Internet Warriors Of The World Unite

Written by: Marcel Hubregtse
Published: 07.11.2009
Disclaimer: Although this blog was written out of frustration concerning the last couple of doom gigs I attended it can just as easily be applied to any other subgenre of metal when it comes to the respective underground.

This blog actually started off as the introduction for my Dutch Doom Days report but because of the way it progressed I have decided to post it as blog instead.


It's fall, so that means it's that time of festival season again. Yes, Dutch Doom Days on the last weekend of October, and this will be edition number eight.

Unlike last year's edition, which focused more on the more extreme side of doom, this year's edition had its eyes set on the more tradional side with some touches of sludge and death/doom.
Like last year, Metal Storm set off with a three man strong delegation consisting of Lucas, Dismaleuphony and Marcel.

Upon entrance of the always intimate and welcoming Baroeg club the first thing that was noticeable was the fact that there seemed to be a lot less people present at that hour in comparison to last year. Unfortunately this first impression seemed to be the right one, for during the entire weekend I don't think more than 150 people were present per day, maximum, and the lowpoint would be the attendance during Sunday's headliner Count Raven with at most 40 people still present.
So, this is apparently the state doom metal is in? Well, those present, including the bands, had a blast and showed those not present to be wrong.

Reasons? Recession, probably a big factor, since the Irish contingent wasn't present, neither were the Spaniards and some other non-Dutch, but why o why were there almost no Dutch present? Can't be due to the fact that on the same weekend a black metal festival was being hosted in Arnhem.
It probably has to do with the fact the line-up, although very appatising for the doom metal connoisseur wasn't as appealing for your regular metaller. But then again only 25 euros for a weekend consisting of 14 bands, so what if you don't know 12 of them? There is bound to be something surprisingly good and unknown there for you.

But here you have it, the state of metal worldwide. Always complaining that one only knows one or two bands of a line-up and that it therefore is so extremely expensive. Take a chance, check out those unknown ones, they are the ones that need support, not the well-known established acts. Bands such as the ones playing here this weekend (Tekhton, My Lament, Unsilence, Process Of Guilt, Saturnalia Temple, The Prophecy, Lord Vicar, Fatum Elisum, Möse, Sardonis, The 11th Hour, Spiritus Mortis, Ereb Altor, Count Raven make zero to no money from record sales and don't make anything from touring and merchandise either because of the herd mentality of the brainwashed mainstream metaller. Yes, that's you there that didn't show up and will never show up to support the underground. But whine you do that cd's are so expensive, that your favourite band doesn't tour your country. Well, get off your ass, stand up from behind your computer, stop downloading music, stop being that internet keyboard warrior. Go out, support your local underground, become active. Have you forgotten about the do-it-yourself ethics of metal? Apparently so, because you want everything handed to you on a golden platter. Doing nothing but getting loads of fun in return. All you do is whine and moan. Wake up, that's not how the world works. Keep on going the way you currently are and metal will die. Were it not for the fact that, thank God, there are still the underground bands around willing to work their ass off, travel across Europe for just fuel money, some food, and a place to sleep (albeit on the floor) and also thank God for the organisers like those that organise Dutch Doom Days and are willing to stick their necks out financially, same of course applies for clubs such as Baroeg and booking agencies.

So here is one mighty hail to bands, organisers, clubs, booking agencies, and record labels still willing to stick their necks out and support the underground and a big raised middle finger and shouted Fuck Off And Die to all you donwloading internet keyboard warriors.

Support the underground, or perish.


 




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Fat & Sassy! - 07.11.2009 at 22:37  
Nice blog. I agree completely. Even though the metal scene is complete shit/non-existent around where I live, every now-and-then I travel to surrounding states to attend local shows.
Daggon - 07.11.2009 at 23:20  
Oh man, your blog really touched me, once in a while I attend local shows, but what I do the most is buying CD's of national bands, for two reasons, first, they are cheaper than the ones from other countries and second, because the metal scene here in my country is becoming greater each year, slowly, yes, but there it goes. It's very hard for me to get some foreign albums, they are not expensive, but shipping is quite expensive.
Jeff - 08.11.2009 at 00:02  
Marcel you know that I agree with you and your statement... (sadly).

It's not better here in France. You know how French are, always whining and complaining. "We don't have enough concerts..." but when we have some, even cheap ones at 5€ nobody move his/her ass.

I have two conclusions.

First some tickets are damn too expensive in general that's right (and it's a good reason)… but some are ok too (12€ to see Toxic Holocaust, Goatwhore, Skeleton Witch etc in Nantes. 11 tickets have been sold so far...) so where are they?
Also I just think that a LOT of "pseudo" metalheads are just posers and, as you say, just stay in front of their PC and just pretend to be a metalhead to be someone because "it's cool". If you're "true", you must like to see your fav bands live and not only the big famous ones! (And if you have money damn just listen to local radios they always give free tickets (that's just an example of course). I know a TON of people like that…

It's just sad really but the real metalheads are not a lot…

PS: not really linked to this blog… but a bit. All the "Gold pit" tickets for Bon Jovi in Bercy in June have been sold within a day. The price was €140. I understand some promoters (even if I don't like them...).
Marcel Hubregtse - 08.11.2009 at 00:07  
Written by Jeff on 08.11.2009 at 00:02

(12€ to see Toxic Holocaust, Goatwhore, Skeleton Witch etc in Nantes. 11 tickets have been sold so far...) so where are they?


The same price was charged for Minsk, A Storm Of Light, Simón, last Sunday in Baroeg as well and only 30 people showed up. Seeing that only that amount showed up I felt guilty for being on the guestlist so decided to buy some T-shirts, cd's and vinyl and support the bands in that way.
dismaleuphony - 08.11.2009 at 00:56  
The fact that there were barely more than 100 at Baroeg at any given time was likely my biggest surprise of the entire DDD weekend. I'd seen none of the bands before, and so I had no real idea what type of crowd, or the size that would show up, outside of what Marcel and Lucas had mentioned on the way to the club. Of course I was pleased to have a relaxed, intoxicated group which is very different than the usual obnoxious, mosh-obsessed crowd that makes up half of every show around here. But the numbers were unfortunate and for that price, really, even 35 euros would be a deal, not just 25.

I have learned why none (or near none) of the bands will be touring the US any time soon, I'm sure the flight costs alone would put all the bands in the red! And if you can't get people to go to the show, it's obvious you'd never get anyone to do some word of mouth and flyer promotion of it either.

About the lazy metalhead, that's really my problem with all but one of the people I know into metal. Besides my close friend who does go out and buy the limited editons, shirts and such like myself, the other "fringe metalheads" I talk to about metal a lot never buy more than 2 or 3 releases a year, but are always the first to blurt out their (totally offbase too) opinions on bands, and of course beg me for mp3s each time I see them. I'm constantly at a crossroads as to whether I should give them music, because I know they won't buy it, but if they don't hear it, then the band will have missed an opportunity to affect someone new. At least they attend some shows though, despite all the torrents they have queued up while they are at the venue

I'm not sure what the quality of the rest of the places in Europe are, but the two I went to, Baroeg and the Oktoberhallen in Belgium this past month were excellent places for metal in their own way. Out of the 4 places I normally go to for metal, only 1 in my area is good, and the rest are poorly designed or just terrible in all accounts (let alone the atmosphere), so it seems a lot of people don't even know what they've got for quality in clubs sometimes either...
BitterCOld - 08.11.2009 at 05:49  
For shame, mother fuckers, for shame.

we hear so much about this "i dl but i support the band" bs, how much of it happens aside from massive festivals.

i would kill (ok, maybe not kill, just beat someone senseless with a claw hammer) for such a festival within driving distance... and it's easily accessible on the "old continent" and the turnout sucks worse than $2 domestic night at (pick your local bar)... FOR SHAME.
Baz Anderson - 08.11.2009 at 06:54  
Well you know, apparently Damnation this year made a loss - and that's the same weekend as this doom festival. There were just less people there this year, and there were some big names on that bill.

That's just how things are now.
thesabbathfan - 08.11.2009 at 07:00  
Man, i need a fucking job.

i want to go to festivals and not pirate music
Doc Godin - 08.11.2009 at 09:47  
Written by BitterCOld on 08.11.2009 at 05:49

i would kill (ok, maybe not kill, just beat someone senseless with a claw hammer) for such a festival within driving distance... and it's easily accessible on the "old continent" and the turnout sucks worse than $2 domestic night at (pick your local bar)... FOR SHAME.

What is it with you and your fetish for claw hammers?

I really could rant on and on about this topic, but I can best sum it up by saying; that was beautiful, Marcel.

Support or go to hell, blowhards.
Collin - 08.11.2009 at 11:49  
About the poor attendance at DDD this year, I guess recession and high travel prices probably prevented a lot of foreigners from showing up. I, for instance, couldn't afford paying 250€ for a trip to Rotterdam.

Also, despite the high opinion a lot of metalheads have of themselves (with all that crap about metal fans being more dedicated, more involved, and generally better than your average lesser music genres fan), they are just the same as any mainstream music listener: they just go for the big names, stick to what they get fed by the biggest labels, and are not interested whatsoever in discovering anything beside their familiar little circle of popular bands. Because hey, everyone knows that if a band is underground, it probably deserves it because it's bad, and if a band is famous, it's only because its music is so much better. So many people can't be wrong, can they?
And that kind of attitude leads to about 1 show out of 3 or 4 being cancelled here. At least it makes things simpler: once the underground disappears, you don't need to worry about supporting it anymore
Derwood - 08.11.2009 at 21:13  
Written by Doc Godin on 08.11.2009 at 09:47

Support or go to hell, blowhards.




I don't have much to add to the discussion because I'll just be repeating what's already been said, but that sums it up perfectly, Doc.
Jan - 09.11.2009 at 07:12  
So strange that a Doom festival can't draw a larger crowd - this sort of collides with the sheer number of quality releases we are seeing at moment.

But I think that Doom by definition is underground; saw Candlemass and Trouble playing in Malmö a month and a half ago - they didn't manage to draw more than (guesstimate) 150 people either. And Candlemass is sort of the superstar band of doom.

Is it the same picture for the extreme genres? Somehow I have a feeling that a death metal festival is more appealing to the younger segments...
Dangerboner - 09.11.2009 at 10:17  
Well, an entire festival of bands playing the same genre, relatively, sounds a little boring to me. Even a festival of my favorite genre, thrash or grind, would become boring after a while if there wasn't enough diversity over such a long period of time. I haven't heard most of the bands on the lineup so I'm assuming they range from the entire doom spectrum which is quite diverse, but especially in times like these, I'm not exactly sure I'd spend much money (depending on how close it was and if I have work off - my current job doesn't exactly allow calling off lol) on a bunch of bands I haven't heard before, especially since I don't have a computer. I've been to too many death metal festivals filled with over 20 crappy death metal bands I hadn't heard of before to make me a little cautious when it comes to future concerts. Sorry if I sound like a poserfag but I'm just trying to give an alternate viewpoint...

...buuuut only 25 Euros for a weekend of awesome doom is something I would definitely be a part of if it was closer... doom sounds so fucking good live that I find it hard to believe there were so few people who showed up :/

eh this reminds me of when I saw the last Candlemass headlining tour about two years ago or so - there were only like 200 people! wtf that was one of the best performances I've ever seen too people suck

@Joose
Valentin B - 09.11.2009 at 15:55  
Written by Collin on 08.11.2009 at 11:49

About the poor attendance at DDD this year, I guess recession and high travel prices probably prevented a lot of foreigners from showing up. I, for instance, couldn't afford paying 250€ for a trip to Rotterdam.

wtf 250 euros? aren't there any cheap low cost flights at least to Amsterdam from Lyon?

yeah, it seems this year it's all going a bit bad for festivals/tours etc. in Europe, i know at least 2 gigs and one big-scale festival were canceled here because of money-related problems...

i'm a bit low on cash right now but i'll just say this: between paying 100 Ron(25 euros) for a WASP show and paying 9 dollars to this local band called 9.7 Richter for their future EP and 16 dollars(out of which at least 9 constitute mail order costs from fucking Brazil) for Hazy Hamlet's album i'll definitely choose the latter option... that WASP show is overpriced as hell(well on the other hand i did pay 150 Ron or 35 euros to see Manowar but since they're one of my favorite bands i'd say it was worth it)
Warman - 11.11.2009 at 15:37  
You have some really good points there Marcel!
jupitreas - 11.11.2009 at 18:26  
Here is an interesting article about how to promote new and underground bands properly in the contemporary market.
http://www.fistfulayen.com/blog/?p=509
AiwiAstwihad - 11.11.2009 at 19:30  
"donwloading internet keyboard warriors"
I concure Marcel. But sometimes, sadly, there's almost NOthing you can do.
Bas - 11.11.2009 at 22:35  
Written by jupitreas on 11.11.2009 at 18:26

Here is an interesting article about how to promote new and underground bands properly in the contemporary market.
http://www.fistfulayen.com/blog/?p=509

Thanks Jerry, an interesting read
jollygreen - 12.11.2009 at 01:43  
Very true there used to be an underground event that would happen every Sunday and it was only two dollars to get in for an entire night of shows and I always felt the bands were being taken for granted and now they cancelled it and it was the only thing in my area that would allow any band with no prerequisets. I totally agree with the no downloading thing. I don't even own an mp3 player or anything I still only buy cds. If you want your bands to make more music people you have to support them!
Mr. Doctor - 13.11.2009 at 13:05  
I try to downlaod as little as possible and buy more... This last few months I've been buying lots of stuff not only because my "economy" got better but also because I really want to support the bands because I can't travel way too far and my mom goes crazy if I go alone somewhere more days.

But next year I fucking swear I will do everything I have to do to be in DDD and I don't give a rat ass if I don't know 3/4 of the bands.
K†ulu - 21.11.2009 at 21:39  
Dude, great article (or blog or whatever). Totally agree with you.
Warman - 22.11.2009 at 20:23  
I'm proud to say that I've downloaded music only once in my life. It was the whole Rush discography but I soon deleted it and started buying the albums instead. I guess music is more to me than an audio file on my computer.
BreadGod - 24.11.2009 at 09:39  
Sure, I'd love to support the underground by buying albums and going to gigs, but the problem is that I don't have any money because I need that money to buy food, which means that I have to download most of my music. Sometimes, you have to make priorities.
Marcel Hubregtse - 24.11.2009 at 18:50  
Written by BreadGod on 24.11.2009 at 09:39

Sure, I'd love to support the underground by buying albums and going to gigs, but the problem is that I don't have any money because I need that money to buy food, which means that I have to download most of my music. Sometimes, you have to make priorities.


So that means no music for you then. I don't have enough money to buy a Ferrari yet I don't go about stealing one

You go on about needing money for food, yet you own a computer, an internet subscription, most probably a tv as well. Talk about priorities
BitterCOld - 24.11.2009 at 19:18  
Written by dismaleuphony on 08.11.2009 at 00:56

Besides my close friend who does go out and buy the limited editons, shirts and such like myself, the other "fringe metalheads" I talk to about metal a lot never buy more than 2 or 3 releases a year, but are always the first to blurt out their (totally offbase too) opinions on bands, and of course beg me for mp3s each time I see them. I'm constantly at a crossroads as to whether I should give them music, because I know they won't buy it, but if they don't hear it, then the band will have missed an opportunity to affect someone new. At least they attend some shows though, despite all the torrents they have queued up while they are at the venue



it's a conundrum. i've made metal mixes (a double disk black comp and a single disk doom comp... ) for one of my friends who may or may not buy anything i send his way, but he's fringe on metal and heavily into other music. his overall collection exceeds my own (not all of mine has found it's way to entry) so if he does dig it, he's likely to buy it.

aside from that, i'll point to myspace pages for incoming bands to try to eggt some friends into attending.

and it's a clear sign how bad the record industry is doing based on how many tours are going on.

we're getting a ton down here. i guess bands like being in our 75 degree weather when winter rolls around.
BreadGod - 24.11.2009 at 21:44  
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.11.2009 at 18:50

Written by BreadGod on 24.11.2009 at 09:39

Sure, I'd love to support the underground by buying albums and going to gigs, but the problem is that I don't have any money because I need that money to buy food, which means that I have to download most of my music. Sometimes, you have to make priorities.


So that means no music for you then. I don't have enough money to buy a Ferrari yet I don't go about stealing one

You go on about needing money for food, yet you own a computer, an internet subscription, most probably a tv as well. Talk about priorities

They were gifts from my mother, you inconsiderate jerk!
Marcel Hubregtse - 24.11.2009 at 21:46  
Written by BreadGod on 24.11.2009 at 21:44

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.11.2009 at 18:50

Written by BreadGod on 24.11.2009 at 09:39

Sure, I'd love to support the underground by buying albums and going to gigs, but the problem is that I don't have any money because I need that money to buy food, which means that I have to download most of my music. Sometimes, you have to make priorities.


So that means no music for you then. I don't have enough money to buy a Ferrari yet I don't go about stealing one

You go on about needing money for food, yet you own a computer, an internet subscription, most probably a tv as well. Talk about priorities

They were gifts from my mother, you inconsiderate jerk!


How much rent do you pay?
BreadGod - 24.11.2009 at 22:03  
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.11.2009 at 21:46

Written by BreadGod on 24.11.2009 at 21:44

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.11.2009 at 18:50

Written by BreadGod on 24.11.2009 at 09:39

Sure, I'd love to support the underground by buying albums and going to gigs, but the problem is that I don't have any money because I need that money to buy food, which means that I have to download most of my music. Sometimes, you have to make priorities.


So that means no music for you then. I don't have enough money to buy a Ferrari yet I don't go about stealing one

You go on about needing money for food, yet you own a computer, an internet subscription, most probably a tv as well. Talk about priorities

They were gifts from my mother, you inconsiderate jerk!


How much rent do you pay?

Actually, I'm just toying with ya. I live in my mother's basement and I can't get any albums unless mother says I can.
Marcel Hubregtse - 24.11.2009 at 22:14  
Written by BreadGod on 24.11.2009 at 22:03


Actually, I'm just toying with ya. I live in my mother's basement and I can't get any albums unless mother says I can.


Then kill mum.
BreadGod - 24.11.2009 at 22:19  
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.11.2009 at 22:14

Written by BreadGod on 24.11.2009 at 22:03


Actually, I'm just toying with ya. I live in my mother's basement and I can't get any albums unless mother says I can.


Then kill mum.

Uh, wow, that's just cold. Seriously. My mother might be naggy and controlling, but I still love her. Don't even joke about that shit, man.
Marcel Hubregtse - 24.11.2009 at 22:23  
Written by BreadGod on 24.11.2009 at 22:19

Uh, wow, that's just cold. Seriously. My mother might be naggy and controlling, but I still love her. Don't even joke about that shit, man.


Mm a naggy and controlling mum, yet you love her. Let me guess, your real name is Norman Bates?
BreadGod - 24.11.2009 at 22:32  
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.11.2009 at 22:23

Written by BreadGod on 24.11.2009 at 22:19

Uh, wow, that's just cold. Seriously. My mother might be naggy and controlling, but I still love her. Don't even joke about that shit, man.


Mm a naggy and controlling mum, yet you love her. Let me guess, your real name is Norman Bates?

This conversation is over.
Dangerboner - 25.11.2009 at 09:07  
Written by BitterCOld on at 02:00

and it's a clear sign how bad the record industry is doing based on how many tours are going on.

we're getting a ton down here. i guess bands like being in our 75 degree weather when winter rolls around.


Actually it's the opposite here. We've gotten the least amount of tours I've ever noticed, even less than when gas prices were higher. I also noticed that European bands are touring in my area even less than before. Still, ticket prices have remained the same. For how rainy, cloudy, and grey Seattle is, it's a wonder why we get one doom band a year :/
Marcel Hubregtse - 25.11.2009 at 15:42  
Written by Dangerboner on 25.11.2009 at 09:07

For how rainy, cloudy, and grey Seattle is, it's a wonder why we get one doom band a year :/


For doom you gotta move to Maryland I guess.
Valentin B - 06.04.2010 at 21:33  
I really want to stay away from the "Romanian metalhead stereotype" if you know what i mean, the fact is many people here don't have enough money to buy CD's very often, so far i only have one CD which i bought(a reasonably well-known national act, Trooper) and one i got for free. but there are of course many many people who prefer to spend the money on their favorite band's discographies and shit. the fact is, i don't want to make people not see their favorite bands or something, but FFS they already have millions of $ in sales, why the hell would they need another 8-9 euros from you? all this while good underground bands are starving to death playing in front of 4 people(like Anvil in their documentary, that was one of the saddest things i've ever seen ) with album sales that could barely insure basic survival if they kicked out 2-3 members (best case).

what i found pretty ironic was this: i was at a Trooper concert since it was my birthday and, as always, there were lots of crazy young fans around. they were playing a long set, i think it was at least 1 hour and 45 minutes, so i had to take a piss-break near the end. i see the merch stand and surprisingly the guy sitting there still had a whole box of Trooper and other band's CDs.

the only overall album i like and bought from them is their last one, which imo is really really good and absurdly cheap(15 lei, or something like 3.5 euros, same price as their other 3 albums), but FFS everyone there was chanting along through the whole show, they didn't even play any cover songs too, but still the guy had a pretty full box of cd's. it might be that the concert wasn't over yet and there were still many people that bought albums after the gig was over, but in retrospective it was really a bummer to hear everyone there singing along like crazy and the guy at the merch stand just sitting around with a box full of the same band's albums at just 15 lei(or something like 2.5 beers in the same slightly overpriced venue)
The Turbanator - 17.05.2010 at 01:54  
Marcel - I appreciate what you wrote.

I read this line about 'stop downloading and start supporting'.

I have an issue with downloading. You see, the place where I live at (Malaysia) has banned metal totally from the radios, stores and everything. No albums allowed to be sold, no shirts, no banners, nothing.

And I'm a big big black metal fan (thanks to the blogspots and forums like these). And I appreciate downloading. Whenever I find a good album, I'll order it through Amazon or trade it with people I know who have the albums. And I can't do it everytime because it's expensive for me (I'm still a student).

My point is : downloading is not all that bad. Some people do have tough time to get the music they love. Although I recommend that once you have the chance, you should pay for it.

And don't bother about Malaysian scene. It suck balls.
Marcel Hubregtse - 17.05.2010 at 02:19  
Written by The Turbanator on 17.05.2010 at 01:54

Marcel - I appreciate what you wrote.

I read this line about 'stop downloading and start supporting'.

I have an issue with downloading. You see, the place where I live at (Malaysia) has banned metal totally from the radios, stores and everything. No albums allowed to be sold, no shirts, no banners, nothing.


And in such cases I can understand downloading and I am actually for it.
One question though, are you allowed to import stuff you buy from abroad (either via people you know, bands, or mailorders)?

Quote:

And don't bother about Malaysian scene. It suck balls.


Maybe nowadays due to the banning of metal. But back in the early 90s to mid to late 90s it was strong.
The Turbanator - 17.05.2010 at 02:28  
Yeah we're allowed to do that. That's how I got few of my albums and few football jerseys but they are really expensive. I had to fork out RM 300 just for one shirt. And that's like my 3 weeks allowance

Yeah you got a point about that banning thing. That's all it was.. until the mid 90's. Then the government decided to ban it. When these bands do gigs, they do it in a very quiet manner. So it's hard to notice if one's being held even in the same town I'm in. Like the other day Deep Purple came Malaysia. I didn't know until 2 days before the gig. And it was too late to get tickets (would have got one for my dad since he's a big fan).

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