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Spot on review! This is easily on my top 10 for 2012! Great review  |
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| I'm gonna listen to this right now. |
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| *Puts this on list of albums "to buy when I get the money"* |
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| I agree with everything aside from that it would be the best doom release of the year. Still a fantastic album though. |
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| Funny you mention only Evoken's last two albums when comparing this album to the previous ones. Evoken has been consistently dominating the funeral doom genre since pretty much their first album. Its not exactly that they do anything particularly special or different, they just do the same thing BETTER than everybody else does. Aside from some minor production flaws, this album is no exception., and I think its probably their best since Quietus. |
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Written by tuerda on 02.12.2012 at 07:04
Funny you mention only Evoken's last two albums when comparing this album to the previous ones. Evoken has been consistently dominating the funeral doom genre since pretty much their first album. Its not exactly that they do anything particularly special or different, they just do the same thing BETTER than everybody else does. Aside from some minor production flaws, this album is no exception., and I think its probably their best since Quietus.
In all honesty, because those are the only other two that I've listened to  |
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Oh, and by the way guys, Atra Mors means "Black Death" in Latin
The more you know  |
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Written by Apothecary on 02.12.2012 at 07:09
Written by tuerda on 02.12.2012 at 07:04
Funny you mention only Evoken's last two albums when comparing this album to the previous ones. Evoken has been consistently dominating the funeral doom genre since pretty much their first album. Its not exactly that they do anything particularly special or different, they just do the same thing BETTER than everybody else does. Aside from some minor production flaws, this album is no exception., and I think its probably their best since Quietus.
In all honesty, because those are the only other two that I've listened to
In that case you absolutely must get your hands on Quietus. To my ears, it is their best album. |
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because funeral doom titans Evoken have returned
It must be a different band, because Evoken are NOT funeral doom. |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.12.2012 at 10:14
because funeral doom titans Evoken have returned
It must be a different band, because Evoken are NOT funeral doom.
And you had to fly down like a vulture and pick on the first occasion to preach about genres. |
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Written by Daniell on 02.12.2012 at 11:01
Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.12.2012 at 10:14
because funeral doom titans Evoken have returned
It must be a different band, because Evoken are NOT funeral doom.
And you had to fly down like a vulture and pick on the first occasion to preach about genres.
As I said a million times before, I do it when your reviews are clearly misleading the reader on the genre. If you don't get it, I rest my case. |
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| One of my favourites of the year so far in the doom department. It took me a while to fully understand it though but the underlying melodies helped. |
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| Is this band anything like Esoteric? I am not a big doom metal fan but I kinda dig Esoteric. |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.12.2012 at 11:10
As I said a million times before, I do it when your reviews are clearly misleading the reader on the genre. If you don't get it, I rest my case.
There's a reason this isn't true, and that's because no one else gives a shit about the very vague blurry lines of Evoken's funeral death-doom style  When over 99% of people identify Evoken with the funeral doom genre in some way (and rightfully so) it isn't misleading, so stop trying to be the representative of the unspoken masses (because let's be honest: small circle jerk at doom-metal.com is not the masses) and just admit that you just like to stick your oar in every couple of months about this exceptionally boring and irrelevant subject  |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 02.12.2012 at 17:50
Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.12.2012 at 11:10
As I said a million times before, I do it when your reviews are clearly misleading the reader on the genre. If you don't get it, I rest my case.
When over 99% of people identify Evoken with the funeral doom genre in some way (and rightfully so) it isn't misleading
It is, because you keep misrepresenting the genre. Every time you get it wrong, I will here to tell your readers it's wrong, unless you ban me. I won't comment the rest of your post, because it's just pathetic. |
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| You must correct a hell of a lot of times then because that "error" is definitely not limited to this website. |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 02.12.2012 at 18:05
You must correct a hell of a lot of times then because that "error" is definitely not limited to this website.
I do... |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.12.2012 at 18:03
It is, because you keep misrepresenting the genre. Every time you get it wrong, I will here to tell your readers it's wrong, unless you ban me. I won't comment the rest of your post, because it's just pathetic.
Correction: you're telling readers your opinion, which would generally be considered vague or even incorrect in the broad stream of things when it comes to the mass metal perception of Evoken and the facets of funeral doom. That's what defines a genre: consensus within a particular culture. If that culture deems something to be something, then that's what it is. No misrepresentation. You're just an aged forum dweller with his own personal perspective of doom trying to force his ideals on others (with little success if your track record is anything to go by). But by all means, keep telling everyone they're wrong and I'll just sit back and watch them ignore you
While you're here why don't you scoot over to these sites, all of which were taken from the first couple of pages of Google which relate or liken the band / album to the funeral doom genre in someway, and tell them they don't know what they're talking about and are misrepresenting the genre.
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16871-atra-mors/
http://www.cvltnation.com/cvlt-nation-album-review-evoken-atra-mors/
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/53593/Evoken-Atra-Mors/
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/51370/Evoken-Atra-Mors/
http://www.metalinjection.net/reviews/cd-review-evoken-atra-mors
http://www.metalreview.com/reviews/6811/evoken-atra-mors
http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2012/08/evoken-atra-mors/
http://heavymetal.about.com/od/evoken/fr/Evoken-Atra-Mors-Review.htm
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/163316-evoken-atra-mors/
http://www.eveningoflight.nl/2012/09/28/review-evoken-atra-mors-2012/
http://metalfuzz.com/2012/09/11/evoken-atra-mors/ |
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Quote:
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There's a reason this isn't true, and that's because no one else gives a shit about the very vague blurry lines of Evoken's funeral death-doom style When over 99% of people identify Evoken with the funeral doom genre in some way (and rightfully so) it isn't misleading, so stop trying to be the representative of the unspoken masses (because let's be honest: small circle jerk at doom-metal.com is not the masses) and just admit that you just like to stick your oar in every couple of months about this exceptionally boring and irrelevant subject
I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for taking the words right out of my mouth... or rather, the typing right out of my keyboard  |
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Written by tea[m]ster on 02.12.2012 at 13:15
Is this band anything like Esoteric? I am not a big doom metal fan but I kinda dig Esoteric.
They're two different bands for sure, but more than likely if you like Esoteric, you'll enjoy Evoken. Same kinda grim, ethereal atmosphere to their music, for the most part. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 02.12.2012 at 18:38
While you're here why don't you scoot over to these sites, all of which were taken from the first couple of pages of Google which relate or liken the band / album to the funeral doom genre in someway, and tell them they don't know what they're talking about and are misrepresenting the genre.
They don't. Lots of wrong opinions don't make consensus, they just make general ignorance. You should know better than this. I must say I'm disappointed... |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.12.2012 at 19:20
They don't. Lots of wrong opinions don't make consensus, they just make general ignorance. You should know better than this. I'm disappointed.
Regarding the unprovable such as religion, yes, regarding something that IS defined by mass opinion, no. Most metalcore doesn't contain punk yet it is defined as such. It becomes a neoligism to describe a particular sound, and the vast majority regard Evoken to have distinct ties to the funeral doom genre because they have a sound which is readily associated with it. That is the way it is. You saying that it's not true does not make it so.
What I find disappointing is how much time you spend wasting and losing sleep over such a pithy and, I repeat, completely irrelevant, topic. It's a little sad. |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.12.2012 at 19:20
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 02.12.2012 at 18:38
While you're here why don't you scoot over to these sites, all of which were taken from the first couple of pages of Google which relate or liken the band / album to the funeral doom genre in someway, and tell them they don't know what they're talking about and are misrepresenting the genre.
They don't. Lots of wrong opinions don't make consensus, they just make general ignorance. You should know better than this. I must say I'm disappointed...
con·sen·sus/kənˈsensəs/
Noun: General agreement
If you have a large majority of the same opinion on the same topic, then while everyone may not directly come out and say "hey, we all agree," then it is a cohesive agreement that can be taken as a consensus. General ignorance? So nobody knows what the fuck they're talking about but you, eh? That perception seems more like general ignorance on your part in my eyes.
And just so I don't come across as seeming unfair, do tell: if Evoken aren't funeral doom, what are they? |
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Written by Apothecary on 02.12.2012 at 19:28
if Evoken aren't funeral doom, what are they?
He would probably call it just death/doom.
Then again... I'm pretty sure he would deny how Funeral Doom started off as simply playing death/doom slower + keys. |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 02.12.2012 at 19:34
Written by Apothecary on 02.12.2012 at 19:28
if Evoken aren't funeral doom, what are they?
He would probably call it just death/doom.
Then again... I'm pretty sure he would deny how Funeral Doom started off as simply playing death/doom slower + keys.
Seriously, such specificities, while interesting, don't overly matter to me. As was previously stated, people go off of what style a band adheres to based upon general agreement and general adherence of the band to such a style. Case closed, this diatribe is really beginning to beat a dead horse. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 02.12.2012 at 19:26
Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.12.2012 at 19:20
They don't. Lots of wrong opinions don't make consensus, they just make general ignorance. You should know better than this. I'm disappointed.
Regarding the unprovable such as religion, yes, regarding something that IS defined by mass opinion, no. Most metalcore doesn't contain punk yet it is defined as such. It becomes a neoligism to describe a particular sound, and the vast majority regard Evoken to have distinct ties to the funeral doom genre because they have a sound which is readily associated with it. That is the way it is. You saying that it's not true does not make it so.
What I find disappointing is how much time you spend wasting and losing sleep over such a pithy and, I repeat, completely irrelevant, topic. It's a little sad.
You are really clutching at straws, now, aren't you? It's opinions and I don't really understand why you are getting so uptight about it. |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 02.12.2012 at 19:34
He would probably call it just death/doom.
If that "he" is me , then yes, I would call Evoken death/doom. |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.12.2012 at 19:40
You are really clutching at straws, now, aren't you? It's opinions and I don't really understand why you are getting so uptight about it.
Who's getting uptight? Either you're seeing things that aren't there or trying to elevate my posts to some kind of incoherent ramblings as a way of debunking them. Your posts seem rather more "uptight" than mine. At least I'm trying to offer explanation, not your tried and tested "You're simply wrong" tropes.
As for clutching at straws, I don't quite know what you mean. Majority rule = Evoken have ties to funeral doom. Minority (you and a few other stragglers) = Evoken have no relation to funeral doom. That seems to be an apparent fact, not straw clutching. |
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| They do have ties to funeral doom (some tracks have influences), but generally they are NOT a funeral doom band. Describing them as a funeral doom band is misleading. Not too difficult to understand. And I'm not getting uptight at all... We agree to disagree, but please stop insulting. It's childish. |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.12.2012 at 19:47
They do have ties to funeral doom (some tracks have influences), but generally they are NOT a funeral doom band. Describing them as a funeral doom band is misleading. Not too difficult to understand. And I'm not getting uptight at all... We agree to disagree, but please stop insulting. It's childish.
It's not my fault if you were insulted |
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| Read your first post... you always do it. |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.12.2012 at 19:54
Read your first post... you always do it.
That's not an insult, that is exactly what I think the case is. |
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How is that first post by JOOE insulting?  |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.12.2012 at 20:02
How is that first post by JOOE insulting?
I guess if he was insulted by it then it's insulting I must have hit a nerve... |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.12.2012 at 19:54
Read your first post... you always do it.
Since when do clear, concise points layered with a splash of tongue-in-cheek sarcasm mean insults? |
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This really is a great Death/Doom album.
*pours gasoline on the fire* |
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Written by Slayer666 on 02.12.2012 at 20:16
This really is a great Death/Doom album.
*pours gasoline on the fire*
....and then, the butterfly effect took hold, causing a tsunami to strike Indonesia. How dare you. |
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Written by Slayer666 on 02.12.2012 at 20:16
This really is a great Death/Doom album.
*pours gasoline on the fire*
At least you didn't say "Doom/Death" then shit would definitely hit the fan. |
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Written by Apothecary on 02.12.2012 at 20:18
....and then, the butterfly effect took hold, causing a tsunami to strike Indonesia. How dare you.
Indonesia? Fuck, I was aiming for Japan... 
Seriously, though, thanks for the review. There's a pretty good chance I would've missed this album if the review hadn't appeared on the front page. |
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I think it's simply the fact that he insists on having the last and final word.  At least that's what I get from reading all this amusement. Yes I can hear death/doom but I can also hear definite ties/influences from funeral doom.
But the argument has already expended itself past it's viability. One thing's for sure though, if it keeps up, this review will be listed as a most popular topic in no time flat and Apothecary will be even more famous than he is now.  |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 02.12.2012 at 20:20
Written by Slayer666 on 02.12.2012 at 20:16
This really is a great Death/Doom album.
*pours gasoline on the fire*
At least you didn't say "Doom/Death" then shit would definitely hit the fan.
well it is more doom/death than death/doom tbh
or... wait, is it more death/doom than doom/death? |
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Written by Raging Dreamer on 02.12.2012 at 20:23
if it keeps up, this review will be listed as a most popular topic in no time flat and Apothecary will be even more famous than he is now.
A man can dream |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.12.2012 at 20:25
well it is more doom/death than death/doom tbh
or... wait, is it more death/doom than doom/death?
I always thought doom/death would be doom-death, i.e. doomy death metal, and vice-a-versa. But then again doom/death could just mean a balance of both in similar amounts (which would make it the same as death/doom). |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 02.12.2012 at 20:36
I always thought doom/death would be doom-death, i.e. doomy death metal, and vice-a-versa. But then again doom/death could just mean a balance of both in similar amounts (which would make it the same as death/doom).
nope, doom/death is more death than doom whereas death/doom is more doom than death.
it's quite simple the right hand head rule applies here. So the element the farthest to the right is the dominant one. |
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| Now I'm really confused about genres. I always thought this was Funeral |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.12.2012 at 20:45
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 02.12.2012 at 20:36
I always thought doom/death would be doom-death, i.e. doomy death metal, and vice-a-versa. But then again doom/death could just mean a balance of both in similar amounts (which would make it the same as death/doom).
nope, doom/death is more death than doom whereas death/doom is more doom than death.
it's quite simple the right hand head rule applies here. So the element the farthest to the right is the dominant one.
That's what I said pretty much : p |
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| Great album, great review.... |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 03.12.2012 at 00:16
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.12.2012 at 20:02
How is that first post by JOOE insulting?
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because let's be honest: small circle jerk at doom-metal.com is not the masses
that's not insulting? And tell me, Marcel, are Evoken funeral doom? I probably won't get an answer...
I wouldn't call that insulting.
And even though Evoken aren't 100% funeral doom they have more than enough funeral doom elements in their sound to be called as such. you can't call them doom/death, death/doom either since they also aren't that fully. They are a borderline band, so it is alright to call them either. |
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