Written by mz on 26.06.2014 at 01:53

Lulz man don't really know if you are serious. It has post element but it certainly is more rooted in atmospheric black metal.
I don't really know what to say about your "sources". If you think that youtube or band itself are relieable when it comes to classification of music, then keep thinking that this is post black.
some "sources" which don't think this is post black and are as relieable as the ones you posted:
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your argument is just as funny, if not more.

So, the fact that 6/8 reviewers (including the one on MS) consider this to be post-black means nothing at all. Makes me wonder what point you see in classification if the majority of perspectives doesn't define the genre. There's so much sludge (not to mention other post elements) in this album that you could cut it with a knife.

I'm with Joe when it comes to the post-black metal tag's usefulness, not that I care much for these little genre debates anymore. From what I can tell this ticks all the boxes for atmospheric black metal with a hint of shoegaze thrown in.

Written by Guest on 26.06.2014 at 01:58

Post-black metal, a fairly vague and useless term.

Last.fm is credible now? I see so many bands that couldn't possibly be considered post-black. It would be useful if people used it right.

Written by LeKiwi on 26.06.2014 at 02:02

Last.fm is credible now? I see so many bands that couldn't possibly be considered post-black. It would be useful if people used it right.

One could easily say that it would be useful if those reviews / the band used it right. Last.fm tags are counted from hundreds, maybe thousands of people, so seeing as your argument is based on numbers the sheer volume of Last.fm tags technically outweighs it (hence showing how it's kind of a useless and vague term).

Written by Guest on 26.06.2014 at 02:04

One could easily say that it would be useful if those reviews / the band used it right. Last.fm tags are counted from hundreds, maybe thousands of people, so seeing as your argument is based on numbers the sheer volume of Last.fm tags technically outweighs it (hence showing how it's kind of a useless and vague term).

Do you honestly believe that thousands of people believe Avril Lavigne is post-black? Let's be serious here

Written by LeKiwi on 26.06.2014 at 02:05

Do you honestly believe that thousands of people believe Avril Lavigne is post-black? Let's be serious here

Considering the mentality of Last.fm users it's entirely possible that joke got around to quite a huge number of people on there

Written by LeKiwi on 26.06.2014 at 02:01

Makes me wonder what point you see in classification if the majority of perspectives doesn't define the genre. There's so much sludge (not to mention other post elements) in this album that you could cut it with a knife.

remember all the discussion we had on my list and you wanted to classify blut aus nord and terra tenebrosa as progressive metal band, which no one else agrees with. Think about double standards and hypocrisy. The fact that some sources think this is post black just makes them less credible.
Moreover, this album has a lot more in common with atmospheric black metal. Why not cutting it with that knife, then?

Written by Guest on 26.06.2014 at 02:06

Considering the mentality of Last.fm users it's entirely possible that joke got around to quite a huge number of people on there

IMO, post-black has a very specific boundaries. There will always be several unique styles within a genre. For instance, two bands classified as MDM can differ immensely.

Written by LeKiwi on 26.06.2014 at 02:10

IMO, post-black has a very specific boundaries. There will always be several unique styles within a genre. For instance, two bands classified as MDM can differ immensely.

Cool, have fun visiting every tagger on last.fm who tagged a band wrong and telling them that.

Written by Guest on 26.06.2014 at 02:12

Cool, have fun visiting every tagger on last.fm who tagged a band wrong and telling them that.

It's Last.fm...no one needs to bother with it. This is Metalstorm, specialised in metal. Related genres should be well-defined here.

Written by LeKiwi on 26.06.2014 at 02:13

It's Last.fm...no one needs to bother with it. This is Metalstorm, specialised in metal. Related genres should be well-defined here.

Well defined according to how you think it should be defined.

Once again LeKiwi decides what a genre is based on his perception of it and disregards the perspectives of others.

Written by Guest on 26.06.2014 at 02:15

Well defined according to how you think it should be defined.

Fine, ignore what I said. Take the reviewers' perspectives. 6/8.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.06.2014 at 02:15

Once again LeKiwi decides what a genre is based on his perception of it and disregards the perspectives of others.

I actually have no strong opinion on the subject of post-black. I think it's a thing, but I don't use it too often. I kinda started this as a laugh / devil's advocate so I'll probably just leave it there now.

Written by LeKiwi on 26.06.2014 at 02:17

Fine, ignore what I said. Take the reviewers' perspectives. 6/8.

I love arbitrary numbers. They turn me on.

Written by mz on 26.06.2014 at 02:07

remember all the discussion we had on my list and you wanted to classify blut aus nord and terra tenebrosa as progressive metal band, which no one else agrees with. Think about double standards and hypocrisy.

uuuuumm.....go read your post written on 09.11.2013 at 14:22.

Written by Guest on 26.06.2014 at 02:18

I love arbitrary numbers. They turn me on.

Wouldn't you think, that after listening to plenty of post-black metal bands, the band should be able to clearly identify that they're playing in the same vein?

Quote from the band, "We are a Post-black metal band from Bordeaux, France."

Written by LeKiwi on 26.06.2014 at 02:21

Wouldn't you think, that after listening to plenty of post-black metal bands, the band should be able to clearly identify that they're playing in the same vein?

Quote from the band, "We are a Post-black metal band from Bordeaux, France."

Quote from me: "I stopped caring about 3 comments back"

Written by Guest on 26.06.2014 at 02:24

Quote from you.

Enough to show that that's a lie I'm done anyhow.

Written by LeKiwi on 26.06.2014 at 02:25

Enough to show that that's a lie I'm done anyhow.

Check my comment to Troy. I was just playing around with you but I forgot you like to push things to the bitter end. My mistake.

Written by Guest on 26.06.2014 at 02:26

Check my comment to Troy. I was just playing around with you but I forgot you like to push things to the bitter end. My mistake.

Of course I do; I take this seriously.

So... Isn't this album great or WHAT?

Yeah, let's talk about that instead, please?

I have no idea... Because I bought this album together with the debut and I still haven't given them a proper listening. I heard the debut once but only in the background whebn it got out and only heard like 2 tracks from this one. I should get my act together.

User below me: Please, DO NOT continue with the previous comment. I beg you.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 26.06.2014 at 02:31

I have no idea... Because I bought this album together with the debut and I still haven't given them a proper listening. I heard the debut once but only in the background whebn it got out and only heard like 2 tracks from this one. I should get my act together.

But....it's listed as one of your favourite bands...I'm confused

In any case, you should really listen to this. It's great.

Debut impressed me hugely, so I'm also gonna give this a listen.

You people are hilarious, though.

Written by Guest on 26.06.2014 at 03:25

Debut impressed me hugely, so I'm also gonna give this a listen.

If you liked the debut, you might like this one even more. It's more mature, as vague as it might sound, but it's the impression I get from it.

Written by LeKiwi on 26.06.2014 at 02:36

But....it's listed as one of your favourite bands...I'm confused
In any case, you should really listen to this. It's great.

Well, from the tracks I've heard I love it... Plus, I've seen them live and they truly shine on that light.

EDIT: Another reason is that, while I do enjoy everything on my fav band list, Some bands I know less than others. Some of them are there because I want to get notifications if there are any news about them. So while my fav band list does show my tastes, I also use it as a tool to keep me informed. I do the same on FB.

Written by Ilham on 26.06.2014 at 03:34

If you liked the debut, you might like this one even more. It's more mature, as vague as it might sound, but it's the impression I get from it.

Man, I'm probably gonna have to listen to both of them again. They're bordering about equal.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.06.2014 at 02:02

I'm with Joe when it comes to the post-black metal tag's usefulness, not that I care much for these little genre debates anymore. From what I can tell this ticks all the boxes for atmospheric black metal with a hint of shoegaze thrown in.

Agreed. I don't see why people will so adamantly argue an arbitrary classification which does absolutely nothing in regards to one's actual enjoyment of the album or experience.

Written by Alex F on 26.06.2014 at 22:16

Agreed. I don't see why people will so adamantly argue an arbitrary classification which does absolutely nothing in regards to one's actual enjoyment of the album or experience.

Genre debates can be fun, but sometimes people go out of there way to prove their point by any bizarre, erroneous or indeed arbitrary means, instead of just discussing things in a pleasant way and subjective way.

I can't wait to listen to both albums in one sitting to figure out where the fuck I can find sludge because that was the last thing I heard when I saw them live.