 Polaria
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29.04.2012 at 23:18
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I can tell you the term was not used in 1995 in the French metal press. I remember a review for the first album of Theatre of Tragedy describing it as "some kind of linear and lyrical doom" followed by "in a similar vein we would rather advise you the new album of the Gathering". The term started to be used around 1997-1998.
Now I do not know how the press outside France described those bands. The information was actually quite difficult to get, as there was no Internet yet.
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 Marcel Hubregtse
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29.04.2012 at 23:41
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Written by Polaria on 29.04.2012 at 23:18
I can tell you the term was not used in 1995 in the French metal press. I remember a review for the first album of Theatre of Tragedy describing it as "some kind of linear and lyrical doom" followed by "in a similar vein we would rather advise you the new album of the Gathering". The term started to be used around 1997-1998.
Now I do not know how the press outside France described those bands. The information was actually quite difficult to get, as there was no Internet yet.
In the Aardschok (Dutch metal press and Metldown/Watt as well even though they weren't around any mor ein 1995) the term Gothic Metal was used. Funny to see a difference between different countries/languages in that sense.
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 Mr. Blonde
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18.05.2012 at 00:13
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Voted for Paradise Lost. If' I'm mistaken in them being the most influential of the those 3, that is probably just due to my perspective and that everything is relevant to one's time and place when they first heard a band. I remember Paradise Lost in the 90's. Being all from the U.K. all 3 bands should have made their way to my ears in the U.S. But Paradise Lost was the only one that did at the time that I can recall. As for MDB and Anathema, while I like them too and feel that MDB probably had the strongest overall albums (Turn Loose the Swans, Angel & Dark River, etc...) the thing is I didn't know they existed back in the mid 90's when they were putting out some great material that I didn't discover for nearly another decade.
So album strength, I would say My Dying Bride. But in terms of "pioneering" and spreading their sound and influence globally, I picked PL.
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Dàibh
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22.05.2012 at 17:54
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My preference of the three for doom mongering is My Dying Bride...
...My favorite band of the three, generally, is Anathema.
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Dentura
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06.10.2012 at 01:02
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The band that I enjoy the most is Anathema, although I think Paradise Lost was more influential, and they are a close second. I also like My Dying Bride too.
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Aristarchos
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08.10.2012 at 18:26
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.04.2012 at 13:54
Written by JohnDoe on 30.01.2012 at 19:32
Written by BloodTears on 30.01.2012 at 19:02
When was Anathema gothic? I'm just wondering. Doom, sure but gothic I don't see it.
the roots of gothic metal are in doom so in the early days of gothic metal, the lines between the two genres were quite blurred, so...
wrong the roots of gothic metal are in gothic rock (bands such as The Children, The Southern Deathcult, Sisters Of Mercy) which had quite strong bonds with punk.
I would say that gothic metal evolved from death doom rather than from gothic rock. Although it has the name in common with gothic rock, I don't think it musically sounds the same, and I think that gothic metal isn't the same as gothic rock played heavy enough to be metal, rather a genre of it's own. I think that gothic metal mainly developed from Paradise Lost's "Gothic" album, which is more death doom metal than gothic rock. And a genre doesn't always have it's roots in only one genre, and some of the bands in gothic metal were also influenced by gothic rock, but I don't think that is the genre's main root.
Of the bands in the poll I would say that Paradise Lost definitely is the most influential of them, especially because their "Gothic" album. My favourite band of them I would say is Anathema, if only because of their brilliant "The Silent Enigma" album. I think they become relatively boring when they lost their weight, but I haven't been a big fan of Paradise Lost either. Their debut is my favourite. With My Dying Bride I think they have many great songs, but not any entire album that I love.
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Marcel Hubregtse
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08.10.2012 at 19:30
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Written by Aristarchos on 08.10.2012 at 18:26
I would say that gothic metal evolved from death doom rather than from gothic rock. Although it has the name in common with gothic rock, I don't think it musically sounds the same, and I think that gothic metal isn't the same as gothic rock played heavy enough to be metal, rather a genre of it's own. I think that gothic metal mainly developed from Paradise Lost's "Gothic" album...
which owes an incredible lot to Sisters Of Mercy. Even NIck said so at the time that the biggest influence for the Gothic album was Andrew Eldritch and his band SIsters Of Mercy
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Aristarchos
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09.10.2012 at 12:34
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 08.10.2012 at 19:30
which owes an incredible lot to Sisters Of Mercy. Even NIck said so at the time that the biggest influence for the Gothic album was Andrew Eldritch and his band SIsters Of Mercy
Yes, Sisters Of Mercy and gothic rock is one root of gothic metal, but I think it is wrong like you said that it is wrong to say that doom is a root for gothic metal. Let us just say that both are roots of the genre. And for a band like Theatre Of Tragedy who is usually considered gothic metal, I'm not sure how much they have in common with gothic rock.
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Branzig
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10.10.2012 at 20:45
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 Paradise Lost. Gothic. Mmmm
It's easily one of my favorite doom releases and I love the mixing and production. It also is the first album to really get me into doom...so it kinda holds a special place in my cold little heart.
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ToMegaTherion
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23.10.2012 at 16:13
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I'm not totally sure of the connection in this band battle other than they all have similar Death/Doom roots.... In which case, where is Katatonia. Honestly they would have my vote here with My Dying Bride a close second. Sadly Katatonia are not here and therefor my vote much then go to MDB.
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Marcel Hubregtse
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23.10.2012 at 17:04
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Written by ToMegaTherion on 23.10.2012 at 16:13
I'm not totally sure of the connection in this band battle other than they all have similar Death/Doom roots.... In which case, where is Katatonia. Honestly they would have my vote here with My Dying Bride a close second. Sadly Katatonia are not here and therefor my vote much then go to MDB.
Katatonia are not here because they were never part of the Peaceville Three, just Google that term 
It's a bit like complaining why Testament isn't in the Big Four Of Thrash 
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ToMegaTherion
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24.10.2012 at 13:59
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 23.10.2012 at 17:04
Written by ToMegaTherion on 23.10.2012 at 16:13
I'm not totally sure of the connection in this band battle other than they all have similar Death/Doom roots.... In which case, where is Katatonia. Honestly they would have my vote here with My Dying Bride a close second. Sadly Katatonia are not here and therefor my vote much then go to MDB.
Katatonia are not here because they were never part of the Peaceville Three, just Google that term
It's a bit like complaining why Testament isn't in the Big Four Of Thrash
that makes sense now 
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