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Posted by , 04.09.2007 - 00:51
There was a thread about this a long time ago, but it was locked due to the people posting there being incompetent. This is a very touchy subject, I know, but I want people to at least attempt to act in a civilized matter when discussing this. Flamewars are forbidden, and anyone attempting to start a flamewar will be doused in a chemical bath. With all of this out of the way, let's discuss our views on this subject.

Personally, I have no quarrels with someone being gay, or even bisexual for that matter. To each his own. They are not the monsters that religions make them out to be. They walk, talk, and think just like anyone else, and they have a great plethora of ideas to contribute to society. They are also just as intelligent as everyone else, and they have the same concerns and worries as any other person. As a real life example, my mother's hair dresser (who is also my hair dresser, which explains why my hair is so beautiful) is gay, but he is quite the upstanding fellow, and is quite intelligent. In short, I greatly respect the gay community and I wish to see them claim the same rights as everyone else.

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07.09.2014 - 22:52
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According To Pornhub, The South Watches More Gay Porn Than Any Other Part Of The U.S.


http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/according-to-pornhub-the-south-watches-more-gay-porn-than-an#1mwsxzi
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08.09.2014 - 09:30
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Written by Guest on 07.09.2014 at 22:52

According To Pornhub, The South Watches More Gay Porn Than Any Other Part Of The U.S.


http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/according-to-pornhub-the-south-watches-more-gay-porn-than-an#1mwsxzi


i don't get whats funny
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08.09.2014 - 23:43
Troy Killjoy
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Written by Guest on 08.09.2014 at 09:30
i don't get whats funny

Probably because the South is considered to be the most conservative/right-wing/bigoted/racist/homophobic area in America. It's more ironic than funny.
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09.09.2014 - 02:23
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Tage Westerlund
Written by Troy Killjoy on 08.09.2014 at 23:43

Written by Guest on 08.09.2014 at 09:30
i don't get whats funny

Probably because the South is considered to be the most conservative/right-wing/bigoted/racist/homophobic area in America. It's more ironic than funny.


yes true and how strong is KKK and militia troops there?
sad and ironic because south has great landscapes and interesting to me visit
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09.09.2014 - 10:27
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 08.09.2014 at 23:43


Probably because the South is considered to be the most conservative/right-wing/bigoted/racist/homophobic area in America. It's more ironic than funny.

oh yeah true, didn't even think about that, isn't that where bush is from
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09.09.2014 - 11:50
FOOCK Nam

Written by Guest on 09.09.2014 at 10:27

Written by Troy Killjoy on 08.09.2014 at 23:43


Probably because the South is considered to be the most conservative/right-wing/bigoted/racist/homophobic area in America. It's more ironic than funny.

oh yeah true, didn't even think about that, isn't that where bush is from

Bush from Texas, south USA..
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09.09.2014 - 12:29
FOOCK Nam

Written by Bad English on 09.09.2014 at 02:23

Written by Troy Killjoy on 08.09.2014 at 23:43

Written by Guest on 08.09.2014 at 09:30
i don't get whats funny

Probably because the South is considered to be the most conservative/right-wing/bigoted/racist/homophobic area in America. It's more ironic than funny.


yes true and how strong is KKK and militia troops there?
sad and ironic because south has great landscapes and interesting to me visit

I'm not sure for Texas but Alabama where more of country, more farm, old culture, missipie, new orlearn, still race fight.. I heard a gangster says skinhead in Texas.. Lots of thing I've known when in cool time america
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09.09.2014 - 12:34
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Tage Westerlund
Written by FOOCK Nam on 09.09.2014 at 12:29

I'm not sure for Texas but Alabama where more of country, more farm, old culture, missipie, new orlearn, still race fight.. I heard a gangster says skinhead in Texas.. Lots of thing I've known when in cool time america

Texas has different problems, Mexico border , means illegal aliens as they say and drug cartels ... but Texas is southern state, E part , so
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09.09.2014 - 12:39
FOOCK Nam

Written by Bad English on 09.09.2014 at 12:34

Texas has different problems, Mexico border , means illegal aliens as they say and drug cartels ... but Texas is southern state, E part , so

yup all you said true...
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12.09.2014 - 15:31
Troy Killjoy
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A bit late to the off-topic party, but doesn't hurt to remind people this thread is about homosexuality and not criminal activity or geography.

Unless of course you're relating those two things to homosexuality. Because it's still considered a crime in a lot of places which baffles my mind.
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12.09.2014 - 17:15
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Tage Westerlund
Written by Troy Killjoy on 12.09.2014 at 15:31

A bit late to the off-topic party, but doesn't hurt to remind people this thread is about homosexuality and not criminal activity or geography.

Unless of course you're relating those two things to homosexuality. Because it's still considered a crime in a lot of places which baffles my mind.


not crime in Swe and many EU countries, but many WP idiots are aganst it and can attack to those ppl , whitch is sad
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12.09.2014 - 23:58
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I work in the trade and fuck i'm sick of sitting around at smoko hearing things like "bloody poof" or "bunch of fucking gays" been thrown around. Everybody is still so fucking homophobic in the trades, i think it's because everyone thinks there so macho.
It almost makes me feel like i'm different because i'm the only one who gets annoyed when they spit out this shit.
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13.09.2014 - 06:03
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 12.09.2014 at 15:31

A bit late to the off-topic party, but doesn't hurt to remind people this thread is about homosexuality and not criminal activity or geography.

Unless of course you're relating those two things to homosexuality. Because it's still considered a crime in a lot of places which baffles my mind.


One thing I think that's interesting is that in Jamaica homosexuality isn't illegal; male sodomy is. In fact the bible only references sodomy, it says nothing about lesbianism. It goes to show how the culture's view on homosexuality and masculinity is much different, for some reason they feel threatened by homosexuals. Anyway, lot's of reggae is homophobic to the point disgusting doesn't even begin to describe it. (The music is also disgusting, what happened to Bob Marley?)
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28.09.2014 - 05:16
God Alone

Hah. I'm bisexual and people (at least those who know it, since I'm not the type of guy who loves to flaunt) are still baffled by my tastes, way more than I was during the first years of adolescence, when I discovered my tendencies.
I really don't get what all the fuss is about. Sounds like you must be either A or Z, there's no middle point.
I've heard so many questions and judgements about bisexuality that I'm really getting annoyed. The best ones:

"You're not bisexual; you're a repressed gay who fakes heterosexuality." (lolwut? I'm not repressing or faking anything, quite the contrary...)

"You're not bisexual; you're just a confused heterosexual, but it's okay, it's just a phase." (a phase that's been lasting since I was 12, BUT YES IT'S OKAY.)

"Sooner or later, YOU MUST CHOOSE!" (I choose YOU, PIKACHU!! THUNDER SHOCK!!)

"How do you handle it? What if you engage with a girl and get tired of heterosexual intercourse? You'll seek out boys, but then you'll soon get tired of penis etc. etc. etc." (Oh sure, not only I am a repressed gay confused hetero; I'm also a sexual teeter-totter. Now excuse me, I have a lot of swings to do... )
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02.10.2014 - 23:23
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Tage Westerlund
Beograd pride... well after last pride like 6 years ago when it was huge riots like in Balkan wars, Beograd city banned it , now they did not re new banning order, same time did not say YES, it happened and it was calm, suprsielly calm .. I hope it will be so calm next time as well
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08.10.2014 - 11:35
Nucky

Honestly said I don't really care who is having sex with who. It's their personal thing and none of my bussiness.. I don't mind gay,bisex people as long as they don't neg me with their shit.. But I don't support these Gay Pride parades.. It's mostly useless and also mostly ends up with hooligans fighting the police and kicking some gay ass.. I also don't understand why gay people say how it's their personal thing who they like and that they are gay but on the other hand the whole fucking world must know they are gay.. Who cares really? If you prefer ass over pussy, then it's your damn problem.. Also more pussy for me
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08.10.2014 - 12:25
Vombatus
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Written by Nucky on 08.10.2014 at 11:35

I also don't understand why gay people say how it's their personal thing who they like and that they are gay but on the other hand the whole fucking world must know they are gay.. Who cares really?


I always found quite bizarre this attitude of some LGBT groups to have to proclaim around the world their choice and to auto-segregate themselves through clubs, parties, other places especially reserved for "their condition" and at the same time ask everyone not to discriminate them when they actually apply a form of discrimination to themselves.... :

If they want people to see them as everyone else, they shouldn't use sexual preference as a differentiation weapon. It mostly backfires on them, I think.
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08.10.2014 - 13:02
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Tage Westerlund
Written by Nucky on 08.10.2014 at 11:35

Honestly said I don't really care who is having sex with who. It's their personal thing and none of my bussiness.. I don't mind gay,bisex people as long as they don't neg me with their shit.. But I don't support these Gay Pride parades.. It's mostly useless and also mostly ends up with hooligans fighting the police and kicking some gay ass.. I also don't understand why gay people say how it's their personal thing who they like and that they are gay but on the other hand the whole fucking world must know they are gay.. Who cares really? If you prefer ass over pussy, then it's your damn problem.. Also more pussy for me


those gay wright activists can be level same level as animal wright, some just search to fight and troubles, but same time banning those events is discrimation ... then we can ban football fan corteo as well, some art ppl gathering and so on ...I don't want to say there are E Europe, I want say there are one Europe, but seems there isn't
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08.10.2014 - 20:54
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Written by Vombatus on 08.10.2014 at 12:25

I always found quite bizarre this attitude of some LGBT groups to have to proclaim around the world their choice and to auto-segregate themselves through clubs, parties, other places especially reserved for "their condition" and at the same time ask everyone not to discriminate them when they actually apply a form of discrimination to themselves.... :

If they want people to see them as everyone else, they shouldn't use sexual preference as a differentiation weapon. It mostly backfires on them, I think.


I think it's useless to say that, in some countries, people live with the idea that homosexuality is unnatural and shouldn't exist - of course mostly because of religion. In my country for example gays are still insulted, attacked and beaten even if they're just seen holding hands like all lovers do. There are also cases of suicide among young teenagers, or adults forced to get married with a woman and have children, but eventually they give up at the age of 40/50/60 and start searching for quick gay dates in those miserable chatrooms.

Auto-segregation is a natural (or better: social) form of defense, and it's often needed to express yourself a bit more quietly in places where you don't have to be afraid. Without this, an individual gay/bi/lesbian would find very hard (if not dangerous) to look for a partner and have some sentimental/sexual experiences - you just can't go around asking "hey I'm gay and I like you, are you gay too?", because some would just laugh and kindly answer "no", while others would feel offended and call their nazi friends to break your ribs. Shit is real.

For me, going to a gay pub is kinda like metalheads attending a gig or going to a rock/metal pub: places where you can meet other dudes with your same tastes and have a good time. There's nothing inherently bad about it. I went to a couple of gay pubs (even a lesbian pub with a friend of mine) last year and... I mean, they were just pretty normal places, where cool music was played (indie-rock and the like). But it was good to be there because you could look around and maybe approach someone without feeling like an outlaw or something. And yes, there are also gay bars a bit more, err, showy. But I guess it depends on what you're looking for.
On the other hand, gay prides are a different matter because they're made to raise public awareness, but imho they end up as clownings, if you know what I mean. I just don't sympathize with this kind of demonstration.
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09.10.2014 - 02:04
Vombatus
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Written by God Alone on 08.10.2014 at 20:54

I think it's useless to say that, in some countries, people live with the idea that homosexuality is unnatural and shouldn't exist - of course mostly because of religion. In my country for example gays are still insulted, attacked and beaten even if they're just seen holding hands like all lovers do. There are also cases of suicide among young teenagers, or adults forced to get married with a woman and have children, but eventually they give up at the age of 40/50/60 and start searching for quick gay dates in those miserable chatrooms.

Auto-segregation is a natural (or better: social) form of defense, and it's often needed to express yourself a bit more quietly in places where you don't have to be afraid. Without this, an individual gay/bi/lesbian would find very hard (if not dangerous) to look for a partner and have some sentimental/sexual experiences - you just can't go around asking "hey I'm gay and I like you, are you gay too?", because some would just laugh and kindly answer "no", while others would feel offended and call their nazi friends to break your ribs. Shit is real.

For me, going to a gay pub is kinda like metalheads attending a gig or going to a rock/metal pub: places where you can meet other dudes with your same tastes and have a good time. There's nothing inherently bad about it. I went to a couple of gay pubs (even a lesbian pub with a friend of mine) last year and... I mean, they were just pretty normal places, where cool music was played (indie-rock and the like). But it was good to be there because you could look around and maybe approach someone without feeling like an outlaw or something. And yes, there are also gay bars a bit more, err, showy. But I guess it depends on what you're looking for.
On the other hand, gay prides are a different matter because they're made to raise public awareness, but imho they end up as clownings, if you know what I mean. I just don't sympathize with this kind of demonstration.


Was mostly refering to places where being gay/les/tran is overall not a problem, and being very general. Obviously you got a good point specifying about the difference between countries and that there are multitude of specific cases....
I can understand the auto-segregation thing, I've lived a couple of years in a city where gay/les community is really big so I'm familiar with this kinda stuff, and see it normal.

But my main point was, even if auto-segregation is a useful mean to serve a specific group (like for any minority), can this group really hope that someday they might be looked upon without the "stigma" of being this or that if they perpetuate these actions ? Or maybe they should just assume that their condition will always bring upon some form of prejudice (be it positive or negative, not judging) and they should live with it without making so much efforts to appear as "normal" as possible to the eyes of everyone else ? Again I'm taking from a point of view of tolerant societies, where lgbt groups have great presence and can get quite zealous over their objectives. I assume that most gay/les/tran don't give a shit about this issue, but a couple of them seem really obssessed with it.
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09.10.2014 - 03:48
Rasputin

I think most people would find that more people have an aversion to the LGBT groups, then homosexuals themselves. It is the LGBT overbearing attitude of force feeding everyone to accept their agenda regardless if the people like it or not. In Serbia they just had a parade where 7000 police officers had to secure a parade for 300, who were mostly foreigners. To make things interesting, there were people who wore provocative signs about religion, god or Patriarchs of the Serbian Church. Does not seem very tolerant to me from a group who wants to be tolerated. EU/USA "values" are not everyone's values.
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09.10.2014 - 12:02
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Tage Westerlund
Rasputin - orthodox church is shit , tahst why Serbia needs be occupy by Croatia (even chatolicism is same shit more liberal), Russia by Estonia and make , Greece by ancestors
I can believe in our economical problems and no jobs, apartments, govemnent and far rights use money and resources to this issue , like I always said ppl who can not have e kids or don't want have are higher ranking in hierarchy, those who has lower .... homosexuality is not a problem, no jobs, money are
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09.10.2014 - 21:55
Rasputin

Written by Bad English on 09.10.2014 at 12:02

Rasputin - orthodox church is shit , tahst why Serbia needs be occupy by Croatia (even chatolicism is same shit more liberal), Russia by Estonia and make , Greece by ancestors
I can believe in our economical problems and no jobs, apartments, govemnent and far rights use money and resources to this issue , like I always said ppl who can not have e kids or don't want have are higher ranking in hierarchy, those who has lower .... homosexuality is not a problem, no jobs, money are

All churches are shit, and you are right, money is the problem, however, when people have nothing to eat, and there are no jobs, and no perspective for the future, do you really think that homosexuality and LGBT issues are the biggest problem to solve? Serbia is not USA, and USA is not USA anymore, but in USA they have nothing better to do and they can waste time and money for these parades, but Serbia cannot afford this, and this is the last thing on everyone's mind. The majority of Serbs still think that homosexuality is a mental problem, and I do not disagree with them. There is a time and place for everything, this is not one of those things.
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09.10.2014 - 21:57
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Tage Westerlund
Written by Rasputin on 09.10.2014 at 21:55

Written by Bad English on 09.10.2014 at 12:02

Rasputin - orthodox church is shit , tahst why Serbia needs be occupy by Croatia (even chatolicism is same shit more liberal), Russia by Estonia and make , Greece by ancestors
I can believe in our economical problems and no jobs, apartments, govemnent and far rights use money and resources to this issue , like I always said ppl who can not have e kids or don't want have are higher ranking in hierarchy, those who has lower .... homosexuality is not a problem, no jobs, money are

All churches are shit, and you are right, money is the problem, however, when people have nothing to eat, and there are no jobs, and no perspective for the future, do you really think that homosexuality and LGBT issues are the biggest problem to solve? Serbia is not USA, and USA is not USA anymore, but in USA they have nothing better to do and they can waste time and money for these parades, but Serbia cannot afford this, and this is the last thing on everyone's mind. The majority of Serbs still think that homosexuality is a mental problem, and I do not disagree with them. There is a time and place for everything, this is not one of those things.


what I mean ppl focus how to ban homosexuality not as solve food, money and work issues ...
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09.10.2014 - 23:30
Rasputin

Well that's because they keep getting bombarded with LGBT stuff, and when you are aggressive like that you will get people upset with you. In the USA they keep people distracted by stupid news, games, shows and sports, so they don't think about anything, or they just instigate a conflict so you would focus all of your attention there. And as far as food and other things are concerned with Serbia, there's nothing that can be done, since EU is calling the shots, and it will get only worse.
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09.10.2014 - 23:41
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Tage Westerlund
Written by Rasputin on 09.10.2014 at 23:30

Well that's because they keep getting bombarded with LGBT stuff, and when you are aggressive like that you will get people upset with you. In the USA they keep people distracted by stupid news, games, shows and sports, so they don't think about anything, or they just instigate a conflict so you would focus all of your attention there. And as far as food and other things are concerned with Serbia, there's nothing that can be done, since EU is calling the shots, and it will get only worse.


true and tv series and reality shows .. as well but still I have nothing aganst those ppl as homosexually generally
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09.10.2014 - 23:47
Rasputin

Written by Bad English on 09.10.2014 at 23:41

Written by Rasputin on 09.10.2014 at 23:30

Well that's because they keep getting bombarded with LGBT stuff, and when you are aggressive like that you will get people upset with you. In the USA they keep people distracted by stupid news, games, shows and sports, so they don't think about anything, or they just instigate a conflict so you would focus all of your attention there. And as far as food and other things are concerned with Serbia, there's nothing that can be done, since EU is calling the shots, and it will get only worse.


true and tv series and reality shows .. as well but still I have nothing aganst those ppl as homosexually generally

I personally don't have anything against them, I even know some here in the USA, but they do not try to shove an agenda in your face and force you to believe what they believe or force you to support them. They are also not the ones who try to create conflict with their paroles and parades like they do that in Serbia and few other countries. I don't condone their behavior, nor do I support it, but if they don't bother me, I don't bother them. That is tolerance.
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12.10.2014 - 14:15
Nucky

Written by Bad English on 08.10.2014 at 13:02

Written by Nucky on 08.10.2014 at 11:35

Honestly said I don't really care who is having sex with who. It's their personal thing and none of my bussiness.. I don't mind gay,bisex people as long as they don't neg me with their shit.. But I don't support these Gay Pride parades.. It's mostly useless and also mostly ends up with hooligans fighting the police and kicking some gay ass.. I also don't understand why gay people say how it's their personal thing who they like and that they are gay but on the other hand the whole fucking world must know they are gay.. Who cares really? If you prefer ass over pussy, then it's your damn problem.. Also more pussy for me


those gay wright activists can be level same level as animal wright, some just search to fight and troubles, but same time banning those events is discrimation ... then we can ban football fan corteo as well, some art ppl gathering and so on ...I don't want to say there are E Europe, I want say there are one Europe, but seems there isn't


But there is a difference.. Animal activists fight for animals who are tortured,owners don't feed them, live in terrible conditions.. Gay people have jobs,houses, actually they have pretty normal life compared to those abused animals.. I don't mind LGTB activism at all but it's mostly useless.. Specially now when they have equal rights as straight people but on the other hand they are the ones who scream "accept me, I'm gay".. Whats the use of gay pubs,bars? Don't they moan how they are equal to straight people.. They can walk into any bar they want, but I can only imagine their reaction if a straight person would come to their bar.. On one hand they say sexual orientation is personal but then they march and show the whole country they are gay.. Gee I thought sexual orientation is something personal.. A lot of attention whore among them and they use "their fight" to show off and be in center of attention..
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12.10.2014 - 14:25
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Tage Westerlund
I agree, but in Russia, islam states does hey have rights? yes they life in many cases are ok, but still can you say in Balkans you can get a job if openly say you're gay
banning those and so on when we have problems to solve, like how to re build our armies in case if isis invading same time whit Rus ... we have way to more serious problems to solve
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12.10.2014 - 16:32
Nucky

Well in some islamic countries women can't vote and they year is 2014.. Also they are mostly owned by men.. But I guess nobody minds that, the problem is that one gay person gets his ass kicked on Pride Parade.. Why would he even say he is gay? Keep that for yourself, I don't tell people I like girls. About the balkans, the problems began with pride parades..
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