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Posted by BreadGod on 04.09.2007 at 00:51
There was a thread about this a long time ago, but it was locked due to the people posting there being incompetent. This is a very touchy subject, I know, but I want people to at least attempt to act in a civilized matter when discussing this. Flamewars are forbidden, and anyone attempting to start a flamewar will be doused in a chemical bath. With all of this out of the way, let's discuss our views on this subject.

Personally, I have no quarrels with someone being gay, or even bisexual for that matter. To each his own. They are not the monsters that religions make them out to be. They walk, talk, and think just like anyone else, and they have a great plethora of ideas to contribute to society. They are also just as intelligent as everyone else, and they have the same concerns and worries as any other person. As a real life example, my mother's hair dresser (who is also my hair dresser, which explains why my hair is so beautiful) is gay, but he is quite the upstanding fellow, and is quite intelligent. In short, I greatly respect the gay community and I wish to see them claim the same rights as everyone else.

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Milena
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  15.01.2012 at 21:15
Written by Troy Killjoy on 10.01.2012 at 22:37

That falls on the kids - who, if raised by parents that endorse open-mindedness, tolerance, and acceptance, will not make a big deal out of a situation like that.

The kids who are enduring any kind of bullying or even inadvertent slander are paving the way for future generations to have a safer environment, much like the women of yore made the world we live in today more gender equal. (At least outside of the Middle East and shit.)

What about full-on physical assault? The world is dangerous to any kid out there. Maybe it's just the fact that you're in Canada and I'm in a much less gay-accepting society but I couldn't imagine raising a child in a gay home here. Gay parents would raise children who were open-minded, tolerant and accepting, yes. But the world around them wouldn't. I mean, we had parents here physically abusing other parents on school meetings for having a butterfly tattoo on their wrist. Kids abusing kids who have parents in wheelchairs. ANYTHING out of the ordinary is more or less a cause for physical assault. If I were a gay woman who wanted to raise a child, I certainly wouldn't like to see them injured in order to pave the way for a safer environment.
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  15.01.2012 at 23:25
Written by Milena on 15.01.2012 at 21:15
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I don't want to judge your country but it sounds like you guys need to see someone about that...
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  15.01.2012 at 23:59
Written by Troy Killjoy on 15.01.2012 at 23:25

I don't want to judge your country but it sounds like you guys need to see someone about that...

Well I made it sound like Gotham but the truth is that people are so morally retarded that they're lash out on anyone and anything. In my school and town it's mostly just verbal abuse for the kids that don't fit in, though I've witnessed and felt some physical violence as well.

In Belgrade, some schools have it worse - it's a well known fact that kids carry knives to school. I remember a particular case where the nation was "shocked" when some videos of students physically abusing teachers surfaced. I've never seen a case like that in any of my schools though. But in my school we have a teacher who had a brawl with a dead drunk 17-year-old student on a school trip in Greece. It was in self defense because the kid was threatening him and tried (or actually did hit him, all those versions of stories are so different) to assault him.

So yeah, that shit isn't something you see everyday (or for the schools who are better off, in every generation) but they're not unthinkable as they once were. And that's just in "normal" cases. You can imagine what a hard time a kid with gay parents would have. Even if not from his peers - his teachers would discriminate him/her for sure. I've met more than one homophobic teacher in my life, even if they try to hide it.
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  17.01.2012 at 19:14
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  17.01.2012 at 19:22
Troy its coppy wright material you broke a law

Where is Georgy Boy

reletinships - so it means Im gay?
I dont like I cant be together whit anybody nwo it means Im gay?

Blood donate ----- there is aids test

Does it hepens in nowdays .... how many so called nromal , streight ppl are stupid and more idots .....our society can not call them selfs civilazed
Indeed all shood see it
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  18.01.2012 at 09:29
I have no problem with gay/trans gender/lesbian, or whatever. I don't know why people make such a big deal about it, everyone has the right to live their own life the way they choose. Gender identification or what sex you are attracted to does not harm anyone. The world needs more love.
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  18.01.2012 at 16:13
Written by Vána on 18.01.2012 at 09:29

I have no problem with gay/trans gender/lesbian, or whatever. I don't know why people make such a big deal about it, everyone has the right to live their own life the way they choose. Gender identification or what sex you are attracted to does not harm anyone. The world needs more love.


same here but if gay will act like ''Im agay c mon respect me, whit lil roster bully attitde'' I ont like him same like I do bar fihers and bully who pusch ppl around and so on, school bully who take away money from other ppl and so on, ppl personality is important to me not his skin color, religius belifes or sexual orentation , he can even be fan football and hockey team what I dislike
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Vána

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  19.01.2012 at 01:00
Written by Bad English on 18.01.2012 at 16:13

Written by Vána on 18.01.2012 at 09:29

I have no problem with gay/trans gender/lesbian, or whatever. I don't know why people make such a big deal about it, everyone has the right to live their own life the way they choose. Gender identification or what sex you are attracted to does not harm anyone. The world needs more love.


same here but if gay will act like ''Im agay c mon respect me, whit lil roster bully attitde'' I ont like him same like I do bar fihers and bully who pusch ppl around and so on, school bully who take away money from other ppl and so on, ppl personality is important to me not his skin color, religius belifes or sexual orentation , he can even be fan football and hockey team what I dislike


Yeah I agree with you, I'm just saying if someone is gay it doesn't matter to me. I'm not talking about their personality or the way they treat people, that's has nothing to do with their sexual preference as far as I'm concerned it's unrelated. No one should act like a bully and demand respect. Everyone deserves equal respect. lol, sports suck in general, expect badminton.
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  19.01.2012 at 01:22
Written by Vána on 19.01.2012 at 01:00
I'm not talking about their personality or the way they treat people, that's has nothing to do with their sexual preference as far as I'm concerned it's unrelated.

Exactly. If you're an asshole, it doesn't matter if you're gay or straight or bi-gender or whatever. You're still an asshole.

The same goes for if you're a good-natured person.
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  14.05.2012 at 02:14
Some discussion was going way offtopic in an otherwise pretty useless thread, so...

Written by BlueMobius on 14.05.2012 at 01:24

Written by Mr. Doctor on 13.05.2012 at 21:45

Written by BlueMobius on 13.05.2012 at 21:07
What I mean by the vicious circle is that when Christians makes certain groups angry, those groups do something that makes the Christians angry, then the Christians do something that in turn makes those groups angry again. i.e. the cycle repeats itself.

Sometimes it seems like the only things some groups such as gay people do to make some religious people get angry is getting married in another state or make parades in order to give awareness of their right to get married... Which is something that shouldn't affect them as it's not their business. What is the thing that some religious people do in order to make the gays go angry? They ban marriage... and that DOES affect gays.

You are kind of changing the topic of this discussion. We're talking about Christianity and Satanism here in reference to the vicious cycle.


There you go.
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  09.09.2012 at 21:37
What is real reason why all WP and far wright activist groops and so called patriotic groops whos' for white europe and white race are aganst homosexuality ... in all praid riots mainly who take part there are wp activsist
why they are aganst homosexuality and what is extreme left side attitude in this case?
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  09.09.2012 at 23:06
I think apart from a few real fanatics, almost noone really hates homosexuals itself, people just mind how they show up in public...can you imagine "normal" people having "normal people pride" festival? would be taken as a nazi act against homosexuals...but if they have their to proudly show everyone they are different and that it is for good?

so this is for example what my problem is...i am perfectly ok with persons being "different"...i wouldnt mistreat homosexual person in any way, i wont break bonds of friendship because of that, i wont mind working with such person, have him as a teammate, whatever...i am not blocking two gay people having a relationship (who would i be, if i would do that?)...i even think many children will be much better in a family of two dads/mums than in a "normal" family but being hated and beaten by parents or being orphaned...but what i hate is this "wheee! we are gay people! come here and watch us! we are fabulous, better than you!" altitude...and i am pretty sure most people who are proclaimed being "against homosexuality" are like me...

btw. the same thing i said in feminism thread - if you need law support and government regulations, you are not "equal", you are "more favored"...and this is wrong
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  09.09.2012 at 23:27
Written by Ellrohir on 09.09.2012 at 23:06

I think apart from a few real fanatics, almost noone really hates homosexuals itself, people just mind how they show up in public...can you imagine "normal" people having "normal people pride" festival? would be taken as a nazi act against homosexuals...but if they have their to proudly show everyone they are different and that it is for good?

so this is for example what my problem is...i am perfectly ok with persons being "different"...i wouldnt mistreat homosexual person in any way, i wont break bonds of friendship because of that, i wont mind working with such person, have him as a teammate, whatever...i am not blocking two gay people having a relationship (who would i be, if i would do that?)...i even think many children will be much better in a family of two dads/mums than in a "normal" family but being hated and beaten by parents or being orphaned...but what i hate is this "wheee! we are gay people! come here and watch us! we are fabulous, better than you!" altitude...and i am pretty sure most people who are proclaimed being "against homosexuality" are like me...

btw. the same thing i said in feminism thread - if you need law support and government regulations, you are not "equal", you are "more favored"...and this is wrong


I have nbo problems whit them either I have nothing aganst its ppl desition and I wont tecah them you need be streight I dont care , if person is nice its OK whit me, but neo nazies , other wp groops .... look at Russia, serbia , Poland praids ... Latvian WP organsations also talk about some praids hwo sabotage,s uch ppl shood be exicuted etc .... why wp hates homosexuals
I cant find srtreight ansver and they are to stupid to ansver either
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  10.09.2012 at 06:02
Shouldn't this be in the serious forum?
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  10.09.2012 at 11:31
Written by Gonzo666 on 10.09.2012 at 06:02

Shouldn't this be in the serious forum?


send a forum report
IMO such tread + christianity once was there in old days when all wa slocked when rexcah 500 posts
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  28.12.2012 at 13:57
Written by Bad English on 09.09.2012 at 21:37

What is real reason why all WP and far wright activist groops and so called patriotic groops whos' for white europe and white race are aganst homosexuality ... in all praid riots mainly who take part there are wp activsist
why they are aganst homosexuality and what is extreme left side attitude in this case?


the reason why white power groups hate homosexuality? well, look at their ideology. They belive in different races and different bloodlines and all that bullshit, so reproduction is in the spotlight. To have a (white) baby, you need a (white) woman and a (white) man whereas babies are necacerry to strenghten "the ayrean race". But the real reason why wp groups hate homosexuality is beacuse they find it "demoralizing". Really, it has to do with the type of masculinity that is represented in those movements. the ideal man in white power movement is to be strong and though and that "protect" (or dominates) women. Something homosexual men challange, espially if presented in a stereotypical way.

Of course "white power" is retardant in everyway, both when it comes to veiws on the nation, "races", gender and sexuality.
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  28.12.2012 at 14:06
Written by Ellrohir on 09.09.2012 at 23:06


btw. the same thing i said in feminism thread - if you need law support and government regulations, you are not "equal", you are "more favored"...and this is wrong



how come law support and goverment regulations automaticly mean "being more favored"?

These laws was created for a reason, since the majority of the time the laws works more in favor for (white heterosexual) men. whatever these laws would create a more equal society or generate a backslash, that is up for debate though.
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  30.12.2012 at 16:06
Written by Torelli on 28.12.2012 at 13:57

Written by Bad English on 09.09.2012 at 21:37

What is real reason why all WP and far wright activist groops and so called patriotic groops whos' for white europe and white race are aganst homosexuality ... in all praid riots mainly who take part there are wp activsist
why they are aganst homosexuality and what is extreme left side attitude in this case?


the reason why white power groups hate homosexuality? well, look at their ideology. They belive in different races and different bloodlines and all that bullshit, so reproduction is in the spotlight. To have a (white) baby, you need a (white) woman and a (white) man whereas babies are necacerry to strenghten "the ayrean race". But the real reason why wp groups hate homosexuality is beacuse they find it "demoralizing". Really, it has to do with the type of masculinity that is represented in those movements. the ideal man in white power movement is to be strong and though and that "protect" (or dominates) women. Something homosexual men challange, espially if presented in a stereotypical way.

Of course "white power" is retardant in everyway, both when it comes to veiws on the nation, "races", gender and sexuality.


I see, never thought about that think and well as far i know and realise new WP is werry christian , we need be ''correct'' and now I hate WP more how I have hated them, total idiots
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  06.01.2013 at 08:20
Written by Torelli on 28.12.2012 at 14:06

Written by Ellrohir on 09.09.2012 at 23:06


btw. the same thing i said in feminism thread - if you need law support and government regulations, you are not "equal", you are "more favored"...and this is wrong



how come law support and goverment regulations automaticly mean "being more favored"?

These laws was created for a reason, since the majority of the time the laws works more in favor for (white heterosexual) men. whatever these laws would create a more equal society or generate a backslash, that is up for debate though.

Good point. If the status quo favors white hetero males, than maybe laws that enable a more equal society are legitimate.

But of course the ''white hetero male'' has a tendency of protecting his privileges, thus arguments such as Ellrohir's.
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  06.01.2013 at 12:42
Yep, I always find it strange, and a bit disturbing, when members of a priviledged section of society think that minorities wanting equal rights, are somehow wanting "special rights".
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  07.01.2013 at 12:36
Homosexuality is a mental manner in which is the nature of some certain ppl. in Iran we had a great poet named Molana who was a gay! they're in the societies and living with us. I hate gay acts as a male, but that doesn't mean to hate the one who loves it. I hate it then I never go about it. that's what we should do. the same for the lesbians.
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  07.01.2013 at 12:43
Written by Gurth Bennas on 07.01.2013 at 12:36

Homosexuality is a mental manner in which is the nature of some certain ppl. in Iran we had a great poet named Molana who was a gay! they're in the societies and living with us. I hate gay acts as a male, but that doesn't mean to hate the one who loves it. I hate it then I never go about it. that's what we should do.

on which exact evidence you say Rumi is gay ?!!!!
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  07.01.2013 at 17:47
Written by Guest on 07.01.2013 at 12:43

Written by Gurth Bennas on 07.01.2013 at 12:36

Homosexuality is a mental manner in which is the nature of some certain ppl. in Iran we had a great poet named Molana who was a gay! they're in the societies and living with us. I hate gay acts as a male, but that doesn't mean to hate the one who loves it. I hate it then I never go about it. that's what we should do.

on which exact evidence you say Rumi is gay ?!!!!

just by some rumors about he and shams. nothing else. he had gay feelings but didn't do anything. and I said that just for an example of a gay might be a great person
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  07.01.2013 at 20:08
Written by Gurth Bennas on 07.01.2013 at 17:47

Written by Guest on 07.01.2013 at 12:43

Written by Gurth Bennas on 07.01.2013 at 12:36

Homosexuality is a mental manner in which is the nature of some certain ppl. in Iran we had a great poet named Molana who was a gay! they're in the societies and living with us. I hate gay acts as a male, but that doesn't mean to hate the one who loves it. I hate it then I never go about it. that's what we should do.

on which exact evidence you say Rumi is gay ?!!!!

just by some rumors about he and shams. nothing else. he had gay feelings but didn't do anything. and I said that just for an example of a gay might be a great person

There is no evidence so try another example,pff!
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  07.01.2013 at 20:15
I don't really care about people sexual options... whatever it is you do with your partner in your private life it's not my concern

It only pisses me off when people start kissing and so on in public places, but it also aplies to hetero couples.
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  07.01.2013 at 20:37
"A condition of distorted sexuality that reflects the brokenness of our sinful world"? Of course not.
In my opinion homosexuals are normal people and the homosexuality is their normal/natural way of attraction, love, sexual activities, etc.
IMO neither they nor we are special in a sexual way.

(Wondering: ... is this a serious discussion? )
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  07.01.2013 at 22:58
Written by Yavanna on 07.01.2013 at 20:15


It only pisses me off when people start kissing and so on in public places, but it also aplies to hetero couples.


by people you mean homosexual couples ?
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  07.01.2013 at 23:02
I'll interject and say I'm glad to see that the attitude about homosexuality around here seems to be generally positive; I've seen plenty of metal forums where such is not the case.

Yeah, not really contributing to the discussion or anything, I realize. Still, props to ya, Metal Storm.
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  07.01.2013 at 23:02
Written by Guest on 07.01.2013 at 22:58

Written by Yavanna on 07.01.2013 at 20:15


It only pisses me off when people start kissing and so on in public places, but it also aplies to hetero couples.


by people you mean homosexual couples ?

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  07.01.2013 at 23:13
Written by SilentScream on 07.01.2013 at 23:02

Written by Guest on 07.01.2013 at 22:58

Written by Yavanna on 07.01.2013 at 20:15


It only pisses me off when people start kissing and so on in public places, but it also aplies to hetero couples.


by people you mean homosexual couples ?




oh my mistake I didn't notice the " hetero couples"

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