Written by Erik M. on 14.12.2012 at 22:04

Written by Guest on 14.12.2012 at 21:58

We all can vote!

I suspected as much, but where and when?

For the whole month of February... where --> you'll see, it's easy.

Written by K✞ulu on 14.12.2012 at 22:11

For the whole month of February... where --> you'll see, it's easy.

Okay, thanks for the info.

Another fine, fine album and much better than Veronika, which really didn't do much for me.

Still standing at the first position, this makes me happy

Written by Guest on 17.12.2012 at 21:42

Another fine, fine album and much better than Veronika, which really didn't do much for me.

I totally agree. Veronika was very good, but somehow I can't enjoy it a lot (some songs are rather underwhelming to me).

Written by InnerSelf on 18.12.2012 at 19:38

Still standing at the first position, this makes me happy

Yeah, but for how long? With idiots voting 1's it's going to drop pretty fast. Rating this album a 1/10 is unjustifiable whether you like the music or not.

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Written by Erik M. on 18.12.2012 at 21:54

Still standing at the first position, this makes me happy

Yeah, but for how long? With idiots voting 1's it's going to drop pretty fast. Rating this album a 1/10 is unjustifiable whether you like the music or not.

Probably the longest period a Doom metal record has sat on top
I probably have never heard an album that I'd rate 1 and maybe that's because I try to stay the hell away from stuff I know I won't like.

Everytime I check the top 20 and still see this album on top I'm like "in your face, haters!"

Funny how I enjoyed this more than Veronika...

Written by Erik M. on 19.12.2012 at 00:20

Yeah, but for how long? With idiots voting 1's it's going to drop pretty fast. Rating this album a 1/10 is unjustifiable whether you like the music or not.

I got some attention by posting in the Shoutbox, and pointing out that 1s were all by Be'lakor fans... Unfortunately one of the votes that was removed, came back and voted the very next day. Oh well...

Written by InnerSelf on 19.12.2012 at 00:20

Probably the longest period a Doom metal record has sat on top
I probably have never heard an album that I'd rate 1 and maybe that's because I try to stay the hell away from stuff I know I won't like.

Really? I wouldn't know since I'm only really active on MS for a couple of months (registered longer than 2 years ago though). And yeah, I'd probably only give a 1 to a bad Nu metal band (which is my least favourite genre I suppose)... so I'd never listen to Nu metal in the first place, though when I would, I'd start with the best Nu metal band out there. To sum it up, the guy who voted a 1/10 is probably someone who hates seeing Saturnus on #1 in the top 20, or he just really hates the genre (which would be strange).

Written by CyberSymphony on 19.12.2012 at 20:05

Funny how I enjoyed this more than Veronika...

A lot of people seem to enjoy this more than Veronika (including me), yet it's "only" rated an 8.6, while Veronika has an 8.9.

Written by kaka on 19.12.2012 at 22:19

I got some attention by posting in the Shoutbox, and pointing out that 1s were all by Be'lakor fans... Unfortunately one of the votes that was removed, came back and voted the very next day. Oh well...

Yep, I noticed this as well (I think I saw your shout too). What a pathetic attempt on bringing this album down.

Gettin' a whoooole lotta 'meh' out of this one on my first listen. Romantic death-doom that overuses weepy guitar leads, and just isn't very engaging. I will admit I typically dislike the more romantic doom bands, but I've enjoyed previous Saturnus releases. This just fails to stand out amongst the slew of great doom releases this year. Sorry guys, I don't understand the hype.

Written by Apatheria on 21.12.2012 at 01:44

Gettin' a whoooole lotta 'meh' out of this one on my first listen. Romantic death-doom that overuses weepy guitar leads, and just isn't very engaging. I will admit I typically dislike the more romantic doom bands, but I've enjoyed previous Saturnus releases. This just fails to stand out amongst the slew of great doom releases this year. Sorry guys, I don't understand the hype.

Are you being serious? You can't judge an album after only 1 listen. I'd always listen at least 3 times, but mostly 5 times before even rating an album. I began liking Saturn In Ascension way more after my 5th listen, though that's just me. Their debut is better than this, but it still destroys Veronika and Martyre easily for me.

Written by Erik M. on 21.12.2012 at 20:41


You can't judge an album after only 1 listen.

Mmmm, in 99% of all instances you can.

Written by kaka on 19.12.2012 at 22:19

Written by Erik M. on 19.12.2012 at 00:20

Yeah, but for how long? With idiots voting 1's it's going to drop pretty fast. Rating this album a 1/10 is unjustifiable whether you like the music or not.

I got some attention by posting in the Shoutbox, and pointing out that 1s were all by Be'lakor fans... Unfortunately one of the votes that was removed, came back and voted the very next day. Oh well...

There are two users that voted 1, and vote "Enslaved - RIITIIR" 10. I'vge already voted "Enslaved" and "Be'lakor" album 10, cause I really enjoy listening to them. but it's unfair to vote 1 just because you love other album be at top of top 20

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.12.2012 at 21:07

Written by Erik M. on 21.12.2012 at 20:41


You can't judge an album after only 1 listen.

Mmmm, in 99% of all instances you can.

EMols86 is right, most of music need to be over heard to be judged (My opinion )
There may be an album you enjoy it from first listen then after some replay it'd be boring or vice versa

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.12.2012 at 21:07

Mmmm, in 99% of all instances you can.

Being a smartass or being serious? I mean, obviously you can vote after 1 listen, but I can never form an opinion after just 1 time listening to any album.

Written by Erik M. on 21.12.2012 at 22:18

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.12.2012 at 21:07

Mmmm, in 99% of all instances you can.

Being a smartass or being serious? I mean, obviously you can vote after 1 listen, but I can never form an opinion after just 1 time listening to any album.

I am being serious. In 99% of all cases I can have a very formulated opinion on a n album after having only heard it once. But it has to do with 33.5 years of experience of listening to music?

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.12.2012 at 22:22

I am being serious. In 99% of all cases I can have a very formulated opinion on a n album after having only heard it once. But it has to do with 33.5 years of experience of listening to music?

Really... And your opinion doesn't change after you've listened to it for the 5th time for example? That's a lot more experience than I have; you can take off 30 years That being said, I'm the complete opposite when it comes to rating music. For example: Summoning... I hated Minas Morgul (seeing as you think the band as a whole sucks, you'd agree I assume ) the first time I heard it, though only after the 5th time or so I began to really like it.

Written by BehzadSh on 21.12.2012 at 21:08

There are two users that voted 1, and vote "Enslaved - RIITIIR" 10. I'vge already voted "Enslaved" and "Be'lakor" album 10, cause I really enjoy listening to them. but it's unfair to vote 1 just because you love other album be at top of top 20

Yep, I noticed this too. Pathetic to do such a thing, really. Ah well...

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.12.2012 at 21:07

EMols86 is right, most of music need to be over heard to be judged (My opinion )
There may be an album you enjoy it from first listen then after some replay it'd be boring or vice versa

Exactly. I have this all the time. Some albums are great the first time and are becoming less great after each listen and vice versa.

Written by Erik M. on 21.12.2012 at 20:41

Written by Apatheria on 21.12.2012 at 01:44

Gettin' a whoooole lotta 'meh' out of this one on my first listen. Romantic death-doom that overuses weepy guitar leads, and just isn't very engaging. I will admit I typically dislike the more romantic doom bands, but I've enjoyed previous Saturnus releases. This just fails to stand out amongst the slew of great doom releases this year. Sorry guys, I don't understand the hype.

Are you being serious? You can't judge an album after only 1 listen. I'd always listen at least 3 times, but mostly 5 times before even rating an album. I began liking Saturn In Ascension way more after my 5th listen, though that's just me. Their debut is better than this, but it still destroys Veronika and Martyre easily for me.

Generally I can tell when I'm not going to like an album, even with time. I do agree with you to an extent; there are plenty of albums that have taken time to sink in with me after I had only a somewhat positive reaction to them right away. But I had a pretty solidly negative reaction to this one right off the bat, and knowing my tastes, I doubt that's going to change.

Written by Guest on 24.12.2012 at 18:05

Meh, personaly i don't care if it doesn't make it in the top 20, even 1000 of 2012. Point is i enjoyed the atmosphere, solos and leads...
Though i must say am shocked that peeps just downvote other albums to see their favs high on the list,worse i have a hunch they haven't even listened to the albums they downvote...must be something IMPORTANT to see your fav album at the top of a metal storm list

A hunch you say, eh? I'm pretty damn sure those 3 1/10 votes come from users who haven't listened to this album, since they all give either 10/10 ratings or 1/10... and those 10/10's are often 2012 albums. Pretty dumb to downvote anyway; the rating on MS doesn't really influence my own rating, nor does the top 20 of each year influence it. If you remove those 3 1/10 ratings, this album would easily be back at #1, which means the new Enslaved album would be back at #2, so at least those trolls have succeeded in bringing this album down.

After listening to this album 10+ times I can finally judge it properly: it's amazing. That being said, they definitely improved upon Veronika and Martyre for me in every aspect, though it's still not quite as good as their debut, which will always be a special album to me. Every track is great, but Litany Of Rain, Wind Torn, Forest Of Insomnia and Between are definitely my favourites. The other 4 tracks are great as well, but I like them slightly less. The bonus track suffers from bad production and it doesn't really fit the album, but it's still a good track. My rating would be a 9.5/10.

Written by Erik M. on 24.12.2012 at 22:14

A hunch you say, eh? I'm pretty damn sure those 3 1/10 votes come from users who haven't listened to this album, since they all give either 10/10 ratings or 1/10... and those 10/10's are often 2012 albums. Pretty dumb to downvote anyway; the rating on MS doesn't really influence my own rating, nor does the top 20 of each year influence it. If you remove those 3 1/10 ratings, this album would easily be back at #1, which means the new Enslaved album would be back at #2, so at least those trolls have succeeded in bringing this album down.

But the new Enslaved album has seven 1 votes, so the trolls aren't confined to this new Saturnus album.

Written by Ace Frawley on 26.12.2012 at 00:31

But the new Enslaved album has seven 1 votes, so the trolls aren't confined to this new Saturnus album.

But it also has more votes. You're right though... I checked the 2012 ratings of those 7 users and it seems they all hand out pretty extreme ratings (mostly either 10/10's or 1/10's, though 1 user has rated both Saturnus and Enslaved a 1/10).

On a side note, where the hell did De Profundis come from all of a sudden (as it's at #1 of the top 20 right now)?

Written by Erik M. on 26.12.2012 at 00:51

On a side note, where the hell did De Profundis come from all of a sudden (as it's at #1 of the top 20 right now)?

Must have just got its 20th vote so now qualifies for the list. With so few votes, won't take many troll votes to bring it down.

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Written by InnerSelf on 19.12.2012 at 00:20

Written by Erik M. on 18.12.2012 at 21:54

Still standing at the first position, this makes me happy

Yeah, but for how long? With idiots voting 1's it's going to drop pretty fast. Rating this album a 1/10 is unjustifiable whether you like the music or not.

Probably the longest period a Doom metal record has sat on top
I probably have never heard an album that I'd rate 1 and maybe that's because I try to stay the hell away from stuff I know I won't like.

I think the lowest I could ever rate something is a 2, and I didn't even think that was possible until I heard Lulu.

Written by Jaeryd on 28.12.2012 at 09:40

I think the lowest I could ever rate something is a 2, and I didn't even think that was possible until I heard Lulu.

I'm not sure, though it's a fact that Saturn In Ascension cannot be rated even a 2/10, which equals to "pure shit". Even if this isn't your kind of music, then you still cannot call it pure shit. For example, I rated Viva Emptiness a 5/10 because I hate the vocals and lyrics. I want to rate it lower, but if there's a certain genre/style I don't like, I know I cannot really form a justified opinion on it. A 3/10 equals "very bad", which could be someone's opinion, so I'd say a 3/10 is the absolute minimum for this album.

Written by Erik M. on 28.12.2012 at 17:05

For example, I rated Viva Emptiness a 5/10 because I hate the vocals and lyrics.

wtf? where do you live? Then I'll drive over and burn your house down

But, seriously, wtf? Viva Emptiness is by far Katatonia's best of their modern era.

Never will get that either. Probably one of the best modern metal albums around.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.12.2012 at 17:13

Written by Erik M. on 28.12.2012 at 17:05

For example, I rated Viva Emptiness a 5/10 because I hate the vocals and lyrics.

wtf? where do you live? Then I'll drive over and burn your house down

But, seriously, wtf? Viva Emptiness is by far Katatonia's best of their modern era.

EMols dude watch out he'll do it ... he'll most certainly do it.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.12.2012 at 17:13

wtf? where do you live? Then I'll drive over and burn your house down

But, seriously, wtf? Viva Emptiness is by far Katatonia's best of their modern era.

Oh crap, now I've done it. You already know that I live in Tilburg, but you'll never know where exactly (at least I hope so).

Seriously though... I can't stand the vocals and lyrics. I love everything Katatonia did up until Brave Murder Day (that album is a masterpiece and in my opinion their best). I've even given the album a second chance a while back, but I still couldn't even finish listening to it. I might give it another chance to prove it to myself.