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deadone
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  24.03.2014 at 07:16
Just checking out the various MS Top 1000 album vcharts and came across the one for Death Metal.

http://metalstorm.net/bands/albums_top.php?album_style=Death

It's quite bizarre in that there is not much Death Metal in it. especially the top 20 which is nearly all "melodic" DM and very often without much Death Metal in it (e.g. Death's Symbolic or Diaawxriob).

Meanwhile Cannibal Corpse, Possessed or even Death's Scream Bloody Gore and Leprosy don't even appear?!?



I take it MSers don't really like "pure" Death Metal that much?!? Or is the list function simply quite useless?



http://metalstorm.net/bands/albums_top.php?album_style=Death


1. Death Symbolic (1995) 9.10 | 1496
2. Edge Of Sanity Crimson (1996) 9.09 | 548
3. Garden Of Shadows Oracle Moon (2000) 8.97 | 36
4. Dissection Storm Of The Light's Bane (1995) 8.93 | 735
5. Be'lakor Stone's Reach (2009) 8.87 | 747
6. Septicflesh Communion (2008) 8.87 | 686
7. Death Human (1991) 8.86 | 1041
8. Lykathé Elvenefris (2000) 8.85 | 117
9. Words Of Farewell The Black Wild Yonder (2014) 8.83 | 23
10. Persefone Core (2006) 8.83 | 127
11. Insomnium Above The Weeping World (2006) 8.81 | 596
12. The Morningside The Wind, The Trees And The Shadows Of The Past (2007) 8.78 | 36
13. Mechina Conqueror (2011) 8.78 | 36
14. Death Individual Thought Patterns (1993) 8.78 | 959
15. Morbid Angel Altars Of Madness (1989) 8.78 | 634
16. Dismember Like An Ever Flowing Stream (1991) 8.78 | 209
17. Dawn (SWE) Slaughtersun (Crown Of The Triarchy) (1998) 8.77 | 30
18. Dies Irae Sculpture Of Stone (2004) 8.77 | 26
19. Amorphis Tales From The Thousand Lakes (1994) 8.76 | 656
20. Dominia Divine Revolution (2006) 8.76 | 72
21. Amon Amarth With Oden On Our Side (2006) 8.76 | 1392
22. Quo Vadis Day Into Night (2000) 8.74 | 123
23. Morgion Solinari (1999) 8.74 | 31
24. Gojira From Mars To Sirius (2005) 8.73 | 627
25. Dead Congregation Graves Of The Archangels (2008) 8.71 | 38
26. Nocturnus AD The Key (1990) 8.70 | 132
27. Atheist Unquestionable Presence (1991) 8.70 | 365
28. Carcass Heartwork (1993) 8.70 | 727
29. Quo Vadis Defiant Imagination (2004) 8.70 | 170
30. Cynic Focus (1993) 8.70 | 510
31. Necrophobic The Nocturnal Silence (1993) 8.69 | 52
32. Edge Of Sanity Crimson II (2003) 8.69 | 304
33. Eternal Tears Of Sorrow A Virgin And A Whore (2001) 8.69 | 412
34. Avulsed Yearning For The Grotesque (2003) 8.69 | 29
35. Bolt Thrower ...For Victory (1994) 8.69 | 199
36. Sceptic Pathetic Being (2001) 8.68 | 28
37. Disincarnate Dreams Of The Carrion Kind (1993) 8.68 | 25
38. Sacramentum Far Away From The Sun (1996) 8.67 | 48
39. Immolation Close To A World Below (2000) 8.67 | 147
40. Illogicist The Insight Eye (2007) 8.67 | 21
41. In Mourning Shrouded Divine (2008) 8.67 | 335
42. Demigod Slumber Of Sullen Eyes (1992) 8.67 | 39
43. Evoken Quietus (2001) 8.67 | 86
44. Entombed Left Hand Path (1990) 8.66 | 298
45. Bolt Thrower Those Once Loyal (2005) 8.66 | 313
46. Pestilence Testimony Of The Ancients (1991) 8.66 | 163
47. Mercenary 11 Dreams (2004) 8.66 | 163
48. Suffocation Pierced From Within (1995) 8.66 | 239
49. Criminal Sicario (2005) 8.66 | 29
50. Dissection The Somberlain (1993) 8.65 | 386
51. Noumena Absence (2005) 8.65 | 117
52. Bloodbath Nightmares Made Flesh (2004) 8.65 | 515
53. Dark Lunacy Forget-Me-Not (2003) 8.65 | 74
54. In Vain The Latter Rain (2007) 8.65 | 88
55. Desultory Bitterness (1994) 8.65 | 20
56. Carcass Necroticism: Descanting The Insalubrious (1991) 8.65 | 454
57. Incantation Diabolical Conquest (1998) 8.64 | 45
58. Amon Amarth Twilight Of The Thunder God (2008) 8.64 | 1451
59. Nile Annihilation Of The Wicked (2005) 8.64 | 626
60. Septicflesh Sumerian Daemons (2003) 8.64 | 361
61. Omnium Gatherum New World Shadows (2011) 8.64 | 568
62. Dawn Of Tears Descent (2007) 8.64 | 66
63. Cryptopsy None So Vile (1996) 8.64 | 322
64. Obituary Cause Of Death (1990) 8.64 | 338
65. Yyrkoon Occult Medicine (2004) 8.64 | 44
66. Morbid Angel Covenant (1993) 8.63 | 476
67. Septicflesh The Great Mass (2011) 8.63 | 874
68. Neurotech Antagonist (2011) 8.62 | 82
69. Avulsed Stabwound Orgasm (1999) 8.62 | 24
70. Suffocation Effigy Of The Forgotten (1991) 8.62 | 233
71. Hollenthon With Vilest Of Worms To Dwell (2001) 8.62 | 125
72. Kalmah Swampsong (2003) 8.62 | 391
73. Necrophagist Epitaph (2004) 8.62 | 358
74. Deicide Deicide (1990) 8.62 | 299
75. Unmoored Indefinite Soul-Extension (2003) 8.62 | 24
76. Inborn Suffering Wordless Hope (2006) 8.62 | 34
77. Vader De Profundis (1995) 8.62 | 188
78. Kalisia Cybion (2009) 8.61 | 412
79. Decapitated Winds Of Creation (2000) 8.61 | 238
80. Psycroptic The Scepter Of The Ancients (2003) 8.61 | 93
81. Asphyx Last One On Earth (1992) 8.61 | 104
82. Benighted Icon (2007) 8.61 | 137
83. Arsis A Celebration Of Guilt (2004) 8.61 | 162
84. Deicide Legion (1992) 8.60 | 266
85. Kalmah Swamplord (2000) 8.60 | 388
86. Rapture Songs For The Withering (2002) 8.60 | 113
87. Vader Litany (2000) 8.60 | 276
88. Akercocke Words That Go Unspoken, Deeds That Go Undone (2005) 8.60 | 173
89. Evoken Antithesis Of Light (2005) 8.60 | 126
90. Deceased As The Weird Travel On (2005) 8.60 | 30
91. Vital Remains Dechristianize (2003) 8.60 | 167
92. Rapture Futile (1999) 8.60 | 114
93. Obscura Cosmogenesis (2009) 8.59 | 449
94. Malevolent Creation The Ten Commandments (1991) 8.59 | 98
95. Vader Impressions In Blood (2006) 8.59 | 276
96. Sinister Cross The Styx (1992) 8.59 | 54
97. Beyond Creation The Aura (2011) 8.59 | 168
98. Insomnium Since The Day It All Came Down (2004) 8.59 | 401
99. Hands Of Despair Hereafter (2011) 8.58 | 26
100. Monstrosity Millennium (1996) 8.58 | 52



Filtering to include all albums with >400 votes net similar results :

1 Amon Amarth - Deceiver Of The Gods 2013 Studio Melodic Death 8.1 433 - - 14
2 Amorphis - Circle 2013 Studio Folk
Progressive
Melodic Death 8.4 418 1 - 12
3 Omnium Gatherum - Beyond 2013 Studio Melodic Death 8.5 491 2 - 10
4 Gojira - L'Enfant Sauvage 2012 Studio Progressive Death 8.2 419 2 - 13
5 Be'lakor - Of Breath And Bone 2012 Studio Melodic Death 8.6 756 1 - 7
6 Insomnium - One For Sorrow 2011 Studio Melodic Death 8.6 619 2 - 11
7 Fleshgod Apocalypse - Agony 2011 Studio Brutal Death
Symphonic 8.4 442 1 - 10
8 Amorphis - The Beginning Of Times 2011 Studio Folk
Progressive
Melodic Death 8.1 528 1 - 13
9 Septicflesh - The Great Mass 2011 Studio Atmospheric Death
Extreme Symphonic 8.6 874 1 - 10
10 Obscura - Omnivium 2011 Studio Technical Death 8.5 510 1 - 9
11 Amon Amarth - Surtur Rising 2011 Studio Melodic Death 8.2 846 1 - 10
12 Omnium Gatherum - New World Shadows 2011 Studio Melodic Death 8.6 568 1 - 9
13 Nile - Those Whom The Gods Detest 2009 Studio Technical Death 8.5 493 1 - 10
14 Insomnium - Across The Dark 2009 Studio Melodic Death 8.5 514 1 - 10
15 Behemoth - Evangelion 2009 Studio Death 8.3 656 1 - 9
16 Be'lakor - Stone's Reach 2009 Studio Melodic Death 8.9 747 2 - 7
17 Amorphis - Skyforger 2009 Studio Folk
Progressive
Melodic Death 8.5 751 1 - 12
18 Obscura - Cosmogenesis 2009 Studio Technical Death 8.6 449 1 - 10
19 Kalisia - Cybion 2009 Studio Progressive Death 8.6 412 1 - 27
20 Gojira - The Way Of All Flesh 2008 Studio Progressive Death 8.5 471 1 - 12
21 Amon Amarth - Twilight Of The Thunder God 2008 Studio Melodic Death 8.6 1451 2 - 10
22 Septicflesh - Communion 2008 Studio Atmospheric Death 8.9 686 1 - 9
23 Amorphis - Silent Waters 2007 Studio Folk
Progressive
Melodic Death 8.6 613 1 - 11
24 Behemoth - The Apostasy 2007 Studio Death 8.4 637 1 - 11
25 Nile - Ithyphallic 2007 Studio Technical Death 8 447 1 - 12
26 Amon Amarth - With Oden On Our Side 2006 Studio Melodic Death 8.8 1392 1 - 9
27 Insomnium - Above The Weeping World 2006 Studio Melodic Death 8.8 596 1 - 12
28 Kalmah - The Black Waltz 2006 Studio Extreme Power
Melodic Death 8.6 434 2 - 10
29 Amorphis - Eclipse 2006 Studio Folk
Progressive
Melodic Death 8.5 594 1 - 11
30 Gojira - From Mars To Sirius 2005 Studio Progressive Death 8.7 627 1 - 11
31 Hypocrisy - Virus 2005 Studio Melodic Death 8.6 405 1 - 12
32 Nile - Annihilation Of The Wicked 2005 Studio Technical Death 8.6 626 2 - 10
33 Behemoth - Demigod 2004 Studio Death 8.6 724 2 - 10
34 Bloodbath - Nightmares Made Flesh 2004 Studio Death 8.7 515 1 - 12
35 Amon Amarth - Fate Of Norns 2004 Studio Melodic Death 8.2 800 1 - 8
36 Insomnium - Since The Day It All Came Down 2004 Studio Melodic Death 8.6 401 1 - 9
37 Amon Amarth - Versus The World 2002 Studio Melodic Death 8.5 861 1 - 10
38 Bloodbath - Resurrection Through Carnage 2002 Studio Death 8.5 416 1 - 10
39 Behemoth - Zos Kia Cultus (Here And Beyond) 2002 Studio Blackened Death 8.4 416 1 - 12
40 Nile - In Their Darkened Shrines 2002 Studio Technical Death 8.5 431 2 - 12
41 Amon Amarth - The Crusher 2001 Studio Melodic Death 7.7 485 - - 9
42 Eternal Tears Of Sorrow - A Virgin And A Whore 2001 Studio Extreme Power
Melodic Death 8.7 412 - - 10
43 Amon Amarth - The Avenger 1999 Studio Melodic Death 7.9 491 1 - 7
44 Amon Amarth - Once Sent From The Golden Hall 1998 Studio Melodic Death 8.1 506 1 - 8
45 Amorphis - Elegy 1996 Studio Melodic Death
Folk
Progressive 8.5 430 1 - 11
46 Edge Of Sanity - Crimson 1996 Studio Progressive Death 9.1 548 1 - 1
47 Dissection - Storm Of The Light's Bane 1995 Studio Melodic Death
Melodic Black 8.9 735 1 - 8
48 Death - Symbolic 1995 Studio Progressive Death
Progressive Thrash 9.1 1496 2 - 9
49 Amorphis - Tales From The Thousand Lakes 1994 Studio Melodic Death
Folk
Progressive 8.8 656 1 -
Troy Killjoy
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  24.03.2014 at 07:55
Kind of a pointless topic (that has been opened and locked before). The charts aren't perfect and won't reflect your personal tastes. They'll also include a myriad of "interesting" albums seeing as how death metal includes tech death, prog death, melodeath, and blackened death. And without specifying a year or decade, you're going to get a lot less traditional/"classic" stuff.
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deadone
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  24.03.2014 at 08:07
Written by Troy Killjoy on 24.03.2014 at 07:55

Kind of a pointless topic (that has been opened and locked before). The charts aren't perfect and won't reflect your personal tastes. They'll also include a myriad of "interesting" albums seeing as how death metal includes tech death, prog death, melodeath, and blackened death. And without specifying a year or decade, you're going to get a lot less traditional/"classic" stuff.



It's interesting though that most albums in the list are the non pure variety.

I probably listen to more melodic DM than pure DM, so it's not a criticism but rather just an observation.

I don't think the more abrasive forms of DM are appealing to most people.
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  24.03.2014 at 09:48
Well we live in a time where there's I don't know how many subgenres there is of death metal, so it wasn't very shocking. Don't think this means that MSers doesn't like the traditional death metal though, I'm sure there's many in here who listen to it!
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  24.03.2014 at 10:04
Bit hard to say members here don't like death metal when it was the 4th most voted genre in the awards (ahead of black, power, thrash. folk & doom), although melodeath was the 2nd most voted, so maybe melodeath is more popular than death (unless you reckon about 300 of it's votes were for extreme power). But it's still more liked than a lot of other genres.
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  24.03.2014 at 11:39
Deadone is right. Most MSérs really don't like the pure form of death metal. Most MS'ers prefer watered down versions of death metal or the overly synthetically overproduced ones.
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  24.03.2014 at 12:33
Still wasn't worth opening a thread for to reveal the obvious: that people like more melodic stuff.

Furthermore, not sure how anyone could look at that list and come to the conclusion that there's "not much death metal in it"

Even stripping away anything that has a semblance of other influence, but would still be considered death metal (Akercocke, Benighted, Lykathea Aflame, Carcass, Atheist etc.) as well as all the tech-oriented death metal bands, you still get around 40 "pure" death metal albums. Depends how far you want to take the purification process but to my mind these could all only be called "death metal"

07. Death Human (1991) 8.86 | 1041
14. Death Individual Thought Patterns (1993) 8.78 | 959
15. Morbid Angel Altars Of Madness (1989) 8.78 | 634
16. Dismember Like An Ever Flowing Stream (1991) 8.78 | 209
18. Dies Irae Sculpture Of Stone (2004) 8.77 | 26
25. Dead Congregation Graves Of The Archangels (2008) 8.71 | 38
26. Nocturnus AD The Key (1990) 8.70 | 132
31. Necrophobic The Nocturnal Silence (1993) 8.69 | 52
34. Avulsed Yearning For The Grotesque (2003) 8.69 | 29
35. Bolt Thrower ...For Victory (1994) 8.69 | 199
37. Disincarnate Dreams Of The Carrion Kind (1993) 8.68 | 25
39. Immolation Close To A World Below (2000) 8.67 | 147
42. Demigod Slumber Of Sullen Eyes (1992) 8.67 | 39
44. Entombed Left Hand Path (1990) 8.66 | 298
45. Bolt Thrower Those Once Loyal (2005) 8.66 | 313
46. Pestilence Testimony Of The Ancients (1991) 8.66 | 163
48. Suffocation Pierced From Within (1995) 8.66 | 239
52. Bloodbath Nightmares Made Flesh (2004) 8.65 | 515
55. Desultory Bitterness (1994) 8.65 | 20
57. Incantation Diabolical Conquest (1998) 8.64 | 45
59. Nile Annihilation Of The Wicked (2005) 8.64 | 626
63. Cryptopsy None So Vile (1996) 8.64 | 322
64. Obituary Cause Of Death (1990) 8.64 | 338
66. Morbid Angel Covenant (1993) 8.63 | 476
69. Avulsed Stabwound Orgasm (1999) 8.62 | 24
70. Suffocation Effigy Of The Forgotten (1991) 8.62 | 233
74. Deicide Deicide (1990) 8.62 | 299
77. Vader De Profundis (1995) 8.62 | 188
79. Decapitated Winds Of Creation (2000) 8.61 | 238
81. Asphyx Last One On Earth (1992) 8.61 | 104
84. Deicide Legion (1992) 8.60 | 266
87. Vader Litany (2000) 8.60 | 276
91. Vital Remains Dechristianize (2003) 8.60 | 167
94. Malevolent Creation The Ten Commandments (1991) 8.59 | 98
95. Vader Impressions In Blood (2006) 8.59 | 276
96. Sinister Cross The Styx (1992) 8.59 | 54
100. Monstrosity Millennium (1996) 8.58 | 52

If you were to add in those bands with a little black, thrash, grind, jazz, melodic and prog etc. but are still clearly primarily death metal it would take it close to 50 bands:

02. Edge Of Sanity Crimson (1996) 9.09 | 548
08. Lykathé Elvenefris (2000) 8.85 | 117
27. Atheist Unquestionable Presence (1991) 8.70 | 365
30. Cynic Focus (1993) 8.70 | 510
36. Sceptic Pathetic Being (2001) 8.68 | 28
56. Carcass Necroticism: Descanting The Insalubrious (1991) 8.65 | 454
57. Incantation Diabolical Conquest (1998) 8.64 | 45
82. Benighted Icon (2007) 8.61 | 137
88. Akercocke Words That Go Unspoken, Deeds That Go Undone (2005) 8.60 | 173

(For example if someone announced these bands as some of their favourites I doubt they would get accused of not liking death metal, even by purists)

When you take into account 25+ years of death metal evolution that list looks pretty standard and normal to me. I don't see why someone has to like only death metal that's 100% pure to be considered someone who likes death metal. I consider myself a huge death metal fan but I prefer the genre when it's interesting and creative (and by that I don't mean shiny tech-death).
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  24.03.2014 at 13:41
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.03.2014 at 11:39

Deadone is right. Most MSérs really don't like the pure form of death metal. Most MS'ers prefer watered down versions of death metal or the overly synthetically overproduced ones.

Or versions with horrendous vocals *cough cough* Sound Of Perseverance *cough*
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  24.03.2014 at 13:43
Written by Alex Fenger on 24.03.2014 at 13:41

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.03.2014 at 11:39

Deadone is right. Most MSérs really don't like the pure form of death metal. Most MS'ers prefer watered down versions of death metal or the overly synthetically overproduced ones.

Or versions with horrendous vocals *cough cough* Sound Of Perseverance *cough*


That album has nothing to do with death metal whatsoever
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  24.03.2014 at 13:47
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.03.2014 at 13:43

That album has nothing to do with death metal whatsoever

Ah you're right...my point still stands.
I do find this topic a tad superfluous. As both Joe and Marcel stated, it should come as no surprise that the majority of people prefer the less extreme variants of metal. When it comes to death metal, the "pure" kind is typically of the less melodic form, so less people are going to enjoy it.
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  24.03.2014 at 16:13
I would argue the majority of people who listen to death metal prefer its more accessible variants, not just Metal Storm users. The same thing typically applies to most forms of music. Accessibility is practically mutually exclusive with popularity.
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  24.03.2014 at 18:27
It applies to that old school/new school thread we (unfortunately still) have. People for weird reason still revere the old school and detest the new school, even when the new school are simply doing it better (bar notable exceptions). The only people who seem to have a problem with it are people who suffer from a severe case of Old Man Syndrome (i.e. Marcel and deadone). I don't get why people rant about today's death being "overproduced." I'll take the overproduced over the stale, underproduced so-called classics like Dismember, Cancer, Monstrosity, Brutality, Pestilence, etc.
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  24.03.2014 at 18:34
Written by Lit. on 24.03.2014 at 18:27
But seriously, who keeps letting this guy make useless threads?


His threads keep staying alive because it drags people like you into it and creates a discussion
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  24.03.2014 at 23:24
Written by Lit. on 24.03.2014 at 18:27

But seriously, who keeps letting this guy make useless threads?

Hey what's the problem of his topics? I personally do not agree with most of his arguments, but they do not do any harm either.
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  24.03.2014 at 23:58
Written by Lit. on 24.03.2014 at 18:27

It applies to that old school/new school thread we (unfortunately still) have. People for weird reason still revere the old school and detest the new school, even when the new school are simply doing it better (bar notable exceptions). The only people who seem to have a problem with it are people who suffer from a severe case of Old Man Syndrome (i.e. Marcel and deadone).

...so true
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  25.03.2014 at 00:04
^Agreed. I don't think threads are "useful" or "useless". There are the ones you care about and the ones you don't. If there is one that not a single one is interested in then one can argue it's an useless topic. But in that case there would be no reply, don't you think?
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  25.03.2014 at 00:05
Written by Fallen Ghost on 24.03.2014 at 18:34

Written by Lit. on 24.03.2014 at 18:27
But seriously, who keeps letting this guy make useless threads?


His threads keep staying alive because it drags people like you into it and creates a discussion


lit has deadones avatar and posts printed and plastered all over on his bedroom walls, all of them with big crosses drawn on them and knives stabbed into them. Also a deadone doll covered in pins.
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  25.03.2014 at 00:14
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 24.03.2014 at 12:33

Still wasn't worth opening a thread for to reveal the obvious: that people like more melodic stuff.

Furthermore, not sure how anyone could look at that list and come to the conclusion that there's "not much death metal in it"

Even stripping away anything that has a semblance of other influence, but would still be considered death metal (Akercocke, Benighted, Lykathea Aflame, Carcass, Atheist etc.) as well as all the tech-oriented death metal bands, you still get around 40 "pure" death metal albums. Depends how far you want to take the purification process but to my mind these could all only be called "death metal"


37/100 is pretty poor though!

And even close to 50/100 is pretty poor.

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When you take into account 25+ years of death metal evolution that list looks pretty standard and normal to me. I don't see why someone has to like only death metal that's 100% pure to be considered someone who likes death metal. I consider myself a huge death metal fan but I prefer the genre when it's interesting and creative (and by that I don't mean shiny tech-death).


I agree with this too.

To me it's strange that DM doesn't attract more "Pure" stuff though. In real life I've known more guys into pure DM than any other genre other than Nu-Metal and Metalcore. They generally don't listen to melodic DM, folk DM etc (but did listen to Thrash, Doom, Black etc).


But then is MS more geared towards the melodic, progressive, thrash etc?


If you look at my Top 20 DM albums list, there's plenty of nonpure stuff there - Atheist, Edge of Sanity, Ghoul, Pestillence, groovier Morbid Angel etc etc http://metalstorm.net/users/list.php?list_id=3413
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  25.03.2014 at 00:17
Written by no one on 25.03.2014 at 00:05

lit has deadones avatar and posts printed and plastered all over on his bedroom walls, all of them with big crosses drawn on them and knives stabbed into them. Also a deadone doll covered in pins.

You don't think I limit myself to just him, do you?
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  25.03.2014 at 00:32
As for pointless topics, everything on this and every other forum on the net is inherently useless for the most part.


They're entertainment and that's it.



Written by no one on 25.03.2014 at 00:05

Written by Fallen Ghost on 24.03.2014 at 18:34

Written by Lit. on 24.03.2014 at 18:27
But seriously, who keeps letting this guy make useless threads?


His threads keep staying alive because it drags people like you into it and creates a discussion


lit has deadones avatar and posts printed and plastered all over on his bedroom walls, all of them with big crosses drawn on them and knives stabbed into them. Also a deadone doll covered in pins.


Nice to know I give him something to rage wank over.
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  25.03.2014 at 00:46
At any rate, I deleted the line, now you guys can go back to whatever sorry topic this is.
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  25.03.2014 at 06:30
I prefer the more extreme versions(isn't all death metal extreme?) and classic death metal more than the melodic stuff. And as for Sound of Perseverance, its an awful album I think. But as far as people I know, most prefer the less "extreme" death metal or no death metal at all.
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  25.03.2014 at 17:08
Written by deadone on 25.03.2014 at 00:14

37/100 is pretty poor though! / And even close to 50/100 is pretty poor.


50% of all highest rated death-related records being ones that are or closely resemble what death metal was originally about and generally from a period of 20 or more years ago? I'd say that's pretty damn good to be honest. Basically "pure" death metal has a higher ratio compared to all other varieties combined.

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I agree with this too.

To me it's strange that DM doesn't attract more "Pure" stuff though. In real life I've known more guys into pure DM than any other genre other than Nu-Metal and Metalcore. They generally don't listen to melodic DM, folk DM etc (but did listen to Thrash, Doom, Black etc).


Well there's currently a huge movement of revivalist OSDM that pays homage to more pure death metal so it's clearly doing quite well, and generally better received critically than the revivalist thrash counterpart. You may not always enjoy the likes of Grave MIasma, Cruciamentum, Disma, Hail of Bullets, stuff on Nuclear War Now, Invictus Productions labels etc. and the like but they're often regarded as being much more in the spirit of what death metal was originally about than anything else currently being released.

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But then is MS more geared towards the melodic, progressive, thrash etc?


Popularity is always geared toward to the melodic and conventional. This will always be the case with MS and anything else that offers a mixture of sounds and styles.

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As for pointless topics, everything on this and every other forum on the net is inherently useless for the most part.


It's not that it's a pointless question but one not really worth opening a thread up for. Could have gone in many other death metal threads. Especially as the numbers kind of show that people do listen to, and rate highly, death metal albums so the point was somewhat moot from the beginning.
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  25.03.2014 at 23:27
A large reason for the top 100 lists is to introduce newcomers to explore genres. When I first started listening to DM several years ago, it was a huge help towards finding ''gateway'' bands. A lot of those included more melodic acts like Quo Vadis and Death's later albums; I only started liking more aggressive stuff afterwards.

Also, whether they're 'pure' or not is irrelevant IMO. I'd rather have a varied list showing what the genre has to offer, rather than focusing on a certain style(s).
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  26.03.2014 at 00:30
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 25.03.2014 at 17:08

Well there's currently a huge movement of revivalist OSDM that pays homage to more pure death metal so it's clearly doing quite well, and generally better received critically than the revivalist thrash counterpart. You may not always enjoy the likes of Grave MIasma, Cruciamentum, Disma, Hail of Bullets, stuff on Nuclear War Now, Invictus Productions labels etc. and the like but they're often regarded as being much more in the spirit of what death metal was originally about than anything else currently being released.


Out of those I've only ever heard of Hail of Bullets, who I want to love but I just can't get into.


There's always a lot of underground DM that basically harkens to old school DM and a lot are basically following on mainly in the Cannibal Corpse and Suffocation schools of DM.

However this is for true connoisseurs and there's a lot of shit in there. I used to know a fellow who ran a distro label for these and got to hear lots of it. Part of the reason I burned out on the underground.

And even the good stuff doesn't get mainstream attraction (by mainstream I'm referring to the Terrorizers and Zero Tolerance level mainstream).

The mainstream doesn't go for DM unless it's wierd these days or pure nostalgia.
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  26.03.2014 at 11:51
You could probably make the same argument with some of the other top-of-genre lists.
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  26.03.2014 at 13:37
Written by deadone on 26.03.2014 at 00:30

Out of those I've only ever heard of Hail of Bullets, who I want to love but I just can't get into.
There's always a lot of underground DM that basically harkens to old school DM and a lot are basically following on mainly in the Cannibal Corpse and Suffocation schools of DM.
However this is for true connoisseurs and there's a lot of shit in there. I used to know a fellow who ran a distro label for these and got to hear lots of it. Part of the reason I burned out on the underground.
And even the good stuff doesn't get mainstream attraction (by mainstream I'm referring to the Terrorizers and Zero Tolerance level mainstream).

If your argument is people don't like death metal because it doesn't reach the mainstream then I'm not really sure what to say. As MC Vice says, that could apply to any and all genres within metal to a variety of extents. You could argue that people don't like thrash any more because there hasn't been any bands as big as the original big four.

In reality death metal is one of the most popular metal subgenres. More popular than black, doom and progressive metal (arguably) I would say, as evident by the fact there are so many of them, get more fans, bigger venues, listeners on last.fm / likes on facebook etc.

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The mainstream doesn't go for DM unless it's wierd these days or pure nostalgia.


This is what confuses me. What other kind is there? There's old bands and bands that ape them, and then there's bands that build on death metal foundations with something else, ostensibly "weird" or "non-pure" bands. It feels like there's a hitherto unidentified area of death metal that doesn't get mainstream attention, and that's what this thread is about and the reason why you think people don't like death metal. I don't know what this is though. I read Zero Tolerance on a regular basis and it reviews just about every form of death metal known to man, and interviews many of them too. I'm not sure what kind of good death metal is not reaching them.
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  27.03.2014 at 00:04
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 26.03.2014 at 13:37


In reality death metal is one of the most popular metal subgenres. More popular than black, doom and progressive metal (arguably) I would say, as evident by the fact there are so many of them, get more fans, bigger venues, listeners on last.fm / likes on facebook etc.



I was merely making an observation that pure DM isn't popular in Metal Storm land.

As stated, in real life I knew more people who were into DM than any other genre other than Metalcore and NuMetal. Nearly all the local bands were DM bands (that includes Psycroptic who are pure DM, albeit technically minded).

By the way, I don't view technicaliy or brutality as divergences from pure DM. They're just different approaches to the same thing (much like Anthrax and Slayer have different approaches to Thrash).


By nonpure I mean all the bands that add folk, progressive, emphasis on melody and basically get away from extreme core of pure DM.



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This is what confuses me. What other kind is there? There's old bands and bands that ape them, and then there's bands that build on death metal foundations with something else, ostensibly "weird" or "non-pure" bands. It feels like there's a hitherto unidentified area of death metal that doesn't get mainstream attention, and that's what this thread is about and the reason why you think people don't like death metal. I don't know what this is though. I read Zero Tolerance on a regular basis and it reviews just about every form of death metal known to man, and interviews many of them too. I'm not sure what kind of good death metal is not reaching them.



Actually this thread is about MSers not liking pure DM.

As for other types of DM, the more extreme stuff does have some nuggets of gold/silver that probably should get some more press. Nunslaughter, Ghoul and in the past Pungent Stench represents decent/good DM that even extreme mags tended to avoid other than single paragraph reviews.




As for ZT and Terrorizer they both review most forms of DM. However DM bands seldom get albums of the month or a lot of main article coverage unless they're bigger names.

You can see from the front covers alone - only big DM bands get front cover.

http://www.ztmag.com/archives.html
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  27.03.2014 at 00:16
Written by deadone on 27.03.2014 at 00:04

I was merely making an observation that pure DM isn't popular in Metal Storm land.


The numbers kind of suggest that's not the case being that "pure" death metal dominates above all the other types.

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As stated, in real life I knew more people who were into DM than any other genre other than Metalcore and NuMetal. Nearly all the local bands were DM bands (that includes Psycroptic who are pure DM, albeit technically minded).


I don't really think anecdotal evidence means anything in this case. You just happen to know a group of people that like death metal. That's hardly a representative slice of reality.

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By the way, I don't view technicaliy or brutality as divergences from pure DM. They're just different approaches to the same thing (much like Anthrax and Slayer have different approaches to Thrash).


Brutal death metal I suppose I kind of regard in a similar light as standard death metal. Tech-death though to me has always had more in common with progressive metal than death metal. It's basically extreme prog with death growls. They tend to be devoid of any classic death metal riffs.

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Actually this thread is about MSers not liking pure DM.


Still not seeing any evidence of that though

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As for other types of DM, the more extreme stuff does have some nuggets of gold/silver that probably should get some more press. Nunslaughter, Ghoul and in the past Pungent Stench represents decent/good DM that even extreme mags tended to avoid other than single paragraph reviews.


Nunslaughter are fucking awful =P they've also had quite a lot of press attention and hype in recent times (far more than they deserve imo).


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As for ZT and Terrorizer they both review most forms of DM. However DM bands seldom get albums of the month or a lot of main article coverage unless they're bigger names. / You can see from the front covers alone - only big DM bands get front cover.


Again, standard procedure for any type of metal, not just death metal. Bands and albums tend to need at least some level of popularity before they start getting more coverage. It makes no sense to give a multi-page spread to a new death metal band with one EP and relegate Gorguts to a column with a couple of hundred words. This has nothing to do with people not listening to or liking certain brands of death metal, it's because said bands haven't accumulated enough of a fan base already. It's a marketing game in the end.
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  27.03.2014 at 00:55
Let's not forget the fact that this is METAL Storm, not DEATH METAL Storm. So we cater to metalheads of all walks of life, from the guys who like the most extreme all the way to the people who prefer the sugar-coated stuff, and from the completely dedicated metalheads to the casual listeners.

Inherently the masses always prefer more accessible, melodic forms of music. That's why things like pop, rock, hip hop, rap, electro, etc dominates the mainstream media while metal (in all forms) is generally overlooked/ignored. That fact also holds true within the Metal community.

Also, as Joe pointed out, the single genre of pure death metal is at 50 vs the other 50% being comprised of the multitude of all of the offshoots/subgenres of pure death metal. I'm going to have to agree with him that your own post points out how wrong you are in claiming that Stormtroopers don't prefer pure death metal.
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