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Posted by Konrad on 13.08.2007 at 14:14
...and here it is

With much pontificating on whether to even start this one, (due to the anticipation of a major headache), I present to you the official thread of the 2008 U.S. Presidential election. I am just too damn interested in seeing what everyone (U.S. and non-U.S. citizens alike) thinks. I would like for all of us to approach this in an atypical matter. DO NOT discuss petty issues that are discussed every day by various media outlets. (Abortion, Same-Sex Marriage, Etc.) Such issues have been presented to us with intent to take our minds off of things that are actually important.

Feel free to grace us with your opinions of the Political Candidates, Political Debates, Important Issues such as solutions for Iraq, The role that the U.S. will play in the world, Etc. Try also not to look only 4 years into the future...that is what has gotten the U.S. into so much trouble in the past...

Go 'lite' on posting or quoting tons of links to other sights. Everything should come from yourself...and please keep the personal insults to a minimum...we all (hopefully) have the same goal to make the world a better place. Unfortunately that peace is currently being halted by greedy politicians. Remember to keep the big question in mind: What political figure would be the best for the entire Global community and why? Go at it fools!



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Marcel Hubregtse
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  28.01.2009 at 02:21
@Italics Bush's administration made it out to be to be he got the popular vote the seconde time arund around when in fact he didn't, so please sleep tight.

As for Obama...

I hopr you will realise soon what a Godsend he is compared to the last couple of presidents before him (and yes I also mean compared to CLinton)
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Italics

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  28.01.2009 at 02:28
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.01.2009 at 02:21

@Italics Bush's administration made it out to be to be he got the popular vote the seconde time arund around when in fact he didn't, so please sleep tight.




Naive lately?

What a load of crap. The administration? Did you mean the counted votes?

The only thing more pathetic than making a completely false statement... is then trying to actually PROVE that false statement instead of humbly acknowledging that you were wrong.
Pathetic.
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Anthem

Posts: 674
From: USA

  28.01.2009 at 06:21
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A fact TO ALL WHO hate George for reason such as, He lied, he misled, Bush lied people died, there were no wmds, etc.....


etc etc etc...

There is an Associated Press story of 2008 that reports The U.S. secretly removed the remaining remnants of Uranium from Iraq and it was sold to Canada for energy purposes. Now this story is real... this story proves Iraq had wmd material, this story redeems GWB.

You may disagree with the war, or removing Saddam but you can NO LONGER SAY BUSH LIED.

I would love to hear from those of you whom base their hatred of GWB on the Iraqi lie quote unquote


here is a web link to the story http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=5314609
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Fhuesc

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Age: 34
From: Mexico

  28.01.2009 at 06:47
Written by Anthem on 28.01.2009 at 06:21

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A fact TO ALL WHO hate George for reason such as, He lied, he misled, Bush lied people died, there were no wmds, etc.....


etc etc etc...

There is an Associated Press story of 2008 that reports The U.S. secretly removed the remaining remnants of Uranium from Iraq and it was sold to Canada for energy purposes. Now this story is real... this story proves Iraq had wmd material, this story redeems GWB.

You may disagree with the war, or removing Saddam but you can NO LONGER SAY BUSH LIED.

I would love to hear from those of you whom base their hatred of GWB on the Iraqi lie quote unquote


here is a web link to the story http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=5314609

By chance, they didn't discovered the secret lair of Santa, do they?
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Introspekrieg
Totemic Lust

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From: USA

  28.01.2009 at 07:12
Written by Anthem on 28.01.2009 at 06:21

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A fact TO ALL WHO hate George for reason such as, He lied, he misled, Bush lied people died, there were no wmds, etc.....


etc etc etc...

There is an Associated Press story of 2008 that reports The U.S. secretly removed the remaining remnants of Uranium from Iraq and it was sold to Canada for energy purposes. Now this story is real... this story proves Iraq had wmd material, this story redeems GWB.

You may disagree with the war, or removing Saddam but you can NO LONGER SAY BUSH LIED.

I would love to hear from those of you whom base their hatred of GWB on the Iraqi lie quote unquote


here is a web link to the story http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=5314609


"Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said." (p. 2)

Personally, I'm glad the fucker is gone but if this cleared our actions to the international community I think it would have a little more exposure than that, I mean this is from July 5, 2008! This would have been prime Republican candidate boosting... (even FOX should have least made everyone aware of this) That shit was there even before Bush Sr.
Sunioj

Posts: 3894

Age: 27
From: Israel

  28.01.2009 at 12:44
I'm pretty happy that Obama lifted the sanction or 'gag order' on the sharing of information about abortion for NGOs and other medical institutions worldwide (instituted by Bush). Basically, if a foreign NGO receives funding for medical purposes from the states, they aren't allowed to educate people about abortion. Hopefully, he will also liquidate the millions of dollars poured into abstinence programs initiated by the bush administration as well. I can't believe what a farce some of these policies are.
PsychoNerd

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Age: 22
From: Australia

  27.02.2009 at 01:16
Obamas gonna make a difference, he's not a military man and is gonna change alot of things.
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ToMegaTherion

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  17.03.2009 at 16:02
All I can say is thank god the world dosen't have to deal with another Republican government. Bush did enough damage to world politics and the stability of the middle east and asia.
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Konrad
Mormon Storm

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Age: 29
From: USA

  17.03.2009 at 17:46
Don't most of you understand that although our media is portrayed to be mainly "Liberal" with the exception of Fox News, which is "Conservative", and the political parties claim to be LEFT, SLIGHTLY left of center, center, slightly right, and right...etc. that in reality the Republicans are neo-conservatives and the "liberals" or democrats are fairly to quite conservative. We lack depth and difference of opinion in our government, and although I like Obama as a person, he will certainly not be able to accomplish most of the things we are expecting, or even he himself is expecting. Supercapitilist corporations own this place, and they are going to use and extort us to get short term profit with absolutely no care for the disasterous consequences that will follow.

You can't blame Bush for the mess we are in...blame the international corporations and banks, who have the president's advisors on their payrolls...do you really think a president is responsible for all of the ideas and policies of the government? Yes, they have the final say on things so they do deserve much of the credit/fault, but you could blame all of the presidents in the 20th century and justify it.

We are staying the steady course...
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ToMegaTherion

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Age: 27
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  18.03.2009 at 01:14
Written by Konrad on 17.03.2009 at 17:46


You can't blame Bush for the mess we are in...blame the international corporations and banks, who have the president's advisors on their payrolls...do you really think a president is responsible for all of the ideas and policies of the government? Yes, they have the final say on things so they do deserve much of the credit/fault, but you could blame all of the presidents in the 20th century and justify it.

We are staying the steady course...

Bush has had 8 years to do something about a looming economic crisis that has been predicted for the last 5 years now. General Motors has been running in the red for well over 20 years and still the US government kept giving them money. Bush gave the big hand out of cash before he left office, that money went into the pockets of CEO's then they retired with a nice bug fat paycheck.
While all this was happening Bush was off chasing oil and imaginary WMD's in Iraq. So I will blame Bush, because the President of the USA has the power to say no, and the President has the power to alter policy. Even if it then has to pass senate, it is Bush who has the final say.
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ThunderAxe1989
Irreligious

Posts: 7282

Age: 25
From: Bahamas

  01.05.2009 at 05:09
It is said that FOX is conservative and all the other networks are liberal.

but the way FOX delivers their stories, they make it so blatantly obvious that they're bias. I can't stand them! FOX news literally makes me feel a little nauseous.
Conservatives have told me that FOX is owned by an Australian so it's "unbiased" is that true?
Dane Train
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From: USA

  01.05.2009 at 20:46
Written by ThunderAxe1989 on 01.05.2009 at 05:09

It is said that FOX is conservative and all the other networks are liberal.

but the way FOX delivers their stories, they make it so blatantly obvious that they're bias. I can't stand them! FOX news literally makes me feel a little nauseous.
Conservatives have told me that FOX is owned by an Australian so it's "unbiased" is that true?



All of the news networks are bias. FOX is over conservative. CNN is over liberal. The stations do nothing but push agendas. It is really sad.
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Ph0eNiX
Fire from Above

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Age: 34
From: USA

  03.05.2009 at 12:07
Not only that but the networks also push what the sponsors want them to as well. Anyone who is providing a network money also is providing the network with an opinion. These sponsors also have an agenda to help those in government with support. This is one hand washing the other type stuff.

It's why you also see celebrity bullshit ini the media. It's not really news it's filler. Since american society is addicted to drama we're more concerned with the latest piss about somone who's famous that what's going on with the government. The problem is alsso that the government will only let on so much of what it is doing. So basically the news is one big theatrical smoke screen of events.
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Konrad
Mormon Storm

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Age: 29
From: USA

  06.05.2009 at 21:11
Written by ToMegaTherion on 18.03.2009 at 01:14

Written by Konrad on 17.03.2009 at 17:46


You can't blame Bush for the mess we are in...blame the international corporations and banks, who have the president's advisors on their payrolls...do you really think a president is responsible for all of the ideas and policies of the government? Yes, they have the final say on things so they do deserve much of the credit/fault, but you could blame all of the presidents in the 20th century and justify it.

We are staying the steady course...

Bush has had 8 years to do something about a looming economic crisis that has been predicted for the last 5 years now. General Motors has been running in the red for well over 20 years and still the US government kept giving them money. Bush gave the big hand out of cash before he left office, that money went into the pockets of CEO's then they retired with a nice bug fat paycheck.
While all this was happening Bush was off chasing oil and imaginary WMD's in Iraq. So I will blame Bush, because the President of the USA has the power to say no, and the President has the power to alter policy. Even if it then has to pass senate, it is Bush who has the final say.


You are missing the point. Obama is doing the same thing as Bush with all of these bailouts. ALL of his cabinet, despite what he promised, is big business and lobbyists. That's why you can't waste time, energy and effort hating the players. Hate the game son!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUNylW4bC1I

KRS says it better than I could.
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Konrad
Mormon Storm

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Age: 29
From: USA

  06.05.2009 at 21:17
Written by Dane Train on 01.05.2009 at 20:46

Written by ThunderAxe1989 on 01.05.2009 at 05:09

It is said that FOX is conservative and all the other networks are liberal.

but the way FOX delivers their stories, they make it so blatantly obvious that they're bias. I can't stand them! FOX news literally makes me feel a little nauseous.
Conservatives have told me that FOX is owned by an Australian so it's "unbiased" is that true?



All of the news networks are bias. FOX is over conservative. CNN is over liberal. The stations do nothing but push agendas. It is really sad.


Incorrect. Fox is Ultra-Conservative true, but CNN and other American news sources...although they lie and pretend to take "liberal" stances on things that don't matter, they are also moderately to quite conservative. We really don't know anything else in the U.S., and it takes breaking from that cloud of fog to see it.

MSNBC for example is owned by GENERAL ELECTRIC, who is one of the leaders of the Military Industrial Complex.

Fox News is of course owned by Rupert Murdock, but the point is not whether a station is "Liberal" or "Conservative". Those words are used incredibly false in our country, and the networks, along with politicians attempt to create this fake competition between themselves so that we are disallusioned and cannot really see that they are out to achieve the same goals.

I like www.infowars.com. I don't think that EVERYTHING is a conspiracy for one world government, but I know that Alex Jones is a least an honest person and will present FACTS. I still think it's important to watch Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and BBC on occasion just to see what they are trying to feed to the masses...but one MUST see that before he gets involved with trying to pick the "best" news source out of the mainstream ones.
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Fhuesc

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Age: 34
From: Mexico

  07.05.2009 at 05:20
US elections were 6 months ago, i dont see a reason to keep this thread open
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Konrad
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From: USA

  07.05.2009 at 05:24
We can still talk about it even if it was in 1950. I felt it went off topic, so I started a new thread about the Mainstream Media.
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Kap'N Korrupt
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  07.05.2009 at 08:34
I guess this thread is still open because the whole concept that it's this person as the President of the USA and what's he's doing is still being treated as a big deal...
Ernis
狼獾

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From: Estonia

  07.05.2009 at 09:17
So far as I've seen Obama and Meidbheidebh seem to be on good terms which means that the US and Russia have started to cooperate on more levels this time....when the two big bitches are cool with each other, there's more order into all this and issues such as N-Korea and pew pow nuclear Iran can be handled more easily...

As for Obama, he seems to be quite an enlightened person indeed....you go to any bookstore in Beijing and find piles of ideological/biographical books about Obama (and possibly from Obama)....books with his smiling face and straightforward quotes can be bought from most merchants on random streets.... 奥巴马加油!
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Konrad
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From: USA

  07.05.2009 at 09:58
Obama is definitely likeable...the problem is he really doesn't control anything. It's an interesting situation...he could control stuff, but in reality he knows he can't. I like him as a person so far...the problem is, the people who control the money control the system. Example: John F. Kennedy. He tried to abolish the Federal Reserve and look what happened right before he could sign the bill.
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wormdrink414

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Age: 23
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  28.01.2010 at 04:04
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.01.2009 at 02:21


As for Obama...

I hopr you will realise soon what a Godsend he is compared to the last couple of presidents before him (and yes I also mean compared to CLinton)


Clinton is a conservative liar and Bush is a dumb bastard. I fully agree. Granted, what makes Mr. Obama a godsend isn't a much-needed leftism, but his seemingly a-political nature as a leader (not to mention his remarkable command of the English language). He has, so far, accomplished little but the fact that he has distanced himself from the liberal left by sending more troops to Afghanistan is all too good a sign. It's too bad that he isn't actually a socialist.
TheBigRossowski
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From: Germany

  04.02.2010 at 12:58
Written by wormdrink414 on 28.01.2010 at 04:04

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.01.2009 at 02:21


As for Obama...

I hopr you will realise soon what a Godsend he is compared to the last couple of presidents before him (and yes I also mean compared to CLinton)


Clinton is a conservative liar and Bush is a dumb bastard. I fully agree. Granted, what makes Mr. Obama a godsend isn't a much-needed leftism, but his seemingly a-political nature as a leader (not to mention his remarkable command of the English language). He has, so far, accomplished little but the fact that he has distanced himself from the liberal left by sending more troops to Afghanistan is all too good a sign. It's too bad that he isn't actually a socialist.


No, he's a Nihilist, man. They kept saying they believe in nothing. Good that when I come across your posts, it's the last one, so I actually have a decent reason for quoting you, lol.

And also Obama's stance on science makes me happy. Who knows how things might have been if McCain had come into office, ugh.
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Konrad
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Age: 29
From: USA

  26.03.2010 at 19:41
Written by TheBigRossowski on 04.02.2010 at 12:58

Written by wormdrink414 on 28.01.2010 at 04:04

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.01.2009 at 02:21


As for Obama...

I hopr you will realise soon what a Godsend he is compared to the last couple of presidents before him (and yes I also mean compared to CLinton)


Clinton is a conservative liar and Bush is a dumb bastard. I fully agree. Granted, what makes Mr. Obama a godsend isn't a much-needed leftism, but his seemingly a-political nature as a leader (not to mention his remarkable command of the English language). He has, so far, accomplished little but the fact that he has distanced himself from the liberal left by sending more troops to Afghanistan is all too good a sign. It's too bad that he isn't actually a socialist.


No, he's a Nihilist, man. They kept saying they believe in nothing. Good that when I come across your posts, it's the last one, so I actually have a decent reason for quoting you, lol.

And also Obama's stance on science makes me happy. Who knows how things might have been if McCain had come into office, ugh.


McCain just wrote a piece of legislation that attempting to privatize vitamins, and natural health supplements by taxing them and making them require government approval. Lol what a fucktard.

Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.
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Ellrohir
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  26.03.2010 at 20:09
Well...half of your country likes strong (republican) government...here you go
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Konrad
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  27.03.2010 at 02:25
Written by Ellrohir on 26.03.2010 at 20:09

Well...half of your country likes strong (republican) government...here you go


No. More than 3/4 of the country doesn't understand that both parties tend to support big government, just in different ways. The Democrats are more open about wanting big government, whereas the Republicans try to conceal it. Both of the parties support big government...but they didn't always. The republican party actually used to limit government quite regularly. All of this dem-repub. is just nonsense now.
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TheBigRossowski
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  27.03.2010 at 11:38
Written by Ellrohir on 26.03.2010 at 20:09

Well...half of your country likes strong (republican) government...here you go


Well, 44% of Americans are creationists according to the Gallup Poll... so, what does that really say about the public's opinion?
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Konrad
Mormon Storm

Posts: 705

Age: 29
From: USA

  28.03.2010 at 05:00
Written by TheBigRossowski on 27.03.2010 at 11:38

Written by Ellrohir on 26.03.2010 at 20:09

Well...half of your country likes strong (republican) government...here you go


Well, 44% of Americans are creationists according to the Gallup Poll... so, what does that really say about the public's opinion?


Define creationist. Just because one believes that there is some purpose for us being here and that it wasn't a spontaneous or random accident doesn't mean they believe the earth is 6,000 years old.
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ErnilEnNaur
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  22.07.2010 at 09:27
Written by Konrad on 28.03.2010 at 05:00

Written by TheBigRossowski on 27.03.2010 at 11:38

Written by Ellrohir on 26.03.2010 at 20:09

Well...half of your country likes strong (republican) government...here you go


Well, 44% of Americans are creationists according to the Gallup Poll... so, what does that really say about the public's opinion?


Define creationist. Just because one believes that there is some purpose for us being here and that it wasn't a spontaneous or random accident doesn't mean they believe the earth is 6,000 years old.


A distinction must be made between Young Earth Creationists and Old Earth Creationists. The YEC believe the Heavens, Earth and all life were created about 6000 - 10000 years ago in six 24 hour days. The YEC take the Genesis account literally.

The OEC approach the same account in several different ways. Some of them believe the days were not 24 h days, because the Hebrew word for "day" (yom) can be interpreted in this context to mean a long period of time (thousands or millions of years) rather than a 24-hour day. Progressive Creationism believes that God allows certain natural process (such as gene mutation and natural selection) to affect the development of life, but has also directly intervened at key moments in life's history to guide those processes or, in some views, create new species altogether (often to replenish the earth).

Either way, Creationism is an argument from dogma, both YEC and OEC look at the scripture first and then look at scientific discoveries (if they look at all), but I believe a distinction must be made between the two.

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