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Written by RavenKing on 22.09.2010 at 02:12
But don't forget this Powermetal rule: "Everything Tolkien-related is awesome. You must praise it. No matter if you actually listen to it or not".
And yet an actual Tolkien fan will despise everything that doesn't live up to the source material, power metal or no power metal. You do realize how obvious of a cop out your claim is though, don't you?
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Posts: 96 From: France |
22.09.2010 - 03:25Rating: 8
No one seems to mention "Valkyries", I like it a lot.
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Dark Blood The Avenger
Posts: 1435 From: Portugal |
22.09.2010 - 10:40Rating: 9
Very nice review here, man. But not as good as the album!
I had the same impressing that this album is one of BG's best achievements to date. Not wanting to undervalue their classics, of course, but this one is surprisingly good and epic. I'm really enjoying it.
Written by elseif on 22.09.2010 at 03:25
No one seems to mention "Valkyries", I like it a lot.
I second that. I like Valkyries a lot too.
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Angelic Storm Melodious
Posts: 6675 From: UK |
22.09.2010 - 11:33Rating: 9
I also love Valkyries. Its very different for BG, but still a great song. xD
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Baz Anderson
Posts: 13235 From: UK |
I fail to have been suckered in by this album. Maybe I just haven't given it enough listens, but it didn't seem to have any of their old charm.
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Angelic Storm Melodious
Posts: 6675 From: UK |
22.09.2010 - 12:07Rating: 9
It is a grower, or at least it was for me. Only 2 or 3 songs I loved right away. Maybe you just dont like it, but definitely for me, I needed about 3/4 listens to fully absorb it.
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Posts: 330 From: Serbia |
22.09.2010 - 14:08Rating: 9
I haven't listened it for more two weeks now (exams period, all work, no play), but I still find myself humming some random song from the album. Sacred Worlds, Tanerlon, Valkyries, A Voice In The Dark are the ones that grow on you instantaneously, the others may take more time. And Wheel Of Time has great music, but lyrics are kind of weak (the spinning/beginning part).
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Posts: 1941 From: Canada |
Written by Guest on 22.09.2010 at 02:18
Written by RavenKing on 22.09.2010 at 00:25
Funny, how opinions differ. I find NIME an extremely boring album with barely any good moment. And those interludes are utterly pointless.
Just one of those interludes is worth more than some other band's entire discography.
A bit far-fetched, isn't it? Better end this discussion here. I don't enjoy debates with blind fanboys.
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Written by Angelic Storm on 22.09.2010 at 11:33
I also love Valkyries. Its very different for BG, but still a great song. xD
im with u
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Written by RavenKing on 22.09.2010 at 14:20
A bit far-fetched, isn't it? Better end this discussion here. I don't enjoy debates with blind fanboys.
That would be the equal of me calling you a blind hater, which I haven't. Apprently you think it is OK for you to post your opinion as fact when speaking negatively of an album, but no one else should do it when complimenting an album they like or you're going throw out the "fanboy" cop out. Ending a conversation you no longer wish to take part in should be done with _grace_. Go get some injected.
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Written by Guest on 22.09.2010 at 02:18
Written by RavenKing on 22.09.2010 at 00:25
I've never been able to listen to this entire album without getting bored out of my mind.
That would describe every Opeth album I have ever had the great misfortune of listening to.
Booyeah!
Anyway, listened to it again, still can't get into it. There's just nothing to grab on to, no real catchiness. Apart from Ride into Obsession. You know what they say, nothing good lasts forever.
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Written by insanity.peppers on 23.09.2010 at 02:48
Booyeah!
Anyway, listened to it again, still can't get into it. There's just nothing to grab on to, no real catchiness. Apart from Ride into Obsession. You know what they say, nothing good lasts forever.
"War! It's now or never, we shall stand together!/We are the one, we are the nation, we are the one, we are the law!" not catchy? I am not sure what your idea of catchy is supposed to be. Ride into obsession is actually one of the less interesting songs for me, the kind of song that doesn't take too much blood, sweat or tears to create, unlike Sacred Worlds or Wheel of Time. Anyone who's written music should be able to recognize that this album is their best effort since the holy trilogy of Somewhere/Imaginations/Nightfall.
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Posts: 970 From: Spain |
23.09.2010 - 03:00Rating: 10
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@Hidden_Dictator: When you say something like this:
Written by RavenKing on 22.09.2010 at 02:12
But don't forget this Powermetal rule: "Everything Tolkien-related is awesome. You must praise it. No matter if you actually listen to it or not".
generaly you will get the label of "blind hater". By the way, your sentence is terribly unfortunate, you are prejudging ridiculously.
NIME is awesome, generaly you will get by the people that NIME is one of the best Blind Guardian's record. But you hate NIME, ok, ok, no problem .
NIME is awesome, end of this discussion .
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Written by Vikcen on 23.09.2010 at 03:00
@Hidden_Dictator: When you say something like this:
Written by RavenKing on 22.09.2010 at 02:12
But don't forget this Powermetal rule: "Everything Tolkien-related is awesome. You must praise it. No matter if you actually listen to it or not".
generaly you will get the label of "blind hater". By the way, your sentence is terribly unfortunate, you are prejudging ridiculously.
NIME is awesome, generaly you will get by the people that NIME is one of the best Blind Guardian's record. But you hate NIME, ok, ok, no problem .
NIME is awesome, end of this discussion .
Well, it's my opinion that NIME is nothing more than pretentious, overblown crap with very little real Power/Speed Metal. Truth is I like some Power/Speed Metal (mostly old stuff because barely any band still play real Power/Speed Metal since the millenia), but I hate it when bands start to incorporate symphonic/bombastic shit in their melodic Speed Metal music. It's the melodic Speed Metal element I enjoy in Powermetal, not anything else, so I will always prefer plain, straightforward Power/Speed Metal to symphonic or folk elements.
And I'm not the only one who considers NIME as one of the most overrated Powermetal albums in history. All Blind Guardian's albums from "Battalions Of Fear" to "Imaginations From The Other Side" blow this filler trackfest out of the water. Even ATITM is probably a bit better than NIME. Same for Hansen-era Helloween and any Gamma Ray album, except for "To The Metal" (this album really sucks big time).
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Posts: 489 From: USA |
23.09.2010 - 06:05Rating: 10
Written by RavenKing on 23.09.2010 at 03:50
Written by Vikcen on 23.09.2010 at 03:00
@Hidden_Dictator: When you say something like this:
Written by RavenKing on 22.09.2010 at 02:12
But don't forget this Powermetal rule: "Everything Tolkien-related is awesome. You must praise it. No matter if you actually listen to it or not".
generaly you will get the label of "blind hater". By the way, your sentence is terribly unfortunate, you are prejudging ridiculously.
NIME is awesome, generaly you will get by the people that NIME is one of the best Blind Guardian's record. But you hate NIME, ok, ok, no problem .
NIME is awesome, end of this discussion .
Well, it's my opinion that NIME is nothing more than pretentious, overblown crap with very little real Power/Speed Metal. Truth is I like some Power/Speed Metal (mostly old stuff because barely any band still play real Power/Speed Metal since the millenia), but I hate it when bands start to incorporate symphonic/bombastic shit in their melodic Speed Metal music. It's the melodic Speed Metal element I enjoy in Powermetal, not anything else, so I will always prefer plain, straightforward Power/Speed Metal to symphonic or folk elements.
And I'm not the only one who considers NIME as one of the most overrated Powermetal albums in history. All Blind Guardian's albums from "Battalions Of Fear" to "Imaginations From The Other Side" blow this filler trackfest out of the water. Even ATITM is probably a bit better than NIME. Same for Hansen-era Helloween and any Gamma Ray album, except for "To The Metal" (this album really sucks big time).
You are entitled to your opinion, and I appreciate that you actually gave some details on why you don't like this album or NiME. I, for one, (and apparently many others) happen to like symphonic and folk elements in music. I can understand and appreciate that you don't. However, calling something "pretentious, overblown crap" generally doesn't generally spawn constructive and worthwhile discussion.
I recommend learning a little more tact.
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Posts: 8662 From: Czech Republic |
23.09.2010 - 11:35Rating: 8
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Written by RavenKing on 22.09.2010 at 02:12
But don't forget this Powermetal rule: "Everything Tolkien-related is awesome. You must praise it. No matter if you actually listen to it or not".
i have another rule - everythig Blind Guardian-related is awesome
Praise it you must!
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23.09.2010 - 13:35Rating: 9
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Written by Hrothdane on 23.09.2010 at 06:05
Written by RavenKing on 23.09.2010 at 03:50
Written by Vikcen on 23.09.2010 at 03:00
@Hidden_Dictator: When you say something like this:
Written by RavenKing on 22.09.2010 at 02:12
But don't forget this Powermetal rule: "Everything Tolkien-related is awesome. You must praise it. No matter if you actually listen to it or not".
generaly you will get the label of "blind hater". By the way, your sentence is terribly unfortunate, you are prejudging ridiculously.
NIME is awesome, generaly you will get by the people that NIME is one of the best Blind Guardian's record. But you hate NIME, ok, ok, no problem .
NIME is awesome, end of this discussion .
Well, it's my opinion that NIME is nothing more than pretentious, overblown crap with very little real Power/Speed Metal. Truth is I like some Power/Speed Metal (mostly old stuff because barely any band still play real Power/Speed Metal since the millenia), but I hate it when bands start to incorporate symphonic/bombastic shit in their melodic Speed Metal music. It's the melodic Speed Metal element I enjoy in Powermetal, not anything else, so I will always prefer plain, straightforward Power/Speed Metal to symphonic or folk elements.
And I'm not the only one who considers NIME as one of the most overrated Powermetal albums in history. All Blind Guardian's albums from "Battalions Of Fear" to "Imaginations From The Other Side" blow this filler trackfest out of the water. Even ATITM is probably a bit better than NIME. Same for Hansen-era Helloween and any Gamma Ray album, except for "To The Metal" (this album really sucks big time).
You are entitled to your opinion, and I appreciate that you actually gave some details on why you don't like this album or NiME. I, for one, (and apparently many others) happen to like symphonic and folk elements in music. I can understand and appreciate that you don't. However, calling something "pretentious, overblown crap" generally doesn't generally spawn constructive and worthwhile discussion.
I recommend learning a little more tact.
Ignore this boy, he is enough popular between Maiden's fans as totally negative piece of something. Now he is starting his carrier with fans of Bards
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Written by roger73 on 23.09.2010 at 13:35
Ignore this boy, he is enough popular between Maiden's fans as totally negative piece of something. Now he is starting his carrier with fans of Bards
Shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. Those Maiden fanboys were just crazy and most of them seem to have been banned. You can't compare the situations.
Anyway, people who can't stand crticism at bands should stay away from metal boards.
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Posts: 330 From: Serbia |
23.09.2010 - 14:26Rating: 9
I've said it before people - "Ignore" function can be very useful. If you think someone's on a topic just for the Trolls' sake, simply go to their profile and click the "Ignore" button and you won't see their posts anymore (except is someone quotes them). Works with both fanboys and haters
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Vikcen Metálico
Posts: 970 From: Spain |
23.09.2010 - 15:00Rating: 10
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Written by Zmaj Ognjeni Vuk on 23.09.2010 at 14:26
Works with both fanboys and haters
Haha =).
Personally i don't like ignore to the people in this way.
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23.09.2010 - 15:34Rating: 9
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Written by RavenKing on 23.09.2010 at 14:15
Written by roger73 on 23.09.2010 at 13:35
Ignore this boy, he is enough popular between Maiden's fans as totally negative piece of something. Now he is starting his carrier with fans of Bards
Shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. Those Maiden fanboys were just crazy and most of them seem to have been banned. You can't compare the situations.
Anyway, people who can't stand crticism at bands should stay away from metal boards.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, I've read these discussions. You have no arguments only phrases which you think you can piss off persons which you think are "funboys". I don't think that new Gaurdian or Maiden are brilliant but you can't give one reasonable argument why it is so - in all your tons of messages
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Hrothdane
Posts: 489 From: USA |
23.09.2010 - 16:02Rating: 10
Written by RavenKing on 23.09.2010 at 14:15
Written by roger73 on 23.09.2010 at 13:35
Ignore this boy, he is enough popular between Maiden's fans as totally negative piece of something. Now he is starting his carrier with fans of Bards
Anyway, people who can't stand crticism at bands should stay away from metal boards.
I find it tragic that you don't know the difference between thoughtful criticism and name-calling.
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Written by Zmaj Ognjeni Vuk on 23.09.2010 at 14:26
I've said it before people - "Ignore" function can be very useful. If you think someone's on a topic just for the Trolls' sake, simply go to their profile and click the "Ignore" button and you won't see their posts anymore (except is someone quotes them). Works with both fanboys and haters
Ignore button is for pussies who are afraid of what they might read. There is no reason in the universe to us it. If someone has a point to make in the comments, then that is good. If somene is being a retard in the comments, then that is entertainment. Either way, ignore is for _pussies_.
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Pretty good album, I must confess Ive never been much of a Blind Guardian fan I could never gel with them....well its more Hansi's vocals that creeps me out. But this is their best in the last couple of years I think. For me "A Voice in the Dark" is the best one, also obviously the first one I heard off the album.
His vocals still push it a bit in my opinion. Its at the edge of uncontrolled especially when he goes for the really high notes (sort of like a pig being slaughtered alive). But having said that, its the Blind Guardian sound and it makes them unique so I can appreciate that.
7/10, better than most of the stuff Ive heard the last couple of weeks.
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Written by Guest on 23.09.2010 at 02:53
Written by insanity.peppers on 23.09.2010 at 02:48
Booyeah!
Anyway, listened to it again, still can't get into it. There's just nothing to grab on to, no real catchiness. Apart from Ride into Obsession. You know what they say, nothing good lasts forever.
"War! It's now or never, we shall stand together!/We are the one, we are the nation, we are the one, we are the law!" not catchy? I am not sure what your idea of catchy is supposed to be. Ride into obsession is actually one of the less interesting songs for me, the kind of song that doesn't take too much blood, sweat or tears to create, unlike Sacred Worlds or Wheel of Time. Anyone who's written music should be able to recognize that this album is their best effort since the holy trilogy of Somewhere/Imaginations/Nightfall.
I'm talking about the music, not the lyrics. Far as I'm concerned they could be singing about drowning puppies and it wouldn't matter as long as the music rocks.
The reason why Ride into Obsession was the only song that really stood out for me was because they finally took a simplistic, balls-to-the-wall approach, which is what BG do best (just look at most of their stuff before NFIME). The problem with BG is when they do put all their "blood, sweat and tears" into a song it turns into one big boring mess. Yes, And Then There Was Silence isn't all it's cracked up to be.
But this is the case with most power metal bands, not just them. You can achieve so much more with stripped down, focused, dynamic music than you can trying to be the biggest, most layered, complicated, epic thing out there.
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Written by insanity.peppers on 23.09.2010 at 23:04
I'm talking about the music, not the lyrics. Far as I'm concerned they could be singing about drowning puppies and it wouldn't matter as long as the music rocks.
The reason why Ride into Obsession was the only song that really stood out for me was because they finally took a simplistic, balls-to-the-wall approach, which is what BG do best (just look at most of their stuff before NFIME). The problem with BG is when they do put all their "blood, sweat and tears" into a song it turns into one big boring mess. Yes, And Then There Was Silence isn't all it's cracked up to be.
But this is the case with most power metal bands, not just them. You can achieve so much more with stripped down, focused, dynamic music than you can trying to be the biggest, most layered, complicated, epic thing out there.
I was talking about music too, I quoted the lyrics from moments I thought were most epic. I hoped you'd get that.
Simplistic and focused are just synonyms for dry as far as I am concerned. There is nothing much to enjoy there. The song doesn't make me want to sing along, it doesn't make me want to listen to it again once it's ended. Emotional impact = zero. And nothing that I would call epic is present.
I prefer symphonic, film-score inspired songs to fast stormers anyday. Because Sacred World makes me want to sing along, because even if I just hummed the tune without lyrics it would still be recognizibly Sacred Worlds, not just another speedmetal song. Because it is truly a story in music. An epic.
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24.09.2010 - 05:39Rating: 9
@Short, snappy burners vs layered complicated epics: Both Sacred Worlds and Ride Into Obsession are awesome to me... guess I must be weird then.
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Posts: 330 From: Serbia |
24.09.2010 - 17:16Rating: 9
Written by Guest on 23.09.2010 at 17:57
Written by Zmaj Ognjeni Vuk on 23.09.2010 at 14:26
I've said it before people - "Ignore" function can be very useful. If you think someone's on a topic just for the Trolls' sake, simply go to their profile and click the "Ignore" button and you won't see their posts anymore (except is someone quotes them). Works with both fanboys and haters
Ignore button is for pussies who are afraid of what they might read. There is no reason in the universe to us it. If someone has a point to make in the comments, then that is good. If somene is being a retard in the comments, then that is entertainment. Either way, ignore is for _pussies_.
I'm not afraid of what I might read, I just get tired of some people repeating basically the same things all over the boards. It's to no point, haters' gonna hate. And while it may be entertaining at first, it gets boring fast. And it's not like I ignore dozens of people, the number's 3 at the moment, an all 3 are blind haters repeating things like spambots.
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Written by Guest on 23.09.2010 at 23:30
Written by insanity.peppers on 23.09.2010 at 23:04
Simplistic and focused are just synonyms for dry as far as I am concerned.
I prefer symphonic, film-score inspired songs to fast stormers anyday.
Symphonic, film-score inspired songs are just synonyms for fluff as far as I'm concerned.
Different strokes for different folks.
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25.09.2010 - 00:56Rating: 7
Written by Guest on 21.09.2010 at 23:17
Written by Dark Cornatus on 21.09.2010 at 17:24
I would add Nightfall in Middle Earth too, but i can't stand the layout of the album... let's face it, it's a MESS! Who actually listens to it through from start to finish? It's too dramatic and boring. The actual lengthy songs are all great however.
Don't like the concept? Fine, but there isn't a boring moment on NIME and the interludes are very well done and the voice acting is excellent. If you want over dramatic, listen to Rhapsody of Fire.
It's not the concept i don't like. I love the story. It's just a personal opinion thing. I really don't like interludes all through albums. Another good example is Haggard 'Tales of Ithiria'. They put in REALLY BAD interludes in between all songs. The BG ones aren't really annoying, but sometimes you just want to here the flow of an album and not get bogged down with background noises and narration.
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