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24.08.2011 at 22:29
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Written by R'Vannith on 13.08.2011 at 05:14
Though if it isn't death metal, what is it exactly? Extreme Symphonic metal?
Hmm yeah dude, you pretty much nailed it with that guess. If the album gets nominated at all it will be in the symphonic category, that decision was done ages ago by the staff though 
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24.08.2011 at 22:43
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Neither are particularly special in my Hopinion, certainly not worthy of their own thread ;]
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Mr. Doctor
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24.08.2011 at 22:46
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 24.08.2011 at 22:43
Neither are particularly special in my Hopinion, certainly not worthy of their own thread ;]
And I thought I was alone.... Agony is quite neat though but yeah, I'm just gonna listen to my Ulcerate album again.
Yeah... NOW we're talking innovative.
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24.08.2011 at 22:48
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 24.08.2011 at 22:46
And I thought I was alone.... Agony is quite neat though but yeah, I'm just gonna listen to my Ulcerate album again.
Yeah... NOW we're talking innovative.
Yep, throwing a bunch of symphonics at death metal was innovative when Nocturnus did it but not so much anymore.
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Mr. Doctor
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24.08.2011 at 22:49
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 24.08.2011 at 22:48
Yep, throwing a bunch of symphonics at death metal was innovative when Nocturnus did it but not so much anymore.
And let's not even start at how Nocturnus did it better XP
Anyways, voted for Agony, is the less meh one
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24.08.2011 at 22:50
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 24.08.2011 at 22:49
And let's not even start at how Nocturnus did it better XP
Anyways, voted for Agony, is the less meh one
No let's not piss off the fanboys here 
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24.08.2011 at 22:52
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 24.08.2011 at 22:46
And I thought I was alone.... Agony is quite neat though but yeah, I'm just gonna listen to my Ulcerate album again.
You're definitely not alone in this. Yeah Agony is neater than TGM, and now I'm listening to "The Destroyers Of All".
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R'Vannith
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25.08.2011 at 10:03
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 24.08.2011 at 22:48
Written by Mr. Doctor on 24.08.2011 at 22:46
And I thought I was alone.... Agony is quite neat though but yeah, I'm just gonna listen to my Ulcerate album again.
Yeah... NOW we're talking innovative.
Yep, throwing a bunch of symphonics at death metal was innovative when Nocturnus did it but not so much anymore.
I wouldn't say that Nocturnus implemented symphonics, just this eerie atmospheric vibe. 'The Great Mass' utilizes symphonic elements as a basis for the music almost to the point at which the metal element becomes secondary (I'm sure that some would argue it does come second). Nocturnus used some sort of spacey 'atmosphere', as opposed to symphonics, as the basis for their music but this came second to the Death metal part of their sound. But what you have in SepticFlesh is an obvious focus on these symphonics to the point of which the death metal is in a way detracted or 'reduced' I guess.
I think 'The Great Mass' is highly innovative, I certainly haven't heard anything take the whole symphonics thing to this extent, at least not from metal. Whether it works as a 'Death Metal' album is definitely in question though.
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25.08.2011 at 10:19
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Therion already did it way earlier as well.
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25.08.2011 at 10:34
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 25.08.2011 at 10:19
Therion already did it way earlier as well.
Yeah that's true. It's also an interesting comparison, Therion was initially Death metal as well but strayed into symphonic territory. Wonder if that's what we're seeing here with SepticFlesh? Though these two have a very different sound imo.
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Marcel Hubregtse
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25.08.2011 at 10:35
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Written by R'Vannith on 25.08.2011 at 10:34
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 25.08.2011 at 10:19
Therion already did it way earlier as well.
Yeah that's true. It's also an interesting comparison, Therion was initially Death metal as well but strayed into symphonic territory. Wonder if that's what we're seeing here with SepticFlesh? Though these two have a very different sound imo.
Therion aren't death metal any more just like SepticFlesh isn't death metal any more
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Mr. Doctor
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25.08.2011 at 12:51
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 25.08.2011 at 10:35
just like SepticFlesh isn't death metal any more
OH SNAP
...Thank you for that btw. It needed to be said.
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07.09.2011 at 20:49
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The Great Mass without hesitate.
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07.09.2011 at 22:36
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 25.08.2011 at 10:19
Therion already did it way earlier as well.
But they didn't do it well imo
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08.09.2011 at 02:28
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Both are mediocre really, and all the fuss about them...
The word "overrated" is overused, but these two truly deserve that lable. 
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12.09.2011 at 11:10
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The great mass is one of 2011 best albums, WTF are you guys talking about? mediocre? bad? Agony though sounds weak in comparison.
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12.09.2011 at 15:02
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None of these two releases did any big impressions on me. But if I have to, I would choose the Agony over The Great Mass. The latter one is just way too experimental for my taste and comparing to the Communion, which is a total blast, this is a step down.
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Clockwork
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18.09.2011 at 23:37
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I would have to pick the Great Mass over Agony. Agony was a fun listen, I just think the songwriting on the Great Mass is superior.
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19.09.2011 at 04:27
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Agony for sure. That album is like an old pretentious symphony orchestra conducter punching you in the balls. Nothing but hyper speed blast beats, an onslaught of riffs, and over the top orchestration. The best metal doesn't hold anything back, and Agony surely holds nothing back. The Great Mass should be a great album; it has great production, great riffs, great symphonics, but it's too midtempo.
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24.09.2011 at 16:04
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Both great albums, the great mass being the better of the two.in my opinion.
for all this who did it first shite tho, see Paradise Lost's Gothic album...........all the bands mentioned here used this album as their template.
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10.01.2012 at 08:58
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Pure personal preference, but The Great Mass is actually boring to me, where Agony has an orchestral element that you can headbang too!
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17.05.2012 at 08:03
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This decision is sooo hard for me! I think the Great Mass is put together better (mixing/layers are more clear) but with that being said, I get partially bored throughout the album. The album starts strong, but I feel it gets weaker towards the end with the exception of Therianthropy. In my opinion, the same chugging lines feel a little repetitive. With more interesting riffs and better, tighter musicianship, Felshgod Apocalypse snags my vote. The Agony seems draw my attention more as the album continues. Plus I love Fleshgod's operatic vocals; they are a brilliant touch! Though, I may only have a slight bias since I listened to the Agony constantly when I visited Italy 
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20.05.2012 at 12:59
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The Great Mass has stronger songs IMO so I voted for it.
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21.05.2012 at 02:17
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I could at least get past the first two tracks on Agony.
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22.05.2012 at 15:17
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Well. The Great Mass. Definitely. Why? All Fleshgod Apo tracks sounds very similar. I only remember 'The Violation'. 'The Great Mass' is masterpiece.
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