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Posted by meTalcoholic on 17.05.2006 at 03:21
I was not sure whether to put this thread in the Melodic Metal or in the General Music thread. I decided to put it there since the band is on Metal Storm. Feel free to move it if need be.

I personally love that band and wanted to see what people thought of them. In my opinion, Steve Wilson is a genius. As of right now, I particularely love Shesmovedon, Lazarus and The Sound of Muzak.



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IntepridTraveler

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From: The Netherlands

  08.01.2012 at 14:27
I think I still prefer their older work more, even though I do like their more rock-oriented newer work. Like Deadwing. There are some very nice songs on that one.
But if I had to choose between In Absentia and Deadwing, I'd choose In Absentia. It all feels much more consistent, complete and more original to me.
But the one that I like the most is The Sky Moves Sideways, there is not a single part of that album that bothers me.
It is closely followed by Up The Downstair. But the Staircase Infinities EP is also one that I really like, although it isn't an album. The EP is included on a second disc in my version of the Up The Downstair album. It is a bit underrated, imo.
Especially the song 'Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape' is a song that is among my favorite Porcupine Tree songs.
Anyone else who also loves that song?
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BloodTears
Stella Artois

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Age: 28
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  29.07.2012 at 20:27
To me, it's just a shame that Steven doesn't know what to do with Porcupine Tree right now. He said in an interview, I think last month, that he doesn't know what will be of PT. Why did he lose interest all of a sudden? It's scary.
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Unhealer
Eclecticist

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Age: 23
From: Argentina

  29.07.2012 at 21:38
Written by BloodTears on 29.07.2012 at 20:27

To me, it's just a shame that Steven doesn't know what to do with Porcupine Tree right now. He said in an interview, I think last month, that he doesn't know what will be of PT. Why did he lose interest all of a sudden? It's scary.


Can't you tell? He is obsessed with his solo project. He released an album last year and he is already going to release a DVD of the last tour and a new album almost simultaneously. And he also found stable members to make it an actual band, so I think you could say he is overexcited with his new toy.
Once he grows tired of it, he may remember he has this old toy that a lot of people is expecting him to revisit again...
BloodTears
Stella Artois

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  06.08.2012 at 19:57
Quote:

Can't you tell? He is obsessed with his solo project. He released an album last year and he is already going to release a DVD of the last tour and a new album almost simultaneously. And he also found stable members to make it an actual band, so I think you could say he is overexcited with his new toy.
Once he grows tired of it, he may remember he has this old toy that a lot of people is expecting him to revisit again...


Well, of course he is thinking about himself, I just think that it would be unfair to lay Porcupine Tree to rest to pursue a solo career that would never happen if PT didn't exist. I'm also being selfish because I want more PT
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Altberg616

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  09.08.2012 at 18:01
Porcupine Tree have a great sound, debatable of how 'metal' they are though.
Lit.
Brütal Legend

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  11.08.2012 at 03:24
Written by Altberg616 on 09.08.2012 at 18:01

Porcupine Tree have a great sound, debatable of how 'metal' they are though.

Listen to Fear Of A Blank Planet and everything after and that should ease your debate.
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Unhealer
Eclecticist

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Age: 23
From: Argentina

  11.08.2012 at 07:49
Written by Lit. on 11.08.2012 at 03:24

Listen to Fear Of A Blank Planet and everything after and that should ease your debate.


Nah, I agree with him, this band fits better in a prog rock tag. Metal is just an influence and that record is where it's most present, but it was tuned down again for The Indicent.
Stabby

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  11.08.2012 at 08:10
Having some heavy riffs and dark melodies isn't sufficient to make a band metal, I agree, they're rock. Metalstorm is awesome for having profiles of bands like Porcupine Tree and Rush who only step ever so slightly into the world of metal at times. They appeal to a lot of metalheads, that's for sure. Now that I think about it I never questioned whether or not Porcupine Tree should have been in the prog metal section. It just fits, even though they're rock. Maybe it's more of a cultural thing than a musical thing. It's like with Rush, when I went to see them there were tons of people in metal band shirts. Metal fans, except for the ones who never listen to anything except for extreme metal, tend to embrace some non-metal bands that can get heavy at times. A rock band that is just as appealing to a lot of people who listen to mostly metal is a rarity.
R'Vannith
Spiralmind

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Age: 22
From: Australia

  11.08.2012 at 13:21
I think how they've been labelled on here is fair, with their transition to progressive metal with the release of Deadwing. There is a significant metal element there but still, PT are one of those nice borderline cases, which can appeal to fans of both genres, prog rock and metal. Progressive rock is what they truly are.
Dentura
Shadow King

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  04.10.2012 at 09:53
Written by BloodTears on 29.07.2012 at 20:27

To me, it's just a shame that Steven doesn't know what to do with Porcupine Tree right now. He said in an interview, I think last month, that he doesn't know what will be of PT. Why did he lose interest all of a sudden? It's scary.


That is a scary thought indeed. Maybe he thinks the band has run its course? I still think the band has a few more tricks up their sleeve, maybe they just don't know it yet. If Porcupine Tree ever breaks up, I hope Steven is able to release more of his solo albums at the very least.
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K†ulu
Seeker of Truth

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  10.10.2012 at 18:41
An awesome read, just like anything with Steven Wilson: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=42991&page=1. This interview/article, besides other great information, will answer your questions about why Steven is not doing anything PT at the moment...
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tea[m]ster
Au Pays Natal

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  10.10.2012 at 20:25
Written by K†ulu on 10.10.2012 at 18:41

Steven is not doing anything PT at the moment...


Does it say when he will?
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K†ulu
Seeker of Truth

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  11.10.2012 at 23:36
Written by tea[m]ster on 10.10.2012 at 20:25

Written by K†ulu on 10.10.2012 at 18:41

Steven is not doing anything PT at the moment...


Does it say when he will?

No, he simply does not feel he can do anything good with PT at the moment...
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But may be tomorrow

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trattorino

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From: Italy
  22.10.2012 at 12:58
I Think Steven is no more interested/inspired in writing songs in the style of PT...The Incident was a let down to me...not that inspired record.
Nosurper
Stinky Lips

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  06.03.2013 at 03:15
Bump. Anyone familiar with Steven Wilson's solo stuff? Including his new album that was released recently (The Raven That Refused to Sing (And Other Stories)). I liked "Drive Home" but I've been on a Steven Wilson drought ever since The Incident. I don't know where to start with his three solo albums. I will say that I am at least intrigued with this release. "The Holy Drinker" I heard as background to television but it seemed appealing. My only queries are whether I should start with The Raven or one of the other earlier two, and what characteristics create contrast between the three albums. AND what similarites, if any, there are to Porcupine Tree in his solo stuff. Thanks to anyone that is willing to share their knowledge.
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Shadow King

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  06.03.2013 at 19:34
Written by Nosurper on 06.03.2013 at 03:15

Bump. Anyone familiar with Steven Wilson's solo stuff? Including his new album that was released recently (The Raven That Refused to Sing (And Other Stories)). I liked "Drive Home" but I've been on a Steven Wilson drought ever since The Incident. I don't know where to start with his three solo albums. I will say that I am at least intrigued with this release. "The Holy Drinker" I heard as background to television but it seemed appealing. My only queries are whether I should start with The Raven or one of the other earlier two, and what characteristics create contrast between the three albums. AND what similarites, if any, there are to Porcupine Tree in his solo stuff. Thanks to anyone that is willing to share their knowledge.

I love his solo material, even though I've only heard 2 out of 3 of his albums (the latest 2). I need to go back and listen to his first one. I guess The Raven is definitely not a bad start, I personally heard a little bit of Grace for Drowning first, but that's just me. The Raven is definitely much more proggy than his previous two albums, which sound a bit more similar to the PT sound. I'm actually taking my girlfriend to see them live on May 10 in LA.
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Jaeryd17‍
Desert Mouse

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  06.03.2013 at 23:11
Written by Lit. on 11.08.2012 at 03:24

Written by Altberg616 on 09.08.2012 at 18:01

Porcupine Tree have a great sound, debatable of how 'metal' they are though.

Listen to Fear Of A Blank Planet and everything after and that should ease your debate.

"Fear of a Blank Planet and everything after..."
You mean Fear of a Blank Planet and The Incident? There's only one album in that "everything after" you're talking about...

Anyway, I don't really think they're all that metal either, though you can hear some metal elements on a few In Absentia tracks, plenty of metal sounds on Fear of a Blank Planet, and a bit more metallic sounds on The Incident.

Whether or not Porcupine Tree is metal, I'm still glad they're on Metal Storm. As I think someone else has said, the real reason that they're on Metal Storm is not necessarily because they're metal, but because there's not many other rock bands that are so readily liked by so many metalheads.
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Warpig17

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From: USA
  08.03.2013 at 19:58
Written by Nosurper on 06.03.2013 at 03:15

Bump. Anyone familiar with Steven Wilson's solo stuff? Including his new album that was released recently (The Raven That Refused to Sing (And Other Stories)). I liked "Drive Home" but I've been on a Steven Wilson drought ever since The Incident. I don't know where to start with his three solo albums. I will say that I am at least intrigued with this release. "The Holy Drinker" I heard as background to television but it seemed appealing. My only queries are whether I should start with The Raven or one of the other earlier two, and what characteristics create contrast between the three albums. AND what similarites, if any, there are to Porcupine Tree in his solo stuff. Thanks to anyone that is willing to share their knowledge.

All 3 of his albums have their own identity and I think they're all exceptional albums that are on par with PT's best. The Raven might be the easiest to jump into as it's only 6 songs and less than an hour play time. I personally prefer Grace for Drowning but some people may find it to drag. (It's an hour and twenty-three minutes long) Insurgentes is also good. A good way to get into his solo work would be to watch the new dvd "Get all you deserve." He plays all his best songs and the quality is really good.

As for whether or not Steven will come back to PT, I think he will but we need to give him time. As you can tell in interviews, he's happy with his solo work and just not feeling PT right now. We don't want to rush him and have him make a more uninspired album than The Incident. (Which I liked btw)
Andro Maximus

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Age: 24
From: Estonia

  19.06.2014 at 09:16
I am having serious trouble getting into this band. I have listened to all of their most acclaimed albums repeatedly, but I just don't get it. Am I missing something, PT fans? What's so great about Porcupine Tree (apart from the name)? What am I missing? What should I even be looking for? I want to like this band, they are obviously skillful musicians, who deserve my attention, but at the moment I just don't see how anything they have done is top 50 of all time material.
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RavenEffect

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Age: 27
From: Portugal

  19.06.2014 at 16:21
Well, theres no magic answer there bud, if you dont like it, thats it...you dont like it. You cant force yourself to find an angle that will make you like this since, again, we are navigating in "personal taste" waters.

But what is so great about PT? Well, to begin with, they're one of the most important Progressive Acts to emerge from the 90's that ended up shaping a lot of what we today describe as Modern Progressive Metal. The level of musicianship is, at worst, really tight and at best, Insanelly Good (Specially after Gavin came on board).

But the number one reason why PT is so great has to be Steven Wilson. He is one of the most respected Workaholics in music nowadays and between the participations with Opeth, his work as a producer and sound engineer and his own Solo Carreer, he certainly deserved that title. Theres a reason why he is probably on the top of the Progressive World and your reason to dislike PT may very well come to that, your mind being opened to Progressive Music.
Ganondox

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Age: 18
From: USA

  20.06.2014 at 15:42
Okay, as a little bit peeve of mine, it's annoying me that people are saying PT is rock, not metal, because if you're going to say metal isn't rock, than prog isn't rock either. They are clearly a prog band, more progressive rock than progressive metal, but clearly based in prog, not general rock. Anyway, I agree Lazarus is really good, one of my favorite songs ever.

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