Overrated or not, you really think it's below all those albums that dude put in position 1 to 8 ?

Written by Guest on 08.08.2008 at 23:02

Overrated or not, you really think it's below all those albums that dude put in position 1 to 8 ?

it's his list, his opinion - last i checked he was allowed to have one.

As for TH, while it is one of my two or three favorite Darkthrone songs, the album probably falls to the middle of the pack of their catalog in my eyes. I love the first four or five tracks, but the last couple just drag a bit.

I'd go with:

The Cult is Alive
Hate Them
Under a Funeral Moon
Sardonic Wrath
A Blaze in the Northern Sky
Transilvanian Hunger
Ravishing Grimness
Plaguewielder
FOAD
Soulside Journey
Panzerfaust
Total Death
Goatlord


And depending upon my mood at the time i might bump "Ravishing Grimness" over "TH" - while it doesn't have the high points of "TH", i enjoy all the tracks, whereas i find myself getting really annoyed by the last two songs on TH and just want the album to end.

//TH is really good. While its not my fav, you cant play down its importance.I think it was very important for black metal even though i prefer Panzerfaust and A Blaze In The Northern Sky a little more. So i dont really think overrated might be the right word. All are awesome though//

//Well i mean you might not care how important it is but many people do. For example how many teenage kids in 1980 you think bought Iron Maiden's debut and thought it was the coolest thing ever. Well those kids grew up to be metallica, megadeth, opeth, dream theater etc and who we all love and worship today all because a group decided to make an album that really expressed what they felt. So therein lies the importance of something so simple as an album. And im sure the same thing goes for black metal. Darkthrone is the real deal. They put on no fake. They really believe what they say and put out. Transilvanian Hunger was i think very important to black metal and i think has made a pretty powerful impact. But this is just what i think. Anyone can think what they want and its perfectly fine. Thats the beauty of discussions like these. It expands out horizons thus furthers out opinions into something we stand for and will not budge for no man//

Written by BitterCOld on 09.08.2008 at 00:18

it's his list, his opinion - last i checked he was allowed to have one.

Last I checked I was allowed to disagree.

Last I checked... You didn't put any opinion about why that album deserves a higher place.

Written by Guest on 11.08.2008 at 16:16

Written by BitterCOld on 09.08.2008 at 00:18

it's his list, his opinion - last i checked he was allowed to have one.

Last I checked I was allowed to disagree.

I concur with what the Doc said following your post.

You have a right to disagree. Metalstorm has a right to expect more from posters than just one liners like "Darkthrone Rocks" or "Band X sucks" or "You underrated that album."

Quality control.

Offer some actual substance with your posts, or just don't post at all.

Written by BitterCOld on 11.08.2008 at 19:58

Written by Guest on 11.08.2008 at 16:16

Written by BitterCOld on 09.08.2008 at 00:18

it's his list, his opinion - last i checked he was allowed to have one.

Last I checked I was allowed to disagree.

I concur with what the Doc said following your post.

You have a right to disagree. Metalstorm has a right to expect more from posters than just one liners like "Darkthrone Rocks" or "Band X sucks" or "You underrated that album."

Quality control.

Offer some actual substance with your posts, or just don't post at all.

I tought "I do not think TH should be placed in 9th position" was actually the point of my post. I'd consider that substance.

I think it's fluff. You offer zero insight as to WHY in your opinion it deserves a higher ranking. Your post offers nothing. If that is the extent of the substance you are capable of offering, just don't bother wasting your time and everyone else's time responding.

Nobody forces you to waste your time responding to it.

Do you want an essay as to why I think TH is one of the best Darkthrone release ? Do I need to mention all the really obvious stuff like it's influence overall on the black metal scene and stuff ?

My post offers my opinion. Your words : last time I checked, I was allowed to.

indeed, nobody "forced" me to waste my time responding to your pointless post. however as a part of the MS team, i have an obligation to help see that there is some quality control in the forums. you're posts pretty much offer nothing. zero insight. i wanted to point out the shortcomings of your posts nice and early in your MS stay so that they might be corrected moving forward, and before actual staff/mods get involved.


sure, i'd really like to know why you think someone else should have it higher up on their list. in regards to a list of preference, who really gives a toss how influential an album is - either you like to listen to it or you don't. i can think of plenty 'influential' metal albums from artists i like that i absolutely abhor.

Written by BitterCOld on 11.08.2008 at 20:40

sure, i'd really like to know why you think someone else should have it higher up on their list.

Your post makes no sense considering I never forced anyone to change their list.

Written by BitterCOld on 11.08.2008 at 20:40
in regards to a list of preference, who really gives a toss how influential an album is - either you like to listen to it or you don't. i can think of plenty 'influential' metal albums from artists i like that i absolutely abhor.

Whatever I may say about why I appreciate TH more than the other albums, in the end, it's all subjective. If you discard objective topics such as an album's influence on a scene and how it compares to the rest of the discography, or how the other albums that followed it were mostly re-using the formula that they created with TH, I don't see how I could put any relevant info in my post regarding this topic.

Written by Guest on 11.08.2008 at 20:50

or how the other albums that followed it were mostly re-using the formula that they created with TH, I don't see how I could put any relevant info in my post regarding this topic.

Funny you say that, it reminds me of a quite recent (2007) interview with Fenriz (I think it was in Terrorizer), where he pretty much stated that in his opinion Transilvanian Hunger didn't really bring anything new to the table when compared to Under A Funeral Moon. I don't remember the exact quote though.

EDIT: found the quote, taken from Terrorizer, November 2007:
"I'll say Under A Funeral Moon really brought up something fresh, but Transilvanian Hunger didn't. It's funny that it became a poster boy for that kind of style whereas Snorre from Thorns and Euronymous from Mayhem were the ones to be held responsible for giving birth to that kind of necro riffing, not us."

Written by Guest on 12.08.2008 at 06:01

Written by Guest on 11.08.2008 at 20:50

or how the other albums that followed it were mostly re-using the formula that they created with TH, I don't see how I could put any relevant info in my post regarding this topic.

EDIT: found the quote, taken from Terrorizer, November 2007:
"I'll say Under A Funeral Moon really brought up something fresh, but Transilvanian Hunger didn't. It's funny that it became a poster boy for that kind of style whereas Snorre from Thorns and Euronymous from Mayhem were the ones to be held responsible for giving birth to that kind of necro riffing, not us."

That's typical Fenriz for ya! Man I'd love to get hammered drunk with that dude! For my birthday, I bought myself a Darkthrone watch from rockabilia.com. Very nice! I stick to my guns and A Blaze has been my favorite album since I heard it. The funny thing is, I found it in a store in the states where you can trade or sell CDs to them and the resale is cheaper. It was only $4.99....great condition. Some chump really lost out there! What a great album!

If anyone is curious, its 10 minutes until Darkthrone, my time.

Written by Guest on 12.08.2008 at 06:01

Written by Guest on 11.08.2008 at 20:50

or how the other albums that followed it were mostly re-using the formula that they created with TH, I don't see how I could put any relevant info in my post regarding this topic.

Funny you say that, it reminds me of a quite recent (2007) interview with Fenriz (I think it was in Terrorizer), where he pretty much stated that in his opinion Transilvanian Hunger didn't really bring anything new to the table when compared to Under A Funeral Moon. I don't remember the exact quote though.

EDIT: found the quote, taken from Terrorizer, November 2007:
"I'll say Under A Funeral Moon really brought up something fresh, but Transilvanian Hunger didn't. It's funny that it became a poster boy for that kind of style whereas Snorre from Thorns and Euronymous from Mayhem were the ones to be held responsible for giving birth to that kind of necro riffing, not us."

Interesting. It's debatable though. I consider TH to be what UaFM was supposed to be. To me TH is just spot on the prod that was needed for that kind of music. UaFM is okay, I like it a lot but it always sounded to me like they were trying to achieve something that they didn't until they released TH.

Returning on the subject of Darkthrone in general, I'd also like to mention that The Cult is Alive was imo the strongest return of Darkthrone since TH. F.O.A.D. is also really good but I dislike the fact that there are 2-3 filler songs that aren't really interesting on it.

I think 'Panzerfaust' is a really underrated album. I know it's just a case of two TH-style songs ('En Vind Av Sorg' and 'Hans Siste Vinter') in the midst of Darkthrone trying to be Venom and Celtic Frost, but I love how they bring a proper Black Metal vibe to the 80s sound. Also, 'Quintessence' has the greatest lyrics of any song ever written.

Written by Guest on 12.08.2008 at 15:16


Interesting. It's debatable though. I consider TH to be what UaFM was supposed to be. To me TH is just spot on the prod that was needed for that kind of music. UaFM is okay, I like it a lot but it always sounded to me like they were trying to achieve something that they didn't until they released TH.

I see TH kind of like the extension of the formula that was laid out on UaFM.
I like UaFM much more than TH though, because it's more mid-tempo and in-your-face.

I have my own 'Under a Funeral Moon' cover, its decent I'd say! I wonder what Darkthrone will bring to the table with the next release. What is it Black Flags and something, something...I need to look that up NOW.

HOLY FUCKKKKKKKK
Dark Thrones and Black Flags got released on the web early(was going to happen sooner or lata) anyways, the new album is FUCKING EXCELLENT.
ahhhh it's got the punk crust like elements though, holy fuck I can't stress this out enough.
best fucking album. Dark Thrones and Black Flags >FOAD

DTABF is a real grower. Can't stop listening to it in fact.

I definitely prefer it over F.O.A.D. (which i thought was only really average). It does have elements of that album, but of Sardonic Wrath and The Cult is Alive just as much. Obviously it's not an overly serious tone, but think slightly more uptempo versions of "These Shores are Damned" & "Wisdom of the Dead" and it's close to what "..Black Flags" sounds like imo.

Hardly any filler, it's got some great new hugely addictive riffage! "Norway in September" is a cracker

It actually is pretty good. Been listening to it a lot since this past weekend. At first, I wasn't TOO into this style of Darkthrone, but with this album it's kinda growing on me.

I'll definitely give it some more spins in the next couple of days.

I bought the new Darkthrone at Hot Topic today LOL. I find it funny how they're so anti-trendy music, especially lately, but their shit is sold at Hot Topic. Anyways, I like it but they really need to do something about those vocals. I'd rank it right next to FOAD, but it's still inferior to The Cult is Alive, Hate Them, and Sardonic Wrath. But, the doom riffs are back!

And I noticed that they used the same jewel case as they did last time. Sure, it looks cool, but it's a fucking bitch to get the booklet out.

I loooooove the cover art

Hot topic LOL.
I didn't know they sold that there..interesting,

I prefer their vocals this way, I really liked them.

Well I like the dirty sound of the vocals, but they're just too loud.

^I agree with that. A few of the tracks (and on FOAD too), would sound better if the vox was a bit lower in the mix imo. I do love the way they are singing these days, but when you're playing the album(s) REALLY loud, it can becoming slightly annoying

That is funny you got it at hot topic. which begs the question, wtf where you doing in a hot topic to begin with?

as for "DTaBF" being there, i'm sure it's not at the artist's directive, and i will deal with it the same way i did leaving the bookstore at the mall in the mid-90's and seeing a green BAD RELIGION t-shirt at fucking Macy's..

"meh. if some loser looking for the trendy item walks in and somehow ends up with that, maybe it'll do them good."

in my case, if it wasn't for the video to Suicidal Tendencies' "Institutionalized" appearing on Weird Al's highjacking of eMpTy-Vee for a day, who knows if i ever would have gotten into punk, which was also my gateway to more aggressive metal as well.


as for the new album, as i wrote in the review, i really dig how it's the bastard love child of their last two records. great riffs. probably my 3rd favorite DT album.

Written by BitterCOld on 07.11.2008 at 02:24

That is funny you got it at hot topic. which begs the question, wtf where you doing in a hot topic to begin with?

I went to Hot Topic to get the brand new Fallout Boy album!!!!

Nah - it's the closest CD store to my house. Besides the trendy bullshit, they have some good stuff like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Bad Brains, Circle Jerks, Bison B.C., Slayer, Exodus, etc etc and just a bunch of thrash in general. Well, not a lot of thrash per se, but more than you would think lol. Plus, it's right next to a really good cookie store

Written by Dangerboner on 07.11.2008 at 03:27

Written by BitterCOld on 07.11.2008 at 02:24

That is funny you got it at hot topic. which begs the question, wtf where you doing in a hot topic to begin with?

I went to Hot Topic to get the brand new Fallout Boy album!!!!

Nah - it's the closest CD store to my house. Besides the trendy bullshit, they have some good stuff like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Bad Brains, Circle Jerks, Bison B.C., Slayer, Exodus, etc etc and just a bunch of thrash in general. Well, not a lot of thrash per se, but more than you would think lol. Plus, it's right next to a really good cookie store

i deem this reason acceptable. if only for the cookies.

I LOVE Dark Thrones... it's a pretty digestible and easy album even compared to The Cult Is Alive, but it has a lovely attitude of bliss and freedom and hooks me... just awesome shit to listen to while drinking beer...

Written by BitterCOld on 07.11.2008 at 02:24


as for the new album, as i wrote in the review, i really dig how it's the bastard love child of their last two records. great riffs.

Indeed.

Good review btw