Coconut Racecar
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Idgaf what anyone says this album is a goddamn masterpiece. I'm an enormous brutal fan and I appreciate every sound the extremes have to offer, from your average slam to the blast and beyond porngrind, but this album just fucking delivers. There isn't one dull moment throughout and I can't find the time to tire myself with listening to it. "A Burial For The Abandoned" in particular is competely orgasmic. Maybe I'm going a little over the top with my comment here but quite honestly there isn't much else that measures up to this as a brutal fan. And Matti Way, muah.. His vocals are nearly poetic they flow so beautifully. I thought I'd miss Vlad but I should have known better Matti is not one to dissapoint. MASSIVE album guys, congrats.
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PocketMetal
Posts: 750 From: Iran
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Great riffs but vocals are funny , LMAO
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Written by Guest on 10.06.2012 at 04:12

This pic kick-ass. I shared it on my page, it got three likes
Back on topic, I think it's a good album, 7.5\10 from me.
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sladetroityer
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I must be a noob cause I've never heard the term "Slam Riff"' and I play guitar. I also don't hear the higher pitch from the vocalist so their former singer must have been extremely gutteral. I agree with you on the prodution, it is terrific.
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Mr. Doctor Skandino
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I also barely know what's the difference between slam riffs and breakdowns.
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 14.06.2012 at 11:53
I also barely know what's the difference between slam riffs and breakdowns. 
I'm even pretty shaky on breakdowns some of the time (outside of the blatant metalcore ones of course).
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist
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The breakdowns themselves aren't entirely different - for the most part I'd say slam breakdowns are more... "chunky", whereas deathcore breakdowns tend to be sound a little lighter.
For instance, bands like Cephalotripsy focus on making their breakdowns envelop the listener, like an all-encompassing sort of slow-paced slamming riff that feels noticeable heavier than their chugging riffs, whereas bands like Suicide Silence employ breakdowns that don't really separate themselves from the rest of the riffs in terms of brutality. I'm not a guitarist so I can't get into the technical terms, but I'm fairly certain something about palm-muting is relevant here...
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Uldreth
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.06.2012 at 16:09
The breakdowns themselves aren't entirely different - for the most part I'd say slam breakdowns are more... "chunky", whereas deathcore breakdowns tend to be sound a little lighter.
For instance, bands like Cephalotripsy focus on making their breakdowns envelop the listener, like an all-encompassing sort of slow-paced slamming riff that feels noticeable heavier than their chugging riffs, whereas bands like Suicide Silence employ breakdowns that don't really separate themselves from the rest of the riffs in terms of brutality. I'm not a guitarist so I can't get into the technical terms, but I'm fairly certain something about palm-muting is relevant here...
Well the article Void Eater linked in the other thread said both DC and Slam breakdowns are palm-muted but slams follow a chromatic scale while hardcore breakdowns (the same shit used in hardcore, thrash, metalcore and deathcore) are generally one-note chugging. I am not a guitarist myself though so I need to trust the article on that.
The article also says that slams are not real breakdowns but it is unclear to me why. If it is because they use a scale then it is frankly BS as breakdowns are pretty much anything that reduce music to a simpler form, like I said in that thread, as far as I am aware even the acoustic parts used in Opeth songs can be considered breakdowns as they reduce the music into a simpler acoustic meandering as a relief from the harsh parts' harshness.
But I think the article said that they can't be considered breakdowns because in most slam bands they aren't "breaking anything down" as most of the songs are comprised of slams. In that case I wonder why do you think that "deathcore bands use riffing between their breakdowns while slam bands use breakdowns between their riffs" when according to the article, SDM is pretty much only slams  .
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist
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Written by Uldreth on 14.06.2012 at 17:02 In that case I wonder why do you think that "deathcore bands use riffing between their breakdowns while slam bands use breakdowns between their riffs" when according to the article, SDM is pretty much only slams .
I would disagree with the article in that regard, being that most of the brutal/slam death I listen to focuses on riffs - even if they're of the straightforward, chugging nature. When I listen to some of the most direct form of slamming like Pathology, even they manage to incorporate breakdowns for support rather than employ them as the foundation. I don't spend a lot of time listening to deathcore to be honest, but the dozen or so bands I've heard seem to write music with the majority of their songs featuring breakdowns.
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psykometal A staff guy...
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Written by sladetroityer on 14.06.2012 at 05:13
I must be a noob cause I've never heard the term "Slam Riff"' and I play guitar.
Written by Mr. Doctor on 14.06.2012 at 11:53
I also barely know what's the difference between slam riffs and breakdowns. 
Written by Guest on 14.06.2012 at 14:58
I'm even pretty shaky on breakdowns some of the time (outside of the blatant metalcore ones of course).
I actually initiated a topic about this the other day due to my own curiosity and inability to really discern much of a difference between the slams and breakdowns, especially on a technical level. Check it out if you'd like a more comprehensive explanation of the differences between breakdowns and slams; another user even posted a link to Metal Sucks where a writer for that site went into some rather funny detail about the differences between deathcore, slam and brutal death metal...
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psykometal A staff guy...
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.06.2012 at 17:07
I don't spend a lot of time listening to deathcore to be honest, but the dozen or so bands I've heard seem to write music with the majority of their songs featuring breakdowns.
With all the recent discussions about deathcore, slam and bdm I decided to listen to some deathcore in more detail and did notice that they're songs do seem to definitely be geared towards building up to breakdowns instead of bdm and slam using them as support rather than a focal point...
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Uldreth
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Written by psykometal on 14.06.2012 at 17:14
Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.06.2012 at 17:07
I don't spend a lot of time listening to deathcore to be honest, but the dozen or so bands I've heard seem to write music with the majority of their songs featuring breakdowns.
With all the recent discussions about deathcore, slam and bdm I decided to listen to some deathcore in more detail and did notice that they're songs do seem to definitely be geared towards building up to breakdowns instead of bdm and slam using them as support rather than a focal point...
That is true but it still is a far cry from "riffs between breakdowns".
Unless.
Unless I misunderstood the point of the comment. I thought it refers to quantity, in that case I totally disagree. If it refers to the fact that the FOCUS is on breakdowns then yeah I guess it's true. But I don't see a problem with it as if there is a good and proper buildup to those breakdowns then they tend to sound tasty.
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psykometal A staff guy...
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Written by Uldreth on 14.06.2012 at 17:32
Unless I misunderstood the point of the comment. I thought it refers to quantity, in that case I totally disagree. If it refers to the fact that the FOCUS is on breakdowns then yeah I guess it's true. But I don't see a problem with it as if there is a good and proper buildup to those breakdowns then they tend to sound tasty.
I believe that was his point.  And I agree with you, I also don't have a problem with it in the case of some deathcore bands because they do know how to build up nicely. Those deathcore albums I mentioned in one of my postings on the other thread are albums where I felt the bands built up properly and wrote some damn good deathcore, but the mass majority of the genre is still plagued with half rate hacks that can't write for shit (at least not in terms of what I look for in music)...
Edit: I take that back, I think he did mean quantity. Look at his response to Mr. Doctor in the Slams vs Breakdowns thread...
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Tristus Scriptor Rancid Reviewer
Posts: 293 From: USA  |
It is what it is, and if this kind of death metal is called "slam" now...then I (reluctantly) can say that I do dig a bit of slam-death metal; this album being a top choice for me as well.
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Maxx666 Meshuggahian
Posts: 376 From: USA  |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 10.06.2012 at 04:13
Written by Mr. Doctor on 10.06.2012 at 03:57 QUICK! Someone use their mad photoshop skillz to make the monster wear a tutu and say "I'm so fabulous!" (you can just tell by it's face that it is happy)

Very artistic mood tonight.
/ninja'd 
Arguably one of the most hilarious that ever happened to slam.. now besides the cover art i'd have to say this album has the full potential to be this years best and hopefully it will, as there are not many good slam album around these days. nice review btw
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Alex F Slick Dick Rick
Posts: 3296 From: USA  |
Alex FSlick Dick RickPosts: 3296 From: USA 
Fantastic album, couldn't agree more with your review. Also, i got a poster of the cover art, because why the fuck not.
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vezzy Stallmanite
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Damn, you ain't kidding. This is such well orchestrated brutality. An aggressive onslaught, yet very listenable and varied as well.
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Opethian
Posts: 1366 From: USA  |
A solid follow up to their debut. Although, its a different approach but for a lot it got the job done. I much prefer their debut. Insanely heavy and they did it without making it sound 1 dimensional and generic
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