BetulaObscura
Posts: 165 From: Poland  |
Clearly, it was musical EP experiment - not "regular" LP release. It is closer to free jazz approach and improvisations in my opinion. Which is far away from classical metal approach. I can't imagine listen to it as a regular album, that's why I give this "album" only 1 (so far). I will listen it more in the future but I won't be surprised if I will never back to it again!
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RaduP CertifiedHipster
Posts: 5363 From: Romania  |
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Kinda feels bad that this is the first Furia album to get reviewed.
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nikarg Mod
Posts: 4139 From: Greece  |
nikargModPosts: 4139 From: Greece 
Written by BetulaObscura on 23.02.2021 at 09:25
Clearly, it was musical EP experiment - not "regular" LP release.
Yes, hopefully it is nothing more than that. But it is being promoted as LP and it has LP price. And it was recorded two years ago. After Martwa Polska Jesień they had releases every two years, sometimes more often even. There now has been a 5-year break and this is what comes out. I am quite pessimistic as to how inspired they are at the moment and I very much hope they prove me wrong.
Written by RaduP on 23.02.2021 at 10:32
Kinda feels bad that this is the first Furia album to get reviewed.
It does feel bad. They are top-tier black metal and I love all their previous work.
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Karlabos Weirdo of MS
Posts: 4863 From: Brazil  |
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Oh boy, when ppl shit on a previous solid band for being experimental it means it's probably good. Gotta check this one out
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DeliciousDishes annoying
Posts: 533 From: Germany  |
I really went into this expecting to kind of hate it, but was pleasantly surprised in the first song. Midway through I even really liked it. But at the end it gets ruined by obnoxious production changes. Also fuck, guys stop arguing in the background of this, I'm getting anxious. There's a really cool jammy drone record in here somewhere. But there's too much stuff that kinda sucks and the sudden changes in production are annoying as hell.
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BetulaObscura
Posts: 165 From: Poland  |
Written by RaduP on 23.02.2021 at 10:32
Kinda feels bad that this is the first Furia album to get reviewed.
I wrote first Furia review. I did it more than 3 years ago...
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RaduP CertifiedHipster
Posts: 5363 From: Romania  |
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Written by BetulaObscura on 23.02.2021 at 20:51
I wrote first Furia review. I did it more than 3 years ago...
My bad, was only looking at staff reviews.
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BetulaObscura
Posts: 165 From: Poland  |
Written by RaduP on 23.02.2021 at 20:59
Written by BetulaObscura on 23.02.2021 at 20:51
I wrote first Furia review. I did it more than 3 years ago...
My bad, was only looking at staff reviews.
No worries!
Cheers!
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Andrew_Deer None,really
Posts: 42 From: Czech Republic  |
Is the rating fair though? I guess it's quite hard to get a full picture when you don't speak the language.
Also, what is the perspective you give the rating from? Like from general black metal music? Shouldn't give the 'experimental' tag give it some sort of leverage? I mean, I actually like it but I am not listening to it as black metal.
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RaduP CertifiedHipster
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Written by Andrew_Deer on 23.02.2021 at 21:44
Is the rating fair though? I guess it's quite hard to get a full picture when you don't speak the language.
Also, what is the perspective you give the rating from? Like from general black metal music? Shouldn't give the 'experimental' tag give it some sort of leverage? I mean, I actually like it but I am not listening to it as black metal.
As someone who agrees with the rating: I came already expecting something really out-there. It isn't a 3/10 because it's not black metal. It's a 3/10 because the experiment really didn't go anywhere. Kinda like Lulu, except Lulu had its moments.
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nikarg Mod
Posts: 4139 From: Greece  |
nikargModPosts: 4139 From: Greece 
Written by Andrew_Deer on 23.02.2021 at 21:44
Is the rating fair though? I guess it's quite hard to get a full picture when you don't speak the language.
Also, what is the perspective you give the rating from? Like from general black metal music? Shouldn't give the 'experimental' tag give it some sort of leverage? I mean, I actually like it but I am not listening to it as black metal.
The rating is fair because this is a very bad release. What the actors say in Polish shouldn't really matter since this is not a visual release but a "music" album. The gist of what they say is in the press release excerpt that I quoted in the review anyway. If the music takes up less than a third of the total runtime and if the best of this music has actually already appeared in a previous album, there is not much to discuss. The perspective of the rating has been explained in detail in the review, I don't want to repeat myself. And no, I am not judging it from a general black metal perspective. Furia have been experimental in the past and being experimental is not a problem at all. But a turd is a turd, labelling it 'experimental' does not make it any less of a turd.
I am pleased you like it though, I really am. But I would also be interested to know how many total plays it will have gotten by you come the end of the year. Because, at the end of the day, the rating should reflect the replay value somehow, shouldn't it?
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UnknownCheese
Posts: 168 From: Canada
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I've seen a few people talk about context in regards to the poor reception this is getting. I'm not interested in whether or not I can understand the Polish or not (they're singing total nonsense from what I've seen from Polish forum users), it's just bad music. Nothing about this makes me want to sit through this again.
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BetulaObscura
Posts: 165 From: Poland  |
Written by UnknownCheese on 24.02.2021 at 03:15
I've seen a few people talk about context in regards to the poor reception this is getting. I'm not interested in whether or not I can understand the Polish or not (they're singing total nonsense from what I've seen from Polish forum users), it's just bad music. Nothing about this makes me want to sit through this again.
Furia doesn't sing "nonsense" on previous albums. This is poetry and it is quite good (to say the least) poetry. Some Polish forum users have problems with basic lectures so i am not surprised they don't get something metaphoric.
Knowing Polish is not necessarily to enjoy Furia music though. Sure, it can elevate whole music experience like every good lyrics does.
Regardless, call that thing an "album" is an abuse. This is just background random sounds... I am very disappointed!
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Andrew_Deer None,really
Posts: 42 From: Czech Republic  |
Written by nikarg on 24.02.2021 at 02:22
The rating is fair because this is a very bad release. What the actors say in Polish shouldn't really matter since this is not a visual release but a "music" album. The gist of what they say is in the press release excerpt that I quoted in the review anyway. If the music takes up less than a third of the total runtime and if the best of this music has actually already appeared in a previous album, there is not much to discuss. The perspective of the rating has been explained in detail in the review, I don't want to repeat myself. And no, I am not judging it from a general black metal perspective. Furia have been experimental in the past and being experimental is not a problem at all. But a turd is a turd, labelling it 'experimental' does not make it any less of a turd.
I am pleased you like it though, I really am. But I would also be interested to know how many total plays it will have gotten by you come the end of the year. Because, at the end of the day, the rating should reflect the replay value somehow, shouldn't it?
Well, spoken word isn't a visual aspect but I guess I understand what you mean. I guess another differnce in the reception might be that I wasn't expecting this album, so talks about "a new album" didn't really get to me, I just saw a new Furia release and thought "what a coincidence" since I started with this whole Polish BM Wave 3 months ago or so...
Sure, it's going to be featured in my general shuffled playlist but I think (compared to most of other music there) it won't be skipped. The replayability argument is fair though, it wasn't really something I considered myself (which I clearly should have), but to me a lot of music has very simillar (dronesque) features but is rated generally better, like Boris or Sunn O))). Also, a lot of it comes down to the quality of production (for me, that is) which Furia certainly has, I therefore understand jumps in production as some sort of artistic expression, otherwise they probably wouldn't be there.
Written by RaduP on 23.02.2021 at 23:04
As someone who agrees with the rating: I came already expecting something really out-there. It isn't a 3/10 because it's not black metal. It's a 3/10 because the experiment really didn't go anywhere. Kinda like Lulu, except Lulu had its moments.
I am sorry to hear that. I like this much more than Metallica with orchestra. But then again, my only favourite album by Metallica is St. Anger, therefore I guess my argument is invalid automatically.
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I must agree with BetulaObscura there as our native language educations are quite simillar and we are not really getting educated in interpretation of art.
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Archie 666
Posts: 134 From: UK  |
I find it funny that in the context of the comments above one of the styles in the description of this album is a 'musical drama'.
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DeliciousDishes annoying
Posts: 533 From: Germany  |
Written by Andrew_Deer on 23.02.2021 at 21:44
Is the rating fair though? I guess it's quite hard to get a full picture when you don't speak the language.
Also, what is the perspective you give the rating from? Like from general black metal music? Shouldn't give the 'experimental' tag give it some sort of leverage? I mean, I actually like it but I am not listening to it as black metal.
well you now discovered the inherent problem with ratings, they're shorthand but always require a very detailed explanation to be useful.
I don't think many people approach this through a black metal lense (partially cause Furia's brand of black metal wasn't really that traditional anyways). I don't like giving ratings but the explanation makes it fair enough: this tried and utterly failed at being experimental and just kinda seems lazy. Of course knowing the language might elevate it, but even if I did understand this and it was some Faust level poetry going on in it, I doubt I would enjoy it simply due to how it is handled on a technical level.
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