I don't mind homosexuals at all. Ive had quite a few bisexuals and homosexual friends over the years and I can understand why some of them would be more attracted to the same sex. This is just from my friend though, she says that sometimes loving a woman is alot easier then trusting a guy, because she has been hurt so many times her life. None of them are imposing of their orienatation either, and I don't agree with the stereotype that all homosexuals shove their opinion and announce their sexuality at everyone. Its really not like that, there are still alot of homosexuals ( depending on community ) who don't come clean because of the impact and condemnation from their families etc.

I especially feel sorry for a person who is homosexual and is courted into getting married to a heterosexual because of the pressures of society. Of course, you have the select few who are very avid about their opinion and gay rights, but I have nothing against that. Think of all the other times in history where a group of people protested/rallied/created a rights group because of societies hypocrisies. And I agree with their cause, especially in here in Jerusalem where homosexuals can be stabbed or lynched by a group of religious fanatics...from all three religions.

About influnce, and exposing children to homosexuality...if you look at the big pciture, pretty much the same, and on a much larger scale is sex being exposed and talked about in everything around us. I mean, children watch a disney movie, there has to be story of two heterosexual people in love, or they are waiting at a bus stop and see a big sign of a woman wearing skimpy clothes. Basically, if you are going to complain about the image that homosexuals present in parades or media, just think about how heterosexality and gender roles have applied all throughout history.

Written by Ernis on 04.09.2007 at 22:01

I'm with Aronax and SkattleSkank speaking of this issue and consider Hyvaarin's first responses slightly cruel...I have nothing against gay people (lol I support lesbians....but only if both girls are hot ; ) but all in all I agree, that the over-hyping of this subject in society is negative....they make this a fashion.....we already know about the classical situation where a heterosexual white guy is left unemployed because instead of him, a black lesbian woman is hired.....the discrimination topic here again....in the end those who claim to have been discriminated, will discriminate others....I also think that a family should have both a good father and a good mother...a child should have as calm and positive and strong environment as possible....
This is fucking annoying if some teens brag about them being gays/bis and making a show off of the sickness...."Oh, look at me! I'm so cool and special....I'm bi!!" This is sick....

Indeed.....I accept gay people if they practice their gayness with each other in private and not make some world's headlines of it.....even worse...if they start feeding these habits to the whole world...

Over-population? Not in Serbia...not in Estonia...we have under-population....our nationalities have negative birthrates....and I don't just blame gays....I do blame also people who prefer to have a chihuahua dog, flat screen TV-set and lottsa parties and sex etc daily instead of having kids, working for healthy life and loving those who are close to you.....modern society only encourages sex, discos, fashion, money, clothes, cars, cosmetics etc and gay culture is a part of it....and by far, not the nicest part......

Pretty good thoughts you have there!

Written by Ernis on 04.09.2007 at 22:30

Written by Stalker on 04.09.2007 at 22:28

Pretty good thoughts you have there!

Seriously? No...this is just a summary of my thoughts I had at the moment....and as I said....I'm with Aro and SkattleSkank.....

Well, yeah! All of you pointed out some pretty reasonable facts, without being rude and all.

Written by Ernis on 04.09.2007 at 22:37

Written by Stalker on 04.09.2007 at 22:34

Written by Ernis on 04.09.2007 at 22:30

Written by Stalker on 04.09.2007 at 22:28

Pretty good thoughts you have there!

Seriously? No...this is just a summary of my thoughts I had at the moment....and as I said....I'm with Aro and SkattleSkank.....

Well, yeah! All of you pointed out some pretty reasonable facts, without being rude and all.

Thanks then....I always try to be honest....even if people don't like what I try to say.....

Well thats good characteristic. People should appreciate that. Thats the most valuable thing you can have, and I always appreciate when someone says truth, even if it hurts me.

Anyway, I wanted to say one thing: I dont know is that the case everywhere, but I dont really see what the fact is that thing with gay hairdressers I mean, my gf goes to gay hairdressers, and they charge 3times more than "normal" ones, like you have some diploma if youre gay, or what... That makes me wanne beat the crap out of them, not because thyre gay, but because thats just unfair, its criminal.

EDIT: What the fuck?!? Is this some joke, who put that "free gay fitness" banner on Metal Storm???
Or they show up automaticaly??

Written by Stalker on 04.09.2007 at 22:45

EDIT: What the fuck?!? Is this some joke, who put that "free gay fitness" banner on Metal Storm???
Or they show up automaticaly??

lol if you're talking about the banners in the very top of the page, it's ok, they just show up automatically and sometimes referring to something in the page, if you're not talking about that, we're fucked

the very very weird thing here is that the gay community is so underground or people just aren't inclined towards their own sex, that i know almost no real lesbians(party lesbos are fun though ) or gays, whereas i can see people here are talking about 11 year old gay guys... wtf??

Written by Hyvaarin on 04.09.2007 at 15:27

Written by Guest on 04.09.2007 at 14:32

Being attracted to the same gender is biologically wrong and no one can deny that.

Uh...what?

I think you're taking his statement the wrong way. It's biologically wrong because the parts do not fit naturally like the penis and vagina would. Notice, the anal cavity doesn't produce lubrication fluid, that's why gay guys have to use vaseline to make their sex work. So yeah, it's unnatural by nature is what I think was meant.

Written by Valentin B on 04.09.2007 at 23:03

Written by Stalker on 04.09.2007 at 22:45

EDIT: What the fuck?!? Is this some joke, who put that "free gay fitness" banner on Metal Storm???
Or they show up automaticaly??

lol if you're talking about the banners in the very top of the page, it's ok, they just show up automatically and sometimes referring to something in the page, if you're not talking about that, we're fucked

the very very weird thing here is that the gay community is so underground or people just aren't inclined towards their own sex, that i know almost no real lesbians(party lesbos are fun though ) or gays, whereas i can see people here are talking about 11 year old gay guys... wtf??

LOL yeah, I saw "adds by google" later....

Written by Guest on 04.09.2007 at 14:32

Being attracted to the same gender is biologically wrong and no one can deny that. This is why I don't like homosexuality.

What the hell? This sounds as unintelligent as positioning yourself against pharmaceutical and medical advances because they do not let you fight a disease "in the natural way", or discriminating against colourblind people for being unable to differentiate between those wonderful natural colours. This raises the eternal question whether homosexuality is a disease or not - if you look at some examples of several species (like dolphins or monkeys), there is a sizeable amount of homosexual (and more often bisexual) activity [citation needed lol] with completely healthy individuals. Which, in my opinion, proves that homosexuals are not ill: they are just few among the entire world population. Homosexuals are not a disease, they are a minority. For example, if you pick 10 random humans, they are more likely to be heterosexual than homosexual because of the vast majority of heterosexual population, like there are more probably more right-handed than left-handed people or more Asians than Australians. Does this mean Australians are freaks or a disease? Obviously not. They are just a minority compared to so many Chinese and Indian people. Homosexuality is not anormal: it is uncommon.

Written by APOHAKC on 04.09.2007 at 16:12

Is that means that when gay say he don't like heterosexuals it is ok, and when I say that I don't like gays, that is discrimination?

Yes. As I stated before, it is like saying you don't like Australians. If you are skeptical about homosexual people, you are automatically separating and highlighting them from the rest of humanity, which is called discrimination. Anyway, discriminating against homosexuals is as stupid as discriminating against heterosexuals, bisexuals, left-handed people or Nicaraguans. (I agree that 'positive discrimination' does not exist, by the way.)

Written by APOHAKC on 04.09.2007 at 16:12
Discrimination would be if I said that they don't deserve any rights, and that they deserve nothing but death, that would be discrimination. Gay Prides are idiotic manifestations of stench, perversion and sickness, and beside that, they are pointless, cause everyone normal after seeing them march would not give them any rights, cause they look like they jumped from some really bad sadomasochist porn, with dark leather, chains, tongues... Do you all want your children to watch them in public? I don't. Do you want your children to see their parade and to think it is normal??

I think I have stated the difference between 'abnormal' and 'uncommon' above . Nevertheless, I live in Spain, quite a friendly country to homosexuals (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_in_Spain): gay marriage is legal here, Madrid has been hosting Europride 2007 and gay couples are allowed to adopt children. There have been no problems to this date, and I support the laws which were passed here to grant homosexual people more rights, but I guess we have to wait a few years to see how society develops in general and adopted children in gay couples in particular. It is undemocratic (I am no supporter of democracy but that's a different story) and illogical to forbid child adoption or other rights to homosexuals because of a biased unscientific prejudice. In my opinion, it is positive to grant these rights to homosexuals in some places in the world (and I am glad that Spain is one of them), wait some years to convince scepticals and homophobes of the experiment, and then export it to the rest of the world. However, if gay-haters were right and society proved that same sex marriages and child adoption are a mistake, the model will no longer be exported, but we can say that at least we tried.

As far as the "Gay Parade" is concerned, I fail to see anything more disgusting or obscene than in any other standard demonstration. Thousands of people on the streets, loud music and loads of alcohol - trust me, I went out with my friends next to the gay quarter in Madrid during Gay Pride 2005 and I had a beer with them in the center during Madrid Europride 2007, and I honestly saw almost exclusively heterosexual people (including us) there. In fact, homosexuals seemed to just organize the event. Now I find it anachronic to celebrate the Gay Pride Parade in Madrid because, as I have said before, homosexual Spaniards (and foreign visitors) have achieved in less than three years all the goals they asked for, but for sure tell whether it is more harmful for children to see two men or two women kissing, or to hear -BLEEP-loads of -BLEEP-ing profanity in -BLEEP-ing television. I would never censor either, for the record.

Written by Valentin B on 04.09.2007 at 10:38

i don't have a problem with someone being gay(i would only feel a little disgust if i saw 2 guys kissing, but 2 girls, nah :p), it would make me the biggest hypocrit ever as i am a huge rob halford fan.

At least you are sincere

Written by Taktsekte on 05.09.2007 at 00:26
if gay-haters were right and society proved that same sex marriages and child adoption are a mistake, the model will no longer be exported, but we can say that at least we tried.

And how will you know, are we right or not?

And that sound like really bad experiment too me.

Anyway, I respect your opinion, but I hope, we won't became like Spain on that matter.

No, no, you have misunderstood my point. What I mean is that homosexuality is not a disease, but an uncommon feature in some people that is regarded as 'special' just because it is minoritary, just like left-handedness, which was considered sinful in Medieval Christianity and still is in some cultures. I do not consider left-handedness a disorder, do you? Are children among left-handed families more likely to forget their abilities with the right hand? I guess not, and I seriously doubt that legalizing same-sex marriages and adoption in Spain was a bad idea. Nonetheless, if somebody speaks against gay adoption for being 'unable to transmit the sacred roles of a father and a mother', s/he should criticise adoption by singles and heterosexual divorce as well, shouldn't s/he?

Edit: @Aronax: This is the point of liberal democracy, man. As long as there is no evidence that certain freedoms are harmful to society in general (like lowering the age of consent to 4 years old) or some individuals in particular (like allowing the people and the media to harass a specific family), they have to be granted and secured. As for today, there is no proof that explains why homosexual rights have to be restricted in contrast to heterosexual rights.

I wouldn't really compare left handedness and homosexuality, it is just too absurd. And also, Medieval Christianity is past, and modern world is now. And yes, I question adoption by singles and heterosexual divorce as well, those children they are adopting loosed their families, and I think they should be raised in healthy family, with both mother and father, possibly sister or brother, I live near children village, place where children without parents live, and I can go and ask them how many of you want to be raised by homosexuals, I wonder how many of them would say yes. Family is tradition, not fashion.

I agree with Taksekte, its not a disease, in fact I don't think I can judge a homosexuals relationship with each other, its just not right for me to say. If they love each other, let them be. They don't harm anyone by existing, its not like children are any less affected by heterosexual messages. If a man can love another man with the same love as maybe I loved some females in the past, well, thats is special. The Parade in Israel was pretty damn harmless, even though the whole right wing and the religious jews ganged up on them through lies. Which I find funny, while the religious and holy people burned infrastructure and attacked policeman, the gay ( and heterosexuals, which most of the people there were ) parade was there to spread the message that there is nothing to be ashamed of if you are gay, and also with much kudos, arising the question of gay rights in this country.

I must admit, from what Ive seen, it looks hard to be a homosexual. Especially with all the pressure that the media and family gives them to have another family. To me, the idea of family is a disorder. Why would you want to bring children in this world? Unless you are living on a farm and you need to create offspring to survive, I don't see the point of bringing more children in this world. Just look around us, the message is everywhere.

You are so wrong, but that is totally off topic, maybe in some crowdy countries, but we definitely need MORE children here, much more children.

Written by Ernis on 05.09.2007 at 01:28

If a gay couple adopts a child, they'll most probably do it because of wish to show off or to brag about their new "doll"...

BULLSHIT. You have absolutely NO evidence to support this statement, and unless you can fabricate some, you should retract it ASAP.

(I agree with all your "much of the modern world is insincere, etc." speech, but to deem a sexual orientation symptomatic of this problem is ridiculous.)

Written by Guest on 04.09.2007 at 23:10

Written by Hyvaarin on 04.09.2007 at 15:27

Written by Guest on 04.09.2007 at 14:32

Being attracted to the same gender is biologically wrong and no one can deny that.

Uh...what?

I think you're taking his statement the wrong way. It's biologically wrong because the parts do not fit naturally like the penis and vagina would. Notice, the anal cavity doesn't produce lubrication fluid, that's why gay guys have to use vaseline to make their sex work. So yeah, it's unnatural by nature is what I think was meant.

I understand that much, yeah. But in another way, it IS natural - homosexuality isn't "pretend", it's a natural/inherent part of every homosexual.

Well, this certainly is a sensitive topic. I am hesitant to say that I am 'for' homosexuality, like my friend Hyvaarin, but I certainly wouldn't discriminate against someone based purely on their sexual orientation. I mean, I agree that homosexuality is a biological anomaly, but love is not a scientifically quantifiable thing, so if a man loves another man, or a woman loves a woman, then there's nothing anyone should have against it on 'scientific' grounds. I understand what Aronax was saying about the obscenities that are 'pride marches', and also with the displays of affection in public, but I don't think anyone can restrict that solely to same-sex couples. I personally find heterosexual couples that fondle each other and kiss on buses and in parks and elsewhere in public to be abhorrent. I feel that affection of that sort should be confined to private places, regardless of sexual orientation. Ultimately, I think it's their choice. Provided they don't hit on me or my sister or my children (when I have some), there's no reason for me to hold anything against them. Being against them is pretty much the same as being against black people, or white people, or different religions.

Written by baldur on 04.09.2007 at 19:01

aids is a disease that god send us to free us from gay people^^ no just a joke im not serious

its a thing of tolerance and acceptance you should tolerate gay people but you dont have to accept them
i hope you do understand what im trying to say

Exactly! This is what I mean! For example, I HATE the amount of immigrants in this country... but one of my best friends is half Iranian.

Written by APOHAKC on 05.09.2007 at 01:27

You are so wrong, but that is totally off topic, maybe in some crowdy countries, but we definitely need MORE children here, much more children.

I know what you said before , Im saying in general, I know that European countries are actually going down in birth rate. But lets say this ideal would apply to countries where the Catholic church has the right to impose doctrine on their followers, no contraception allowed therefore places like phillipines are being overcrowded. We can also appy this template to other more crowded nations or cities where the image of family is of high value in society ( which imo is a common trait amongst all cultures. period ). I used to study alittle of European culture so I know that in the older times, if a man didn't have a family, it was harder for them to pursue a professional career. And plus, Europes decline in birth rate is in comparsion, a fraction, compared to the astounding rate of birth that Asian and African countries are producing.

I have nothing against homosexuality, in fact I think it is not my business what they want to do. If kids see some gay pride parade or some other similar event, I doubt they'll think something like:"They are gays. It seems to be trendy. I think I should become one too", because orientation is not something one can choose, it is the same as if a person is attracted to some kind of girls more than others etc.

So I see no reason to discriminate someone because of something they can't choose, it is unfair in my opinion, and anyway I think everyone should have the freedom to do what they want(obviously if it doesn't harm others).

As I think that it is everyone's personal choice whether they want to have children or no, and I think no one is obliged to such things, I don't see a problem with that either.

About adoption, I won't take an opinion on this matter, at first glance it seems okay to me, but then again, I am not familiar with psychology, what effect the family will have on children etc. so I won't say anything about that until I know more.

Gay Pride... I agree that sometimes it is too provocative but at the core I have nothing against it as I think everyone should have equal rights.

Its a choice of two people so I see no reason why to forbid it, and why should anyone have right for this. Of course it is also absurd in my opinion if gays have more rights than heteros, because I think they are not better but equal. I personally haven't seen such a thing happen and it sounds quite ridiculous to be honest

But, still, no one answer my question. What is the point of gay prides and similar parades?

Written by APOHAKC on 07.09.2007 at 23:06

But, still, no one answer my question. What is the point of gay prides and similar parades?

There is none. they dont catch us straights going around being proud about it. I think its something that minorities do to compensate for their lack in numbers or political power or both. If I was to start a straight pride parade, people would call me homophobic. If I was to start acting proud to be white, people would call me racist. My question is what gives minorities the right to do this?

Written by Chaosgoat on 08.09.2007 at 00:20

Written by APOHAKC on 07.09.2007 at 23:06

But, still, no one answer my question. What is the point of gay prides and similar parades?

There is none. they dont catch us straights going around being proud about it. I think its something that minorities do to compensate for their lack in numbers or political power or both. If I was to start a straight pride parade, people would call me homophobic. If I was to start acting proud to be white, people would call me racist. My question is what gives minorities the right to do this?

Well, I beg to differ on that. The point of a 'pride march' is to show that you're proud of being what you are despite the stigma that is attached to you by general society. Now, homosexuals have been marginalised lots by societies, so to show us that they're still there and not giving a shit what we think about them they go on these marches.

Written by APOHAKC on 07.09.2007 at 23:06

But, still, no one answer my question. What is the point of gay prides and similar parades?

Ahem...

Written by Hyvaarin on 04.09.2007 at 16:06

But there IS a point - to acknowledge the end of unfair stereotyping/discrimination. But then, given the attitudes of a disappointly large number of posters here, celebrations might be a bit premature...

(and what Judas said, too)

Bah, sounds stupid to me, in that case all sort of people, not only gays, that are living by different life style than "normal" people should make prides and such bullshits.

Written by APOHAKC on 08.09.2007 at 17:43

Bah, sounds stupid to me, in that case all sort of people, not only gays, that are living by different life style than "normal" people should make prides and such bullshits.

Well, they do! Perhaps not in Serbia, but at least here, many minority groups have marches and those sorts of things. The Aboriginal Australians have their own celebrations from time to time, the various religions all celebrate their festivals in different ways, and immigrant communities have their own functions. Just because the homosexual ones are abhorrent in practice (I find them despicable, personally), in principle they're quite sound. Think for a second - if they didn't do all the foul things that they end up doing on those marches, and actually took proper dignified pride in their homosexuality, would you have such a big problem with their marches? They wouldn't be doing anyone any harm at all!

Hm, yes. Also the way I see it, the demonstrations are to protest against discriminations or stereotypings of all sorts. I'm not talking about that there should be a difference in the fact that whether a victim is gay or not(if the attack was not because of the orientation) but the protest is probably more against the general bad prejudices, which I think can't be denied, they exist. Of course there is no point to force an opinion on someone but maybe in the future there will be no need for such parades, because there will be no significant bad attitude. Like for example, left-handed people don't make parades, because they are considered normal. So that is probably the difference why all kinds of random minorities don't make demonstrations, there is no need to, while in some cases(like gays) there is(at least in their opinion). Although I agree that the gay pride parades are usually(at least what gets shown on tv) too provocative and so on...

(I didn't mean any offense with the post, so if anyone took, it was unintended.)

Written by Judas on 08.09.2007 at 09:19

Written by Chaosgoat on 08.09.2007 at 00:20

Written by APOHAKC on 07.09.2007 at 23:06

But, still, no one answer my question. What is the point of gay prides and similar parades?

There is none. they dont catch us straights going around being proud about it. I think its something that minorities do to compensate for their lack in numbers or political power or both. If I was to start a straight pride parade, people would call me homophobic. If I was to start acting proud to be white, people would call me racist. My question is what gives minorities the right to do this?

Well, I beg to differ on that. The point of a 'pride march' is to show that you're proud of being what you are despite the stigma that is attached to you by general society. Now, homosexuals have been marginalised lots by societies, so to show us that they're still there and not giving a shit what we think about them they go on these marches.

you have a good point, but there would be less of a stigma attached if people wouldn't make a big deal about it. I have friends who are bi and they just act normally, and dont do the whole gay culture thing, and no one cares about their sexual preference, so I am against attaching a culture to something your born with.

Written by Guest on 08.09.2007 at 23:01

Hm, yes. Also the way I see it, the demonstrations are to protest against discriminations or stereotypings of all sorts. I'm not talking about that there should be a difference in the fact that whether a victim is gay or not(if the attack was not because of the orientation) but the protest is probably more against the general bad prejudices, which I think can't be denied, they exist. Of course there is no point to force an opinion on someone but maybe in the future there will be no need for such parades, because there will be no significant bad attitude. Like for example, left-handed people don't make parades, because they are considered normal. So that is probably the difference why all kinds of random minorities don't make demonstrations, there is no need to, while in some cases(like gays) there is(at least in their opinion). Although I agree that the gay pride parades are usually(at least what gets shown on tv) too provocative and so on...

(I didn't mean any offense with the post, so if anyone took, it was unintended.)

Call me racist, but I do have prejudices about this, and I know I don't want my little sister to watch. There is nothing proud in this, maybe proud to be retard, but it is only perverted and sick. If they wear clothes and march normally with transparent that is ok, but this?!

Written by Chaosgoat on 08.09.2007 at 23:58

you have a good point, but there would be less of a stigma attached if people wouldn't make a big deal about it. I have friends who are bi and they just act normally, and dont do the whole gay culture thing, and no one cares about their sexual preference, so I am against attaching a culture to something your born with.

You present the 'whole gay culture thing' as something that is a reaction on violence, but it isn't. It is something people enjoy.

Written by Lucas on 09.09.2007 at 03:08

Written by Chaosgoat on 08.09.2007 at 23:58

you have a good point, but there would be less of a stigma attached if people wouldn't make a big deal about it. I have friends who are bi and they just act normally, and dont do the whole gay culture thing, and no one cares about their sexual preference, so I am against attaching a culture to something your born with.

You present the 'whole gay culture thing' as something that is a reaction on violence, but it isn't. It is something people enjoy.

Ok you win. I guess I find it alittle disgusting(the culture not the people)*see above pics* , so I am a little biased. But on the other hand, metal owes something to gay culture, and if Rob Halford(judas preist) wasnt gay then there would be no leather or studs in metal culture.