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Posted by on 05.04.2007 at 18:14
I'm sure a lot of you have dismissed him as being either an Alice Cooper and/or David Bowie rip off (I won't deny that he has tried to be both of these people before) or an annoying idol for the mallcore types to bow down to, but to me he is an artist. He's quite intelligent actually; did you know he is a member of Mensa? Yes yes, he also was a Reverend in the Church of Satan and considered Anton LaVey to be his mentor, but I wouldn't consider him to be a LaVeyan Satanist since he also said he frequented the library and the local Blockbuster more than the Church of Satan and appears to have an eclectic belief system from what I can tell.

My favorite albums from him are probably the first two: "Portrait of an American Family" and "Antichrist Superstar". His debut album is quite different than what came later since Daisy Berkowitz, the original guitarist and co-founder of the band (they were originally called Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids) contributed a lot to the songwriting and thus there are some solos here and there and the album has a more "fun" feel to it compared to the later releases which are obviously more dark and serious.

I can think of a lot of reasons why I also like "Antichrist Superstar". The concept of the worm to angel metamorphosis is pretty interesting and it's a pretty heavy album with songs such as "Angel with the Scabbed Wings", "1996", and "Irresponsible Hate Anthem" but finishes out with the melancholic number "Man That You Fear". I also just liked the band era in general since Zim Zum was in the band, who is also a talented guitarist; I still miss Daisy but he was a worthy successor (don't get me wrong, I like John 5 too).

So I hope there are some of you out there who are fans. To me, there's a lot more behind the band and the man than just the shock value and makeup.



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Schizoid6.6

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  13.05.2014 at 16:30
Written by theFIST on 12.05.2014 at 14:58

Written by Schizoid6.6 on 12.05.2014 at 06:40

I'll admit I favor him a lot. Not sure I would call him metal, more like blackened industrial shock rock if there be such a thing.

blackened?


Yeah believe it or not, he's actually used blackened themes in a number of his songs. I guess you need to listen to him to understand.
Troy Killjoy
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  13.05.2014 at 17:00
Written by Schizoid6.6 on 13.05.2014 at 16:30
Yeah believe it or not, he's actually used blackened themes in a number of his songs. I guess you need to listen to him to understand.

As someone who has listened to (almost) the entire Manson discography and a ton of black metal, I'd really like to know what these "blackened themes" are. Aside from the fact he wears makeup and has an anti-Christian (or anti-religious) stance, there really isn't anything to connect him with black metal at all.
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theFIST

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  13.05.2014 at 17:28
Written by Schizoid6.6 on 13.05.2014 at 16:30

Written by theFIST on 12.05.2014 at 14:58

Written by Schizoid6.6 on 12.05.2014 at 06:40

I'll admit I favor him a lot. Not sure I would call him metal, more like blackened industrial shock rock if there be such a thing.

blackened?

Yeah believe it or not

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Written by Warman on 07.11.2007 at 22:39
Haha, that's like saying "compose your own Metal album and upload it here, instead of writing a review of an album".
Schizoid6.6

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  13.05.2014 at 20:05
^Yeah well, disbelief doesn't necessarily make something not true. And gravity's only a theory right? Anyway, in this case, I guess I was thinking more in ideology not music. But if everyone here must get super technical, fine he's not. His reputation, however, has been constantly blackened.
Troy Killjoy
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  13.05.2014 at 20:20
What's "black metal" about his reputation? Dating a much younger celebrity? Wearing grills and partying in a hot tub in an MTV music video? Sorry, but calling Marilyn Manson remotely black metal is too much a stretch for me to get on board with. The guy has some personal views that call into question the way society operates and points to the significance of counter-culture, but it's not like he's a church-burning punk-influenced Satanist.
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Schizoid6.6

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  14.05.2014 at 00:21
No, blackened means to slander someone's name, he's been a victim of that frequently...repudiated like black metal, but doing it in style like a rap superstar. Perhaps black metal needs a new sub-genre, black nu-metal LOL.
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  14.05.2014 at 02:59
Written by Schizoid6.6 on 14.05.2014 at 00:21

No, blackened means to slander someone's name, he's been a victim of that frequently...repudiated like black metal, but doing it in style like a rap superstar. Perhaps black metal needs a new sub-genre, black nu-metal LOL.

That's not what "blackened" means, when using it as part of a genre tag. "Blackened death metal" is not death metal that is hated on or slandered by mainstream, it's death metal with elements of black metal in it. Thus, "blackened."

Manson has not a single hint of black metal in his music. Calling him "blackened [any genre tag here]" doesn't make any sense at all.
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Schizoid6.6

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  14.05.2014 at 12:35
I know, I wasn't using 'blackened' as a black metal reference here. It's my fault for using such an ambiguous term. I guess I forgot where I was, where the term 'metalhead' is quite literal to it's name.
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  15.05.2014 at 00:03
Written by Schizoid6.6 on 14.05.2014 at 12:35

I know, I wasn't using 'blackened' as a black metal reference here. It's my fault for using such an ambiguous term. I guess I forgot where I was, where the term 'metalhead' is quite literal to it's name.

My head's not made out of metal at all, actually, unless you count the calcium in my skull. Most of the stuff inside my head is non-metal materials, though. Unless you didn't mean "metalhead" as something literal.
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