they're good.
Which brings me back to my question (which you seem to have completely ignored)...What makes master of puppets so special?
Well, if the review is not enough for you to explain what's so good about this album, I am not gonna bring anything new in. And I think there cannot be an objective justification for why a certain album is good. People have different opinions, that's it. You happen to be one of those who don't like it.
But tell me, how does it make any sense to say that people call this album good because of the popular appeal? People loved this album in 1986. They love it now. What does its popularity have to do with anything? Are you saying that I love this album because it is popular?
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vikingman369
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You probably do, especially since, in your own words, you're not going to tell me what's so good about it.
"Well, if the review is not enough for you to explain what's so good about this album, I am not gonna bring anything new in."
My point is proven: master of puppets is pop-metal!
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck
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Written by vikingman369 on 22.11.2009 at 01:54
You probably do, especially since, in your own words, you're not going to tell me what's so good about it.
"Well, if the review is not enough for you to explain what's so good about this album, I am not gonna bring anything new in."
My point is proven: master of puppets is pop-metal!
So I loved it in 1986 and still love it now because of its and Metallica's popular appeal? Metallica got popular with the black album.
And no this is not Metallica's best because that would be Ride The Lightning. MoP wasn't written to appeal to the big masses, unliek St. anger which was clearly targeted at angsty youths and the nu-metal crowd.
This album is a classic cause the songs are well-written, well-executed, and the built up of the album has clearly been thought of. Production is perfect here complementing the music.
I find it hilarious you go on about people liking stuff because it is popular when you have as favourite bands Evanescence, Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, Leaves Eyes, Korpiklaani, Distubred, all bands that write music targeted at the billboards and at being popular.
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Lord_Regnier
Posts: 1469 From: Canada |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.11.2009 at 15:37
I find it hilarious you go on about people liking stuff because it is popular when you have as favourite bands Evanescence, Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, Leaves Eyes, Korpiklaani, Distubred, all bands that write music targeted at the billboards and at being popular.
Indeed, all those bands are commercial garbage.
I wouldn't mind too much for this guy's comments, Marcel. I saw his posts on the St.Anger thread. Pretty dumb, if you ask me.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck
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Written by Lord_Regnier on 22.11.2009 at 16:53
Indeed, all those bands are commercial garbage.
I wouldn't mind too much for this guy's comments, Marcel. I saw his posts on the St.Anger thread. Pretty dumb, if you ask me.
I read those comments before his here. Well, I just can't stand stupidity from someone who has probably only bene listening to metal for a year. And who of course wasn't even a glimmer in his father's eyes when te true classics of metal were released.
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Lord_Regnier
Posts: 1469 From: Canada |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.11.2009 at 17:46
Written by Lord_Regnier on 22.11.2009 at 16:53
Indeed, all those bands are commercial garbage.
I wouldn't mind too much for this guy's comments, Marcel. I saw his posts on the St.Anger thread. Pretty dumb, if you ask me.
I read those comments before his here. Well, I just can't stand stupidity from someone who has probably only bene listening to metal for a year. And who of course wasn't even a glimmer in his father's eyes when te true classics of metal were released.
Well, it's not our fault if the metal community is the biggest gathering of retards and hopeless wretches on the internet.
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K✞ulu Seeker of Truth
Posts: 2570 From: Czech Republic |
22.11.2009 - 20:22Rating: 9
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Well, the dude's analytical thinking is pretty screwed... and he seems to be missing my point... gotta stop posting.
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vikingman369
Posts: 22 From: USA |
Written by Lord_Regnier on 22.11.2009 at 16:53
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.11.2009 at 15:37
I find it hilarious you go on about people liking stuff because it is popular when you have as favourite bands Evanescence, Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, Leaves Eyes, Korpiklaani, Distubred, all bands that write music targeted at the billboards and at being popular.
Indeed, all those bands are commercial garbage.
I wouldn't mind too much for this guy's comments, Marcel. I saw his posts on the St.Anger thread. Pretty dumb, if you ask me.
Well FUCK YOU! You're a dumb-ass faggot for liking master-of-fucking-puppets like the rest of this fucking world! Go baa like a little sheep with all your pop-metal fag-herd! Your opinion is worth shit! READ THIS, YOU ASS-HOLE! B---:mad:
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Lord_Regnier
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Yeah, of course. Evanescence and Korpiklaani are surely more metal than "Master Of Puppets".
By the way, I don't even like MoP. It's just that your logic is so flawed I felt I had to defend the album even if I never liked it much.
You surely don't know me at all and didn't read my posts on this board, if you think I enjoy pop-metal. If there's one guy here who criticized stuff for being commercial and mainstream, it's precisely me.
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SatyriconChick
Posts: 248 From: USA |
Written by Lord_Regnier on 24.11.2009 at 13:16
Yeah, of course. Evanescence and Korpiklaani are surely more metal than "Master Of Puppets".
By the way, I don't even like MoP. It's just that your logic is so flawed I felt I had to defend the album even if I never liked it much.
You surely don't know me at all and didn't read my posts on this board, if you think I enjoy pop-metal. If there's one guy here who criticized stuff for being commercial and mainstream, it's precisely me.
I don't get it... I've seen you say in the St. Anger thread that thrash in one of the metal genres you least care for, and that black metal is the ONLY genre of extreme music you do like. Are you trying to get your post count up? Is that why you insist on trashing Metallica in their section up here? It's one thing for you to diss Satyricon's last two albums, since you at least do like their oldest releases, but coming here to do this is kind of sad. You're only pissing off the Metallica fans, and it's not exactly "constructive criticism" when you say things like what you said in your last post (although I'll admit to being a huge Evanescence fan). I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but seriously, what's your agenda here?
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Lord_Regnier
Posts: 1469 From: Canada |
Written by SatyriconChick on 26.11.2009 at 05:35
Written by Lord_Regnier on 24.11.2009 at 13:16
Yeah, of course. Evanescence and Korpiklaani are surely more metal than "Master Of Puppets".
By the way, I don't even like MoP. It's just that your logic is so flawed I felt I had to defend the album even if I never liked it much.
You surely don't know me at all and didn't read my posts on this board, if you think I enjoy pop-metal. If there's one guy here who criticized stuff for being commercial and mainstream, it's precisely me.
I don't get it... I've seen you say in the St. Anger thread that thrash in one of the metal genres you least care for, and that black metal is the ONLY genre of extreme music you do like. Are you trying to get your post count up? Is that why you insist on trashing Metallica in their section up here? It's one thing for you to diss Satyricon's last two albums, since you at least do like their oldest releases, but coming here to do this is kind of sad. You're only pissing off the Metallica fans, and it's not exactly "constructive criticism" when you say things like what you said in your last post (although I'll admit to being a huge Evanescence fan). I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but seriously, what's your agenda here?
Getting my post count up? Ridiculous. I don't give a fuck at such things.
Trashing Metallica? Since when? I never said that MoP is not good. As for ST.Anger, well, tons and tons of people think it's a piece of shit, so I'm only one more guy to share this opinion.
Pissing the Metallica fans? I don't care for what others believe. They can hate me as much as they want, it doesn't make the slightest difference to me. It's only a forum, after all. Nothing important.
As for my agenda here, do you really think it concerns you? It's not your business.
If you continue to quote my posts, I'll end up thinking that you're falling in love with me. lol
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SatyriconChick
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^ St. Anger's not a spectacular album, I will give you that.
As for your last statement, HAHA!!! You're too predictable, because I knew you'd say something along those lines since I quoted you here rather than just in Satyricon's section. Dream on, buddy!
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Lord_Regnier
Posts: 1469 From: Canada |
Written by SatyriconChick on 27.11.2009 at 16:21
As for your last statement, HAHA!!! You're too predictable, because I knew you'd say something along those lines since I quoted you here rather than just in Satyricon's section. Dream on, buddy!
You surely understand that it was a joke and I don't believe for an istant that you really have feelings for me. You're a funny girl, I think.
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SatyriconChick
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^ Of course I know it was a joke. I wasn't born yesterday.
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Lord_Regnier
Posts: 1469 From: Canada |
Written by SatyriconChick on 28.11.2009 at 00:16
^ Of course I know it was a joke. I wasn't born yesterday.
Indeed, you don't sound like a teengirl, imo.
Just by curiosity, how old are you?
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SatyriconChick
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Written by Lord_Regnier on 28.11.2009 at 05:07
Indeed, you don't sound like a teengirl, imo.
Just by curiosity, how old are you?
I'm 37, believe it or not.
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Lord_Regnier
Posts: 1469 From: Canada |
Written by SatyriconChick on 28.11.2009 at 19:59
Written by Lord_Regnier on 28.11.2009 at 05:07
Indeed, you don't sound like a teengirl, imo.
Just by curiosity, how old are you?
I'm 37, believe it or not.
Sure, I believe you. I have no reason to doubt your words.
What is funny is that I turned 37 in october (I swear it's true), so we are the same age.
Maybe it explains this weird 'relationship' we have on this board.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck
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Written by Lord_Regnier on 28.11.2009 at 20:46
Written by SatyriconChick on 28.11.2009 at 19:59
Written by Lord_Regnier on 28.11.2009 at 05:07
Indeed, you don't sound like a teengirl, imo.
Just by curiosity, how old are you?
I'm 37, believe it or not.
Sure, I believe you. I have no reason to doubt your words.
What is funny is that I turned 37 in october (I swear it's true), so we are the same age.
Maybe it explains this weird 'relationship' we have on this board.
You two are young
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Written by Lord_Regnier on 27.11.2009 at 14:20
Written by SatyriconChick on 26.11.2009 at 05:35
Written by Lord_Regnier on 24.11.2009 at 13:16
Yeah, of course. Evanescence and Korpiklaani are surely more metal than "Master Of Puppets".
By the way, I don't even like MoP. It's just that your logic is so flawed I felt I had to defend the album even if I never liked it much.
You surely don't know me at all and didn't read my posts on this board, if you think I enjoy pop-metal. If there's one guy here who criticized stuff for being commercial and mainstream, it's precisely me.
I don't get it... I've seen you say in the St. Anger thread that thrash in one of the metal genres you least care for, and that black metal is the ONLY genre of extreme music you do like. Are you trying to get your post count up? Is that why you insist on trashing Metallica in their section up here? It's one thing for you to diss Satyricon's last two albums, since you at least do like their oldest releases, but coming here to do this is kind of sad. You're only pissing off the Metallica fans, and it's not exactly "constructive criticism" when you say things like what you said in your last post (although I'll admit to being a huge Evanescence fan). I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but seriously, what's your agenda here?
If you continue to quote my posts, I'll end up thinking that you're falling in love with me. lol
You two already sound like a married couple.... Bickering on and on and on.....
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Written by Talvi on 24.09.2006 at 18:51
This album has destroyed thrash metal, and it shouldn't exist. This has madean amazing underground genre as metal into a mainstream shit. When I hear this, I get a headache. Check metal-archives.com to see one good review that explains why this is so bad for metal.
It's interesting how this album is frequently considered one of the greatest metal albums of all time and yet you find cunts who say it's bad and "gives them a headache"
I hate nothing in my life more than fucking morons who think legendary albums are overrated. How on earth did this album destroy thrash??!! I don't think it's "mainstream" when it includes an 8-minute instrumental!!!! If anything, it perfected thrash with its intelligent structures and perfect hints of melody!
I'm practically in awe of some retarded people here who just think they're so great when they bash amazing albums just to be special and different. You people don't deserve to live !!
Nevertheless, no matter how great and hailed an album is, you will always find that asshole who goes "it's soooo overrated" - I pity people like these cuz they're so desperate for attention
Anyways, one hell of an album and soo NOT overrated - it took the credit it truly deserved
I'd give it a 9
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Written by vikingman369 on 02.11.2009 at 00:52
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE HELL IS SO SPECIAL ABOUT THIS CD THAT MAKES EVERYONE CALL IT "THE BEST METAL ALBUM EVER?"
Btw, one could call the master of puppets album "pop-metal", since it has popular appeal in the metal-genre.
What's so special about this album? That it marvelously blends melody with aggression
Tight song structures
An epic instrumental
Classic songs that simply live forever
All those critics can't be wrong !!
If you're telling me that the interlude of the title track isn't something unique, then YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME
Pop-metal ? OH MY GOD !!!!!!
I'm speechless
To call a track like Battery pop metal is just a crime !!! Just because these songs appeal to metalheads doesn't fucking mean they're pop !!!!! What is Linkin Park or Evanescence then?!
What you're saying means this : say I took a brutal death metal album - since it appeals to metal fans than it's clearly pop-metal
Can't you see that your point is completely retarded ?!!!!!! Being appealing for fans of a certain genre doesn't make the songs pop or commercial - I doubt that a Likin Park fan will like Damage, Inc for instance....There's a difference between intelligent, good music - like this album - and music solely directed to the mainstream audience !!!
People !! Stop BASHING THIS GREAT ALBUM WITH MEANINGLESS, DESTRUCTIVE COMMENTS !!!!
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Nyoink
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08.05.2010 - 18:58Rating: 10
eh, ok, not my fave metallica album... a bit overrated imo. But I have to admit that tracks like Battery, Master of Puppets and Orion kick serious ass.
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This is my favourite Metallica album. It's their best album (in my opinion), and it deserves the score it got. i love Metallica.
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Mad Mike
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29.09.2010 - 01:33Rating: 10
Written by Talvi on 24.09.2006 at 18:51
This album has destroyed thrash metal, and it shouldn't exist. This has madean amazing underground genre as metal into a mainstream shit. When I hear this, I get a headache. Check metal-archives.com to see one good review that explains why this is so bad for metal.
Kind of ironic you say that. In my opinion, that fucking sorry excuse of a sorry excuse of a website is what's truly bad for metal. I'll leave it at that since there is nothing I can say about that abomination known as Metal Archives that hasn't already been said. BTW Metal was a mainstream genre long before this album came out, do some fucking research
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vezzy Stallmanite
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29.09.2010 - 14:16Rating: 8
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Written by Mad Mike on 29.09.2010 at 01:33
Written by Talvi on 24.09.2006 at 18:51
This album has destroyed thrash metal, and it shouldn't exist. This has madean amazing underground genre as metal into a mainstream shit. When I hear this, I get a headache. Check metal-archives.com to see one good review that explains why this is so bad for metal.
Kind of ironic you say that. In my opinion, that fucking sorry excuse of a sorry excuse of a website is what's truly bad for metal. I'll leave it at that since there is nothing I can say about that abomination known as Metal Archives that hasn't already been said. BTW Metal was a mainstream genre long before this album came out, do some fucking research
That post was written four years ago.
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30.09.2010 - 03:34Rating: 10
Written by vezzy on 29.09.2010 at 14:16
Written by Mad Mike on 29.09.2010 at 01:33
Written by Talvi on 24.09.2006 at 18:51
This album has destroyed thrash metal, and it shouldn't exist. This has madean amazing underground genre as metal into a mainstream shit. When I hear this, I get a headache. Check metal-archives.com to see one good review that explains why this is so bad for metal.
Kind of ironic you say that. In my opinion, that fucking sorry excuse of a sorry excuse of a website is what's truly bad for metal. I'll leave it at that since there is nothing I can say about that abomination known as Metal Archives that hasn't already been said. BTW Metal was a mainstream genre long before this album came out, do some fucking research
That post was written four years ago.
I know, I can read . I finally got around to looking at the comments for this album, which I avoided doing for a long time because I knew I would read a comment that would piss me right off, and that's exactly what happened. Just because it's an old post doesn't make it any less retarded.
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Written by Mad Mike on 29.09.2010 at 01:33
Written by Talvi on 24.09.2006 at 18:51
This album has destroyed thrash metal, and it shouldn't exist. This has madean amazing underground genre as metal into a mainstream shit. When I hear this, I get a headache. Check metal-archives.com to see one good review that explains why this is so bad for metal.
Kind of ironic you say that. In my opinion, that fucking sorry excuse of a sorry excuse of a website is what's truly bad for metal. I'll leave it at that since there is nothing I can say about that abomination known as Metal Archives that hasn't already been said. BTW Metal was a mainstream genre long before this album came out, do some fucking research
The abomination known as Metal Archives? Really? You may not agree with a significant amount of it's reviewers(even though most of the MoP reviews are positive), but it is a great website for discovering lesser known bands, and has surely helped many people, myself included, get into metal.
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10.09.2011 - 11:24Rating: 9
Written by Guest on 10.09.2011 at 06:07 but it is a great website for discovering lesser known bands
That is by far the best thing about Metal Archives. Their list of bands is exhaustive, and is undeniably great. In every other aspect though, Metal Storm is by far, a superior site for metal.
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ppippissi
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Wait, didn't the bus accident happen in Sweden?
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