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Band: Neckbeard Deathcamp
Album: So Much For The Tolerant Left
Style: Black metal
Release date: May 2019


01. Cucked 2: The Phantom Menace
02. Shitpostnacht
03. Operation NEET
04. What Are The Cargo Pockets For, Lanza? Extra Mags?
05. Horseshoe Theory
06. Bricks Out For Harambe
07. Tolerance Candle
08. Unironically Calling Someone The Untermensch From A Facebook Account With An Azumanga Daioh Profile Picture
09. Conservative Crybullying
10. /r/iamverysvart
11. Pozerfaust Division

There's no denying that we live right now in a very politically volatile time period, a fact that may lead more stoic individuals to sit neutrally on the sidelines watching the carnage of the ultra partisan dynamics at play in their societies unfold before them. Neckbeard Deathcamp, however, are certainly not such individuals.

You may recall this trio of self proclaimed "Fedora crushing militant black metal" from their 2018 debut, the aptly titled White Nationalism Is For Basement Dwelling Losers. Sure enough, they're at it again this year with the follow up, So Much For The Tolerant Left. With album and track titles so deliberately over the top and devoid of any form of subtlety, it shouldn't be too difficult to discern exactly who and what draws the ire of Neckbeard Deathcamp: far right, white nationalist views as well as individuals, organizations, and bands that promote or sympathize with them. Featuring track titles such as "Conservative Crybulling" and "Pozerfaust Division," it would be easy with this album to write Neckbeard Deathcamp as merely a far left, anti Nazi black metal band, but to do so may be ignoring a level of self parody present in the music as well. With members donning pseudonyms such as "Kreigmeister Hatestorm" and "Superkommando Uberweinersnitchel," it's pretty obvious that Neckbeard Deathcamp really don't even take themselves seriously, let alone white nationalism, and that they may even be poking a bit of fun at people of far left beliefs as well with their whole approach.

Being that their lyrical and aesthetic angle is so blatant and overbearing, it's easy for the music of Neckbeard Deathcamp to become completely overshadowed by their message. Certainly, the fact that their songwriting is very one dimensional and stripped of virtually any diversity or forward momentum between its tracks does little to aid in making their music appear more relevant. As with their debut, on So Much For The Tolerant Left, Neckbeard Deathcamp go for an extremely raw and abrasive black metal approach, in which riffs are pretty much recycled from elsewhere, bass is virtually inaudible, and the vocals are guttural to the point of likely being indecipherable even with a lyrics sheet in front of you. Barring the inclusion of two interlude type tracks and "Horseshoe Theory," which dips into harsh noise territory, the music of Neckbeard Deathcamp moves very little beyond this delivery, if at all.

Much like their debut, So Much For The Tolerant offers up many reasons for listeners to dismiss Neckbeard Deathcamp altogether: bias against the band's politics and a belief in one's own as superior, a perception of the band as "cringe worthy" while ignoring the hundreds of other black metal bands worthy of cringe, and/or a view of the songwriting as garbage due to its simplicity and lack of originality while ignoring the hundreds of other black metal bands who get by on a lack of sophistication and ripping off the ideas of their predecessors. To dismiss Neckbeard Deathcamp for any of these reasons, however, would likely be missing the point of what the band are doing, that being that their delivery is ultimately a lesson in how to respond to complete bullshit (read: white nationalism) with complete bullshit. As the message of Neckbeard Deathcamp is ugly, brutish, and unsophisticated, so too is their music, and in this way the band must be applauded for this sense of symmetry between the two if for no other reason.

Realistically speaking, with So Much For The Tolerant Left Neckbeard Deathcamp probably could have conjured up a sound as dynamic and layered as Darkspace or Wolves In The Throne Room if they really put their minds to it. They also could have come up with a lyrical manifesto explaining and justifying what they're doing a mile long, in the vein of Liturgy (US-NY) or The Meads Of Asphodel. But doing so would be to imply that white nationalists are even deserving of the time and effort required for generating so sophisticated and lengthy a response in the first place, something that Neckbeard Deathcamp clearly do not believe them worthy of. Instead, their response to this often over entitled, juvenile, and altogether outdated world view is to simply raise a digital middle finger high and snarl a loud, resounding "Fuck you!" And a lot of the time that's all it takes for getting the point across.

If you're up for some fun, not taking your musical taste too seriously for once, and enjoying a band making far right sympathizers salty on the Internet, I could not recommend this album highly enough.





Written on 26.05.2019 by Metal Storm’s own Babalao. Comforting the disturbed and disturbing the comfortable since 2013.


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03.06.2019 - 07:39
Rating: 6
no one

Written by Aries Rising on 03.06.2019 at 05:59

Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 03.06.2019 at 02:57

Written by Auntie Sahar on 03.06.2019 at 02:21

Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 03.06.2019 at 02:02

It's funny, because I'm making fun of the band that would actually throw MS under the bus publicly for having some of the bands it does on here, and yet you're telling me that I'm the real threat for doing so. Interesting takeaway, but okay.

"The band", or "the extreme left"? I can't really tell whether you're speaking generally about an entire movement, or just about this one band in particular.

Anyway, if it's the former, I was just pointing out how it's funny how people look at a few overreactions of metal fans to content from bands that can perceived as fascist and Nazi-esque to the point of boycotting or getting tours canceled and color it as a huge international conspiracy. The people doing that are still in a pretty extreme minority, there aren't armies of Antifa or PC police in the hundreds of thousands who are about to come stealing your CD collection and destroying your speakers because you listen to bands with fascist lyrics lol


I'm pretty centrist in my ideologies, so I try to not sensationalize things. With that said, I think the influence of these fringe leftist groups is more powerful than you realize. And as I've articulated previously, the issue isn't that they are against Nazis (who the hell isn't?), it's that they are against anyone who doesn't fit their narrow-minded world view.


Quote of the century, especially here in the USA these days. I grew up in California and going to university there I felt like I had to hide the fact that I wasn't a lefty. Especially during the Trump years. People thought it was the end of the world and if you were even just slightly to the right of them, you were branded the enemy. That is why I was curious about the whole NSBM label. As far as I knew that movement sort of died off the same was the KKK did, but apparently it's alive and well which I don't understand. How can anyone be for such a lousy and awful movement? I mean there's conservative and then there's that crap, I'd argue the two aren't even in the same ballpark.

And I'd add that these left groups have more influence than people realize. I got to watch lefty groups at my university run off right winged groups, JEWISH groups (due to being anti-Palestinian) and anyone who they thought engaged in wrongthink and the school not only turned a blind eye to it, but a lot of people supported it. Hell they ACTUALLY rioted when conservative speakers tried to come on campus after being invited to speak.

Yet pussy grabber gets voted in
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03.06.2019 - 08:07
Rating: 1
SoUnDs LiKe PoP

Written by Aries Rising on 03.06.2019 at 05:59

Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 03.06.2019 at 02:57

Written by Auntie Sahar on 03.06.2019 at 02:21


I'm pretty centrist in my ideologies, so I try to not sensationalize things. With that said, I think the influence of these fringe leftist groups is more powerful than you realize. And as I've articulated previously, the issue isn't that they are against Nazis (who the hell isn't?), it's that they are against anyone who doesn't fit their narrow-minded world view.


Quote of the century, especially here in the USA these days. I grew up in California and going to university there I felt like I had to hide the fact that I wasn't a lefty. Especially during the Trump years. People thought it was the end of the world and if you were even just slightly to the right of them, you were branded the enemy. That is why I was curious about the whole NSBM label. As far as I knew that movement sort of died off the same was the KKK did, but apparently it's alive and well which I don't understand. How can anyone be for such a lousy and awful movement? I mean there's conservative and then there's that crap, I'd argue the two aren't even in the same ballpark.

And I'd add that these left groups have more influence than people realize. I got to watch lefty groups at my university run off right winged groups, JEWISH groups (due to being anti-Palestinian) and anyone who they thought engaged in wrongthink and the school not only turned a blind eye to it, but a lot of people supported it. Hell they ACTUALLY rioted when conservative speakers tried to come on campus after being invited to speak.


Yes, it's bad enough that I have to assume that anyone who acts like these groups have no influence either a) does not live in the United states, b) lives in a very red state, or c) is part of the problem. And this is where nothing-better-to-do lowlifes like ND come in. If I were to say something like "Trump has done a lot that I disagree with, and a lot that I agree with" they would probably brand me a fascist neo-nazi sympathizer. And the sad part is that my portrayal of them is no exaggeration - their kind have become a parody of themselves. But we give them a free pass because they hate Nazis... just like everyone else.
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03.06.2019 - 08:09
Rating: 1
SoUnDs LiKe PoP

Written by no one on 03.06.2019 at 07:39

Written by Aries Rising on 03.06.2019 at 05:59

Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 03.06.2019 at 02:57


I'm pretty centrist in my ideologies, so I try to not sensationalize things. With that said, I think the influence of these fringe leftist groups is more powerful than you realize. And as I've articulated previously, the issue isn't that they are against Nazis (who the hell isn't?), it's that they are against anyone who doesn't fit their narrow-minded world view.


Quote of the century, especially here in the USA these days. I grew up in California and going to university there I felt like I had to hide the fact that I wasn't a lefty. Especially during the Trump years. People thought it was the end of the world and if you were even just slightly to the right of them, you were branded the enemy. That is why I was curious about the whole NSBM label. As far as I knew that movement sort of died off the same was the KKK did, but apparently it's alive and well which I don't understand. How can anyone be for such a lousy and awful movement? I mean there's conservative and then there's that crap, I'd argue the two aren't even in the same ballpark.

And I'd add that these left groups have more influence than people realize. I got to watch lefty groups at my university run off right winged groups, JEWISH groups (due to being anti-Palestinian) and anyone who they thought engaged in wrongthink and the school not only turned a blind eye to it, but a lot of people supported it. Hell they ACTUALLY rioted when conservative speakers tried to come on campus after being invited to speak.

Yet pussy grabber gets voted in


This is the same flawed logic as when people said "See, America isn't racist, they elected Obama!"

America has a serious issue with polarization, extremism, tribalism, and dichotomous thought right now. The existence of one side does not negate the existence of the other. I personally can't stand them both, but to morons like ND, that probably makes me Hitler reincarnate.
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03.06.2019 - 19:43
nikarg

Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 03.06.2019 at 08:09

America has a serious issue with polarization, extremism, tribalism, and dichotomous thought right now. The existence of one side does not negate the existence of the other. I personally can't stand them both, but to morons like ND, that probably makes me Hitler reincarnate.

Couldn't agree more. Europe is facing the same problem of dichotomy as well and this only proves how incredibly stupid and intolerant people have become. This video is a bit old (just after the US elections) but sums up the state of affairs in an awesome satiric way.
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03.06.2019 - 22:55
Rating: 6
no one

It's just like the 60s and 70s flower power hippies, it's just a backlash from someone like trump getting in power along with the atrocities far right groups done in the past.
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03.06.2019 - 22:59
Auntie Sahar
Drone Empress
Nice to see this is turning into the "whining about politics" thread. It was probably destined to in the first place, so I shouldn't be surprised, but honestly I have little to no care whatsoever about most if not all of the points raised above. Carry on as you will.
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04.06.2019 - 01:56
Maco
Pvt Funderground
This is such a brilliant album 10000000000/10 Hitler would cry everyday.
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04.06.2019 - 04:12
Rating: 1
SoUnDs LiKe PoP

Written by Auntie Sahar on 03.06.2019 at 22:59

Nice to see this is turning into the "whining about politics" thread. It was probably destined to in the first place, so I shouldn't be surprised, but honestly I have little to no care whatsoever about most if not all of the points raised above. Carry on as you will.


90% politics 10% music discussion is what you can expect for a band that is 90% about politics and 10% about the music.
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04.06.2019 - 05:05
Rating: 6
Karlabos
Meat and Potatos
Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 04.06.2019 at 04:12

Written by Auntie Sahar on 03.06.2019 at 22:59

Nice to see this is turning into the "whining about politics" thread. It was probably destined to in the first place, so I shouldn't be surprised, but honestly I have little to no care whatsoever about most if not all of the points raised above. Carry on as you will.


90% politics 10% music discussion is what you can expect for a band that is 90% about politics and 10% about the music.

Yeah apart from the theme this band is just another 2nd wave bm band
I listened to the 1st album because of the review but dropped it in the middle

I like the salty comments they generate tho
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04.06.2019 - 15:37
nikarg

Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 04.06.2019 at 04:12

Written by Auntie Sahar on 03.06.2019 at 22:59

Nice to see this is turning into the "whining about politics" thread. It was probably destined to in the first place, so I shouldn't be surprised, but honestly I have little to no care whatsoever about most if not all of the points raised above. Carry on as you will.


90% politics 10% music discussion is what you can expect for a band that is 90% about politics and 10% about the music.

Exactly this. And also if the biggest part of your review is about politics, why would you whine about people "whining about politics"

It really doesn't make sense mate.
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04.06.2019 - 15:48
Auntie Sahar
Drone Empress
Written by nikarg on 04.06.2019 at 15:37

Also if the biggest part of your review is about politics, why would you whine about people "whining about politics" It really doesn't make sense mate.

Note that I said "perhaps that was destined to happen in the first place," so it's not as if I wasn't expecting it.

Honestly, I'm just tired of getting notifications about it and sort of curious as to how much longer people are going to keep going on this thread about what a pointless band Neckbeard Deathcamp is, leftist political nonsense, censorship, dichotomous politics in the US and Europe, etc. The comments are starting to get repetitive with people just saying the same shit over and over.
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04.06.2019 - 15:50
Metren
Dreadrealm
These guys are complete and utter assholes. This album is disgusting.









Nobody, NOBODY should ever remind people of SW Episode I - The Phantom Menace. Fuckers.
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04.06.2019 - 16:46
nikarg

Written by Auntie Sahar on 04.06.2019 at 15:48

The comments are starting to get repetitive with people just saying the same shit over and over.

I won't argue that. It's along the lines of what ND are doing though, just saying the same shit for two albums in a row as if it was something difficult to get in the first place
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04.06.2019 - 17:05
RaduP
CertifiedHipster
Written by nikarg on 04.06.2019 at 16:46

Written by Auntie Sahar on 04.06.2019 at 15:48

The comments are starting to get repetitive with people just saying the same shit over and over.

I won't argue that. It's along the lines of what ND are doing though, just saying the same shit for two albums in a row as if it was something difficult to get in the first place

Honestly they shouldn't even make music anymore. Releasing tracklists is enough.
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04.06.2019 - 20:29
Aries Rising

Written by no one on 03.06.2019 at 07:39

Written by Aries Rising on 03.06.2019 at 05:59

Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 03.06.2019 at 02:57

Written by Auntie Sahar on 03.06.2019 at 02:21

Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 03.06.2019 at 02:02

It's funny, because I'm making fun of the band that would actually throw MS under the bus publicly for having some of the bands it does on here, and yet you're telling me that I'm the real threat for doing so. Interesting takeaway, but okay.

"The band", or "the extreme left"? I can't really tell whether you're speaking generally about an entire movement, or just about this one band in particular.

Anyway, if it's the former, I was just pointing out how it's funny how people look at a few overreactions of metal fans to content from bands that can perceived as fascist and Nazi-esque to the point of boycotting or getting tours canceled and color it as a huge international conspiracy. The people doing that are still in a pretty extreme minority, there aren't armies of Antifa or PC police in the hundreds of thousands who are about to come stealing your CD collection and destroying your speakers because you listen to bands with fascist lyrics lol


I'm pretty centrist in my ideologies, so I try to not sensationalize things. With that said, I think the influence of these fringe leftist groups is more powerful than you realize. And as I've articulated previously, the issue isn't that they are against Nazis (who the hell isn't?), it's that they are against anyone who doesn't fit their narrow-minded world view.


Quote of the century, especially here in the USA these days. I grew up in California and going to university there I felt like I had to hide the fact that I wasn't a lefty. Especially during the Trump years. People thought it was the end of the world and if you were even just slightly to the right of them, you were branded the enemy. That is why I was curious about the whole NSBM label. As far as I knew that movement sort of died off the same was the KKK did, but apparently it's alive and well which I don't understand. How can anyone be for such a lousy and awful movement? I mean there's conservative and then there's that crap, I'd argue the two aren't even in the same ballpark.

And I'd add that these left groups have more influence than people realize. I got to watch lefty groups at my university run off right winged groups, JEWISH groups (due to being anti-Palestinian) and anyone who they thought engaged in wrongthink and the school not only turned a blind eye to it, but a lot of people supported it. Hell they ACTUALLY rioted when conservative speakers tried to come on campus after being invited to speak.

Yet pussy grabber gets voted in


That's what happens when the DNC abandons the blue collar working class in favor of globalization.
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04.06.2019 - 20:31
Aries Rising

Written by Auntie Sahar on 03.06.2019 at 22:59

Nice to see this is turning into the "whining about politics" thread. It was probably destined to in the first place, so I shouldn't be surprised, but honestly I have little to no care whatsoever about most if not all of the points raised above. Carry on as you will.


Tends to happen with overtly political bands. I mean if RATM or SOAD put out a new album do you think that the comments would be discussing best omelet recipes?
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04.06.2019 - 21:13
Auntie Sahar
Drone Empress
Written by Aries Rising on 04.06.2019 at 20:31

Tends to happen with overtly political bands. I mean if RATM or SOAD put out a new album do you think that the comments would be discussing best omelet recipes?

Yes
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04.06.2019 - 21:23
Mercurial

Written by Aries Rising on 04.06.2019 at 20:31


Tends to happen with overtly political bands. I mean if SOAD put out a new album do you think that the comments would be discussing best omelet recipes?

Yeah, we'd be discussing what to put on the omelette. Probably pepperoni and green peppers, mushrooms, olives, chives.
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05.06.2019 - 17:31
Aries Rising

Written by Mercurial on 04.06.2019 at 21:23

Written by Aries Rising on 04.06.2019 at 20:31


Tends to happen with overtly political bands. I mean if SOAD put out a new album do you think that the comments would be discussing best omelet recipes?

Yeah, we'd be discussing what to put on the omelette. Probably pepperoni and green peppers, mushrooms, olives, chives.


Of course the correct answer is green chili.
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07.06.2019 - 09:51
Written by Lanthros on 26.05.2019 at 19:08

Written by RaduP on 26.05.2019 at 18:29

So much for a civilized discussion

Right wing nutjobs don't get civilized discussion. They forfeited that when they threw out facts and numbers for bigotry, rhetoric, and fantasy and fanatical sentimentalism.

Left wing nutjobs don't get civilized discussion. They forfeited that when they threw out facts and numbers for blind emotion, mass censorship, and violence.

See what I did there?

Written by Starvynth on 01.06.2019 at 14:05

To answer your question: NSBM is not dead at all, it's a very vivid and growing movement.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. The truth is that the number of actual fascists in the metal scene is so small that they're statistically insignificant. Even though there are 260 active NSBM bands, there are 128,951 total metal bands on Metal Archives. NSBM makes up less than half a percent of the entire metal scene.
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07.06.2019 - 13:36
Starvynth
i c deaf people
Written by Sans Skeleton on 07.06.2019 at 09:51

Left wing nutjobs don't get civilized discussion. They forfeited that when they threw out facts and numbers for blind emotion, mass censorship, and violence.

Written by Starvynth on 01.06.2019 at 14:05

To answer your question: NSBM is not dead at all, it's a very vivid and growing movement.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. The truth is that the number of actual fascists in the metal scene is so small that they're statistically insignificant. Even though there are 260 active NSBM bands, there are 128,951 total metal bands on Metal Archives. NSBM makes up less than half a percent of the entire metal scene.

So you are seriously complaining about "Left wing nutjobs ... threwing out facts and numbers" and all you can come up with is to muddle up and misinterpret given numbers so they will support your far-fetched arguments and comply with your preconceived opinion?

Quote:

Right now, Metal Archives has listed around 260 active NSBM bands

That's what I said and I was clearly referring to active (!) bands playing national socialism themed black metal but you are comparing this quantity with all bands, regardless of their genre (power metal, thrash, grindcore, whatever) and their status (disbanded, unknown, whatever)?
This thread is about black metal so what's the point of your random and arbitrary selection?


As of today, round about 200,000 jewish survivors of the Holocaust are still alive and today's world population was estimated to have reached 7.7 billion people as of April 2019.
According to your twisted logic, that's less than 0,0026%.
Hooray! So the Nazis did only imprison and torture a mere 0,0026% of the population?
That's statistically insignificant, right?

Nope. But your logic is plain wrong and absurd.


But okay, let's apply your rules...
Active black metal bands on Metal Archives: 20,220
NSBM bands: 523 + 71 = 594
=> 2,94%
So according to your logic, round about 3 out of 100 black metal bands are Nazi scumbags.
Still a molehill you say?

But I'm afraid we've still overlooked lots of them.
Check MA for some of of the most well-known and most popular, far-right representatives of black metal like Absurd, Grand Belial's Key and Peste Noire.
What a surprise! None of them is tagged "national socialism", just anti-semitism, nationalism and paganism. Even Absurd, Germany's most extreme NSBM band of all time, a convicted racial crime murderer, is tagged "germanic mythology" at worst. And according to Metal Archives, Peste "Aryan Supremacy" Noire's lyrical themes are desperation and ugliness. Yeah, sure...

Do you still believe in your "half a percent"?


Wait, I forgot to filter for racism, fascism, white pride and aryan pride. Shall we add those, too?
I mean, they're just racists and/or fascists but no NS, so they're probably nice, polite and friendly people...

And guess what, Metal Archives is not very accurate when it comes to lyrical themes.
Just a few examples of blatant NSBM acts that are still flying under MA's NS radar:
Nekrokrist SS ("Gas Chambers, Crematory and Hell")
Allfather-Odinn ("Racial Pride")
Stormfront 88 (88: abbreviation for HH = "Heil Hitler")
Тоталитар 88
88MM Metal Bullets ("Auschwitz Genocide")
Dreadmoon ("Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" -> slogan of Germany's Third Reich NS party)
...

That's yet not enough of NSBM for you?
Well, then go to this collection of filthy scumbag music and you will find a shitload of very obvious NSBM that MA doesn't know or that is being mislabeled over there.

Still not enough?
Then f#cking build your own NSBM band, choose a name that's not too obvious (Wide Bower 888, maybe?) and tell Metal Archives your lyrics are all about gardening and bees and flowers so you won't influence the site's percentage of featured NSBM.


But I'm really wondering about your intentions.
Why on earth should someone register on the site and waste his very first post to prove that he's not very adept at falsifying some simple numbers?
Did you misinterpret them purposely or can't you just do any better?

Yet I like your mountain and molehill phrase.
But please mind that the mole will never see the mountain, he won't even believe that mountains do exist.
Because he's just a small, blind, narrow-minded mammal, digging and living in the brown dirt every day.
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24.06.2019 - 08:19
Wow, Starvynth, I didn't expect you to act so histrionically towards my post. LOL. First you bring up the Holocaust as a blatant emotional appeal. Then you go and try to artificially inflate the number of Nazi metal bands that exist in the metal scene. Then you complain about how bands are mislabeled on Metal Archives. Yes, I'm sure you're the ultimate arbiter of which bands are "Nazis". It's not like bands such as Marduk and Taake were falsely accused of being Nazis or anything like that. You accuse me of falsifying numbers yet you're doing exactly that when you try to claim that there are way more Nazis in the metal scene than there actually are. Project much? You wonder about me, but I'm also wondering about you. It seems to me that you're one of those people who think there are Nazis around every corner. Quick question, do you check under your bed every night to make sure there are no Nazis hiding under there?
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28.06.2019 - 04:22
Starvynth
i c deaf people
Written by Sans Skeleton on 24.06.2019 at 08:19
You accuse me of falsifying numbers yet you're doing exactly that when you try to claim that there are way more Nazis in the metal scene than there actually are.


Can't you even see what I did?
I clearly said "But okay, let's apply your rules" and I did it in order to prove that your dubious calculation was plain absurd.
So you do not mind falsifying numbers as long as the result will please you but anyone not sharing your point of view is not allowed to calculate just like you did?

Thanks for falling into the very obvious trap. It's quite amusing that you didn't get it.

Written by Sans Skeleton on 24.06.2019 at 08:19

It's not like bands such as Marduk and Taake were falsely accused of being Nazis or anything like that.

So what?
Did I make those "false accusations"?

But it's funny that you're calling 260 active NSBM bands "statistically insignificant" and all you have are 2 victims of their own, homemade standing. According to your logic, that's not just insignificant, it's even too small to be measurable.

And it's interesting that you are siding with Taake's Hoest, one of the most blatant douchebags in the history of black metal...

Do you really think it is an excellent idea to draw swastikas on your chest just before your performance in front of 300 people?
And to do this in Germany, where any non-educational exposition of the swastika is forbidden by law?
Are you seriously taking up a position in favour of some idiot who displayed Nazi imagery just a few miles from a former SS concentration camp?
And would you call the owner of that particular club "Untermensch" (subhuman) like Hoest did, although the property owner had no opportunities other than to cancel the show due to A) Hoest's sheer stupidity and his behaviour of throwing bottles and spitting at people and B) the audience's heavy protest?

Above that, this poor sucker Hoest does still believe that he was the real victim. And that it was "...quite appropriate to remind our German audience of their biggest shame."
That statement alone is not only an insult to all Germans regardless of their political views, it's also a denigration of the Holocaust's victims.

Yet I do believe that whoever is accusing Taake or Marduk of hoisting the NSBM banner should once and for all cease from boycotting metal concerts, it's no use. These often blinded and misguided people are just boosting dichotomy within the metal scene, inciting extremism and dumb actions on either side of the spectrum.

But nevertheless, there's absolutely no reason to applaud Hoest. What he did was awfully silly and everything he ever said after the incident in Essen was nothing else but insults and whining.

So besides of his music, what has the convicted serial criminal Ørjan Stedjeberg done to deserve your loyal support?


Written by Sans Skeleton on 24.06.2019 at 08:19
First you bring up the Holocaust as a blatant emotional appeal.

Yes, because the Holocaust is an essential component of NSBM. Didn't you know that?
That's what it's all about and that's why it is despicable as per definition. It is an emotional matter because one can only condemn an ideology that is based on fascism, racism and genocide.
But denying the mere existence of NSBM or downplaying it by claiming it was "statistically insignificant" is no way of expressing dislike, but pure ignorance.
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14.01.2020 - 05:47
Rating: 2
Boxcar Willy
yr a kook
Written by Starvynth on 01.06.2019 at 14:05


Right now, Metal Archives has listed around 260 active NSBM bands


Not to restart this battle, but if you really look into this, you'll see that a lot of these bands have only 1-2 members, that also play in multiple other NSBM bands. So the numbers are skewed.


As for this album. Lame in every aspect, shocking. Anal Cunt did it 25 years ago, except they were actually funny, ie "Johnny Violent Getting His Ass Kicked By Morrissey"
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15.01.2020 - 02:55
Starvynth
i c deaf people
Written by Boxcar Willy on 14.01.2020 at 05:47

If you really look into this, you'll see that a lot of these bands have only 1-2 members, that also play in multiple other NSBM bands. So the numbers are skewed.

If you really look into the black metal scene, you'll see that Mayhem, Troll, Emperor, Fleurety, Immortal, Umoral, Mortem, Arcturus, Covenant and Dimmu Borgir are ten random Norwegian bm bands. I've been told that Hellhammer has played drums for each of them, but I'm still counting ten individual bands .
What's your result, now that the numbers are skewed? Seven?

An innumerable multitude of black metal artists with no ties to NS glorification is involved in several projects at the same time (Wrest, Thorns, Mories, each member of Mystískaos, each member of the Nusquama collective...) and the overlapping of line-ups is not at all restricted to NSBM.

"A lot of these bands have only 1-2 members" is no valid argument either, as one-man black metal band has already become a popular catchphrase whereas one-man NSBM projects are still a comparatively rare phenomenon.

So your thesis has neither any impact on the total quantity of NSBM bands nor on the percentage.

But you're totally right that the decisive actors of this particular scene are well networked. After all, it's a herd mentality thing.
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15.01.2020 - 06:40
Troy Killjoy
perfunctionist
Okay let's close this thread out with agreeing to disagree that Starvynth has effectively dismantled any counter-argument regarding the statistical significance of NSBM projects in the metal scene and if you feel or think differently than that, feel free to privately message him about it while keeping said private messaging civil.
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15.01.2020 - 15:02
Auntie Sahar
Drone Empress
People still going on this thread
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15.01.2020 - 17:19
Rating: 6
Karlabos
Meat and Potatos
Amazing heh?
Six months of discussion
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15.01.2020 - 17:32
Auntie Sahar
Drone Empress
Written by Karlabos on 15.01.2020 at 17:19

Amazing heh?
Six months of discussion

It's just incredible to me how long some people are willing to argue a point after the fact. I'm done chiming in my opinions in this discussion, if it keeps going on from here this is now just a popcorn thread for me.
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17.01.2020 - 22:36
The Witchfinder
Account deleted
Neckbeard Deathcamp doing their job well I see.
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