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Posted by {aud}devil on 19.09.2007 at 04:05
Before you opened this forum, I bet you were scratching your head over the title. well, I wouldn't create this if I didn't do my research. Here is my theory:

For millions of years, there have been wars. Difference of religion, i believe, is the cause of all major wars.

for example, The American Revolution. People have immigrated to the united states to rid themselves of religious prosecution.

also, the war in iraq. The american troops are merely aides in reform. The real war is between the sunnis and the shites.

Does anyone agree with my theory or am i nuts?



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FourMechALYX

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  15.01.2013 at 02:37
I think that it is not purely religion that causes war, but intolerance of different religions. Any religion that does not teach its followers to be violent cannot cause violence by itself, but it is people not accepting others or wanting to live peacefully that causes war. That intolerance, though I'm not going to make any over-arching statement, I think is the cause of a large percentage of wars, because if people accepted each other peacefully you wouldn't have any border wars, religious wars or quite of few other kinds of wars. That does leave out energy wars though, those are their own thing. The world would be very different if we were not in need of new fuel sources at all times or fearing that we may run out.
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Nemo Atkins

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  07.10.2013 at 03:50
I don't necessarily disagree with that theory, but it's not the way I see things. The way I see it, war can be started by any person, no matter whether they are religious or not. The only reason the religious connection is far more prominent with history is because, in those times, religion was a big thing. In some countries today, it still is, but it was a life and death thing back then: if you weren't religious, you could be completely cast out of society. So, the religious connection is really a bit of a coincidence on some of the famous conflicts, as those times were far more grounded in religion. I stress "some" here: there are conflicts out there which genuinely can be traced down to one side not liking the other for religious reasons and I am not going to deny that (for example, the inquisition, the crucades and, technically, the Holocaust: the nazis didn't like the Jewish community and wanted them exterminated). I just feel that there is often more to the theory of religion being the cause of all war than some people give credit for, since the times they usually bring up are very different from our own and, because those times were very religious, it is easy for us to read into them from our modern (and noticeably less religious) outlook and come out with something that was legitimately not what the thing was really about.

(Also, for the sake of throwing out one of my own theories: I always felt that the negative aspects of religion were not caused by religion itself, but mankind abusing religion for various reasons. I'm not religious myself, but I do try to follow most Christian values and I do find that, in times of great need, praying can make me feel more comfortable, as it allows me to think that there is someone out there who can hear what I say and hopefully make things better. So, I know that religion, when kept strictly as a personal thing, can be beneficial in some ways to people, as it can give them something to keep hoping for when things get too tough for them to manage on their own. Organised religion is where I get a bit concerned, but that's more because I feel that you shouldn't need someone to tell you what to believe. I feel that anyone having power over another person needs the morales of a person who knows the power he can wield and the humility to not abuse it, which is where religion can get a bad name when people without those morales get high ranking roles (or, at least, not the second half of that). So, in a way, my issue with religion is not actually religion, but mankind. Maybe I'm being really pessimistic there, but it's the way I see things.)
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  09.04.2014 at 00:14
Religion itself doesn't cause war, it's the people who warp the original intentions of their respective religions to suit their own ends, as a way of gaining power (look to Constantine for example), which inflates self-righteous beliefs that their faith is "the one true faith" and that others are heresy, thus resulting in impending conflict.
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deadone
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  28.04.2014 at 08:55
People cause war. Relgion's just one of those handy reasons for going to war.
Ganondox

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  22.06.2014 at 18:58
Written by {aud}devil on 19.09.2007 at 04:05

Before you opened this forum, I bet you were scratching your head over the title. well, I wouldn't create this if I didn't do my research. Here is my theory:

For millions of years, there have been wars. Difference of religion, i believe, is the cause of all major wars.

for example, The American Revolution. People have immigrated to the united states to rid themselves of religious prosecution.

also, the war in iraq. The american troops are merely aides in reform. The real war is between the sunnis and the shites.

Does anyone agree with my theory or am i nuts?


You are nuts. The American Revolution has nothing to do with religion whatsoever. Yes, some people came to America to escape religious persecution, but that was long before the war started. People came to American for a wide variety of reasons, many of them economically based. The war was based on economic divisions between Britain and America, not religious ones. While the conflict going on in Iraq is based in religion, the US intervened because of oil.
JayMo4

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  25.06.2014 at 05:14
Allowing political leaders to manipulate us into fighting causes wars. It just so happens that religion is an outstanding tool of coercion. Political loyalties often operate in very much the same way religions do, of course. It's just one more dogmatic belief system for most people.
You wield immense power as a leader once you understand how to tap into those dogmatic impulses that come with religion, that come with politics, that come with culture. Tap into our fears and insecurities and we're yours.

All that said, sometimes these leaders have religious motivations of their own, so yes: Sometimes it's still about religion in a direct way. Sometimes it's about money/power/land/that type of stuff. Sometimes its about political and economic ideology, which I suppose is somewhat of a combination of the two (again, because political ideology operates so much like religion. If you have a system that is unquestionably what is best for everyone whether they realize it or not, it doesn't matter if you're trying to save souls or run a nation, the results are often much the same.)

Preventing war requires logic and skepticism (and perhaps a bit of compassion is always helpful,) plus the will and organization necessary to resist war-mongering politicians.
LordHypnos

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  26.06.2014 at 16:18
Written by deadone on 28.04.2014 at 08:55

People cause war. Religion's just one of those handy reasons for going to war.

I agree with you. Even if all religions were to disappear, mankind would still need an excuse to cause wars. To me, war is part of the human condition. The only way to end all wars is by destroying humankind itself. But who would want to do that?
IronAngel

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  26.06.2014 at 16:22
Written by LordHypnos on 26.06.2014 at 16:18

To me, war is part of the human condition. The only way to end all wars is by destroying humankind itself. But who would want to do that?


I agree. Furthermore, you could replace "war" with "religion" in that statement, and I would agree even more.
Stoned Crow

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  07.07.2014 at 23:10
Perhaps war causes religion.
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deadone
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  08.07.2014 at 01:48
Written by Stoned Crow on 07.07.2014 at 23:10

Perhaps war causes religion.



Or not. What do you have to back that assertion up especially when Judaism, Islam, Shintoism, Hinduism or Buddhism do not have their origins in war (though Islam certainly was rife with armed conflict in early days). Christianity is perhaps the only main religion born directly out of conflict - i.e. Roman occupation of Palestine/Israel.
Stoned Crow

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  08.07.2014 at 05:35
Written by deadone on 08.07.2014 at 01:48

Written by Stoned Crow on 07.07.2014 at 23:10

Perhaps war causes religion.



Or not. What do you have to back that assertion up especially when Judaism, Islam, Shintoism, Hinduism or Buddhism do not have their origins in war (though Islam certainly was rife with armed conflict in early days). Christianity is perhaps the only main religion born directly out of conflict - i.e. Roman occupation of Palestine/Israel.


When did a statement beginning with "perhaps" become an assertion?
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deadone
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  08.07.2014 at 05:36
Written by Stoned Crow on 08.07.2014 at 05:35


When did a statement beginning with "perhaps" become an assertion?



So it's a pointless throw away line then!
Stoned Crow

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  08.07.2014 at 06:01
Written by deadone on 08.07.2014 at 05:36

Written by Stoned Crow on 08.07.2014 at 05:35


When did a statement beginning with "perhaps" become an assertion?



So it's a pointless throw away line then!


Perhaps everything is impermanent and that which is the cause of the other is trivial, at best.
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Angry Soul

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  30.07.2014 at 17:58
Religion has nothing to do with spirituality. In fact, it's created to institutionalize genuine spirituality. The real journey is always individual, as many greats including metal bands have indicated. If you see collectivized entities, be it religion or government, you can be hundred percent certain that there is a poisoner and a poisoned.

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