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Neckbeard Deathcamp - So Much For The Tolerant Left review




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Band: Neckbeard Deathcamp
Album: So Much For The Tolerant Left
Release date: May 2019


01. Cucked 2: The Phantom Menace
02. Shitpostnacht
03. Operation NEET
04. What Are The Cargo Pockets For, Lanza? Extra Mags?
05. Horseshoe Theory
06. Bricks Out For Harambe
07. Tolerance Candle
08. Unironically Calling Someone The Untermensch From A Facebook Account With An Azumanga Daioh Profile Picture
09. Conservative Crybullying
10. /r/iamverysvart
11. Pozerfaust Division

There's no denying that we live right now in a very politically volatile time period, a fact that may lead more stoic individuals to sit neutrally on the sidelines watching the carnage of the ultra partisan dynamics at play in their societies unfold before them. Neckbeard Deathcamp, however, are certainly not such individuals.

You may recall this trio of self proclaimed "Fedora crushing militant black metal" from their 2018 debut, the aptly titled White Nationalism Is For Basement Dwelling Losers. Sure enough, they're at it again this year with the follow up, So Much For The Tolerant Left. With album and track titles so deliberately over the top and devoid of any form of subtlety, it shouldn't be too difficult to discern exactly who and what draws the ire of Neckbeard Deathcamp: far right, white nationalist views as well as individuals, organizations, and bands that promote or sympathize with them. Featuring track titles such as "Conservative Crybulling" and "Pozerfaust Division," it would be easy with this album to write Neckbeard Deathcamp as merely a far left, anti Nazi black metal band, but to do so may be ignoring a level of self parody present in the music as well. With members donning pseudonyms such as "Kreigmeister Hatestorm" and "Superkommando Uberweinersnitchel," it's pretty obvious that Neckbeard Deathcamp really don't even take themselves seriously, let alone white nationalism, and that they may even be poking a bit of fun at people of far left beliefs as well with their whole approach.

Being that their lyrical and aesthetic angle is so blatant and overbearing, it's easy for the music of Neckbeard Deathcamp to become completely overshadowed by their message. Certainly, the fact that their songwriting is very one dimensional and stripped of virtually any diversity or forward momentum between its tracks does little to aid in making their music appear more relevant. As with their debut, on So Much For The Tolerant Left, Neckbeard Deathcamp go for an extremely raw and abrasive black metal approach, in which riffs are pretty much recycled from elsewhere, bass is virtually inaudible, and the vocals are guttural to the point of likely being indecipherable even with a lyrics sheet in front of you. Barring the inclusion of two interlude type tracks and "Horseshoe Theory," which dips into harsh noise territory, the music of Neckbeard Deathcamp moves very little beyond this delivery, if at all.

Much like their debut, So Much For The Tolerant offers up many reasons for listeners to dismiss Neckbeard Deathcamp altogether: bias against the band's politics and a belief in one's own as superior, a perception of the band as "cringe worthy" while ignoring the hundreds of other black metal bands worthy of cringe, and/or a view of the songwriting as garbage due to its simplicity and lack of originality while ignoring the hundreds of other black metal bands who get by on a lack of sophistication and ripping off the ideas of their predecessors. To dismiss Neckbeard Deathcamp for any of these reasons, however, would likely be missing the point of what the band are doing, that being that their delivery is ultimately a lesson in how to respond to complete bullshit (read: white nationalism) with complete bullshit. As the message of Neckbeard Deathcamp is ugly, brutish, and unsophisticated, so too is their music, and in this way the band must be applauded for this sense of symmetry between the two if for no other reason.

Realistically speaking, with So Much For The Tolerant Left Neckbeard Deathcamp probably could have conjured up a sound as dynamic and layered as Darkspace or Wolves In The Throne Room if they really put their minds to it. They also could have come up with a lyrical manifesto explaining and justifying what they're doing a mile long, in the vein of Liturgy (US-NY) or The Meads Of Asphodel. But doing so would be to imply that white nationalists are even deserving of the time and effort required for generating so sophisticated and lengthy a response in the first place, something that Neckbeard Deathcamp clearly do not believe them worthy of. Instead, their response to this often over entitled, juvenile, and altogether outdated world view is to simply raise a digital middle finger high and snarl a loud, resounding "Fuck you!" And a lot of the time that's all it takes for getting the point across.

If you're up for some fun, not taking your musical taste too seriously for once, and enjoying a band making far right sympathizers salty on the Internet, I could not recommend this album highly enough.





Written on 26.05.2019 by Metal Storm’s own Babalao. Comforting the disturbed and disturbing the comfortable since 2013.


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29.05.2019 - 04:27
Auntie Sahar
Drone Empress
Written by flightoficarus on 28.05.2019 at 22:26

I don't personally see any redeeming quality of this band. There are just so many others out there for every potential facet of why you might listen. If you want a band that is funny, there are way funnier bands out there. If you want good black metal, you're not gonna find it here. If you want an anti-fascist message, there are dozens if not hundreds of bands doing that better as well. I mean at base I was willing to give these guys a chance as much as they make me cringe, but I just don't see the point. And maybe this is taking it too much into the realm of seriousness, but for all of the socialist imagery, they sure love to shill their merch at every opportunity.

As someone said above, I do totally understand this attitude and don't necessarily disagree with it, but to have it is indeed taking it too seriously, I think. As I kinda hinted at in the review, at many points with these guys it's hard to believe that they really even take themselves and their views all that seriously and I kinda get the impression that they may even deliberately be going out of the way to write poor music.

It's basically just the musical equivalent of responding to far right nonsense with a giant fart. And I might be a bit immature for saying so, but I actually kinda like that idea.
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29.05.2019 - 08:22
Rating: 6
no one

It's weird because as humorous as the music is, I've heard a few podcast interviews and they sound pretty serious.

I do think something like this needed to be done though, not to fight against the fascism in black metal, but at least to put the spotlight on it.
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30.05.2019 - 00:09
Aries Rising

Can someone enlighten me on the whole NSBM scene. I thought it was more or less dead? Or are people just labeling bands or musicians who are right leaning as national socialist and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill?
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30.05.2019 - 02:20
Auntie Sahar
Drone Empress
Written by Aries Rising on 30.05.2019 at 00:09

Can someone enlighten me on the whole NSBM scene. I thought it was more or less dead? Or are people just labeling bands or musicians who are right leaning as national socialist and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill?

Both. NSBM is definitely still a thing, but there is a bit of a Nazi witchhunt among certain elements of the metal community right now sort of over scrutinizing bands and lyrics for content that can be construed as Nazi-esque. Honestly as much as I will admit that that's a problem, I don't necessarily feel that sorry for bands whose content gets misinterpreted like that. If you're gonna flirt with Nazi or fascist type imagery/ideology with your lyrics or visual aesthetic, even if you don't believe in such ideas yourself, you gotta accept that some people are probably going to draw the conclusion that you're an actual Nazi, unfortunately or not.
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30.05.2019 - 03:36
Aries Rising

Written by Auntie Sahar on 30.05.2019 at 02:20

Written by Aries Rising on 30.05.2019 at 00:09

Can someone enlighten me on the whole NSBM scene. I thought it was more or less dead? Or are people just labeling bands or musicians who are right leaning as national socialist and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill?

Both. NSBM is definitely still a thing, but there is a bit of a Nazi witchhunt among certain elements of the metal community right now sort of over scrutinizing bands and lyrics for content that can be construed as Nazi-esque. Honestly as much as I will admit that that's a problem, I don't necessarily feel that sorry for bands whose content gets misinterpreted like that. If you're gonna flirt with Nazi or fascist type imagery/ideology with your lyrics or visual aesthetic, even if you don't believe in such ideas yourself, you gotta accept that some people are probably going to draw the conclusion that you're an actual Nazi, unfortunately or not.


Can you list some examples? I assume you mean bands like Marduk who write about WW2. I'd just like to know what bands to avoid since not all explicitly state they are NSBM. And what defines something as Nazi or fascist imagery or ideology when it comes to music?
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30.05.2019 - 08:38
Cynic Metalhead
Paisa Vich Nasha
Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 27.05.2019 at 17:54

I came here to talk about Azumanga Daioh.


But not Sailor Moon?

Anyway, I don't understand what is fascinating inside curvy animes.
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30.05.2019 - 09:06
Rating: 6
no one

Written by Aries Rising on 30.05.2019 at 03:36

Written by Auntie Sahar on 30.05.2019 at 02:20

Written by Aries Rising on 30.05.2019 at 00:09

Can someone enlighten me on the whole NSBM scene. I thought it was more or less dead? Or are people just labeling bands or musicians who are right leaning as national socialist and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill?

Both. NSBM is definitely still a thing, but there is a bit of a Nazi witchhunt among certain elements of the metal community right now sort of over scrutinizing bands and lyrics for content that can be construed as Nazi-esque. Honestly as much as I will admit that that's a problem, I don't necessarily feel that sorry for bands whose content gets misinterpreted like that. If you're gonna flirt with Nazi or fascist type imagery/ideology with your lyrics or visual aesthetic, even if you don't believe in such ideas yourself, you gotta accept that some people are probably going to draw the conclusion that you're an actual Nazi, unfortunately or not.


Can you list some examples? I assume you mean bands like Marduk who write about WW2. I'd just like to know what bands to avoid since not all explicitly state they are NSBM. And what defines something as Nazi or fascist imagery or ideology when it comes to music?

That could be a thread.
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30.05.2019 - 23:18
Auntie Sahar
Drone Empress
Written by Aries Rising on 30.05.2019 at 03:36

Can you list some examples? I assume you mean bands like Marduk who write about WW2. I'd just like to know what bands to avoid since not all explicitly state they are NSBM. And what defines something as Nazi or fascist imagery or ideology when it comes to music?

I'm not sure I'm the best person to ask this because I really don't go out of my way to listen to NSBM, and of that which I have listened to, I can't remember many bands as a lot of them were pretty poor quality. The only NSBM I'd say I really like is Nokturnal Mortum, but even their status as NSBM is questionable now because they "renounced" it a few years ago or whatever.

Marduk's an example of a band that isn't NSBM but flirts with Nazi/fascist imagery and aesthetics, yes. Deathspell Omega would be another, especially in the video for that track on their new album. And I recall there was some controversy with something Taake that got (unmerited) cries of "oh no that's Nazism!" a while ago as well, though I can't remember what specifically. Something with their on stage set up or something.
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31.05.2019 - 02:28
Rating: 6
no one

Horna and Mgla have also had shows canceled due to affiliation with nazi acts. Watain vocalists has a nice photo of him doing the nazi salute.
Bolzer vocalist has suncross tatts all over him, but they mean the other things apparently. He was flabbergasted when hit up for being nazi 🙄 but he seems to be the only one that flat out denies being a nazi. A lot of these accused bands don't seem to go out of there way to deny or prove they aren't racist.
Peste Noire seem to be a well liked band but I'm not that familiar with there music, there latest album cover is pretty self explanatory.
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31.05.2019 - 04:02
kingeryck

Written by no one on 29.05.2019 at 08:22

It's weird because as humorous as the music is, I've heard a few podcast interviews and they sound pretty serious.

I do think something like this needed to be done though, not to fight against the fascism in black metal, but at least to put the spotlight on it.


Maybe that's part of their shtick. Crazy music and then pretend it's really serious.
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01.06.2019 - 14:05
Starvynth
i c deaf people
Written by Aries Rising on 30.05.2019 at 00:09

Can someone enlighten me on the whole NSBM scene. I thought it was more or less dead? Or are people just labeling bands or musicians who are right leaning as national socialist and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill?

Good news: you wil not find any (die-hard) NSBM on Metal Storm.
Bad news: you will find it almost everywhere else.

In fact, there have never been more NSBM bands as at present. And I am not talking about right or far-right extremists, but about serious, overt NS worshipping.
Bands from this sub-genre carry names such as Hebrewdead, Jew Atomizer, Adolfkvlt, SS Reich, Buchenwald Oven, Gaskammer (gas chamber), Aryan Supremacy, Aryan Triumph, Aryan Blood, Aryan Honour, Aryan Tyrant, Aryan whatever - it's an endless list of scummy bastards.
Oftentimes, their cover artworks show concentration camps, mass graves, executions, swastikas and NS leaders. Some of them deny the Holocaust as if it never happened, some of them praise it and some of them even wish it would happen again.

Right now, Metal Archives has listed around 260 active NSBM bands here and here - there have never been more of them.

To answer your question: NSBM is not dead at all, it's a very vivid and growing movement.
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01.06.2019 - 14:43
LuciferOfGayness
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Written by Starvynth on 01.06.2019 at 14:05

Written by Aries Rising on 30.05.2019 at 00:09

Can someone enlighten me on the whole NSBM scene. I thought it was more or less dead? Or are people just labeling bands or musicians who are right leaning as national socialist and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill?

Good news: you wil not find any (die-hard) NSBM on Metal Storm.

There is probably a lot of nsbm here, but most of them are so bad that people dont find them. But if you look at some bands lyrics its quite obvious, this is from Mikko Aspas, Clandestine Blaze:

War!

Strike to the holy city
Crush jerusalem
Torture the followers
Of weakening god
Let the blood stream
Through dirty streets
Zionist cancer
Faces zero tolerance

Tearing down Jerusalem
Crushing Zionist Power
Victory of unholy forces
Our Victory!

Destruction!

Sky high flames
Napalm rain over jerusalem
Screaming victims
In agonizing pain
Destructive flames
Leave schorched earth
Zionist dream
Burned away

Tearing down Jerusalem
Crushing Zionist Power
Victory of unholy forces
Our Victory!
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01.06.2019 - 15:51
LuciferOfGayness
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Written by Auntie Sahar on 30.05.2019 at 23:18

Written by Aries Rising on 30.05.2019 at 03:36

Can you list some examples? I assume you mean bands like Marduk who write about WW2. I'd just like to know what bands to avoid since not all explicitly state they are NSBM. And what defines something as Nazi or fascist imagery or ideology when it comes to music?

Marduk's an example of a band that isn't NSBM but flirts with Nazi/fascist imagery and aesthetics, yes. Deathspell Omega would be another, especially in the video for that track on their new album. And I recall there was some controversy with something Taake that got (unmerited) cries of "oh no that's Nazism!" a while ago as well, though I can't remember what specifically. Something with their on stage set up or something.

Poor bands that dont get taken seriously as nazis. The latest DsO is a bit more than a flirt in my ears, what do you think these bands should do to be regular nazi black metal instead of just flirting nazi black metal?

And Taake had the swastika painted to his chest on stage. "Hey, look at me I am nazi but no one ever takes me seriously "
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02.06.2019 - 07:11
Rating: 1
SoUnDs LiKe PoP

Written by Aries Rising on 30.05.2019 at 00:09

Can someone enlighten me on the whole NSBM scene. I thought it was more or less dead? Or are people just labeling bands or musicians who are right leaning as national socialist and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill?


The second thing you said, basically. But if you check out the social media pages of ND, you'll see that they themselves are not simply anti-white supremacy, but very extreme themselves. I suppose that's the greatest irony, that they are simply the inverse of what they revile against. In other words, they are as hilariously pathetic as the far-right groups they mock

Fwiw, the issue with individuals like those in this band are not that they are anti-Nazi (nobody really likes Nazis, so their Nazi hate doesn't make them unique), the issue is that they label anybody who disagrees with their extreme and nuanced views as a "Nazi."
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02.06.2019 - 07:19
Rating: 1
SoUnDs LiKe PoP

Written by Guest on 01.06.2019 at 14:43

Written by Starvynth on 01.06.2019 at 14:05

Written by Aries Rising on 30.05.2019 at 00:09

Can someone enlighten me on the whole NSBM scene. I thought it was more or less dead? Or are people just labeling bands or musicians who are right leaning as national socialist and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill?

Good news: you wil not find any (die-hard) NSBM on Metal Storm.

There is probably a lot of nsbm here, but most of them are so bad that people dont find them. But if you look at some bands lyrics its quite obvious, this is from Mikko Aspas, Clandestine Blaze:

War!

Strike to the holy city
Crush jerusalem
Torture the followers
Of weakening god
Let the blood stream
Through dirty streets
Zionist cancer
Faces zero tolerance

Tearing down Jerusalem
Crushing Zionist Power
Victory of unholy forces
Our Victory!

Destruction!

Sky high flames
Napalm rain over jerusalem
Screaming victims
In agonizing pain
Destructive flames
Leave schorched earth
Zionist dream
Burned away

Tearing down Jerusalem
Crushing Zionist Power
Victory of unholy forces
Our Victory!


So in other words, what hundreds of bands on MS sing about regarding Christianity... but about a religion that isn't Christianity? I'm not even religious, and even I can see the hypocrisy. You can't just pick and choose which religions are and aren't okay to be intolerant towards, hate is hate.
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02.06.2019 - 08:58
LuciferOfGayness
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Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 02.06.2019 at 07:19

Written by Guest on 01.06.2019 at 14:43

Written by Starvynth on 01.06.2019 at 14:05

Written by Aries Rising on 30.05.2019 at 00:09

Can someone enlighten me on the whole NSBM scene. I thought it was more or less dead? Or are people just labeling bands or musicians who are right leaning as national socialist and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill?

Good news: you wil not find any (die-hard) NSBM on Metal Storm.

There is probably a lot of nsbm here, but most of them are so bad that people dont find them. But if you look at some bands lyrics its quite obvious, this is from Mikko Aspas, Clandestine Blaze:

War!

Strike to the holy city
Crush jerusalem
Torture the followers
Of weakening god
Let the blood stream
Through dirty streets
Zionist cancer
Faces zero tolerance

Tearing down Jerusalem
Crushing Zionist Power
Victory of unholy forces
Our Victory!

Destruction!

Sky high flames
Napalm rain over jerusalem
Screaming victims
In agonizing pain
Destructive flames
Leave schorched earth
Zionist dream
Burned away

Tearing down Jerusalem
Crushing Zionist Power
Victory of unholy forces
Our Victory!


So in other words, what hundreds of bands on MS sing about regarding Christianity... but about a religion that isn't Christianity? I'm not even religious, and even I can see the hypocrisy. You can't just pick and choose which religions are and aren't okay to be intolerant towards, hate is hate.

Yes, yes you can see hypocrisy, you can see, youre a good boy, blablabla. If you qoute someone please stick to the topic. I gave an example of a nsbm band on MS because the one who I qouted said there isnt any nsbm here.
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02.06.2019 - 16:14
Starvynth
i c deaf people
Written by Guest on 02.06.2019 at 08:58

If you qoute someone please stick to the topic. I gave an example of a nsbm band on MS because the one who I qouted said there isnt any nsbm here.

If you quote someone please stick to the entire content.

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you wil not find any (die-hard) NSBM on Metal Storm.

I'm quite familiar with the one you've quoted and I'm very sure he attached "die-hard" (read: obvious, extreme, overt, undeniable) for a particular reason.
Clandestine Blaze is most probably bordering most characteristics of NSBM and there can be no doubt concerning Mikko Aspa's fascist attitude and racist ideology, but labeling the complete band as NSBM smells like a rather hasty conclusion, even though he's the only member.

Sure, they have these anti-zionistic lyrics. They also have a shitload of anti-christian lyrics and if you're willing to dig very deep, you might as well find some anti-islam lyrics. Because just like The Meads Of Asphodel, they are against abrahamic religions. Are The Meads NSBM, too?

What I'm trying to say is that prejudices and prejudgement are integral elements of fascist and racist ideology and I have no intention to stoop down to 'their' level.
If you really do believe Clandestine Blaze to be NSBM: feel free to report them.
The next step is to ban their fans and to demonize users who've been adding their NSBM albums to the site's database.

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02.06.2019 - 16:42
LuciferOfGayness
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Written by Starvynth on 02.06.2019 at 16:14

Clandestine Blaze is most probably bordering most characteristics of NSBM and there can be no doubt concerning Mikko Aspa's fascist attitude and racist ideology, but labeling the complete band as NSBM smells like a rather hasty conclusion.

Sure, they have these anti-zionistic lyrics. They also have a shitload of anti-christian lyrics and if you're willing to dig very deep, you might as well find some anti-islam lyrics. Because just like The Meads Of Asphodel, they are against abrahamic religions. Are The Meads NSBM, too?

What I'm trying to say is that prejudices and prejudgement are integral elements of fascist and racist ideology and I have no intention to stoop down to 'their' level.

I have no clue on the lyrics of the bands that got removed from MS, or the ones that never got added because they are nsbm but I can smell double standards. Feel free to convince me othervise - give me an example of a band thats much worse lyricwise than the Clandestine Blaze lyrics above.
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02.06.2019 - 20:06
X-Ray Rod
Skandino
Mods can make mistakes and oversights like any other. You choose to call it double standard and do nothing about it. I suppose it's too difficult for you to contact the mods themselves and ask about an specific band.
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Written by Milena on 20.06.2012 at 10:49
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02.06.2019 - 20:36
Mercurial

Honestly, I'm more bothered that a band is using a Harambe meme in 2019.
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02.06.2019 - 21:27
Rating: 1
SoUnDs LiKe PoP

I can't wait until the extreme left causes MS to have to start taking down any band that sings intolerant lyrics about religion, removing 90% of bands on MS.
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02.06.2019 - 21:36
Vombatus
Potorro
I've always thought that the anti-NSBM policy on Metalstorm was not too consistent (and said so on certain threads), but I can't blame the site (and don't really care). The question of what qualifies as NSBM is often not clear, and will be totally subjective on some occasions unless your band goes by Aryan Blood or Gestapo 666.

As an example, The Meads of Asphodel have lyrics that are at least as "bad" as that Clandestine Blaze song (ie. Jew Killer or Aktion 4) but if taking into account the albums' concept, the song's context or what The Meads try to do as a whole throughout their career, it is dificult to accuse them unless you ignore the facts.

There are also a myriad of other bands that have been tagged at some point as "NSBM" because of imagery (Marduk), a live performance (Taake) or some dodgy thinking by the band members. Obvious example, Burzum but other bands can also fit the bill (Drudkh, Graveland). You also have bands that made it quite clear during their early days through lyrics (Nokturnal Mortum, Peste Noire or Satanic Warmaster) but that have since moved away from the NS-in-the-BM idea. MS only bans the later, even if others can be subject to "arbitrary" removal.

So I'm generally quite skeptical when accusations are happily thrown around, more so when nowadays terms such as "nazi" and "facist" have lost their inherent meaning, or that there seems to be a trend to associate many other ideas as automatically NS (ie. nationalism, racism, anti-zionism, etc... which could translate to NS, but not necessarily).
Even bands like WITTR (red-tree-hugging-hippies according to some), Moonsorrow or Tyr (seriously?) are not free of the over-zealous (false) blame.
It is quite clear a grain of salt is required. And further on, always makes me wonder why a sector of the metal community is so adamant and obsessed with searching national-socialism in lyrics, when there are other topics that aren't particularly "nice" that get the pass and free of scrutiny (and the "oh, those guys aren't serious" argument is just as flawed as the "I think this music video is pro-facist, I can smell it" argument).

M2C.
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02.06.2019 - 22:05
LuciferOfGayness
Account deleted
Written by X-Ray Rod on 02.06.2019 at 20:06

Mods can make mistakes and oversights like any other. You choose to call it double standard and do nothing about it. I suppose it's too difficult for you to contact the mods themselves and ask about an specific band.

Understand me right, I am probably more interested in peoples double standards than getting some band removed from here. If it was just one guy that held such standards I wouldnt bother, but when it seems to be the rule here for almost everyone here to defend some bands and some not, it amuses me.
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02.06.2019 - 22:47
X-Ray Rod
Skandino
Written by Guest on 02.06.2019 at 22:05
If it was just one guy that held such standards I wouldnt bother, but when it seems to be the rule here for almost everyone here to defend some bands and some not, it amuses me.

I honestly do not understand what you are talking about. Who are everyone? Is it the staff? Do you think there are many NSBM bands in our database that we have not cleaned up? I'm trying to understand because if I go through the lyrics of a band and I find them to have nazi tendencies, of course they will be brought up for discussion and they will get removed if the staff agrees. Many bands are added by non-staffers and unfortunately not properly checked up as they should. Call it "having a life outside MS" if you will.
The MS-policy regarding NS is lyrics-based only. Some people think that's ok. Some don't. But we try to be consistent on that or at least that's what I believe.

I can guarantee there is no one in the staff that has any problem in taking up a case if there is evidence. Clandestine Blaze is a good example, cuz I never heard the band besides by name and that Mikko is in it and recently with that large article about him and the Finnish NSBM movement.
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03.06.2019 - 00:36
Rating: 1
SoUnDs LiKe PoP

Written by Vombatus on 02.06.2019 at 21:36


So I'm generally quite skeptical when accusations are happily thrown around, more so when nowadays terms such as "nazi" and "facist" have lost their inherent meaning, or that there seems to be a trend to associate many other ideas as automatically NS (ie. nationalism, racism, anti-zionism, etc... which could translate to NS, but not necessarily).
Even bands like WITTR (red-tree-hugging-hippies according to some), Moonsorrow or Tyr (seriously?) are not free of the over-zealous (false) blame.



And this is exactly what I can't stand about ND (aside from the awful music). They aren't simply "anti-Nazi," they themselves are extremists who dub everything and everyone who doesn't agree with their nuanced ideology as a "Nazi" or "fascist." They are insolent children who are pretending to be on some holy crusade.
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03.06.2019 - 01:40
Auntie Sahar
Drone Empress
Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 02.06.2019 at 21:27

I can't wait until the extreme left causes MS to have to start taking down any band that sings intolerant lyrics about religion, removing 90% of bands on MS.

I can't wait until people stop over exaggerating what a problem the "extreme left" and "SJWs" are to the point that they would make something like what you're talking about actually happen.
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I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. “Come unto me” is a foolish word: for it is I that go.

~ II. VII
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03.06.2019 - 02:02
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SoUnDs LiKe PoP

Written by Auntie Sahar on 03.06.2019 at 01:40

Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 02.06.2019 at 21:27

I can't wait until the extreme left causes MS to have to start taking down any band that sings intolerant lyrics about religion, removing 90% of bands on MS.

I can't wait until people stop over exaggerating what a problem the "extreme left" and "SJWs" are to the point that they would make something like what you're talking about actually happen.


It's funny, because I'm making fun of the band that would actually throw MS under the bus publicly for having some of the bands it does on here, and yet you're telling me that I'm the real threat for doing so. Interesting takeaway, but okay.
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I lift weights and listen to metal
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03.06.2019 - 02:21
Auntie Sahar
Drone Empress
Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 03.06.2019 at 02:02

It's funny, because I'm making fun of the band that would actually throw MS under the bus publicly for having some of the bands it does on here, and yet you're telling me that I'm the real threat for doing so. Interesting takeaway, but okay.

"The band", or "the extreme left"? I can't really tell whether you're speaking generally about an entire movement, or just about this one band in particular.

Anyway, if it's the former, I was just pointing out how it's funny how people look at a few overreactions of metal fans to content from bands that can perceived as fascist and Nazi-esque to the point of boycotting or getting tours canceled and color it as a huge international conspiracy. The people doing that are still in a pretty extreme minority, there aren't armies of Antifa or PC police in the hundreds of thousands who are about to come stealing your CD collection and destroying your speakers because you listen to bands with fascist lyrics lol
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I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. “Come unto me” is a foolish word: for it is I that go.

~ II. VII
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03.06.2019 - 02:57
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SoUnDs LiKe PoP

Written by Auntie Sahar on 03.06.2019 at 02:21

Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 03.06.2019 at 02:02

It's funny, because I'm making fun of the band that would actually throw MS under the bus publicly for having some of the bands it does on here, and yet you're telling me that I'm the real threat for doing so. Interesting takeaway, but okay.

"The band", or "the extreme left"? I can't really tell whether you're speaking generally about an entire movement, or just about this one band in particular.

Anyway, if it's the former, I was just pointing out how it's funny how people look at a few overreactions of metal fans to content from bands that can perceived as fascist and Nazi-esque to the point of boycotting or getting tours canceled and color it as a huge international conspiracy. The people doing that are still in a pretty extreme minority, there aren't armies of Antifa or PC police in the hundreds of thousands who are about to come stealing your CD collection and destroying your speakers because you listen to bands with fascist lyrics lol


I'm pretty centrist in my ideologies, so I try to not sensationalize things. With that said, I think the influence of these fringe leftist groups is more powerful than you realize. And as I've articulated previously, the issue isn't that they are against Nazis (who the hell isn't?), it's that they are against anyone who doesn't fit their narrow-minded world view.
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I lift weights and listen to metal
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03.06.2019 - 05:59
Aries Rising

Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 03.06.2019 at 02:57

Written by Auntie Sahar on 03.06.2019 at 02:21

Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 03.06.2019 at 02:02

It's funny, because I'm making fun of the band that would actually throw MS under the bus publicly for having some of the bands it does on here, and yet you're telling me that I'm the real threat for doing so. Interesting takeaway, but okay.

"The band", or "the extreme left"? I can't really tell whether you're speaking generally about an entire movement, or just about this one band in particular.

Anyway, if it's the former, I was just pointing out how it's funny how people look at a few overreactions of metal fans to content from bands that can perceived as fascist and Nazi-esque to the point of boycotting or getting tours canceled and color it as a huge international conspiracy. The people doing that are still in a pretty extreme minority, there aren't armies of Antifa or PC police in the hundreds of thousands who are about to come stealing your CD collection and destroying your speakers because you listen to bands with fascist lyrics lol


I'm pretty centrist in my ideologies, so I try to not sensationalize things. With that said, I think the influence of these fringe leftist groups is more powerful than you realize. And as I've articulated previously, the issue isn't that they are against Nazis (who the hell isn't?), it's that they are against anyone who doesn't fit their narrow-minded world view.


Quote of the century, especially here in the USA these days. I grew up in California and going to university there I felt like I had to hide the fact that I wasn't a lefty. Especially during the Trump years. People thought it was the end of the world and if you were even just slightly to the right of them, you were branded the enemy. That is why I was curious about the whole NSBM label. As far as I knew that movement sort of died off the same was the KKK did, but apparently it's alive and well which I don't understand. How can anyone be for such a lousy and awful movement? I mean there's conservative and then there's that crap, I'd argue the two aren't even in the same ballpark.

And I'd add that these left groups have more influence than people realize. I got to watch lefty groups at my university run off right winged groups, JEWISH groups (due to being anti-Palestinian) and anyone who they thought engaged in wrongthink and the school not only turned a blind eye to it, but a lot of people supported it. Hell they ACTUALLY rioted when conservative speakers tried to come on campus after being invited to speak.
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