Lol i love how in the ending for "For Those About to Rock" it sounds like he's screaming "For those about to rock!! fuck!!" lol Brian Johnson going Alexi Laiho mode

I love everything I've heard by AC/DC so far (I heard back in black, black ice and many tracks from highway to hell and a few from high voltage). I really want to listen to all of their tracks because I don't want to say I'm a fan if I haven't heard most of their music but I have found a cool website which allows me to listen to all their albums!

Back in black is, in my opinion, the best gituar track I've ever heard along with smoke on the water!!

Written by Doc G. on 11.09.2008 at 19:47

Yeah Kiss is very overrated, and they completely betray what I think Rock N Roll stand for: being music for the under-dog, so it actually pisses me off seeing a spoiled billionaire trying to preach rock n roll. Not to mention they are the definition of sell-out, peddling their crap everywhere just to squeeze every penny. Rock N Roll is about NOT being a corporate shill.

I don't want to be unpleasant but what you're saying here sounds pretty much like what I said about metal on the Dimmu Borgir thread. I mean, when you say Rock and Roll is music for the underdog and artists should not act like sellouts and release any kind of crap to make more money. This thing about it not supposed to be corporate too.

It's basically the exact same kind of reasoning I used on the DB thread and you told me "metal isn't supposed to be anything", yet you say the opposite here, and about Rock and Roll, which is much more commercial and mainstream by definition than metal is.

Sorry, but I don't follow your reasoning. If you think this about Rock and Roll, you must think it for metal too. You cannot think it for Rock and Roll and not for metal, especially as it's more true for metal than Rock and Roll.

As for AC/DC, I'm not a hard rock fan at all but I find it quite enjoying when I'm in the right mood for it.


P.S. Don't feel attacked, I just believe there's something I miss somewhere, when I compare your comments on both threads. And we might not always agree but you seem able to discuss intelligently and reasonably.

Written by Lord_Regnier on 24.05.2009 at 04:27

Written by Doc G. on 11.09.2008 at 19:47

Yeah Kiss is very overrated, and they completely betray what I think Rock N Roll stand for: being music for the under-dog, so it actually pisses me off seeing a spoiled billionaire trying to preach rock n roll. Not to mention they are the definition of sell-out, peddling their crap everywhere just to squeeze every penny. Rock N Roll is about NOT being a corporate shill.

I don't want to be unpleasant but what you're saying here sounds pretty much like what I said about metal on the Dimmu Borgir thread. I mean, when you say Rock and Roll is music for the underdog and artists should not act like sellouts and release any kind of crap to make more money. This thing about it not supposed to be corporate too.

It's basically the exact same kind of reasoning I used on the DB thread and you told me "metal isn't supposed to be anything", yet you say the opposite here, and about Rock and Roll, which is much more commercial and mainstream by definition than metal is.

Sorry, but I don't follow your reasoning. If you think this about Rock and Roll, you must think it for metal too. You cannot think it for Rock and Roll and not for metal, especially as it's more true for metal than Rock and Roll.

As for AC/DC, I'm not a hard rock fan at all but I find it quite enjoying when I'm in the right mood for it.


P.S. Don't feel attacked, I just believe there's something I miss somewhere, when I compare your comments on both threads. And we might not always agree but you seem able to discuss intelligently and reasonably.

Well, I guess its all mindset. We just have certain degrees of it. Its what rock n roll is about for ME, Im not saying its the only way or whatnot. I find what kiss has done deplorable, but I don't think a comic book crosses the "sellout" line. Like I said, different degrees I guess.

EDIT: Thats why you'll notice I put "What I think rock n roll should stand for" not "what rock n roll stands for"

That and Kiss isn't about the music in the slightest, where I think Dimmu are still attempting to be creative.

Written by Doc G. on 24.05.2009 at 07:31

Well, I guess its all mindset. We just have certain degrees of it. Its what rock n roll is about for ME, Im not saying its the only way or whatnot. I find what kiss has done deplorable, but I don't think a comic book crosses the "sellout" line. Like I said, different degrees I guess.

EDIT: Thats why you'll notice I put "What I think rock n roll should stand for" not "what rock n roll stands for"

That and Kiss isn't about the music in the slightest, where I think Dimmu are still attempting to be creative.

I think our opinion on bands vs commercialism can depend on the way we perceive some genres, on how and why we got into them, etc. And on the way we perceive society, capitalism and materialism in our everyday life. There is a part of subjectivity in all this, probably, though there are things some bands did in the past that no one can deny and say "it's not a sellout move", unless they are blind fanboys.

And sure Dimmu's comic is nothing in terms of commercialism compared to what Kiss are doing for a very long time.

Apart from compilations and lives, Kiss only released two studio albums in 15 years. They don't make new music anymore, they only play their old songs live. Kiss is all about marketing, not music. All image no substance, even more than Manowar, if that is ever possible. Both bands are fucking garbage from my point of view, and ultra commercial. If I can say something in Kiss' favor, however, I'd say at least Kiss don't spend half their time calling people posers and the other half acting like total posers themselves (because that's what this piece of shit named Manowar are doing all the time). I apologize in case you like Manowar but there's no other band out there I despise as much as DeMaio and co. An insanely overrated shit band. Poser cheese 'metal'.
I'm not a fan of Dimmu's music but it has much more creative and musical value than Kiss or Manowar (especially since "Louder Than Hell"). And I would listen to Dimmu over these bands anytime.

To hook into the Kiss discussion here... imo it is impossible to call Kiss sell-outs cause they have ALWAYS (right from when they started) been upfront and open about the fact that the band Kiss is al about making as much money as possible no matter how it is done.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.05.2009 at 14:19

To hook into the Kiss discussion here... imo it is impossible to call Kiss sell-outs cause they have ALWAYS (right from when they started) been upfront and open about the fact that the band Kiss is al about making as much money as possible no matter how it is done.

True. I never blamed them for having turned commercial and sold out. They have always been commercial. They were already there for the money in the 70s (and to fuck as many sluts as they could, at least in Gene's case). Ha ha ha!

Written by Lord_Regnier on 24.05.2009 at 14:28

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.05.2009 at 14:19

To hook into the Kiss discussion here... imo it is impossible to call Kiss sell-outs cause they have ALWAYS (right from when they started) been upfront and open about the fact that the band Kiss is al about making as much money as possible no matter how it is done.

True. I never blamed them for having turned commercial and sold out. They have always been commercial. They were already there for the money in the 70s (and to fuck as many sluts as they could, at least in Gene's case). Ha ha ha!

My comment was actually meant for Dr. Rock who sated that Kiss is the epitome of sell-out. Maybe I should have been clearer

I believe he meant that Kiss have always been sellouts, if you know what I mean, and not musicians with integrity who try to be creative. But only him can really tell.

I remember when "Psycho Circus" came out with four different covers. I wonder what kind of people can be crazy enough to buy the EXACT SAME album four times. I mean, it's not like buying a digipack, then buying the Japanese version because it has one or two bonus tracks you can't find anywhere else. Only the cover changed. Talk of commercial trickery.

Written by Lord_Regnier on 24.05.2009 at 14:40

I believe he meant that Kiss have always been sellouts, if you know what I mean, and not musicians with integrity who try to be creative. But only him can really tell.

What I was trying to say to Rock was that in order to be a sell-out they at least should have some intergity at first. And in the case of Kiss since they never had any (musical) integrity to begin with they can't be a sell-out

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.05.2009 at 14:52

What I was trying to say to Rock was that in order to be a sell-out they at least should have some intergity at first. And in the case of Kiss since they never had any (musical) integrity to begin with they can't be a sell-out

You're totally right. But we usually don't bother to underline this difference and label bands as sellouts, even if, like you say, it's not true for bands like Kiss.

Of course, you can't suddenly start to sell your integrity, if you already sold it right from the start (which in turns means you never had integrity).

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.05.2009 at 14:52

Written by Lord_Regnier on 24.05.2009 at 14:40

I believe he meant that Kiss have always been sellouts, if you know what I mean, and not musicians with integrity who try to be creative. But only him can really tell.

What I was trying to say to Rock was that in order to be a sell-out they at least should have some intergity at first. And in the case of Kiss since they never had any (musical) integrity to begin with they can't be a sell-out

lol this all reminds me of Limp Bizkit: "I did it all for the nookie" their classic stuff is pretty good though, even though they're probably the richest people in rock history i'd still pay to see them in a concert(but no more than once or twice)

anyway i don't see the point of a discussion about selling out on an AC DC thread... these guys never change their style, and it works just fine for them(and the fans). plus the live shows outdo KISS by miles, they may not have fireworks shooting out of the guitars or they don't breathe fire or anything that flashy and pompous but the props associated with certain songs like the hell's bell, Rosie, the cannons, the rock n' roll train or stuff like that are pretty awesome and way more creative than stuff people have already seen in the 70s like amps literally exploding, Gene Simmons dematerializing stuff using just his surgically elongated tongue or fireworks shooting out of his ass every 3 seconds.

Written by Valentin B on 24.05.2009 at 16:03

using just his surgically elongated tongue ...

No idea where this misconception comes from. His tongue is not surgically elongated. The guy was just born with an immensely bog tongue.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.05.2009 at 16:05

Written by Valentin B on 24.05.2009 at 16:03

using just his surgically elongated tongue ...

No idea where this misconception comes from. His tongue is not surgically elongated. The guy was just born with an immensely bog tongue.

well you have to agree that considering what KISS is known for it wouldn't have been pretty far-fetched

Written by Valentin B on 24.05.2009 at 16:09

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.05.2009 at 16:05

Written by Valentin B on 24.05.2009 at 16:03

using just his surgically elongated tongue ...

No idea where this misconception comes from. His tongue is not surgically elongated. The guy was just born with an immensely bog tongue.

well you have to agree that considering what KISS is known for it wouldn't have been pretty far-fetched

Of course it isn't far-fetchedd. But somehow this rumour has been going around since I don't know when. When I got into metal back in 1979 because of Kiss the rumour was already doing its rounds. It won't surprise me if Gene spread the rumour himself.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.05.2009 at 14:32

Written by Lord_Regnier on 24.05.2009 at 14:28

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.05.2009 at 14:19

To hook into the Kiss discussion here... imo it is impossible to call Kiss sell-outs cause they have ALWAYS (right from when they started) been upfront and open about the fact that the band Kiss is al about making as much money as possible no matter how it is done.

True. I never blamed them for having turned commercial and sold out. They have always been commercial. They were already there for the money in the 70s (and to fuck as many sluts as they could, at least in Gene's case). Ha ha ha!

My comment was actually meant for Dr. Rock who sated that Kiss is the epitome of sell-out. Maybe I should have been clearer

Well I do suppose your right, and I guess "sell-out" implies that at one time they had some artistic integrity rather than being a brand...I guess I just lack a better word for describing them.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.05.2009 at 16:05

Written by Valentin B on 24.05.2009 at 16:03

using just his surgically elongated tongue ...

No idea where this misconception comes from. His tongue is not surgically elongated. The guy was just born with an immensely bog tongue.

True. It's only a rumor. But it runs for as far as I can remember.

There's also a rumor about Gene Simmons fucking something like 3000 women in 2-3 years. But I think this one is right. Gene never denied the rumor, in any case.

Does anybody have doubts about Ac/Dc is one of the greatest band ever?, they are the personification of the true rock itself, man they really know haw to play with energy!

AC/DC frikkin' rock! The only thing I don't like about them is that they repeat lyrics too much - change that some and you will have one of the greatest bands ever! *headbangs to AC/DC*

Can't wait until AC/DC comes about here in November...gonna be one kick ass show

Thnx

Nothing much to say...AC/DC is one the best and most important rock/hard rock band in history. That's it!

I am very thankful for having at last, probably at the twilight of their out-of-this-world career, the chance to see them in concert in my home town. they might not be in top form right now, especially Brian, but i'm sure it will be a legendary concert that will be remembered for many many years to come.

edit: fuck, every time i watch the video of "For Those About to Rock" live in Moscow, i get really teary. AC/DC at top shape playing in front of at least 300.000 fans (some people say 1 million were present).

absolutely the most epic concert ever, it even surpasses in epicness Manowar's Kaliakra Rock Fest 2008 five-hour setlist whose closing songs were Thor, Blood Of My Enemies and March For Revenge.



EDIT: yesterday i went to that show, absolutely fucking epic. those guys are fucking insane in the head.

Love this guys, they know how to Rock!

Absolutely love AC/DC. Highway to Hell was the first album I ever picked up! These guys for years were my absolute favorite band. I worshipped at the altar of anything they created. I saw them live a couple years back (and despite all the members being 50-60+ they kicked monumental amounts of ass, and not in the Rolling Stone kind of way, or the Kiss kind, but these guys literally performed like they did 20 years ago, except they have wrinkles.)

I have kinda backed off my AC/DC phase now. Through Metallica, i then got in to faster, heavier more technical bands, and at one point was one of those assholes that though AC/DC's music was too simplistic and dumb! But, I have now grown back to appreciate AC/DC's music for what it is, the most ass-kicking, consistant, through and through badass band to ever walk the earth. I don't listen to them too often, but when I do, it completely shocks me that they can make an entire album from three chords, and choruses that literally just shout the song title over and over, and yet, it sounds so good! So yeah, ROCK ON AC/DC

I've heard that they are planning another new world tour (probably the last one), for next year I guess. However great news and I definitely cannot miss them on this one...

I've voiced dissent for these guys in the past, but my opinions have changed somewhat; I can now enjoy some of their albums, However, they are incredibly overrated; I fail to see what makes them more special than all the other mainstream hard rock bands, and the legions of underground hard rock bands.

Written by Guest on 06.05.2011 at 23:42

I've voiced dissent for these guys in the past, but my opinions have changed somewhat; I can now enjoy some of their albums, However, they are incredibly overrated; I fail to see what makes them more special than all the other mainstream hard rock bands, and the legions of underground hard rock bands.

It's all about a legacy. They were pretty hard for their time, they built a fan-base, gained a legend status from that long-time fanbase, then further notoriety from that legendary status.

Definitely one of my favorites for vinyl. Even their worst album (Fly On The Wall imo) still sounds good! I used to love to kick back and drink a few beers and smoke a few cigarettes with AC/DC blasting through the old hi-fi. Consistent kick-ass hard rock and roll at its best.