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Posted by BreadGod on 04.09.2007 at 00:51
There was a thread about this a long time ago, but it was locked due to the people posting there being incompetent. This is a very touchy subject, I know, but I want people to at least attempt to act in a civilized matter when discussing this. Flamewars are forbidden, and anyone attempting to start a flamewar will be doused in a chemical bath. With all of this out of the way, let's discuss our views on this subject.

Personally, I have no quarrels with someone being gay, or even bisexual for that matter. To each his own. They are not the monsters that religions make them out to be. They walk, talk, and think just like anyone else, and they have a great plethora of ideas to contribute to society. They are also just as intelligent as everyone else, and they have the same concerns and worries as any other person. As a real life example, my mother's hair dresser (who is also my hair dresser, which explains why my hair is so beautiful) is gay, but he is quite the upstanding fellow, and is quite intelligent. In short, I greatly respect the gay community and I wish to see them claim the same rights as everyone else.

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  08.01.2012 at 02:33
Written by Milena on 08.01.2012 at 01:28

Maybe my example is a bit extreme but look around you and see how many people have grew up with parents in a gender-equal, loving marriage/relationship. It's no wonder a lot of gays come from those families, a lot of people come from those families too.

Sorry, but I didn't get your message very well. Yep, many families are unhappy and have problems. Of course, not all of them produce homosexual kids. However, unhappy families do leave marks on kids. It's inevitable.
Anyways, it's just that most homosexual people have those roots in family. It's all very complicated and it's hard to draw definitive conclusions. However, one thing is sure, one ain't born this way. No matter what Lady Gaga sings. You could then say that people are born kleptomaniacs/claustrophobics/agoraphobics or whatnot... you could also say that people are born rapists or paedophiles or zoophiles. Why do people say that homosexuality is something that one is "born with" when it hasn't been even proven.
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  08.01.2012 at 02:38
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Well, my point was that, if a lot of families in the world aren't happy, that means that naturally a lot of gays will come from troubled families. And about being born with it... we obviously can't reach a conclusion but a lot of gay people say that, in retrospective, they could say that they've always felt "queer" and "inappropriate".
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  08.01.2012 at 02:41
Written by Milena on 08.01.2012 at 02:38

Well, my point was that, if a lot of families in the world aren't happy, that means that naturally a lot of gays will come from troubled families. And about being born with it... we obviously can't reach a conclusion but a lot of gay people say that, in retrospective, they could say that they've always felt "queer" and "inappropriate".

Maybe yes. We'll probably never know.
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  08.01.2012 at 02:44
Written by Milena on 08.01.2012 at 02:38
they could say that they've always felt "queer" and "inappropriate".


Lols, I did not think of any deep shit until I was like 7 and I'm probably overreacting. Kids can barely locate their genitals at that age.
The thing is that I have a hard time thinking that they felt that way when they were little kids XP. But oh well... I'm down with homosexuals and bisexuals... Don't really care about it. I will never believe that you are born that way thought, unless until it's totally proven.
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  08.01.2012 at 02:51
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Lols, I did not think of any deep shit until I was like 7 and I'm probably overreacting. Kids can barely locate their genitals at that age.
The thing is that I have a hard time thinking that they felt that way when they were little kids XP. But oh well... I'm down with homosexuals and bisexuals... Don't really care about it. I will never believe that you are born that way thought, unless until it's totally proven.

I'm not saying sexually, I'm just saying... I've meant that, when they were kids, they've always felt a bit "off" about themselves. When you were a kid, when something important was going around you, could you feel the atmosphere? Could you feel that something is strange about people? Something similar went on with them.

And just so before anyone judges these comments, I'm a straight person who is pro-gay rights. But I think that, in an almost straight world, their sexual orientation, while it is not a sickness or deviation or anything like that, is certainly a peculiar thing and could be discussed as such.
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  08.01.2012 at 02:55
Written by Milena on 08.01.2012 at 02:51
Could you feel that something is strange about people?


Of course, I felt they were all fucking idiots
But yeah, I'm hetereo, one of my best pals in Chile is gay (AND cheerleader)... yeah, I'm cool with them.
I just like to poke around the subject when I hear someone say that it's totally natural. That's when I say "...no".
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  08.01.2012 at 02:57
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...it's totally natural. That's when I say "...no".

Well, actually, animals are gay in the same percentage as people, if we're gonna be butthurt (no pun intended!) about it
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  08.01.2012 at 02:59
Written by Milena on 08.01.2012 at 02:57
Well, actually, animals are gay in the same percentage as people, if we're gonna be butthurt (no pun intended!) about it


I don't see it as natural either in the most scientifically correct sense of the word... It's an anomaly, an error in the matrix It goes against biology because it doesn't produce any offspring. That's why it's not natural to me on a biologic basis, being acceptable is one hell of another subject though I'm still surprised with the amount of shit I got in some other forums for stating that and how few actually got my point and didn't think I was just some random homophobic.

People have this really shitty thought that natural = right. We do a lot of shit that is not natural, doesn't make it wrong just because of that.
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  08.01.2012 at 03:08
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I don't see it as natural either in the most scientifically correct sense of the word... It's an anomaly, an error in the matrix It goes against biology because it doesn't produce any offspring. That's why it's not natural to me on a biologic basis, being acceptable is one hell of another subject though I'm still surprised with the amount of shit I got in some other forums for stating that and how few actually got my point and didn't think I was just some random homophobic.

People have this really shitty thought that natural = right. We do a lot of shit that is not natural, doesn't make it wrong just because of that.

I usually don't use words such as "anomaly", because they tend to be thought of in a negative context. Nature has many ways of limiting offspring in one species, so perhaps this is a universal one and I'd consider it natural.

Yeah, in this day and age a lot of people think that accepting means you should be a part of the LGBT street team and totally mention something positive about being gay every couple of seconds. I've been mistaken for a homophobe once just because I said that kids adopted in gay marriages might be bullied by their peers for that and that it's best for a kid not to go through it. And the other people were all over me because "GAYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO RAISE KIDS". In a perfect world, sure. They might make great parents and make a child very happy. But how would the others perceive them. Kids bully other kids over everything, imagine this/
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  08.01.2012 at 03:12
Written by Milena on 08.01.2012 at 02:57

Written by Mr. Doctor on 08.01.2012 at 02:55

...it's totally natural. That's when I say "...no".

Well, actually, animals are gay in the same percentage as people, if we're gonna be butthurt (no pun intended!) about it

A family living in a block across the street had dogs. They had one bitch and the other dogs were her pups. When the pups became adult, they liked to sniff and lick what was beneath the tail of their mum and also tried to mount her. That's called incest. Animals do it, it's natural... apparently. Why are we people so narrow-minded and don't accept it as something natural?

Also, in the countryside some cows humped each other. Lesbian cows probably.
Years ago my mother's friend left her dog at our place for some days. It was a female dog but she liked to hump things... your leg/the couch/the chair/whatever... apparently a lesbian dog...

Animals most logically just have the instinct to hump and/or be humped. They often don't pay attention to what they're humping.
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  08.01.2012 at 03:12
Written by Milena on 08.01.2012 at 03:08
I usually don't use words such as "anomaly", because they tend to be thought of in a negative context. Nature has many ways of limiting offspring in one species, so perhaps this is a universal one and I'd consider it natural.


Hhahhahah yeah, I get that sometimes but fuck it, words don't have any feelings unless you put them there, amiright fucktard? I think that people that get offended by words like that are pretty dense... Except fucktard, that is offensive.

To me, homosexuality is as much as an anomaly as oral sex, biologically speaking it doesn't do anything to the human race... It's just wrong because it doesn't help the goal that we have that is to create more offspring... Unless I'm proven wrong and they actually contribute to something but I doubt it.
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  08.01.2012 at 03:17
Written by Mr. Doctor on 08.01.2012 at 03:12

Hhahhahah yeah, I get that sometimes but fuck it, words don't have any feelings unless you put them there, amiright fucktard?
To me homosexuality is as much as an anomaly as oral sex, biologically speaking it doesn't do anything to the human race... It's just wrong because it doesn't help the goal that we have that is to create more offspring.. Unless I'm proven wrong and they actually contribute to something but I doubt it.

I agree with you here. Nevertheless, I think some people will bring forth the aspect that human beings don't associate sex with having kids any more and thus anomalies are treated as normalities.

I have to admit tho... oral sex with a woman I have feelings for makes me feel a bit bad. It's unnatural and unpleasant and has nothing beautiful about it. Oral sex with a whore or a one-night-chick is another thing because there's no feelings, just the dirty "fun".
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  08.01.2012 at 03:22
Written by Ernis on 08.01.2012 at 03:17
Nevertheless, I think some people will bring forth the aspect that human beings don't associate sex with having kids any more and thus anomalies are treated as normalities.

You know what I say to those who bring that argument?
Biology doesn't change for you and anybody.... It doesn't offend you, it doesn't benefit you, it does nothing to you. It just IS. Stuff like that doesn't change just because our mentality did.
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  08.01.2012 at 10:56
Written by Mr. Doctor on 08.01.2012 at 02:44
I will never believe that you are born that way thought, unless until it's totally proven.

I don't know if there's a way to prove it (and I'm too lazy to search for something on Google), but two of the gay friends I was talking about earlier both knew from an early age that they weren't interested in women. One kissed a boy when he was in kindergarten, the other in third grade. And neither of them were brought up in environments that enforced any kind of "unnatural" behavior.

If anything, I had a better chance of being "turned" gay. I did a lot of... interesting things as a child. And I'm only somewhat experimental straight as fuck.
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  08.01.2012 at 12:59
Written by Ernis on 08.01.2012 at 03:12

Humans most logically just have the instinct to hump and/or be humped. They often don't pay attention to what they're humping.

I fixed your quote lol
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  08.01.2012 at 21:29
Written by Troy Killjoy on 08.01.2012 at 10:56

I did a lot of... interesting things as a child.


Do tell.
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  09.01.2012 at 02:17
Written by Troy Killjoy on 08.01.2012 at 10:56
I did a lot of... interesting things as a child.

Tell me more tell me more does he have a car?
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  09.01.2012 at 02:46
All right... It should go to the funny stuff thread but as it's about a gay steward, it might as well as suit this one here...

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  09.01.2012 at 03:07
Written by Slayer666 on 08.01.2012 at 21:29
Do tell.

There was some crossdressing, talent shows with singing and dancing, and maybe a little too much time spent thinking about what it's like to be a girl.
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  09.01.2012 at 10:00
Written by Troy Killjoy on 09.01.2012 at 03:07

There was some crossdressing, talent shows with singing and dancing, and maybe a little too much time spent thinking about what it's like to be a girl.


That's f-ing hot.
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  09.01.2012 at 10:46
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All right... It should go to the funny stuff thread but as it's about a gay steward, it might as well as suit this one here...


That was beautiful.





I really like this post number (8008), I'll stop for a while just to look at it.
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  09.01.2012 at 12:20
Written by Ernis on 08.01.2012 at 00:35
Actually I doubt anyone deliberately chooses to become gay. While I do not support the idea that it's something people are born with, I tend to think it's a psychological condition that develops because of problems in the environment where a kid grows up and many other outside factors. Inherited mental particularities may also play the part. I don't know many gays nor bisexuals but those I've known all had either a more or less problematic childhood or a broken family or parents who themselves were not your everyday average people. It's rather clear that childhood does leave a mark on a developing personality. At the same time, yes, there are also people who turn it into a fashion statement.


The major pitfall with this line of thought is there are lots of people who had bad childhoods who grow up to be straight, and many people with mental disorders stemming from that are also straight. At the same time, there surely are gay people who grew up in "normal" households, and had a run-of-the-mill childhoods. I have heard many gay people saying they believe they were born gay, and thinking about it logically, I'd be inclined to agree with them. The childhood/envoirnment arguements have too many contradictions and inaccuracies for them to carry any real weight. I didn't choose to be straight, I just am. I cannot control who I'm attracted to, and I doubt gay people are any different. They can't help being attracted to their own sex.
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  09.01.2012 at 14:56
Written by Angelic Storm on 09.01.2012 at 12:20

I didn't choose to be straight, I just am. I cannot control who I'm attracted to, and I doubt gay people are any different. They can't help being attracted to their own sex.

Yes! Attractions just come naturally. A lot of people joke about having "gay" crushes but they're just aesthetic, at the end of the day. If you're straight, a person of your own sex just couldn't make your heart beat faster for real. Maybe the same is to gay people - I'd need to ask a gay person but I'm sure they're bothered by such questions daily so I wouldn't want to be a disturbance

I remember a line from Will and Grace, where Will was sad for some reason and that other gay dude who's name I can't remember told him:"Come on, cheer up, let's go to the park and laugh at straight people kissing." I found it very funny.
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  09.01.2012 at 15:47
Written by Milena on 09.01.2012 at 14:56
Yes! Attractions just come naturally. A lot of people joke about having "gay" crushes but they're just aesthetic, at the end of the day. If you're straight, a person of your own sex just couldn't make your heart beat faster for real. Maybe the same is to gay people - I'd need to ask a gay person but I'm sure they're bothered by such questions daily so I wouldn't want to be a disturbance

I remember a line from Will and Grace, where Will was sad for some reason and that other gay dude who's name I can't remember told him:"Come on, cheer up, let's go to the park and laugh at straight people kissing." I found it very funny.


Exactly! Aesthetic attractions have nothing to do with your sexuality. If it did, we'd all be bisexual, even the most rampant homophobes. I can of course recognise beauty in other females (inner and outer), but it is completely aesthetic. I couldn't imagine doing anything with another female, or having a relationship with one. It's just not how I "roll".

Like I said, I don't believe being gay is a choice, because being straight isn't a choice. I couldn't choose to start having attractions to women beyond the aesthetic, so by the same token, I have no reason to believe that it's not the same for gay people. You can choose to defy your sexuality, but that isn't the same thing as choosing it. Attraction, the type where you get butterflies in your tummy, and feel sick, is beyond your control. If straight people can't control that, why think that gay people can?

And yes, I can imagine that to gay people, the idea of doing anything physically intimate with the opposite sex is just as repulsive as the idea of doing anything physically intimate with the same sex is to straight people.
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  09.01.2012 at 16:00
Written by Angelic Storm on 09.01.2012 at 15:47

Exactly! Aesthetic attractions have nothing to do with your sexuality. If it did, we'd all be bisexual, even the most rampant homophobes. I can of course recognise beauty in other females (inner and outer), but it is completely aesthetic. I couldn't imagine doing anything with another female, or having a relationship with one. It's just not how I "roll".

Like I said, I don't believe being gay is a choice, because being straight isn't a choice. I couldn't choose to start having attractions to women beyond the aesthetic, so by the same token, I have no reason to believe that it's not the same for gay people. You can choose to defy your sexuality, but that isn't the same thing as choosing it. Attraction, the type where you get butterflies in your tummy, and feel sick, is beyond your control. If straight people can't control that, why think that gay people can?

And yes, I can imagine that to gay people, the idea of doing anything physically intimate with the opposite sex is just as repulsive as the idea of doing anything physically intimate with the same sex is to straight people.

*agrees*

Gays have it way harder than us though. They can't show affection anywhere, at least not here in Serbia. Most of them are scorned by their families. And I can't imagine a gay person holding a job for many years and not being harassed unless they lie. I live in a pretty homophobic country, and when I say I wouldn't mind being friends with a gay man/woman or seeing a gay couple kiss in the street, everyone looks at me like I'm not right in the head. I'm not saying everyone should be supportive, but homophobia is very dangerous. Same thing as racism really. A person who has such views should seek out a psychiatrist to discover what causes such negative views at an entire group of people, and heal his prejudice somehow.
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  09.01.2012 at 17:08
Written by Milena on 09.01.2012 at 16:00
A person who has such views should seek out a psychiatrist to discover what causes such negative views at an entire group of people, and heal his prejudice somehow.

Or just move to Canada.
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  09.01.2012 at 18:38
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Written by Milena on 09.01.2012 at 16:00
A person who has such views should seek out a psychiatrist to discover what causes such negative views at an entire group of people, and heal his prejudice somehow.

Or just move to Canada.


Cana....da? What the fuck is that?
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  09.01.2012 at 18:42
Written by Milena on 09.01.2012 at 16:00
Gays have it way harder than us though. They can't show affection anywhere, at least not here in Serbia. Most of them are scorned by their families. And I can't imagine a gay person holding a job for many years and not being harassed unless they lie. I live in a pretty homophobic country, and when I say I wouldn't mind being friends with a gay man/woman or seeing a gay couple kiss in the street, everyone looks at me like I'm not right in the head. I'm not saying everyone should be supportive, but homophobia is very dangerous. Same thing as racism really. A person who has such views should seek out a psychiatrist to discover what causes such negative views at an entire group of people, and heal his prejudice somehow.


Oh absolutely. I think that's another major reason why it's stupid to think that gay people choose to be gay. Generally, it's far harder to live in our society as a gay person, than as a straight person. So why would gay people choose such a hard road for themselves if they could simply choose not to? The UK is meant to be a more tolerant country, but that's really only on the surface. Even here, there is a lot of homophobia around. I have never seen a gay couple kiss or hold hands in the street, although I have seen a few couples who are quite clearly gay. It's hard to tell with women though, as straight women can hold hands/walk arm in arm in the street and nobody bats an eyelid at that.

Well, I believe in free speech, so people can oppose homosexuality if they wish. However, yes, homophobia can be a very dangerous thing. But then prejudice in general is a dangerous thing.
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  09.01.2012 at 21:32
Written by Angelic Storm on 09.01.2012 at 12:20

The major pitfall with this line of thought is there are lots of people who had bad childhoods who grow up to be straight, and many people with mental disorders stemming from that are also straight. At the same time, there surely are gay people who grew up in "normal" households, and had a run-of-the-mill childhoods.

I foresaw a post such as yours. You've got a good point and, as I already wrote, I reckon, not everyone from a dysfunctional family grows up to be gay just as not everyone from a normal household is definitely going to be straight. Most gay/bi people I've talked to have revealed something painful from their childhood, even if they actually didn't have any hard feelings about it. For example, there was a girl who said that she'd never ever want a man, that she's a bisexual who strongly prefers women and that she'd have a child only via IVF. We never discussed it but she had mentioned previously that her father and mother had not been on good terms and she was also angry at her mother's new husband who had cheated on her. It's natural that both a father figure and a mother figure are essential for a child to learn about the relationship between men and women.

I also know people who have a normal family, a father and a mother and siblings. Everything may seemingly be all right but when you get to know those people more closely, you hear that actually they grew up without either fatherly or motherly love because the relationship with one parent was distant. I heard once that younger siblings are more likely to be homosexual than firstborns. It's somewhat logic when speaking bout guys because, for example, there are families where older brothers get more attention from their dad who introduces them to the "men's business" while the younger brothers are deprived of that and instead may be under the influence of a possibly overprotective mother.

It's very complex, but once more, I still can't agree that it's a congenital issue. Sexuality is a psychological matter and as all things psychological, they have many causes in the environment that surrounds a child.

I don't think bad of gays at all. I have to admit, unfortunately enough, that nearly all the gay people I've met in my life, it's been very difficult to communicate with them. I'd even say it's been unpleasant. Why? Because I've felt their enormous frustration and even anger. I can't even start a conversation, not to speak of mentioning their sexual orientation (I always want to be tactful, I never speak about that topic first), but still they bring this issue up all the time. Once a gay guy started bashing me in the vein of "So you're a Christian, I heard. You hate gays, right? But how are you any better? You drink, smoke and want to get laid? Isn't that dirty? Isn't that hypocrisy?" Yeah, sure, I'm a human being. I can be Christian and I can drink and smoke and all that jazz. But why belittle me while I actually don't have any desire to condemn him because of his sexual orientation. One bloke once asked me "Why are you not gay?" I couldn't understand him at first but then he said that "You're so friendly with me. I'm gay but mostly only other gay people are friendly with me. So I though that maybe you are too." Dear Lord... isn't that essential to be nice and respectful towards everyone, regardless their skin colour, religion, sexual orientation? I don't have to be muslim to have muslim friends, I don't have to be gay in order to respect gay people. I think we could all just live and let live and all be happy. But there will always be aggressive people: those who attack (maybe in self defence) because they think that they are constantly being discriminated and those who attack because they are narrow-minded.

Written by Milena on 09.01.2012 at 16:00

*agrees*

Gays have it way harder than us though. They can't show affection anywhere, at least not here in Serbia. Most of them are scorned by their families. And I can't imagine a gay person holding a job for many years and not being harassed unless they lie. I live in a pretty homophobic country, and when I say I wouldn't mind being friends with a gay man/woman or seeing a gay couple kiss in the street, everyone looks at me like I'm not right in the head. I'm not saying everyone should be supportive, but homophobia is very dangerous. Same thing as racism really. A person who has such views should seek out a psychiatrist to discover what causes such negative views at an entire group of people, and heal his prejudice somehow.

Here I should ask that why should I go and consult a psychiatrist and a gay person shouldn't. I don't even qualify as a homophobic person. I think that homosexuals deserve to be helped. I may be old-fashioned, but I do find myself thinking that homosexual people will eventually end up being deprived of several beautiful things in human life (yeah, I know, heterosexuals also can have a life that sucks). I do not agree with people who wish them to receive jail sentences or even death sentences. I think that they should be approached in a kind manner and together seek the underlying causes of their condition or accept them the way they are and let them live like they want. All I can just say is that it's wrong what the militant gay activists do. They seem to wish to declare heterosexuality an anomaly. Their attack on traditional family values also hurts me. There are a few things I hold dear and I am an idealist in a way. I just can't accept the idea of homosexual couples raising kids. I just can't, sorry. And those things, in fact, insult those gay people who are persecuted because of the bad reputation that's being drawn upon them by those fanatic "gay rights" activists.

In Estonia shiteloads of money were spent on an ad campaign "Diversity enriches". There are huge posters and billboards with caricatures of people with Down syndrome, homosexuals, black people etc around the town with slogans "You noticed the DISABLITY? But did you notice the football fan?" This angers me. I find that whoever's behind this propaganda, is actually hurting and discriminating all those people by placing these degrading pictures above the rooftops. It humiliates those who need our help and understanding, it makes masses of uneducated people despise them instead and thus makes their life even more miserable. Is that what they want?
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  10.01.2012 at 00:15
Written by Ernis on 09.01.2012 at 21:32

Here I should ask that why should I go and consult a psychiatrist and a gay person shouldn't. I don't even qualify as a homophobic person. I think that homosexuals deserve to be helped. I may be old-fashioned, but I do find myself thinking that homosexual people will eventually end up being deprived of several beautiful things in human life (yeah, I know, heterosexuals also can have a life that sucks). I do not agree with people who wish them to receive jail sentences or even death sentences. I think that they should be approached in a kind manner and together seek the underlying causes of their condition or accept them the way they are and let them live like they want.

All I can just say is that it's wrong what the militant gay activists do. They seem to wish to declare heterosexuality an anomaly. Their attack on traditional family values also hurts me. There are a few things I hold dear and I am an idealist in a way. I just can't accept the idea of homosexual couples raising kids. I just can't, sorry. And those things, in fact, insult those gay people who are persecuted because of the bad reputation that's being drawn upon them by those fanatic "gay rights" activists.

Well I can only answer to the first part of your post by a cliche "life's not fair". In an ideal world, they would never be deprived of all the loveliness of love. Everyone could express their love the way they want to. If you meant raising kids, well, there are people who are also biologically disabled to have kids. There are also straight people in the world who are deprived of some "heterosexual" things we take for granted because they live in secluded parts of the world. It's sad, really, the way gay people are "missing out" but there is nothing we can do about it. You can only hope to build a better society for us all to live in.

As for gay activists attacking, well, some of them just appear as they're attacking, but by suggesting an untraditional family model they aren't suggesting that we do away with the traditional one. As for the ones who are really attacking - well, maybe they're just crazy (they wouldn't be the first people talking about crazy shit in public and getting away with it), or maybe attack is the best defense to them due to bitterness and underappreciated feelings. I wouldn't attribute it to homosexuality, but to bad personality traits.
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