well i wanna see what do u think why Democracy is good, offcours if u think that Democracy is good for our countrys for people.
Well i hope im not the only one here that don't agree with democratic system, for Democracy is alsmot same as any otehr system that gives ppl freedom
but one thing i really dislike in this syste are Elctions, how can u count vote fo some doctor, some inginier or some magister same as vote of some village man whos knows shit about politic, and knows nothing about anythign that ain't related wiht hes work at village
and also they count vote os man who dunno how to read or how to wrrite same as vote of doctors and inginiers and learned ppl
The "world being corrupt' and USA being not less of a fascist than Nazi Germany is all old news, agreed. but that Wikileaks thing's got some pretty interesting shit, i mean Uranium was stolen from libyan Nuclear reactors and smuggled abroad, Sarkouzy saying that he would never allow 75 million muslims to join the EU (meaning Turkey), Hilary Clinton asked US diplomats to spy on their counterparts .. lol now THAT is entertainment !!
Agreed!
Is it true that some servers are hosted in an underground nuclear bunker in Stockholm?!
I know Julian Assange was a hacker but how the hell do they reach these documents?!
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@Zombie
An empty circular definition. I doubt you have any idea yourself you know what your talking about.
Actually what you doing is -rhetorical patting on the back- of each other with this "common understanding".
"democracy is dead" - yeah, they make propaganda" - "they are actually fascists".
Words are not defined by common understanding, but by usage in context (are you interested in political theory or Political philosophy which use the term?).
Dictionary researchers are not law givers, but historians of usage of words in context (unlike what many Americans think).
Your usage of terms here, is as follows;
As pointed out by Orwell, some terms turn into Orwellian terms.
Affective connotations (i.e. which hold no informative role, but emotional and from here normative) as thought stoppers ("your a fascist!") and rhetorical patting on the back between church friends ("god is great, isn't he?" - "sure he is").
You use them as rhetorical bashing tools, and (in future) will try to rationalize the term(s) to fit your prejudices (~"a democracy is where human rights are not hurt").
Somewhat like astrology or other types or charlatans. There are always right, since it's so vague and ambiguous you can always redefine them term to fit.
But what does democracy mean in politics?
Until you will not define democracy in any meaningful way, the conversation will lack any depth whatsoever
or you can just continue complementing each other which has nothing to do with "democracy" (the political term).
Have you never argued with someone while misunderstanding what he was actually meaning by his usage of words? I can bet you did (overwhelmingly most of us did).
There are no conversations as far as my experience goes that are meaningful before terms are clarified (except by mistake/chance).
By the way, I could not believe why people put down Fox News so much. A few weeks ago I watched it for the first proper time - I was shocked...How can someone actually take this channel seriously?
@Zombie
But what does democracy mean in politics?
Until you will not define democracy in any meaningful way, the conversation will lack any depth whatsoever
or you can just continue complementing each other which has nothing to do with "democracy" (the political term).
Have you never argued with someone while misunderstanding what he was actually meaning by his usage of words? I can bet you did (overwhelmingly most of us did).
There are no conversations as far as my experience goes that are meaningful before terms are clarified (except by mistake/chance).
This isn't the proper forum to post topics like these anyway so we should not expect meaningful answers. (This is more for a Sociological/Political Blogs or Forums.) We're metal fans, we should just rock.
Every government is a parliament of whores. The trouble is, in a democracy, the whores are us.
P. J. O'Rourke
awesome...writing this quote down
---- The bones of beasts and the bones of kings
Become dust in the wake of the hymn
Mighty kingdoms rise, but they all will fall
No more than a breath on the wind
Hej folks! sorry for a quite off-topic intrusion, as my first post after years of absence, but one of our French deputies just died from a severe cancer at the age of 51 and I'd like to pay a little tribute for he was the only political metalhead and a true defensor of democracy: he came to the Parliament brandishing a French metal magazine to speak for our major festival: Hellfest (who was strongly attacked by catholic morons (I'm saying this as a Christian myself, it's not against catholics in general, but those were totally retarded), he defended the liberty for internet etc...
His name was Patrick Roy and he was a socialist, what I am not but still, I do respect it a lot even if I don't quite respect democracy: it takes some balls to speak about metal et French metal bands in front of a Parliament who kinda thinks that the Rolling Stones are the epitome of brutality...
I come to believe some righteous people can justify a concept I don't believe in (such as democracy)...
By the way, I could not believe why people put down Fox News so much. A few weeks ago I watched it for the first proper time - I was shocked...How can someone actually take this channel seriously?
Living in the States, I wonder the same exact thing, haha.
If you want a real hoot, you should try to find one of Glenn Beck's shows.
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Democracy is an evil antidote to government. It is a pure majority rule. A limited republic is the only way to rule a society. Where the minority has some rights.
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I swear by my life and love for it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor shall I ask another to live for me.
Democracy is an evil antidote to government. It is a pure majority rule. A limited republic is the only way to rule a society. Where the minority has some rights.
Democracy, as a form of political rule, or in other words, government, is an "evil antidote to government"?
Way too "poetic" and confused to make any sense whatsoever.
Democracy in nowdays is two wolves and one sheep voting for food. Today corruption has infiltrated everywhere. And that's a result from democracy. Freedom is virtual. It's the free space you have between the barbwire. The only thing that changes between any constitutiion it's the size of free space you have between the barbwire. Politicians corrupt voters by giving promisses. These promisses regard the personal interest of every single voter or groups of voters (with regional interests for example) and we end up in a circle that politicians are corrupted and voters are corrupted. So a corrupted goverment is elected from corrupted voters and we have a corrupted nation. That's the general idea for democracy today. My personal opinion is that democracy can only work in a direct way (like direct democracy) and if people first think of common and public interest and then their individual interest. What people don't get is that if a nation is in prosperity then along goes their living standard but if the nation is in decay then the people will go down with it. People are the nation NOT the politicians.
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