Written by Metal Maiden 666 on 28.12.2010 at 16:35

Speaking as a long time fan, I love this album. I'll put it up there with "So Far So Good So What" & "Rust In Peace". Hard for me to pick one favorite album, but this would definitely be in there. Standouts include: "Addicted to Choas", "Blood of Heroes", "Train of Consequences" & "A Tout le Monde". Megadeth has been my favorite band for 20 years & counting, I give this album a 9+!!

Written by RavenKing on 28.12.2010 at 20:13

I think Megadeth started to simplify their music and make their sound more accessible, trying to get more attention from the mainstream, with "Countdown To Extinction". After that, I never cared for this band.

Written by Angelic Storm on 28.12.2010 at 20:16

Written by RavenKing on 28.12.2010 at 20:13

I think Megadeth started to simplify their music and make their sound more accessible, trying to get more attention from the mainstream, with "Countdown To Extinction". After that, I never cared for this band.

Dave was always trying to compete with Metallica and trying to "outdo" them. So its not surprising that he made Megadeth material much more accessible after the "Black Album" was released.

Written by RavenKing on 28.12.2010 at 20:28
Indeed. I know about it for sure. You know how I hate Metallica and especially the black album for what it did to the metal scene. What you describe here is one of the perverse effects of this sellout commercial album.

It was impossible to outdo Metallica as for sales anyway but, this way, he would have gained tons of respect from the true metalheads and would have contributed to the advancement of Thrash Metal.

Written by Irritable Ted on 28.12.2010 at 20:40
I really liked the Black Album, if it wasn't for that I probably wouldn't have even listened to their other stuff or any Megadeth and missed a lot. Sometimes an album hated by fans opens doors for people who wouldn't have even looked at the genre.

Even though I don't really listen to anything that could be described as thrash anymore, it still gave me the love for something more aggressive. My tastes grew to more than just Def Leppard and Magnum, the sound of a good guitar solo also came about the same time.

Written by Guest on 28.12.2010 at 20:47

Who are these "true metalheads"? i think you're talking about the people who cherish stagnation and narrow-mindedness.

Written by Angelic Storm on 28.12.2010 at 20:39

Written by RavenKing on 28.12.2010 at 20:28
Indeed. I know about it for sure. You know how I hate Metallica and especially the black album for what it did to the metal scene. What you describe here is one of the perverse effects of this sellout commercial album.

It was impossible to outdo Metallica as for sales anyway but, this way, he would have gained tons of respect from the true metalheads and would have contributed to the advancement of Thrash Metal.

I do. hehe

The funny thing is, Dave Mustaine and Megadeth do have a lot more respect from "true metalheads" than Metallica do. I think many (more or less blind Dave/Megadeth fanboys though!) suffer from the delusion that because Megadeth failed to achieve the massive popularity and stardom that Metallica had, that Dave didn't sell out in the 90's. As much as I like some of the Megadeth material from the 90's, I think for anyone to suggest that Dave didnt sell out with those albums is in need of a reality check. Dave was jealous of Metallica's success, and was willing to compromise his artistic integrity to try and gain similar success. Even Dave himself, has stated that the mid-late 90's albums were made the way they were in order to "get the number one album Id always wanted". I think some live in some kind of cloud-cuckoo land where Dave and Megadeth are concerned, because he sold out, and that is an indisputable fact. I hate using the term "sold-out", I think it's overused, and any band who deviates from its original style is tagged with it. But in Megadeth's case, its undeniable, as Dave has admitted making albums merely to achieve commercial success and radio airplay. He may not have used the word "sold-out", but he doesn't have to.

Written by Guest on 28.12.2010 at 21:02

Written by RavenKing on 28.12.2010 at 20:53

Written by Guest on 28.12.2010 at 20:47

Who are these "true metalheads"? i think you're talking about the people who cherish stagnation and narrow-mindedness.

Are you trying to say that the black album was a form of evolution?
Damn, it was even worse than stagnation, as it was a case of musical devolution.

As for narrow-mindedness, it's a totally void argument I don't even want to discuss.

are you trying to say evolution doesn't exist and this musical change didn't happen?
it was a different kind of an album and some people like it without thinking market sells.
basicly every release out there is meant to be bought.

Written by RavenKing on 28.12.2010 at 20:13

I think Megadeth started to simplify their music and make their sound more accessible, trying to get more attention from the mainstream, with "Countdown To Extinction". After that, I never cared for this band.
Not that it was among my favorites before but I liked a few songs here and there.
But it was a general phenomenon in the 90s. Pretty much all 80s Thrash bands started to suck in the 90s (it was a very shitty decade for this genre). Even my all-time favorite Thrash band, Kreator, sucked donkey balls in the 90s and went back to something listenable for me only with "Violent Revolution".
In fact, I renewed with Thrash only a few years ago. I had lost all interest to check anything new from Thrash bands since the mid-90s because, Imo, anything new was sucky garbage. For a very long time, I still listened to old Thrash albums but I almost never bothered to check new albums. And the few times I took a chance and checked new material, it sucked so bad I regretted having taken the chance.

Sorry for the negativity but that's how I feel about the 90s when it comes to Thrash.

Written by Angelic Storm on 28.12.2010 at 21:21

Hun, "The Sound Of Perseverance" is a melodic death metal album, not thrash. "Chaos AD" is not thrash either, and Pantera were never really thrash, although they did have thrash elements in their sound.

You also missed out "Persistance Of Time" and "Coma Of Souls". (both of which were released in 1990)

Written by Vikcen on 28.12.2010 at 21:39
hehe, and "The Gathering" is Death Metal =)

Written by Angelic Storm on 28.12.2010 at 21:21

Hun, "The Sound Of Perseverance" is a melodic death metal album, not thrash. "Chaos AD" is not thrash either, and Pantera were never really thrash, although they did have thrash elements in their sound.

You also missed out "Persistance Of Time" and "Coma Of Souls". (both of which were released in 1990)

Written by RavenKing on 28.12.2010 at 21:44
I was about to point out the same.

As for Thrash albums, a few good ones were released in the 90s but all the ones you and Vikcen mentioned were from the very early 90s. Around 92-93, pretty much all bands started to suck and that's when it became almost impossible to find a good Thrash album in the 90s. The very early years were not as awful as what came after.

Written by Angelic Storm on 28.12.2010 at 21:50

Written by RavenKing on 28.12.2010 at 21:44
I was about to point out the same.

As for Thrash albums, a few good ones were released in the 90s but all the ones you and Vikcen mentioned were from the very early 90s. Around 92-93, pretty much all bands started to suck and that's when it became almost impossible to find a good Thrash album in the 90s. The very early years were not as awful as what came after.

I actually see 1990 as part of the 80's, as far as I see it as the last year that really classic thrash albums were released. Albums like "Coma Of Souls", "Rust In Peace", and "Persistance Of Time" for example, have far more in common with those bands 80's albums, than anything that followed in the 90's. So as far as the classic thrash period is concerned, I see 1990 as more part of the 80's, than the 90's.

Written by Angelic Storm on 28.12.2010 at 21:41

Written by Vikcen on 28.12.2010 at 21:39
hehe, and "The Gathering" is Death Metal =)

"The Gathering" has death metal elements, but I wouldnt really call it death metal. Its like a mix of their earlier melodic thrash style, mixed in with death metal and more modern metal elements.

Written by RavenKing on 28.12.2010 at 21:54
Because, if you think about it, albums released in 1990 were in fact composed, recorded and produced in the 80s.

Written by Angelic Storm on 28.12.2010 at 22:06

I mean, all of these bands recorded a real thrash album in 1990. (Anthrax, Megadeth, Sepultura, Kreator, Overkill, Testament, Forbidden, Exodus, and others) By the time of all of these bands' next albums, they had either watered down the thrash, or abandoned it altogether. So to me, its quite easy to see 1990 as like the end of the classic thrash period, even if it's technically not part of the 80's.

Written by RavenKing on 28.12.2010 at 22:20

The quick decline Thrash and traditional Heavy Metal both suffered in the early 90s is one thing I will never be able to understand and explain. I mean, it was quite sudden and so fast.

The young fans will perhaps have some difficulty to imagine it but, to tell you the extent of the changes the metal scene undergone back then, I can tell you that it was nearly impossible to find someone who still cared for Iron Maiden here at that time. People simply didn't give a fuck any longer at Thrash and Heavy Metal. It was all about Death, industrial, groove, alternative, grunge, etc, etc.. But the classic metal genres? Dead. And almost no one cared.

I don't know if it was the same in Europe. I should ask Marcel about it. He surely remembers.