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Posted by deadone on 24.03.2014 at 07:16
Just checking out the various MS Top 1000 album vcharts and came across the one for Death Metal.

http://metalstorm.net/bands/albums_top.php?album_style=Death

It's quite bizarre in that there is not much Death Metal in it. especially the top 20 which is nearly all "melodic" DM and very often without much Death Metal in it (e.g. Death's Symbolic or Diaawxriob).

Meanwhile Cannibal Corpse, Possessed or even Death's Scream Bloody Gore and Leprosy don't even appear?!?



I take it MSers don't really like "pure" Death Metal that much?!? Or is the list function simply quite useless?



http://metalstorm.net/bands/albums_top.php?album_style=Death


1. Death Symbolic (1995) 9.10 | 1496
2. Edge Of Sanity Crimson (1996) 9.09 | 548
3. Garden Of Shadows Oracle Moon (2000) 8.97 | 36
4. Dissection Storm Of The Light's Bane (1995) 8.93 | 735
5. Be'lakor Stone's Reach (2009) 8.87 | 747
6. Septicflesh Communion (2008) 8.87 | 686
7. Death Human (1991) 8.86 | 1041
8. Lykathé Elvenefris (2000) 8.85 | 117
9. Words Of Farewell The Black Wild Yonder (2014) 8.83 | 23
10. Persefone Core (2006) 8.83 | 127
11. Insomnium Above The Weeping World (2006) 8.81 | 596
12. The Morningside The Wind, The Trees And The Shadows Of The Past (2007) 8.78 | 36
13. Mechina Conqueror (2011) 8.78 | 36
14. Death Individual Thought Patterns (1993) 8.78 | 959
15. Morbid Angel Altars Of Madness (1989) 8.78 | 634
16. Dismember Like An Ever Flowing Stream (1991) 8.78 | 209
17. Dawn (SWE) Slaughtersun (Crown Of The Triarchy) (1998) 8.77 | 30
18. Dies Irae Sculpture Of Stone (2004) 8.77 | 26
19. Amorphis Tales From The Thousand Lakes (1994) 8.76 | 656
20. Dominia Divine Revolution (2006) 8.76 | 72
21. Amon Amarth With Oden On Our Side (2006) 8.76 | 1392
22. Quo Vadis Day Into Night (2000) 8.74 | 123
23. Morgion Solinari (1999) 8.74 | 31
24. Gojira From Mars To Sirius (2005) 8.73 | 627
25. Dead Congregation Graves Of The Archangels (2008) 8.71 | 38
26. Nocturnus AD The Key (1990) 8.70 | 132
27. Atheist Unquestionable Presence (1991) 8.70 | 365
28. Carcass Heartwork (1993) 8.70 | 727
29. Quo Vadis Defiant Imagination (2004) 8.70 | 170
30. Cynic Focus (1993) 8.70 | 510
31. Necrophobic The Nocturnal Silence (1993) 8.69 | 52
32. Edge Of Sanity Crimson II (2003) 8.69 | 304
33. Eternal Tears Of Sorrow A Virgin And A Whore (2001) 8.69 | 412
34. Avulsed Yearning For The Grotesque (2003) 8.69 | 29
35. Bolt Thrower ...For Victory (1994) 8.69 | 199
36. Sceptic Pathetic Being (2001) 8.68 | 28
37. Disincarnate Dreams Of The Carrion Kind (1993) 8.68 | 25
38. Sacramentum Far Away From The Sun (1996) 8.67 | 48
39. Immolation Close To A World Below (2000) 8.67 | 147
40. Illogicist The Insight Eye (2007) 8.67 | 21
41. In Mourning Shrouded Divine (2008) 8.67 | 335
42. Demigod Slumber Of Sullen Eyes (1992) 8.67 | 39
43. Evoken Quietus (2001) 8.67 | 86
44. Entombed Left Hand Path (1990) 8.66 | 298
45. Bolt Thrower Those Once Loyal (2005) 8.66 | 313
46. Pestilence Testimony Of The Ancients (1991) 8.66 | 163
47. Mercenary 11 Dreams (2004) 8.66 | 163
48. Suffocation Pierced From Within (1995) 8.66 | 239
49. Criminal Sicario (2005) 8.66 | 29
50. Dissection The Somberlain (1993) 8.65 | 386
51. Noumena Absence (2005) 8.65 | 117
52. Bloodbath Nightmares Made Flesh (2004) 8.65 | 515
53. Dark Lunacy Forget-Me-Not (2003) 8.65 | 74
54. In Vain The Latter Rain (2007) 8.65 | 88
55. Desultory Bitterness (1994) 8.65 | 20
56. Carcass Necroticism: Descanting The Insalubrious (1991) 8.65 | 454
57. Incantation Diabolical Conquest (1998) 8.64 | 45
58. Amon Amarth Twilight Of The Thunder God (2008) 8.64 | 1451
59. Nile Annihilation Of The Wicked (2005) 8.64 | 626
60. Septicflesh Sumerian Daemons (2003) 8.64 | 361
61. Omnium Gatherum New World Shadows (2011) 8.64 | 568
62. Dawn Of Tears Descent (2007) 8.64 | 66
63. Cryptopsy None So Vile (1996) 8.64 | 322
64. Obituary Cause Of Death (1990) 8.64 | 338
65. Yyrkoon Occult Medicine (2004) 8.64 | 44
66. Morbid Angel Covenant (1993) 8.63 | 476
67. Septicflesh The Great Mass (2011) 8.63 | 874
68. Neurotech Antagonist (2011) 8.62 | 82
69. Avulsed Stabwound Orgasm (1999) 8.62 | 24
70. Suffocation Effigy Of The Forgotten (1991) 8.62 | 233
71. Hollenthon With Vilest Of Worms To Dwell (2001) 8.62 | 125
72. Kalmah Swampsong (2003) 8.62 | 391
73. Necrophagist Epitaph (2004) 8.62 | 358
74. Deicide Deicide (1990) 8.62 | 299
75. Unmoored Indefinite Soul-Extension (2003) 8.62 | 24
76. Inborn Suffering Wordless Hope (2006) 8.62 | 34
77. Vader De Profundis (1995) 8.62 | 188
78. Kalisia Cybion (2009) 8.61 | 412
79. Decapitated Winds Of Creation (2000) 8.61 | 238
80. Psycroptic The Scepter Of The Ancients (2003) 8.61 | 93
81. Asphyx Last One On Earth (1992) 8.61 | 104
82. Benighted Icon (2007) 8.61 | 137
83. Arsis A Celebration Of Guilt (2004) 8.61 | 162
84. Deicide Legion (1992) 8.60 | 266
85. Kalmah Swamplord (2000) 8.60 | 388
86. Rapture Songs For The Withering (2002) 8.60 | 113
87. Vader Litany (2000) 8.60 | 276
88. Akercocke Words That Go Unspoken, Deeds That Go Undone (2005) 8.60 | 173
89. Evoken Antithesis Of Light (2005) 8.60 | 126
90. Deceased As The Weird Travel On (2005) 8.60 | 30
91. Vital Remains Dechristianize (2003) 8.60 | 167
92. Rapture Futile (1999) 8.60 | 114
93. Obscura Cosmogenesis (2009) 8.59 | 449
94. Malevolent Creation The Ten Commandments (1991) 8.59 | 98
95. Vader Impressions In Blood (2006) 8.59 | 276
96. Sinister Cross The Styx (1992) 8.59 | 54
97. Beyond Creation The Aura (2011) 8.59 | 168
98. Insomnium Since The Day It All Came Down (2004) 8.59 | 401
99. Hands Of Despair Hereafter (2011) 8.58 | 26
100. Monstrosity Millennium (1996) 8.58 | 52



Filtering to include all albums with >400 votes net similar results :

1 Amon Amarth - Deceiver Of The Gods 2013 Studio Melodic Death 8.1 433 - - 14
2 Amorphis - Circle 2013 Studio Folk
Progressive
Melodic Death 8.4 418 1 - 12
3 Omnium Gatherum - Beyond 2013 Studio Melodic Death 8.5 491 2 - 10
4 Gojira - L'Enfant Sauvage 2012 Studio Progressive Death 8.2 419 2 - 13
5 Be'lakor - Of Breath And Bone 2012 Studio Melodic Death 8.6 756 1 - 7
6 Insomnium - One For Sorrow 2011 Studio Melodic Death 8.6 619 2 - 11
7 Fleshgod Apocalypse - Agony 2011 Studio Brutal Death
Symphonic 8.4 442 1 - 10
8 Amorphis - The Beginning Of Times 2011 Studio Folk
Progressive
Melodic Death 8.1 528 1 - 13
9 Septicflesh - The Great Mass 2011 Studio Atmospheric Death
Extreme Symphonic 8.6 874 1 - 10
10 Obscura - Omnivium 2011 Studio Technical Death 8.5 510 1 - 9
11 Amon Amarth - Surtur Rising 2011 Studio Melodic Death 8.2 846 1 - 10
12 Omnium Gatherum - New World Shadows 2011 Studio Melodic Death 8.6 568 1 - 9
13 Nile - Those Whom The Gods Detest 2009 Studio Technical Death 8.5 493 1 - 10
14 Insomnium - Across The Dark 2009 Studio Melodic Death 8.5 514 1 - 10
15 Behemoth - Evangelion 2009 Studio Death 8.3 656 1 - 9
16 Be'lakor - Stone's Reach 2009 Studio Melodic Death 8.9 747 2 - 7
17 Amorphis - Skyforger 2009 Studio Folk
Progressive
Melodic Death 8.5 751 1 - 12
18 Obscura - Cosmogenesis 2009 Studio Technical Death 8.6 449 1 - 10
19 Kalisia - Cybion 2009 Studio Progressive Death 8.6 412 1 - 27
20 Gojira - The Way Of All Flesh 2008 Studio Progressive Death 8.5 471 1 - 12
21 Amon Amarth - Twilight Of The Thunder God 2008 Studio Melodic Death 8.6 1451 2 - 10
22 Septicflesh - Communion 2008 Studio Atmospheric Death 8.9 686 1 - 9
23 Amorphis - Silent Waters 2007 Studio Folk
Progressive
Melodic Death 8.6 613 1 - 11
24 Behemoth - The Apostasy 2007 Studio Death 8.4 637 1 - 11
25 Nile - Ithyphallic 2007 Studio Technical Death 8 447 1 - 12
26 Amon Amarth - With Oden On Our Side 2006 Studio Melodic Death 8.8 1392 1 - 9
27 Insomnium - Above The Weeping World 2006 Studio Melodic Death 8.8 596 1 - 12
28 Kalmah - The Black Waltz 2006 Studio Extreme Power
Melodic Death 8.6 434 2 - 10
29 Amorphis - Eclipse 2006 Studio Folk
Progressive
Melodic Death 8.5 594 1 - 11
30 Gojira - From Mars To Sirius 2005 Studio Progressive Death 8.7 627 1 - 11
31 Hypocrisy - Virus 2005 Studio Melodic Death 8.6 405 1 - 12
32 Nile - Annihilation Of The Wicked 2005 Studio Technical Death 8.6 626 2 - 10
33 Behemoth - Demigod 2004 Studio Death 8.6 724 2 - 10
34 Bloodbath - Nightmares Made Flesh 2004 Studio Death 8.7 515 1 - 12
35 Amon Amarth - Fate Of Norns 2004 Studio Melodic Death 8.2 800 1 - 8
36 Insomnium - Since The Day It All Came Down 2004 Studio Melodic Death 8.6 401 1 - 9
37 Amon Amarth - Versus The World 2002 Studio Melodic Death 8.5 861 1 - 10
38 Bloodbath - Resurrection Through Carnage 2002 Studio Death 8.5 416 1 - 10
39 Behemoth - Zos Kia Cultus (Here And Beyond) 2002 Studio Blackened Death 8.4 416 1 - 12
40 Nile - In Their Darkened Shrines 2002 Studio Technical Death 8.5 431 2 - 12
41 Amon Amarth - The Crusher 2001 Studio Melodic Death 7.7 485 - - 9
42 Eternal Tears Of Sorrow - A Virgin And A Whore 2001 Studio Extreme Power
Melodic Death 8.7 412 - - 10
43 Amon Amarth - The Avenger 1999 Studio Melodic Death 7.9 491 1 - 7
44 Amon Amarth - Once Sent From The Golden Hall 1998 Studio Melodic Death 8.1 506 1 - 8
45 Amorphis - Elegy 1996 Studio Melodic Death
Folk
Progressive 8.5 430 1 - 11
46 Edge Of Sanity - Crimson 1996 Studio Progressive Death 9.1 548 1 - 1
47 Dissection - Storm Of The Light's Bane 1995 Studio Melodic Death
Melodic Black 8.9 735 1 - 8
48 Death - Symbolic 1995 Studio Progressive Death
Progressive Thrash 9.1 1496 2 - 9
49 Amorphis - Tales From The Thousand Lakes 1994 Studio Melodic Death
Folk
Progressive 8.8 656 1 -



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deadone
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  27.03.2014 at 00:59
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 27.03.2014 at 00:16

Written by deadone on 27.03.2014 at 00:04

I was merely making an observation that pure DM isn't popular in Metal Storm land.


The numbers kind of suggest that's not the case being that "pure" death metal dominates above all the other types.



Except not in the top 20 bands!

And look how the number of votes drops off for pure DM for the whole 100.

E.g. Death, Dissection, Gojira, Omnium Gatherum. Belakor and Amon Amarth - all have over 500 votes.

Yet Dismember has 210, Nocturnus 134 etc etc. Even Deicide's self titled only has 299 votes.


The numbers say it all.

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Brutal death metal I suppose I kind of regard in a similar light as standard death metal. Tech-death though to me has always had more in common with progressive metal than death metal. It's basically extreme prog with death growls. They tend to be devoid of any classic death metal riffs.


Depends on the band really. Something like Psycroptic or Mephistopheles is rooted in DM, whereas later Atheist or Pestilence circa Sphere is not.


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Still not seeing any evidence of that though



Coz you don't believe in quantitative analysis.


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Again, standard procedure for any type of metal, not just death metal. Bands and albums tend to need at least some level of popularity before they start getting more coverage. It makes no sense to give a multi-page spread to a new death metal band with one EP and relegate Gorguts to a column with a couple of hundred words. This has nothing to do with people not listening to or liking certain brands of death metal, it's because said bands haven't accumulated enough of a fan base already. It's a marketing game in the end.


No-one said give Gorguts a paragraph.



Having read Metal mags since mid-1990s, newer pure DM has largely been ignored by the Metal press other than Nile.

In fact up to the early 2000s the main theme was "DM is old and tired." After that it was Nile PLUS Blackened Death PLUS limited amount of Tech Death ala Neuraxis.

Now it's back to not much at all new stuff.



Also you ignore the fact that especially Terrorizer and Zero Tolerance are known for championing certain bands. Terrorizer championed Mastodon, Isis and High on Fire way before they became popular. They also championed Vision of Disorder but nothing came of these guys in terms of mainstream popularity.


When Terrorizer did their DM special in the mid-2000s, they harped on about the original DM scene in the 1980s. They generally ignored most modern DM and spent more time talking about Sepultura's Arise and Entombed's death 'n roll.
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  27.03.2014 at 01:00
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  27.03.2014 at 01:04
Also, as Joe pointed out, the fact you have a ton of irl friends who prefer pure dm is completely useless and invalid in this "debate". All that proves is you got lucky in meeting people in your area who share a preference for pure death metal.

I love death metal, but I have ZERO irl friends who like non-melodic forms of metal. So based on your point of view I could argue that there must not be any metalheads in Houston, TX who like pure dm. But I would be dead wrong and come off as a complete moron for trying to make that claim just because I happen to make friends with a bunch of melodic-preferred metalheads in the part of Houston I live in.
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  27.03.2014 at 01:09
Written by deadone on 27.03.2014 at 00:59

Except not in the top 20 bands! / And look how the number of votes drops off for pure DM for the whole 100. / E.g. Death, Dissection, Gojira, Omnium Gatherum. Belakor and Amon Amarth - all have over 500 votes. / Yet Dismember has 210, Nocturnus 134 etc etc. Even Deicide's self titled only has 299 votes.


The numbers say it all.


The numbers say that melodic death metal, a genre with virtually no relation to death metal, is more popular than death metal. You might as well compare death metal to any other genre then. This is why this thread is inherently pointless because it's never been about what's popular in death metal, rather what's more popular in general. The answer is, as has been said many times, that the more melodic genres will be more popular.

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Depends on the band really. Something like Psycroptic or Mephistopheles is rooted in DM, whereas later Atheist or Pestilence circa Sphere is not.


Certainly some bands retain more death than others. That's not in dispute.

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Coz you don't believe in quantitative analysis.


When the source material / evidence is flawed from the beginning it doesn't really matter what one believes in

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Having read Metal mags since mid-1990s, newer pure DM has largely been ignored by the Metal press other than Nile. / In fact up to the early 2000s the main theme was "DM is old and tired." After that it was Nile PLUS Blackened Death. / Now it's back to not much at all.


This is anecdotal evidence, and evidence that tends to be untrue from my own experience. I've seen countless death metal bands in those magazines. It's not really worth discussing further if this is how you're going to structure your arguments.

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Also you ignore the fact that especially Terrorizer and Zero Tolerance are known for championing certain bands. Terrorizer championed Mastodon, Isis and High on Fire way before they became popular. They also championed Vision of Disorder but nothing came of these guys in terms of mainstream popularity.


I'm not ignoring anything, but I don't know what point you're trying to make with this. I don't see how it relates to the idea that people somehow, all of sudden, don't like standard death metal.

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When Terrorizer did their DM special in the mid-2000s, they harped on about the original DM scene in the 1980s. They generally ignored most modern DM and spent more time talking about Sepultura's Arise and Entombed's death 'n roll.

Who would make a "classic" list of albums that are only a few years old?

Sorry, I remain unconvinced.
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  27.03.2014 at 01:12
Written by psykometal on 27.03.2014 at 01:04

Also, as Joe pointed out, the fact you have a ton of irl friends who prefer pure dm is completely useless and invalid in this "debate". All that proves is you got lucky in meeting people in your area who share a preference for pure death metal.



My anecdotal evidence is still better than Joes "You're wrong, I'm right" "evidence."


Anyhow the numbers are there for Metal Storm - even "big" pure DM albums don't attract the votes.

Now we could assume that some fans of pure DM don't vote, but then the same assumption must be made for the other non-pure bands.



Other anecdotal evidence includes limited discussion on pure DM on the threads as opposed to other genres.
deadone
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  27.03.2014 at 01:18
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 27.03.2014 at 01:09

The numbers say that melodic death metal, a genre with virtually no relation to death metal, is more popular than death metal. You might as well compare death metal to any other genre then. This is why this thread is inherently pointless because it's never been about what's popular in death metal, rather what's more popular in general. The answer is, as has been said many times, that the more melodic genres will be more popular.


That's what I've been saying all along.


MSers don't dig pure DM for the most part.


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This is anecdotal evidence, and evidence that tends to be untrue from my own experience. I've seen countless death metal bands in those magazines. It's not really worth discussing further if this is how you're going to structure your arguments.


How many haven't been the top order though?

And as stated how often are they the ones the attention is lavished on?

Terrorizer especially prefers wierd shit or their own fave bands to get the attention.

(It's one reason I've stopped reading it. Plus the writing style and interview quality has degenerated).



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I'm not ignoring anything, but I don't know what point you're trying to make with this. I don't see how it relates to the idea that people somehow, all of sudden, don't like standard death metal.


It's not all of a sudden. You love putting words into people's mouths.

Pure DM never had the success of Thrash or Metalcore or NuMetal or whatever (look at the sales figures for the highest DM albums).

However I thought it was interesting that pure DM wasn't that popular on MS.

The reason is it's a more underground associated website and not heavily commercialised ala say Metal Rules or whatever.

And the more underground types you have, the greater the chance some of them would be into pure DM.


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Who would make a "classic" list of albums that are only a few years old?


It was not a classic list.

It was meant to be the story of the whole evolution of Death Metal. It spanned several issues with numerous articles, interviews and a few lists.
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  27.03.2014 at 01:30
Written by deadone on 27.03.2014 at 01:18

That's what I've been saying all along. / MSers don't dig pure DM for the most part.


So it really was a massively pointless thread to point out that melodic genres get more attention than death metal


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It's not all of a sudden. You love putting words into people's mouths. / Pure DM never had the success of Thrash or Metalcore or NuMetal or whatever (look at the sales figures for the highest DM albums). / However I thought it was interesting that pure DM wasn't that popular on MS. / The reason is it's a more underground associated website and not heavily commercialised ala say Metal Rules or whatever. / And the more underground types you have, the greater the chance some of them would be into pure DM.


But it's still more popular than black, doom, and a bunch of other stuff. Again, gauging it by genres other than death metal does not mean "MSers don't like Death Metal." It means it's not as popular as some other things.

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It was not a classic list. / It was meant to be the story of the whole evolution of Death Metal. It spanned several issues with numerous articles, interviews and a few lists.

Actually it was called the secret history of death metal if I researched it right. Makes perfect sense then to me it would ignore relatively later stuff, seeing as it was its "history."

I think that's all that needs to be said on this matter. From me at least.
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  27.03.2014 at 01:35
Written by deadone on 27.03.2014 at 01:12
Other anecdotal evidence includes limited discussion on pure DM on the threads as opposed to other genres.

Other statistical evidence is looking through last.fm listeners (which tend to favor more melodic/accessible forms of all metal, not just death metal) and RYM ratings (which tends to favor the melodic side of things as well).
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  27.03.2014 at 01:37
Written by Karlabos on at 02:00

^Stormtroopers? o.O

The term I use to refer to MS registrants. I prefer saying "the Storm" to MS, and "Stormtroopers" to MSers.

The site is called Metal STORM and we are it's users, it's troopers of metal, so why not have a little fun with it; ie the Storm and it's Stormtroopers.

Now, back on topic...this thread is pointless, useless and only serves to prove it's own point...that the majority of Stormtroopers, like the rest of society, prefer their music with a healthy dose of melody. Message received (hooray another disappointed soul). Point proven (not that there was any cause for said point to be made). Observation noted (this whole thread is more like an observation) . Case closed (there was no case to begin with). Let's the lock this bitch down. Shall we?
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deadone
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  27.03.2014 at 01:51
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 27.03.2014 at 01:30

Actually it was called the secret history of death metal if I researched it right. Makes perfect sense then to me it would ignore relatively later stuff, seeing as it was its "history."



History doesn't stop in 1992, whatever Francis Fukuyama may have said.


Also said articles were not in a stand alone book but rather several issues in 2006. I've never read that Secret History of DM published in 2010.

Wiki reveals as Issues 148 - 151 and following synopsis:

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The Death Metal Special has been the largest special to date, spanning four issues. The first, with a Deicide cover, contains an extensive history of the genre, a look at the scene in Florida and Stockholm, a double-sided Morbid Angel and Deicide poster, a look at progressive death metal and oral histories from Cannibal Corpse's Alex Webster and The Haunted/At the Gates' Anders Björler.

The second part opened with an interview with Albert Mudrian, author of Choosing Death: The Improbable History of Death Metal and Grindcore, a Gothenburg scene report, an article on death metal artwork and the over-the-top sounds of Anal Cunt and Lawnmower Deth. Also included were oral histories from Immolation's Ross Dolan and Nile's Karl Sanders. The third part, the issue also including a feature on Napalm Death and a tribute to Napalm Death/Terrorizer's Jesse Pintado who died August 24, launched with a look at the role tape-trading played in the growth of the genre, death metal in Eastern Europe (in particular, Vader, Decapitated and Behemoth), and in the UK (Carcass, Bolt Thrower, Napalm Death and Akercocke), as well as oral histories from Deicide's Glen Benton and Incantation's John McEntee before closing with an examination of the death/grind crossover.

Part four may have contained less death metal specific content than the first part, but it finished the series with an eighteen track covermount compilation CD, part sponsored by UK satellite channel Redemption TV. The CD featured a broad history of the genre, including tracks by Carcass, Repulsion, Autopsy, Morbid Angel, Deicide, Bolt Thrower, Cannibal Corpse, Entombed, Atheist, Obituary, Malevolent Creation, Nile, Suffocation, At the Gates, Cryptopsy, Dying Fetus, Hate Eternal and Behemoth. Due to licensing problems incurred by the death of Combat Records, Death and Possessed were noticeably absent.[citation needed] The rest of the magazine contained oral histories from Morbid Angel's Trey Azagthoth, Obituary's John Tardy and Cryptopsy's Flo Mounier, a roundtable discussion with the participating bands of the Swedish Masters of Death Tour (Dismember, Unleashed, Grave and Entombed), a look at the death metal scene in Canada, the labels that were involved in the genre's genesis and finally a death metal top 40.

deadone
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  27.03.2014 at 01:52
Written by psykometal on 27.03.2014 at 01:37

Written by Karlabos on at 02:00

^Stormtroopers? o.O

The term I use to refer to MS registrants. I prefer saying "the Storm" to MS, and "Stormtroopers" to MSers.

The site is called Metal STORM and we are it's users, it's troopers of metal, so why not have a little fun with it; ie the Storm and it's Stormtroopers.

Now, back on topic...this thread is pointless, useless and only serves to prove it's own point...that the majority of Stormtroopers, like the rest of society, prefer their music with a healthy dose of melody. Message received (hooray another disappointed soul). Point proven (not that there was any cause for said point to be made). Observation noted (this whole thread is more like an observation) . Case closed (there was no case to begin with). Let's the lock this bitch down. Shall we?



Can we shut down the entire forum then?

After all most of it's pointless shit ala "Band X rules," "Band Y sux" or "My list of shit I like."


Proves my theory that people don't like discussion - they like opinions that match their own and anything else is viewed as something to be shut down.

I notice the same behaviour on aviation, military, wargaming, political and other music forums - requests are always being made to shut down topics with actual discussion.
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  27.03.2014 at 01:55
Written by deadone on 27.03.2014 at 01:52


After all most of it's pointless shit ala "Band X rules," "Band Y sux" or "My list of shit I like."

Better than this and deadone's "look at me I didn't like anything from the past 3 months!" self-indulgences
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  27.03.2014 at 01:56
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 27.03.2014 at 01:55

Written by deadone on 27.03.2014 at 01:52


After all most of it's pointless shit ala "Band X rules," "Band Y sux" or "My list of shit I like."

Better than this and deadone's "look at me I didn't like anything from the past 3 months!" self-indulgences



That comes under "Band Y sux" generic category.
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  27.03.2014 at 02:25
Written by deadone on 27.03.2014 at 01:52

*all forums are bollucks*

I suppose there is some merit in that observation. Fine. I won't lock it down, can't speak for others who also have keys to the forums, but I won't.

*in overly pompous Brit accent*And I'd like the record to reflect I still think this topic is ridiculous and I've made my opinion known. I would also like the record to show I do prefer my death metal with less melody than the majority.
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deadone
Mainstream Poser

Posts: 4148
From: Australia

  27.03.2014 at 02:33
Written by psykometal on 27.03.2014 at 02:25

Written by deadone on 27.03.2014 at 01:52

*all forums are bollucks*

I suppose there is some merit in that observation. Fine. I won't lock it down, can't speak for others who also have keys to the forums, but I won't.

*in overly pompous Brit accent*And I'd like the record to reflect I still think this topic is ridiculous and I've made my opinion known. I would also like the record to show I do prefer my death metal with less melody than the majority.




*In an equally pompous accent* Most of this Internet social media malarky is ridiculous and only serves to waste time and promote self aggrandisement, narcisism and ironically greater social isolation as real life interactions are replaced with electronic ones.


As for DM, depends on the album.

I do prefer generous slabs of groove or thrash with splashes of melody in my Death Metal hence I worship at the altar of Morbid Angel, Gorefest, Kataklysm, Edge of Sanity, Entombed et al.

And occassionally I do like a generous LSD fueled helping of wierd ala Pestilence's Spheres which I think is a phenomenal album albeit nearly completely devoid of DM.
Fearmeister
I, Voidlover

Posts: 366

Age: 23
From: USA

  27.03.2014 at 04:24
So wait, the guy who said that my lists are pointless due to the fact that the website already has big lists for people to discover new music is saying that those same lists are stupid?

Nice.
deadone
Mainstream Poser

Posts: 4148
From: Australia

  27.03.2014 at 04:31
Written by Fearmeister on 27.03.2014 at 04:24

So wait, the guy who said that my lists are pointless due to the fact that the website already has big lists for people to discover new music is saying that those same lists are stupid?

Nice.



Actually your list is far better than the MS one on closer inspection.
M C Vice
Ex-polydactyl

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Age: 28
From: Australia

  27.03.2014 at 08:28
Written by psykometal on 27.03.2014 at 01:37

Written by Karlabos on at 02:00

^Stormtroopers? o.O

The term I use to refer to MS registrants. I prefer saying "the Storm" to MS, and "Stormtroopers" to MSers.

The site is called Metal STORM and we are it's users, it's troopers of metal, so why not have a little fun with it; ie the Storm and it's Stormtroopers.

Do we get shiny white armour and blaster pistols?
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Staffpool

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  27.03.2014 at 09:02
Written by M C Vice on 27.03.2014 at 08:28

Do we get shiny white armour and blaster pistols?

Sure. That'll be $499.99 for the armor, $299.99 for the blaster and $49.99 for the shooting lessons (shooting lessons optional). All payable via PayPal.
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deadone
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From: Australia

  27.03.2014 at 23:41
Written by psykometal on 27.03.2014 at 09:02

the shooting lessons (shooting lessons optional).


You're better off without the shooting lessons as they only teach you how to shoot inaccurately.
!J.O.O.E.!
Thought Police

Posts: 15132

Age: 30
From: UK

  27.03.2014 at 23:43
Written by deadone on 27.03.2014 at 23:41


You're better off without the shooting lessons as they only teach you how to shoot inaccurately.

Nah they were told to miss. Was part of Tarkin's plan
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deadone
Mainstream Poser

Posts: 4148
From: Australia

  28.03.2014 at 00:06
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 27.03.2014 at 23:43

Written by deadone on 27.03.2014 at 23:41


You're better off without the shooting lessons as they only teach you how to shoot inaccurately.

Nah they were told to miss. Was part of Tarkin's plan



I don't think getting annihilated by Ewoks was though.
!J.O.O.E.!
Thought Police

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Age: 30
From: UK

  28.03.2014 at 00:12
Written by deadone on 28.03.2014 at 00:06

I don't think getting annihilated by Ewoks was though.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition Ewoks.
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deadone
Mainstream Poser

Posts: 4148
From: Australia

  28.03.2014 at 00:23
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 28.03.2014 at 00:12

Written by deadone on 28.03.2014 at 00:06

I don't think getting annihilated by Ewoks was though.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition Ewoks.



Even as a kid that whole thing peeved me off. I hated Ewoks even when I was like 8 years old.
!J.O.O.E.!
Thought Police

Posts: 15132

Age: 30
From: UK

  28.03.2014 at 00:25
Written by deadone on 28.03.2014 at 00:23

Even as a kid that whole thing peeved me off. I hated Ewoks even as a kid.

If David Lynch had directed Return of the Jedi, like he was originally asked to, I doubt the Ewoks would have been quite the same.
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deadone
Mainstream Poser

Posts: 4148
From: Australia

  28.03.2014 at 01:04
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 28.03.2014 at 00:25

Written by deadone on 28.03.2014 at 00:23

Even as a kid that whole thing peeved me off. I hated Ewoks even as a kid.

If David Lynch had directed Return of the Jedi, like he was originally asked to, I doubt the Ewoks would have been quite the same.



Wasn't Endor meant to be the home of Wookies before Lucas decided there was more money to be made in cute little critters rather than being giant hairy things?


On topic, some DM bands should do a song about Stormtroopers slaughtering Ewoks, complete with an appropriate film clip.


"SLUAGHTER OF EWOKS....DIE FURRY FUCKERS"
Lit.
Brütal Legend

Posts: 3706

Age: 27
From: USA

  28.03.2014 at 05:31
So... how/why is this thread not locked yet?
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no one

Posts: 2246

Age: 31
From: New Zealand

  28.03.2014 at 05:54
Written by Lit. on 28.03.2014 at 05:31

So... how/why is this thread not locked yet?

fucked if i know, bittercold must be on holiday
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Troy Killjoy
perfunctionist

Posts: 18673
From: Canada

  28.03.2014 at 06:36
Let's all move on from the fact the thread still exists - which it will continue to do as the thread report has already been rejected - and please focus on the topic! We could all debate until we're blue in the face whether this has its place or not but I think by now we all know it's here to stay. Might as well take a page out of Joe and deadone's (on-topic) discussion and make use of this thread or just ignore it.
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BitterCOld
OldBitterGringo

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Age: 41
From: Paraguay

  28.03.2014 at 07:41
I thought it might be good for some degrees of debate. ideally more participating than the same two people. but so long as it's extended post followed by extended post retort you're just going to drive away participation from people who don't want to get dragged into it.

the points made are valid in that the more accessible the music, the more likely it is to have fans. and MSers as a whole overrate (or sandbag) everything.

frankly, the biggest issue is looking at ratings in the first place. i completely disregard them. there are but a handful of people whose tastes I trust and whose endorsement means much of anything.
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