Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck
Posts: 40071 From: The Netherlands |
The Irrelevance Of Writing A Rant About The Irrelevance Of Arguing Over Music
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MeloDeathViking
Posts: 514 From: USA |
I agree 100% with this. People just need to care less about what other people think and just go with what they like. I'm didn't stop listening to A7X's last cd because other people said they sucked, I just thought that album was shit, and I'm still willing to admit that City of Evil is an album that I love, and an album that really helped get me into metal. Opinions are subjective, that's why they're opinions!!
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Roro
Posts: 943 From: Egypt |
RoroPosts: 943 From: Egypt
True, everyone should understands AND respects that people are different in personality, backgrounds, music and religion. we are all different. and this is the beauty of universe.
and i think the one who is forcing his opinion above all is hasing a serious self confidence issue lol
good article btw
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ylside
Posts: 4727 From: Morocco |
ylsidePosts: 4727 From: Morocco
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 09.06.2010 at 15:02
The Irrelevance Of Writing A Rant About The Irrelevance Of Arguing Over Music
My thoughts exactly actually!
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Got Mayhem?
Posts: 767 From: USA |
Oh god...that A7X photo with Portnoy put into it...it just made me want to argue something.
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Reizenstein
Posts: 59 From: Sweden |
Pfft... typical stuff from someone having Ghost Brigade or Pig Destroyer amongst him favorite bands...
No, bad jokes aside, verry well written. I agree with most of it.
Being that I hang around with people who mostly think anything related to metal in general is trash, I've long since learned to swallow my pride and eliteism when they're frothing about Basshunter and the likes.
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BitterCOld The Ancient One
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Amusing read. and for the most part i try to refrain from bashing the (clearly inferior) tastes of others, until such a time as they bash either myself or others (with even worse tastes) for our/their respective tastes.
as for megadave vs. selloutica, consider me monkey 3. only i stopped listening to them long before you even contracted a case of the limp bizkit.
the one point i do want to respond most to is in regards to bands we like getting bigger.
i think it's a case by case basis. at least for me it is. if a band significantly alters it's style to make tunes more radio friendly to score a largely fan base, i most likely will "sever the cord" with the band and move on. if a band grows because of hard work, continued touring, and their output remains true to what they started, more power to them.
the aforementioned former thrashers fell into category 1, enslaved is a band which to me falls into category 2. (ok, so their bank accounts are missing probably four or five zeros when compared to Lars')
the biggest issue i have with bands getting bigger and increasing their fanbase is that the newer fans often times just. don't. get. it. they jump on board with the (now cool) band (long after band was in all actuality cool) and don't necessarily understand the culture.
i'm not talking about the guy who wears a A7X shirt to an Opeth show. who cares? his tastes are his, mine are mine.
case in point: PITS. (this might be more North American than European here).
"Pits" have cropped up increasingly in shows beyond hard punk or metal and descended into even the likes of Bush* (I have a great story about that one but i won't digress here)
Exhibit A: SLAYER. Slayer is perhaps too hard for the more "casual" fans that have glommed on to other former Big Four bands. the pit at every show i've been too is exactly the same. Everyone understands pit etiquette. it's a brotherhood of blood, not a UFC match. someone goes down, YOU PICK THEM UP. everyone knows this. everyone understands this. everyone acts accordingly.
Exhibit B: Reel Big Fish. Ska Punk band that exploded on MTV for the amusingly anti-MTV/Radio track "Sell Out"- the biggest joke that entirely too few got. After gaining popularity, the composition of the crowds at their shows changed. (was there before, during, and after)... prompting them to write (a/k/a "In The Pit") which open mocks the douchebags in wifebeater t's picking fights and shoving little girls in the crowd. The new crowd didn't get it.
even fashions...
when grunge got big, designer flannel shirts started selling for hundreds of dollars. Ed Fucking Hardy is making t-shirts that sell for $300 ... no, Eddie, punk's not dead, but it's certainly on life support. that's not fucking punk. punk is buying the FEAR: The Record disk in the original longbox, getting a can of spray paint (I used red), a white t-shirt, and ripping the longbox apart to use the provided stencil to make your own fucking FEAR shirt. (feel free to add on some safety pins, if that's your thing).
while i don't (usually. or more than twice a day) advocate violence, i do certainly advocate it against the HardyTards.
so when a band's success results in a growing number of genetic defectives amongst the fanbase of said band, it makes it more difficult to publicly associate yourself as a fan of said band, lest you be associated with the new crowd.
so TL;DR:
when a band gets big(ger) there are basically three outcomes:
1. Band no longer makes music of interest to you. The spark is gone.
2. Band still makes good music, but attracts such a crowd of lions, tigers, and douchebags (oh my!) that you'd rather not be associated with them.
3. Band still makes good music, and (hopefully) has flown enough under the radar where their new fanbase isn't a rabid mob of the chromosomally challenged. when you see someone else sporting their t, your first reaction is "that guy is probably cool" as opposed to fight or flight.
p.s. nice logo.
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Panterica
Posts: 341 From: Israel |
I agree with you man, no one should tell others what's good music and what's not, just like no one should listen to Limp Bizkit .
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JosipS
Posts: 15 From: Australia |
JosipSPosts: 15 From: Australia
I agree with bittercold completely. i have the exact same reactions to bands who "get big". the douchebag fans are the most saddening to me, some sets of fans have completely turned me off bands and even some entire genres. in australia theres a serious lack of judgement of when and where to pit, Slayer? yes, Amon Amarth? sure thing, Sonata Artica? mmmm maybe depending on the song, Pain of Salvation? it seems humanly impossible, yet somehow there were fools doing it.
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Doc G. Full Grown Hoser
Posts: 9718 From: Canada |
Doc G.Full Grown HoserPosts: 9718 From: Canada
True enough. I'm still going to make fun of other peoples tastes though.
As far as bands getting big - I'll throw my 2 cents in with what BitterCOld said. It makes your appreciation of a band look cheaper almost...You were there in the bands detrimental stage, you were one of the people that helped get them to a successful point. Now they release an album that is marketed easily. You've been telling everyone and their dog about this awesome band for years, but no one listened. Suddenly they release a hit that alienates you as a fan, and everyone suddenly starts telling you about this band they discovered and you should check out, and that they've been a fan for ages.
Maybe it is snobbery, but I don't care. It's heartbreaking when that intimate connection with the band is lost because you're now associated with the bandwagon jumpers. At one time it felt like they were writing music just for you, but that is lost a bit when this happens. I think every music geek out there feels the frustration at least a little bit no matter how much they try and suppress such a feeling.
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PrettyMao
Posts: 86 From: Afghanistan |
Shut the fuck up Donnie!
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Darkside Momo Retired
Posts: 9087 From: France |
I'm starting to be worried bout the similarity of thought among the staffers.
Yes, I do think like Thryce, Citter COld, and especially Marcel.
*facepalm*
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Chainer Witch Hunter Gen
Posts: 172 From: USA |
ChainerWitch Hunter GenPosts: 172 From: USA
This was amusing, especially the big labowski pic, long live the dude!
but anyway I think its an important point made here but it warrants some clarification.
1st. flamers and trolls going on and on about metallic being shit and mayhem kicking ass (MAYHEMMMM)
is just a was of every conceivable resource that is required to produce such shit.
2nd. there is a distinction between bickering and intelligent discussion and debate about why one band is superior, faster, heaver, etc. than another. Now this being said as long as people realize that by and large musical preference relies heavily on taste and taste alone. Which means that people like music because the just do, and for the most part they dont give a shit what anyone else thinks. However humans are social creatures and they enjoy it when similar minded individuals like music of a similar type. This of course will lead to debate about whos fav is superior or whatever, and this is all good and healthy in the name of music. I dunno maybe I give people too much credit for thier intelligence, but maybe not. Anyway Thryce shouldnt be soo upset, i mean ur staff, and MS hosts yearly awards right? So if the sake of arguing is irrelevant, than the awards are irrelevant, and for that matter the forums are irrelevant too. So either we are all drooling fanboys with nothing better to do than rant about what bands we think are better or the present hypothesis about the irrelevance of musical argument is null and void.
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Everything he doesn't like is metalcore. Britney Spears, Elton John, Michael Moore, and green beans are also metalcore, in case you guys didn't know.
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Entropic Silence
Posts: 251 From: New Zealand |
A7X with Portnoy would sound mean...
Thanks for summing up my views on beliefs in general. Love sharing them, but hate persecution of mine or other people's. I probably attack people too much come to think of it.
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I think Metalheads should love ALL Metal.
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Ragana Rawrcat
Posts: 4919 From: Latvia |
RaganaRawrcatPosts: 4919 From: Latvia
Written by Guest on 10.06.2010 at 02:16
I think Metalheads should love ALL Metal.
Quite impossible. It's like saying that you should like all sorts of ice-cream if you like it at all.
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Uirapuru Liver Failure
Posts: 2955 From: Brazil |
UirapuruLiver FailurePosts: 2955 From: Brazil
Limp Bizkit has decent music
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Ag Fox Angel No More
Posts: 4774 From: Hong Kong |
Ag FoxAngel No MorePosts: 4774 From: Hong Kong
<3 you both, Thryce and Bitter COld
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Introspekrieg Totemic Lust
Posts: 2747 From: USA |
Two ego defense mechanisms:
Your favorite band sucks - because I have better taste in music and am more intelligent.
My favorite band sold out - because I am a unique individual and special.
People find identity in their beliefs, whether it be art, movies, books, music, sports, politics, etc.
I prefer to believe that most opinions will change as time goes on...
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Derwood
Posts: 511 From: Canada |
Great article, Thryce. However, my inner grammar nazi can't let the second sentence slide...
"If you change "religion" with the more general "believes"..."
That should be "beliefs" the plural of the noun "belief" "Believes" is the third person plural present conjugation of the verb "believe."
While I do agree with your premise, it doesn't allow for those of us who simply love to argue for the sake of arguing. Music is such a fantastic topic to argue about because people get so worked up about it so fast.
Once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
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Doc G. Full Grown Hoser
Posts: 9718 From: Canada |
Doc G.Full Grown HoserPosts: 9718 From: Canada
Written by Darkside Momo on 09.06.2010 at 22:38
I'm starting to be worried bout the similarity of thought among the staffers.
Yes, I do think like Thryce, Citter COld, and especially Marcel.
*facepalm*
I bet you all get your periods at the same time too.
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shadowdragonfly1
Posts: 72 From: Mexico
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This was an interesting read , also from BitterCOld's comment. I have never understood the point in all the flaming wars, its like in every entry in youtube music category is full of random insults and "this sucked" and also comments like "this is THE best shit eveeeer".
What i mean is that both kind of comments are unacceptable, the first one for obvious reasons, but the second one also is wrong because apparently it didn't require any type of rationalization, musical appreciation or ever felt the real energy or understood the objective of the song. Ever since i started listening to metal, i was against philosophies "If it sounds heavy, i like it"; this kind of mentality is what leads towards mediocrity, a band "selling out" (whatever that means) and overall mindless music adoption.
I also remember in an Ihsahn interview that he didn't like all the kvlt mentality in metal, because this was leading towards following other's thoughts and rules; which was against the free and wild nature of black metal. I totally agree with this, because you, as a thinking being, should decide for yourself what you like and don't. But in this same philosophy, let others have their beliefs; live and let life, you don't have to agree with everything, but as an alternative: anyone can find a middle ground, agree or disagree, without insulting anyone
PS. i lol'ed at portnoy's picture, and i don't like him playing with them, but probably it will work leading Dream Theater to new grounds in their music, only time will tell...
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BloodTears ANA-thema
Posts: 11835 From: Portugal |
"So yeah, bottom line, your favorite band still sucks big time. What are you gonna do about it, bitch?"
Perfect way to sum it all up
I really think this article is interesting and it's about time someone said it on an article. We do hear it a lot on MS, luckily, people who rant about the irrelevance of arguing over music but not on such a descriptive analysis.
I want to believe I'm one of the people who tries to stay away from those conflicts and "share the love" but I can be a "fanboy" sometimes too and be touchy and protective of what I like, it's only natural and pointless, afterall!
This is very funny as well, full of wit. But you suck too, okay?
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albatros
Posts: 261 From: Germany |
Written by Derwood on 10.06.2010 at 08:01
"Believes" is the third person plural present conjugation of the verb "believe."
They don't believes that.
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Darkside Momo Retired
Posts: 9087 From: France |
Written by Doc G. on 10.06.2010 at 08:52
Written by Darkside Momo on 09.06.2010 at 22:38
I'm starting to be worried bout the similarity of thought among the staffers.
Yes, I do think like Thryce, Citter COld, and especially Marcel.
*facepalm*
I bet you all get your periods at the same time too.
Probably.
But you're too young to have any yet, right?
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Fat & Sassy!
Posts: 3857 From: USA |
Honestly, I like arguing about subjective matter to sort of get a different perspective on things. It can be fun and interesting. I mean sure, you can never really FULLY understand one's perspective on anything, but you can try. That being said, I love listening to others opinion when they differ from mine as long as they aren't completely retarded. Someone who throws out shit like, "Your fav band sucks!" is probably an immature moron that needs to get knocked off their high horse.
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BitterCOld The Ancient One
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Written by Doc G. on 10.06.2010 at 08:52
Written by Darkside Momo on 09.06.2010 at 22:38
I'm starting to be worried bout the similarity of thought among the staffers.
Yes, I do think like Thryce, Citter COld, and especially Marcel.
*facepalm*
I bet you all get your periods at the same time too.
no. marcel has already gone through menopause.... and i'm probably not far off.
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O Sinistron Hopeless Sinner
Posts: 212 From: Brazil |
Written by ylside on 09.06.2010 at 16:11
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 09.06.2010 at 15:02
The Irrelevance Of Writing A Rant About The Irrelevance Of Arguing Over Music
My thoughts exactly actually!
I also thought that,
But I agree with the text...
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Roro
Posts: 943 From: Egypt |
RoroPosts: 943 From: Egypt
Written by Ragana on 10.06.2010 at 02:52
Written by Guest on 10.06.2010 at 02:16
I think Metalheads should love ALL Metal.
Quite impossible. It's like saying that you should like all sorts of ice-cream if you like it at all.
but i do love all kinds of ice cream :p .. its ICE CREAM!! who wouldn't?!
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Ragana Rawrcat
Posts: 4919 From: Latvia |
RaganaRawrcatPosts: 4919 From: Latvia
Written by Roro on 10.06.2010 at 20:42
Written by Ragana on 10.06.2010 at 02:52
Written by Guest on 10.06.2010 at 02:16
I think Metalheads should love ALL Metal.
Quite impossible. It's like saying that you should like all sorts of ice-cream if you like it at all.
but i do love all kinds of ice cream :p .. its ICE CREAM!! who wouldn't?!
I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't like all kinds of ice-cream...
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