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Posted by BreadGod on 04.09.2007 at 00:51
There was a thread about this a long time ago, but it was locked due to the people posting there being incompetent. This is a very touchy subject, I know, but I want people to at least attempt to act in a civilized matter when discussing this. Flamewars are forbidden, and anyone attempting to start a flamewar will be doused in a chemical bath. With all of this out of the way, let's discuss our views on this subject.

Personally, I have no quarrels with someone being gay, or even bisexual for that matter. To each his own. They are not the monsters that religions make them out to be. They walk, talk, and think just like anyone else, and they have a great plethora of ideas to contribute to society. They are also just as intelligent as everyone else, and they have the same concerns and worries as any other person. As a real life example, my mother's hair dresser (who is also my hair dresser, which explains why my hair is so beautiful) is gay, but he is quite the upstanding fellow, and is quite intelligent. In short, I greatly respect the gay community and I wish to see them claim the same rights as everyone else.

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Vána

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  18.01.2012 at 09:29
I have no problem with gay/trans gender/lesbian, or whatever. I don't know why people make such a big deal about it, everyone has the right to live their own life the way they choose. Gender identification or what sex you are attracted to does not harm anyone. The world needs more love.
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  18.01.2012 at 16:13
Written by Vána on 18.01.2012 at 09:29

I have no problem with gay/trans gender/lesbian, or whatever. I don't know why people make such a big deal about it, everyone has the right to live their own life the way they choose. Gender identification or what sex you are attracted to does not harm anyone. The world needs more love.


same here but if gay will act like ''Im agay c mon respect me, whit lil roster bully attitde'' I ont like him same like I do bar fihers and bully who pusch ppl around and so on, school bully who take away money from other ppl and so on, ppl personality is important to me not his skin color, religius belifes or sexual orentation , he can even be fan football and hockey team what I dislike
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Vána

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  19.01.2012 at 01:00
Written by Bad English on 18.01.2012 at 16:13

Written by Vána on 18.01.2012 at 09:29

I have no problem with gay/trans gender/lesbian, or whatever. I don't know why people make such a big deal about it, everyone has the right to live their own life the way they choose. Gender identification or what sex you are attracted to does not harm anyone. The world needs more love.


same here but if gay will act like ''Im agay c mon respect me, whit lil roster bully attitde'' I ont like him same like I do bar fihers and bully who pusch ppl around and so on, school bully who take away money from other ppl and so on, ppl personality is important to me not his skin color, religius belifes or sexual orentation , he can even be fan football and hockey team what I dislike


Yeah I agree with you, I'm just saying if someone is gay it doesn't matter to me. I'm not talking about their personality or the way they treat people, that's has nothing to do with their sexual preference as far as I'm concerned it's unrelated. No one should act like a bully and demand respect. Everyone deserves equal respect. lol, sports suck in general, expect badminton.
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  19.01.2012 at 01:22
Written by Vána on 19.01.2012 at 01:00
I'm not talking about their personality or the way they treat people, that's has nothing to do with their sexual preference as far as I'm concerned it's unrelated.

Exactly. If you're an asshole, it doesn't matter if you're gay or straight or bi-gender or whatever. You're still an asshole.

The same goes for if you're a good-natured person.
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  14.05.2012 at 02:14
Some discussion was going way offtopic in an otherwise pretty useless thread, so...

Written by BlueMobius on 14.05.2012 at 01:24

Written by Mr. Doctor on 13.05.2012 at 21:45

Written by BlueMobius on 13.05.2012 at 21:07
What I mean by the vicious circle is that when Christians makes certain groups angry, those groups do something that makes the Christians angry, then the Christians do something that in turn makes those groups angry again. i.e. the cycle repeats itself.

Sometimes it seems like the only things some groups such as gay people do to make some religious people get angry is getting married in another state or make parades in order to give awareness of their right to get married... Which is something that shouldn't affect them as it's not their business. What is the thing that some religious people do in order to make the gays go angry? They ban marriage... and that DOES affect gays.

You are kind of changing the topic of this discussion. We're talking about Christianity and Satanism here in reference to the vicious cycle.


There you go.
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nobody

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  09.09.2012 at 21:37
What is real reason why all WP and far wright activist groops and so called patriotic groops whos' for white europe and white race are aganst homosexuality ... in all praid riots mainly who take part there are wp activsist
why they are aganst homosexuality and what is extreme left side attitude in this case?
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  09.09.2012 at 23:06
I think apart from a few real fanatics, almost noone really hates homosexuals itself, people just mind how they show up in public...can you imagine "normal" people having "normal people pride" festival? would be taken as a nazi act against homosexuals...but if they have their to proudly show everyone they are different and that it is for good?

so this is for example what my problem is...i am perfectly ok with persons being "different"...i wouldnt mistreat homosexual person in any way, i wont break bonds of friendship because of that, i wont mind working with such person, have him as a teammate, whatever...i am not blocking two gay people having a relationship (who would i be, if i would do that?)...i even think many children will be much better in a family of two dads/mums than in a "normal" family but being hated and beaten by parents or being orphaned...but what i hate is this "wheee! we are gay people! come here and watch us! we are fabulous, better than you!" altitude...and i am pretty sure most people who are proclaimed being "against homosexuality" are like me...

btw. the same thing i said in feminism thread - if you need law support and government regulations, you are not "equal", you are "more favored"...and this is wrong
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nobody

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  09.09.2012 at 23:27
Written by Ellrohir on 09.09.2012 at 23:06

I think apart from a few real fanatics, almost noone really hates homosexuals itself, people just mind how they show up in public...can you imagine "normal" people having "normal people pride" festival? would be taken as a nazi act against homosexuals...but if they have their to proudly show everyone they are different and that it is for good?

so this is for example what my problem is...i am perfectly ok with persons being "different"...i wouldnt mistreat homosexual person in any way, i wont break bonds of friendship because of that, i wont mind working with such person, have him as a teammate, whatever...i am not blocking two gay people having a relationship (who would i be, if i would do that?)...i even think many children will be much better in a family of two dads/mums than in a "normal" family but being hated and beaten by parents or being orphaned...but what i hate is this "wheee! we are gay people! come here and watch us! we are fabulous, better than you!" altitude...and i am pretty sure most people who are proclaimed being "against homosexuality" are like me...

btw. the same thing i said in feminism thread - if you need law support and government regulations, you are not "equal", you are "more favored"...and this is wrong


I have nbo problems whit them either I have nothing aganst its ppl desition and I wont tecah them you need be streight I dont care , if person is nice its OK whit me, but neo nazies , other wp groops .... look at Russia, serbia , Poland praids ... Latvian WP organsations also talk about some praids hwo sabotage,s uch ppl shood be exicuted etc .... why wp hates homosexuals
I cant find srtreight ansver and they are to stupid to ansver either
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GoatBrewGuild

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  10.09.2012 at 06:02
Shouldn't this be in the serious forum?
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nobody

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  10.09.2012 at 11:31
Written by GoatBrewGuild on 10.09.2012 at 06:02

Shouldn't this be in the serious forum?


send a forum report
IMO such tread + christianity once was there in old days when all wa slocked when rexcah 500 posts
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Torelli

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  28.12.2012 at 13:57
Written by Bad English on 09.09.2012 at 21:37

What is real reason why all WP and far wright activist groops and so called patriotic groops whos' for white europe and white race are aganst homosexuality ... in all praid riots mainly who take part there are wp activsist
why they are aganst homosexuality and what is extreme left side attitude in this case?


the reason why white power groups hate homosexuality? well, look at their ideology. They belive in different races and different bloodlines and all that bullshit, so reproduction is in the spotlight. To have a (white) baby, you need a (white) woman and a (white) man whereas babies are necacerry to strenghten "the ayrean race". But the real reason why wp groups hate homosexuality is beacuse they find it "demoralizing". Really, it has to do with the type of masculinity that is represented in those movements. the ideal man in white power movement is to be strong and though and that "protect" (or dominates) women. Something homosexual men challange, espially if presented in a stereotypical way.

Of course "white power" is retardant in everyway, both when it comes to veiws on the nation, "races", gender and sexuality.
Torelli

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  28.12.2012 at 14:06
Written by Ellrohir on 09.09.2012 at 23:06


btw. the same thing i said in feminism thread - if you need law support and government regulations, you are not "equal", you are "more favored"...and this is wrong



how come law support and goverment regulations automaticly mean "being more favored"?

These laws was created for a reason, since the majority of the time the laws works more in favor for (white heterosexual) men. whatever these laws would create a more equal society or generate a backslash, that is up for debate though.
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nobody

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  30.12.2012 at 16:06
Written by Torelli on 28.12.2012 at 13:57

Written by Bad English on 09.09.2012 at 21:37

What is real reason why all WP and far wright activist groops and so called patriotic groops whos' for white europe and white race are aganst homosexuality ... in all praid riots mainly who take part there are wp activsist
why they are aganst homosexuality and what is extreme left side attitude in this case?


the reason why white power groups hate homosexuality? well, look at their ideology. They belive in different races and different bloodlines and all that bullshit, so reproduction is in the spotlight. To have a (white) baby, you need a (white) woman and a (white) man whereas babies are necacerry to strenghten "the ayrean race". But the real reason why wp groups hate homosexuality is beacuse they find it "demoralizing". Really, it has to do with the type of masculinity that is represented in those movements. the ideal man in white power movement is to be strong and though and that "protect" (or dominates) women. Something homosexual men challange, espially if presented in a stereotypical way.

Of course "white power" is retardant in everyway, both when it comes to veiws on the nation, "races", gender and sexuality.


I see, never thought about that think and well as far i know and realise new WP is werry christian , we need be ''correct'' and now I hate WP more how I have hated them, total idiots
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  06.01.2013 at 08:20
Written by Torelli on 28.12.2012 at 14:06

Written by Ellrohir on 09.09.2012 at 23:06


btw. the same thing i said in feminism thread - if you need law support and government regulations, you are not "equal", you are "more favored"...and this is wrong



how come law support and goverment regulations automaticly mean "being more favored"?

These laws was created for a reason, since the majority of the time the laws works more in favor for (white heterosexual) men. whatever these laws would create a more equal society or generate a backslash, that is up for debate though.

Good point. If the status quo favors white hetero males, than maybe laws that enable a more equal society are legitimate.

But of course the ''white hetero male'' has a tendency of protecting his privileges, thus arguments such as Ellrohir's.
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  06.01.2013 at 12:42
Yep, I always find it strange, and a bit disturbing, when members of a priviledged section of society think that minorities wanting equal rights, are somehow wanting "special rights".
Gurth Bennas

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  07.01.2013 at 12:36
Homosexuality is a mental manner in which is the nature of some certain ppl. in Iran we had a great poet named Molana who was a gay! they're in the societies and living with us. I hate gay acts as a male, but that doesn't mean to hate the one who loves it. I hate it then I never go about it. that's what we should do. the same for the lesbians.
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  07.01.2013 at 12:43
Written by Gurth Bennas on 07.01.2013 at 12:36

Homosexuality is a mental manner in which is the nature of some certain ppl. in Iran we had a great poet named Molana who was a gay! they're in the societies and living with us. I hate gay acts as a male, but that doesn't mean to hate the one who loves it. I hate it then I never go about it. that's what we should do.

on which exact evidence you say Rumi is gay ?!!!!
Gurth Bennas

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  07.01.2013 at 17:47
Written by Guest on 07.01.2013 at 12:43

Written by Gurth Bennas on 07.01.2013 at 12:36

Homosexuality is a mental manner in which is the nature of some certain ppl. in Iran we had a great poet named Molana who was a gay! they're in the societies and living with us. I hate gay acts as a male, but that doesn't mean to hate the one who loves it. I hate it then I never go about it. that's what we should do.

on which exact evidence you say Rumi is gay ?!!!!

just by some rumors about he and shams. nothing else. he had gay feelings but didn't do anything. and I said that just for an example of a gay might be a great person
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  07.01.2013 at 20:08
Written by Gurth Bennas on 07.01.2013 at 17:47

Written by Guest on 07.01.2013 at 12:43

Written by Gurth Bennas on 07.01.2013 at 12:36

Homosexuality is a mental manner in which is the nature of some certain ppl. in Iran we had a great poet named Molana who was a gay! they're in the societies and living with us. I hate gay acts as a male, but that doesn't mean to hate the one who loves it. I hate it then I never go about it. that's what we should do.

on which exact evidence you say Rumi is gay ?!!!!

just by some rumors about he and shams. nothing else. he had gay feelings but didn't do anything. and I said that just for an example of a gay might be a great person

There is no evidence so try another example,pff!
Yavanna

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  07.01.2013 at 20:15
I don't really care about people sexual options... whatever it is you do with your partner in your private life it's not my concern

It only pisses me off when people start kissing and so on in public places, but it also aplies to hetero couples.
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  07.01.2013 at 20:37
"A condition of distorted sexuality that reflects the brokenness of our sinful world"? Of course not.
In my opinion homosexuals are normal people and the homosexuality is their normal/natural way of attraction, love, sexual activities, etc.
IMO neither they nor we are special in a sexual way.

(Wondering: ... is this a serious discussion? )
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  07.01.2013 at 22:58
Written by Yavanna on 07.01.2013 at 20:15


It only pisses me off when people start kissing and so on in public places, but it also aplies to hetero couples.


by people you mean homosexual couples ?
Apatheria

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  07.01.2013 at 23:02
I'll interject and say I'm glad to see that the attitude about homosexuality around here seems to be generally positive; I've seen plenty of metal forums where such is not the case.

Yeah, not really contributing to the discussion or anything, I realize. Still, props to ya, Metal Storm.
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  07.01.2013 at 23:02
Written by Guest on 07.01.2013 at 22:58

Written by Yavanna on 07.01.2013 at 20:15


It only pisses me off when people start kissing and so on in public places, but it also aplies to hetero couples.


by people you mean homosexual couples ?

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  07.01.2013 at 23:13
Written by SilentScream on 07.01.2013 at 23:02

Written by Guest on 07.01.2013 at 22:58

Written by Yavanna on 07.01.2013 at 20:15


It only pisses me off when people start kissing and so on in public places, but it also aplies to hetero couples.


by people you mean homosexual couples ?




oh my mistake I didn't notice the " hetero couples"
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  07.01.2013 at 23:46
Written by Guest on 07.01.2013 at 23:13

Written by SilentScream on 07.01.2013 at 23:02

Written by Guest on 07.01.2013 at 22:58

Written by Yavanna on 07.01.2013 at 20:15


It only pisses me off when people start kissing and so on in public places, but it also aplies to hetero couples.


by people you mean homosexual couples ?




oh my mistake I didn't notice the " hetero couples"

I was just kidding. I wouldn't take Tropic Thunder quotes too seriously if I was you ^^
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  08.01.2013 at 04:14
I work with a guy who's gay, and he's freakin' hilarious. I have zero problem with it.
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  11.01.2013 at 15:34
Written by Guest on 07.01.2013 at 23:13

Written by SilentScream on 07.01.2013 at 23:02

Written by Guest on 07.01.2013 at 22:58

Written by Yavanna on 07.01.2013 at 20:15


It only pisses me off when people start kissing and so on in public places, but it also aplies to hetero couples.


by people you mean homosexual couples ?




oh my mistake I didn't notice the " hetero couples"


Sorry, I think my post is a little bad-writen, but, yeah, couples (hetero or homo) kissing and hugging and so on in public is a thing that I don't like to watch.
I have some personal restrictions to physical contact, so, it kinda makes me sick
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  13.01.2013 at 21:08
I take it most of this thread is heterosexuals giving their opinion about homosexuality... Well, my perspective is a different one. I live in a place where homosexuality is pretty accepted and homophobia is seen as ignorant. While there aren't many people who actually hate gays, I've encountered many who think less of them, think they're somehow weird or different, or still believe common misconceptions (like "lesbians all hate men" or "gays all have AIDS"). There's still people who use the term "gay" as an insult and gay children still get bullied for their sexuality. There's those who say things like "I don't care if someone's gay as long as I don't have to see them make out" while they have no problem making out with their opposite gender partner in public or the famous and most hated "I have no problem with gays but my kids/friends aren't allowed to be gay". It saddens me when I meet children who think it's "gross" or "wrong". It's often their parents' fault for raising them with such beliefs, but I think that problem could be solved if people just accepted it as a natural thing instead of a sensitive taboo subject that children must be sheltered from. And for those who actually are homosexual, it would give them less stress about questioning their sexuality. But I guess that doesn't happen because some people are still ignorant or want to cling to religious beliefs. There are very few homosexuals I've met who said coming out was easy, and many of them are still secretive about it. It's hardly ever as simple as everyone you care about just accepting it and things being the same. It's normally met with friends feeling awkward sometimes to the point of not wanting to hang out anymore, parents in denial thinking it's just a phase, and sometimes it gets as extreme as being kicked out of their parents' home for a bit. It's depressing how even in a first world country that's supposed to be accepting of homosexuality, this still happens. What frustrates me is when people think it's a choice. I've had some people tell me "you should stick to dating guys because they're less emotional, you can have kids one day, it's more normal, etc" as if I actually have a choice in the matter. Overall, being straight is easier. Why would anyone choose to make things more difficult for themselves? There's nothing to gain from that. I've had some homosexuals say that if they had a choice to be straight, they'd definitely do it. But yea, that's enough first world homosexual problems for now lol
Mattybu

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  14.01.2013 at 02:56
^Read all of that long paragraph, you pretty much got it, I mean thinking it's a choice is a bit wacky, I figure most people have the basic education to know otherwise lol.

Although I would like to add religious beliefs aren't an excuse to be homophobic, but on the other hand, it's not right to assume someone is homophobic just because they are religious.

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