23:20 - Lit. Ihsahn doesn't do much better. Drumming really sucks, too. Painfully meh song.
23:08 - .starrk @Unhealer: except for the fact that Serj completely ruined the song >_> Ihsahn's voice fits perfectly, then you have Serj's abomination hastily thrown in
22:56 - Jiri jrir is carlelkessly tyling to emul[atge ba dendlgish.
Here's a list of mostly Gothic Metal albums, exclusively of the "Beauty and the Beast" type (which refers to clean "angelic" female vocals contrasted with male growls/screams). I made this list because it's one of my all-time favourite subgenres of which I own "a lot" of great albums. Since there are several lists of the best Gothic Metal albums on MS, I didn't feel like creating a similar one, but rather an exclusive list solely comprised of this subgenre. It could be useful as a guide for people who are searching for these kinds of albums, though I'm very open to suggestions since I obviously haven't heard all great albums yet. Lastly, everything on this list is at least worth a 7.5/10 rating and I only add a maximum of 3 albums per band.
Cool idea for a list, I know I've "surfed" this topic before and not had much luck. Darzamat's album "Solfernus' Path" has some cool Beauty/Beast vocal combinations, as well as some really good music. Might fit your list, but it's one of those releases that encompasses many genres, goth, black, heavy and doom.
Interesting list, Draven's suggestion of Darzamat is a good one and also check out the band Via Mistica. They are very influenced by the early doom era of Theatre of Tragedy. Leaves' Eyes is also one for the list, although not completely gothic, they work. Check their debut 'Lovelorn' too.
Cool idea for a list, I know I've "surfed" this topic before and not had much luck. Darzamat's album "Solfernus' Path" has some cool Beauty/Beast vocal combinations, as well as some really good music. Might fit your list, but it's one of those releases that encompasses many genres, goth, black, heavy and doom.
Thanks (for the +1)! I just listened to the album and while I liked it, I'm not sure whether it's the right album for this list. Funny MS has labeled them as "gothic metal", while it's definitely not gothic metal. It just has gothic influences if you ask me. I'll re-listen to it tomorrow and then decide if I add it or not.
Widow's Weeds... does that album kill or what?
Nice list. I think I'll revisit my gothic past again and pick up some unknown ones along the way.
Yeah, I just had to put Widows Weeds at #1, since it's probably the best damn album in this genre that I've heard (and it was one of the first albums too, as I bought it about 8 years ago or so). Lake of Sorrow blew me away just months back and is so amazing it's at #2 right now.
Anyway, thanks for the +1. Be sure to come back and give me suggestions, as the list doesn't feel complete right now.
Interesting list, Draven's suggestion of Darzamat is a good one and also check out the band Via Mistica. They are very influenced by the early doom era of Theatre of Tragedy. Leaves' Eyes is also one for the list, although not completely gothic, they work. Check their debut 'Lovelorn' too.
Thank you too.
As I said, I'm not sure if Darzamat's album fits this list. I'll check out your suggestions and come back if you have more worthy candidates!
Beauty and a beast you say?with angelic women and screams you say?gothic atmosphere you say ? well that sounds like some kick ass dungeon S&M porno tittle
nice list man btw...
Beauty and a beast you say?with angelic women and screams you say?gothic atmosphere you say ? well that sounds like some kick ass dungeon S&M porno tittle
nice list man btw...
Haha, thanks. Doesn't sounds half-bad now, does it? If you have any suggestions to improve the list, let me know.
"Beauty and the beast"-style of gothic metal was actually what got me into metal in the first place and it is still one of my favorite subgenres.
Here are some suggestions of bands and their best album in my opinion which are not on your list:
Trail of Tears - A New Dimension of Might
Lycanthia - Oligarchy
Evig Natt - I Am Silence
Autumn - When Lust Evokes the Curse
Mandrake - Innocence Weakness
Galadriel - The Mirror of Ages
Myriads - In Spheres Without Time (not featured of Metal Storm but still a great band)
To me Theatre Of Tragedy's second album owns everything. But that's just me.
Also, since we are just talking about that particular style of vocals and not exclusively of gothic metal, maybe Unholy - Gracefallen could work here? I dunno...
"Beauty and the beast"-style of gothic metal was actually what got me into metal in the first place and it is still one of my favorite subgenres.
Here are some suggestions of bands and their best album in my opinion which are not on your list:
Trail of Tears - A New Dimension of Might
Lycanthia - Oligarchy
Evig Natt - I Am Silence
Autumn - When Lust Evokes the Curse
Mandrake - Innocence Weakness
Galadriel - The Mirror of Ages
Myriads - In Spheres Without Time (not featured of Metal Storm but still a great band)
Opeth is what got me into metal if I remember correctly, but not long after Opeth I discovered Tristania. Anyway, I've heard of a few of those, but haven't listened to any of them! Since there are a lot of suggestions all of a sudden I'll take the time to listen to them and then I might add them.
Have you tried Requiem-Fortissimo by Virgin Black or Enter by Within Temptation?
I only heard Virgin Black's debut, but keep in mind I only add "beauty and the beast" albums, since that's what this list is all about. As far as I know Within Temptation never was "beauty and the beast" metal (as there are no male vocals).
To me Theatre Of Tragedy's second album owns everything. But that's just me.
Also, since we are just talking about that particular style of vocals and not exclusively of gothic metal, maybe Unholy - Gracefallen could work here? I dunno...
I must admit I still haven't listened to "Velvet Darkness" enough to form a final decision, as I have still yet to buy it (which I'm going to do this month )... so that being said, it could be ranked higher than it is now. Also, keep in mind pretty much every album is 9/10 or 10/10 material for me, except for the last few albums. Adding ratings could be a good idea, but then again, I did that with my other list too and I just couldn't keep up since I need to hear every album at least 3-5 times before rating it. And you're right, it's not exclusively gothic metal, but these kind of vocals are found most of the time in (symphonic) gothic metal. I didn't know Unholy had female vocals until now, so I'll be sure to check them out.
I decided to change the list a bit by NOT ranking them anymore. It's just too hard to me to decide how they should be ranked, while it's easier for me to rate them, hence why I just added ratings. That way, you can get a good idea of how great the albums are on this list, although it's just my opinion. Few albums really deserve a 10, so those are pretty rare. I'll add the best songs per album soon, when I have the time to do so.
Oh, and I added Darzamat's album... although it's not typically this genre, it does still qualify for this list I think.
Have you tried Requiem-Fortissimo by Virgin Black or Enter by Within Temptation?
I only heard Virgin Black's debut, but keep in mind I only add "beauty and the beast" albums, since that's what this list is all about. As far as I know Within Temptation never was "beauty and the beast" metal (as there are no male vocals).
Both albums are male growled/female sang vocals (about 50/50 and 40/60 split respectivly). Virgin Black used a soprano on their Requiem albums to share the vocals, and London dropped his singing voice completly on Fortissimo in favor of a deep growl.
Westerholt did about 40% of the vocals on Within Temptation's first album (Enter), all growled. They dropped this formula on all subsequent releases (save a bonus track on Silent Force).
None of the other works of these bands qualify, though.
You need the first two albums from Orphanage on there. Without them there wouldn't be After Forever and Epica and Within Temptation's debut
But like MC Vice said Enter by WT does have harsh vocals on it, courtesy of Robert Westerholt (not to be mistaken with Martij Westerholt )
Written by E.Mols86 on 14.03.2013 at 22:05 I didn't know Unholy had female vocals until now, so I'll be sure to check them out.
If memory serves me right, they started with the third album but it doesn't have that much tbh, just a few passages but with their fourth (and last) album the female vocals are very dominant.
First of all, since this list is somehow really popular (a lot of views, not thumbs up ) I started listening like a madman to a lot of the suggested albums and added 10 new ones (weirdly enough, I honestly liked every single album I checked out), thus improving the list greatly! However, keep in mind I'll add the ratings once I heard every album enough (3 times usually, so it could take some time)... and I do not rate albums carelessly!
Interesting list, Draven's suggestion of Darzamat is a good one and also check out the band Via Mistica. They are very influenced by the early doom era of Theatre of Tragedy. Leaves' Eyes is also one for the list, although not completely gothic, they work. Check their debut 'Lovelorn' too.
Couldn't find Via Mistica, but I did add Leaves' Eyes' debut! Definitely liked the sound of that one.
Check out "In Memory Of..." by the band "To Cast A Shadow" . Also I don't know if Lacrimosa counts but listen to their high-rated albums anyway .
Added the debut of To Cast A Shadow, that's some good stuff indeed! I listened a bit to Stille by Lacrimosa, but (correct me if I'm wrong) there aren't harsh vocals to be found, thus they don't qualify... do they have an album with grunts?
"Beauty and the beast"-style of gothic metal was actually what got me into metal in the first place and it is still one of my favorite subgenres.
Here are some suggestions of bands and their best album in my opinion which are not on your list:
Trail of Tears - A New Dimension of Might
Lycanthia - Oligarchy
Evig Natt - I Am Silence
Autumn - When Lust Evokes the Curse
Mandrake - Innocence Weakness
Galadriel - The Mirror of Ages
Myriads - In Spheres Without Time (not featured of Metal Storm but still a great band)
I added a few of those (all sounded very good to me), but I had trouble finding the ones I didn't add. I just keep looking for them, hehe.
Both albums are male growled/female sang vocals (about 50/50 and 40/60 split respectivly). Virgin Black used a soprano on their Requiem albums to share the vocals, and London dropped his singing voice completly on Fortissimo in favor of a deep growl.
Westerholt did about 40% of the vocals on Within Temptation's first album (Enter), all growled. They dropped this formula on all subsequent releases (save a bonus track on Silent Force).
None of the other works of these bands qualify, though.
Thanks for the info. Added both albums! I especially liked Enter a lot, can't believe it's really Within Temptation I'm listening to (their other albums are very different, although I haven't heard all of them).
Yeah my first thought when reading the thread title was "Velvet Darkness They Fear". I'll never forget that album
Haven't listened to this genre in ages though, cheers
That album certainly is amazing. At this very moment, my absolute favourite album on this list is Lake Of Sorrow by The Sins Of Thy Beloved, a true masterpiece. So listen to that if you want to listen to this genre again.
You need the first two albums from Orphanage on there. Without them there wouldn't be After Forever and Epica and Within Temptation's debut
But like MC Vice said Enter by WT does have harsh vocals on it, courtesy of Robert Westerholt (not to be mistaken with Martij Westerholt )
Like a lot of other suggestions I couldn't find full albums of Orphanage! Any ideas where to listen to it?
If memory serves me right, they started with the third album but it doesn't have that much tbh, just a few passages but with their fourth (and last) album the female vocals are very dominant.
Fantastic albums (and band).
Really liked their style, so I went ahead and added them too. The list was too damn short, so I took care of that now.
Holy f*cking shit man... I gotta give it to you, while this album isn't typically "beauty and the beast", it's pretty much the only suggestion I added that totally blew me away. This could be a potential masterpiece for me I think.
Great list, I see we have a similar taste
I also have a suggestion, Diabulus In Musica - The Wanderer. It's not strictly Gothic Metal, more like Symphonic, but the dual vocals are there. Very similar to Epica.
Off their 2nd album 'Fallen Angels', check out their other albums too. They are perfect for this list.
I'll try to find their albums. You're right by the way, I listened to the song and this indeed needs to be on this list, pretty good stuff. I hate having trouble finding music. Why isn't this on Youtube (and then I'm talking about full albums, not seperate songs).
Great list, I see we have a similar taste
I also have a suggestion, Diabulus In Musica - The Wanderer. It's not strictly Gothic Metal, more like Symphonic, but the dual vocals are there. Very similar to Epica.
Thanks!
I'm going to listen to it soon and if I like it enough I'll add it to the list.
Are there any bands that use a reverse of the beauty and beast vocals? Harsh female and clean male, I mean. Gossow/Kiske for example.
I'm not sure, but I don't think I'm going to add music like that, since I don't like Arch Enemy anymore. And the beauty must be a female after all. I did add your suggestions though.
Would that make Kiske the beauty and Gossow the beast? That would actually make sense, since Kiske is clearly more beautiful.
Haha, I wouldn't say that, though I think Gossow is very unattractive nonetheless. As a guy, you don't really want a women to be physically (in brute strength that is) superior, am I right?
Great list, I see we have a similar taste
I also have a suggestion, Diabulus In Musica - The Wanderer. It's not strictly Gothic Metal, more like Symphonic, but the dual vocals are there. Very similar to Epica.
Okay, I listened to it and added Epica's debut... wait, I mean Diabulus In Musica's debut. It just feels I was listening to Epica, hahaha. I didn't add their second album because I couldn't find it as easily as their debut.
Are there any bands that use a reverse of the beauty and beast vocals? Harsh female and clean male, I mean. Gossow/Kiske for example.
I'm not sure, but I don't think I'm going to add music like that, since I don't like Arch Enemy anymore. And the beauty must be a female after all. I did add your suggestions though.
I meant does anybody know of any bands that do that.
Are there any bands that use a reverse of the beauty and beast vocals? Harsh female and clean male, I mean. Gossow/Kiske for example.
I'm not sure, but I don't think I'm going to add music like that, since I don't like Arch Enemy anymore. And the beauty must be a female after all. I did add your suggestions though.
I meant does anybody know of any bands that do that.
I don't know any bands, just one song: Amaseffer - Midian. There Angela Gossow growls with Mats Levén (clean singing) and some folk singer guy.
This combination would be interesting, for sure
edit: fuck, the audio stops in the middle of this video. anyway, this song is a good example, maybe you can find it somewhere else.
In the list are my favorite albums, although I would put "The Wanderer" of Diabulus In Musica. Also "Myths And Legends" Tears Of Magdalena.
Thanks for the suggestions. I was about to check out The Wanderer since someone else who commented here suggested it, but I have never heard of Tears Of Magdalena, but I'll check both of them out.
Edit: I have added your suggestions, since they fit this list perfectly and I really liked both of them.
Not to be a bitch here, but I don't see the point of adding genres to the albums. Anyone could just click the bands/albums to find out and nearly all/most of them are 'gothic' anyway. On a positive note, I can see a few new bands here that I might check out .
Not to be a bitch here, but I don't see the point of adding genres to the albums. Anyone could just click the bands/albums to find out and nearly all/most of them are 'gothic' anyway. On a positive note, I can see a few new bands here that I might check out .
I actually agree with you. When I was adding them yesterday I had the same feeling and thought "what the hell, I'll just finish this now that I'm at it anyway". Yes, most of them are symphonic/gothic combined with doom, though a few albums are actually partly death or black too. But then again, why add ratings if one could easily click on the album to find out the rating? Obviously the rating would be my opinion, but they're highly subjective so more votes means basically a more reliable rating.
First I ordered the albums, then added ratings and now they're without ratings ordered alphabetically... with genres... which I might remove again. Maybe I should just delete this list?
Not to be a bitch here, but I don't see the point of adding genres to the albums. Anyone could just click the bands/albums to find out and nearly all/most of them are 'gothic' anyway. On a positive note, I can see a few new bands here that I might check out .
I actually agree with you. When I was adding them yesterday I had the same feeling and thought "what the hell, I'll just finish this now that I'm at it anyway". Yes, most of them are symphonic/gothic combined with doom, though a few albums are actually partly death or black too. But then again, why add ratings if one could easily click on the album to find out the rating? Obviously the rating would be my opinion, but they're highly subjective so more votes means basically a more reliable rating.
First I ordered the albums, then added ratings and now they're without ratings ordered alphabetically... with genres... which I might remove again. Maybe I should just delete this list?
It is quite hard getting a list to look and easier for others to get interested. I would go against deleting the list as you've got alot of thumbs up and comments .
It is quite hard getting a list to look and easier for others to get interested. I would go against deleting the list as you've got alot of thumbs up and comments .
I'm actually satisfied with my other lists (especially my top 50 and debut albums ones) though not with this one. When I made this list I was listening a lot to these albums but now I'm not anymore, hence why I cannot rate/order the albums on this list like I wanted to do in the first place. Ah well, I'm sure I'll be in the mood again in the near future and then I'll just update the list. Although I wouldn't call 10 thumbs up "a lot". Let me know if there are any essential albums not on the list yet (though I highly doubt there are a lot of those left).
This Theatre Of Tragedy -Theatre Of Tragedy should be the first on the list if you ask me but why?The music, the atmosphere, the vocals,both female and male,the type of lyrical theme they used, the language they presented the lyrics with it,all and all are unique, then would be Lake of Sorrow in the second place
This Theatre Of Tragedy -Theatre Of Tragedy should be the first on the list if you ask me but why?The music, the atmosphere, the vocals,both female and male,the type of lyrical theme they used, the language they presented the lyrics with it,all and all are unique, then would be Lake of Sorrow in the second place
I decided to keep Lake of Sorrow at #1 for now, because people need to learn how brilliant that album is (but I also think it deserves to be #1, tied with Widow's Weeds).
Thanks for the +1 by the way. I don't agree with ToT's debut being THAT good to be honest (I promoted it on the list though). I still think Velvet Darkness They Fear is the better album of the two. Aegis comes 3rd for me, because it's way too soft for my taste. I enjoyed that one immensely the first couple of times, although I quickly grew bored of it and now I never really listen to it anymore.
The reasons you mention are good ones, although I think Velvet Darkness They Fear is superior when it comes to lyrics. The obvious example is the song "And When He Falleth", with a very interesting piece of dialogue. Enjoy that one a lot, but the best thing about that album for me remains the intro and the second song. Brilliantly done if you ask me. The only downside to the album is the last song. While it's a great song, it's not a very good closer.
You might wanna check Matriarch -Revered Unto Ages
for me it is a interesting mix of 3 types of female vocals-beast-ish growls,hysteric shrieks and a operatic vocals ...unique at least ...
You might wanna check Matriarch -Revered Unto Ages
for me it is a interesting mix of 3 types of female vocals-beast-ish growls,hysteric shrieks and a operatic vocals ...unique at least ...
Thanks for the recommendation, but I won't add it to this list because this band isn't featured on MS. I'll still check it out though.
You might wanna check Matriarch -Revered Unto Ages
for me it is a interesting mix of 3 types of female vocals-beast-ish growls,hysteric shrieks and a operatic vocals ...unique at least ...
Thanks for the recommendation, but I won't add it to this list because this band isn't featured on MS. I'll still check it out though.
i just want to recommend you some music,i dont care if it land on list
It just has gothic influences if you ask me. I'll re-listen to it tomorrow and then decide if I add it or not.
)... so that being said, it could be ranked higher than it is now. Also, keep in mind pretty much every album is 9/10 or 10/10 material for me, except for the last few albums. Adding ratings could be a good idea, but then again, I did that with my other list too and I just couldn't keep up since I need to hear every album at least 3-5 times before rating it. And you're right, it's not exclusively gothic metal, but these kind of vocals are found most of the time in (symphonic) gothic metal. I didn't know Unholy had female vocals until now, so I'll be sure to check them out. 
) I started listening like a madman 
to a lot of the suggested albums and added 10 new ones (weirdly enough, I honestly liked every single album I checked out), thus improving the list greatly! 
Any ideas where to listen to it?
Why isn't this on Youtube (and then I'm talking about full albums, not seperate songs).
As a guy, you don't really want a women to be physically (in brute strength that is) superior, am I right? 
