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Posted by moe5512 on 31.07.2011 at 23:15
I have a lot of friends whom listen to progressive music and always say how deep it is. If it is, why so? To me it's just music that doesn't follow the standard scales and in general I don't care about lyrics. What do you think? Is, let's say, Opeth deeper and more sophisticated than Iron Maiden or are they just two different kinds of music?



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deadone
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  26.05.2014 at 05:21
Written by RavenEffect on 10.05.2014 at 19:26

The first wave of Prog Rock was, inndeed, deeper than anything that has ever been done before to that date. Everything after that is just an echo of those years. It can be felt in stuff like In the Court of the Crimson King, Foxtrot or Close to the Edge, for example. Thick as a Brick is another example of how Prog music was just pushing boundaries. It was just something new



So even "more deeper" than the classical symphonies or some of the classic jazz compositions?


No such thing as "deep music." There's just personal opinion and taste.
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  26.05.2014 at 15:30
I obviously meant in terms of Rock ofc. But even in terms of Jazz, Prog was the evolution of jazz or the first real crossover between it and Rock, as you can check by all the classics, its Jazz being bigger and broader.

Its commonly said that, by the end of the 60's all rock bands were on a crossroad. They would either walk the Blues road and make Classic/Hard Rock or they'd go to the Jazz one and make Prog.

If you ask my opinion, the first prog wave was indeed, bigger than jazz in terms of "Deep Music", since, to me, the very definition of it comes to its Complexity in every aspect (musically, lyrically).
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  27.05.2014 at 01:42
Written by RavenEffect on 26.05.2014 at 15:30


Its commonly said that, by the end of the 60's all rock bands were on a crossroad. They would either walk the Blues road and make Classic/Hard Rock or they'd go to the Jazz one and make Prog.





Or they'd become pop bands and eventually morph into disco ala Bee Gees.

I don't think Prog is any deeper than any other music.


I could say I find Thrash, Power and Death more deeper than Prog simply cause it means more to me.
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  27.05.2014 at 12:17
Well, it all depends of our own definition of Deep. To you Deep and Meaningful mean the same obviously.

I love all genres but, for example, something like Thick as a Brick or Close to the Edge are way over anything thats been done in terms of Thrash, Power or Death for example. Even an album like The Human Equation for example.
Ganondox

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  25.06.2014 at 18:36
Not really, a lot of prog bands have terrible, pretentious lyrics, there is really nothing deep about them. Sure, the music is complex and many of them make actual stories, some prog bands are pretty deep, but the genre itself doesn't define that. I say lyrically alternative (the real stuff, not poseurs like Nickleback) tends to be much deeper.
JayMo4

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  04.07.2014 at 05:54
Yeah... asking if it's deeper is almost just another way of asking if it's better. Some people will feel more depth in one catchy riff or one harmonized hook than they will in 20 minutes of noodling.

By the way, I am a big fan of a lot of prog. I just don't buy the arguments I always hear about how much smarter or deeper it is than other music, particularly when so many of these so-called progressive bands sound exactly like bands that were around in the 70's.

I tend to like prog as an adjective more than as a genre. I like bands that are truly innovative and experimental, or bands that maybe sound somewhat like traditional prog but who bring their own flavor and imagination into making an album. I like technical proficiency when it is blended with good songwriting... when the lead guitar work is impressive both mechanically and melodically, when the tempo shifts flow naturally instead of sounding forced, when keyboards aren't just tacked on because, well, we're a prog band so we need some keyboards crammed in there somewhere!

Of course, plenty of deep people will disagree with me, and I'm comfortable with that.
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  14.07.2014 at 06:14
Written by whatsacow on 01.08.2011 at 10:18

I wouldn't say prog is deeper. It may be a little more complex in terms of rythm and occasionally melody, but look at bands like porcupine tree, who are quite simplistic (in comparison)


Despite their "simplicity", I've found Porcupine Tree to be one of the most meaningful progressive bands because unlike many progressive bands which are just a bunch of wanking and lyrical abstraction which doesn't really go anywhere, there is always a point to their lyrics and sounds.

Written by Milena on 01.08.2011 at 11:57

I've found Iron Maiden even deeper in some lyrics than Opeth (when they aren't cheesy) - they tell me a lot more of human life than Opeth's abstract poetry.
Sorry for my bumpy English today.


I think Iron Maiden is lyrically one of the best metal bands. They added an intellectual edge to metal by taking inspiration from classics, but without the pretention of later metal which falled suit, they just write about books because they resonate with the books, and are just as welling to tackle more common themes. They are often poetic, but not in manner which alienates most people.

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